Hydro and the DEA...read this hydro growers

[latewood]

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-09,GGLG:en&q=advanced+nutrients+and+the+D%2EE%2EA%2E

This is some info sent to me because I use Advanced nutrients...don't worry, It was from a bro, at seedbankdot
...lw

[Zandor]

is that not about a year old?

You think they are starting up again? Is that what you are thinking?

Thanks for the link bro.

[latewood]

I don't know...I was mentoring a aspiring grower at seeddot, mentioned AdvNutes and another member sent me this. I thought I would share and perhaps the more heads looking, will find out more info...Peace

[sabre71]

i remember that from the 80's the dea was rumored to be in the worms way store where i live to this day i never been to that store lol

[Aaron385]

I always wondered about this.. and why whenever I go to my local hydro store if there are any other people in the store they are 20 something year old dudes buying everything by the gallon and paying with cash... hehe...

Also thinking the subscription to the Growing Edge I just got may have been a bad idea! haha.. oh well.. I only have veggies growing now but I know if they knock my door down and all they find is my veggie (yes real vegitables) garden they will look around untill they find something to arrest me for.. whether it is a few mp3s on my computer that i cant find the original cd to.. or who knows what. I know from the minute a judge signs the search warrent no matter how innocent I am I am going to jail and that is how it works.

The only thing that is different now is that I was smart enough to put away enough money for a good lawyer when I need one.

[crazywill]

The more I read about the dea and what they are trying to do in canada and all over the world blows me away.The usa needs to get there nose out of everybody ass and go after the really well you know what I am saying.

[PigSnout]

The more I read about the dea and what they are trying to do in canada and all over the world blows me away.The usa needs to get there nose out of everybody ass and go after the really well you know what I am saying.

You're out of line, the DEA does not represent the USA.

[PigSnout]

Tons of people in America dislike the DEA for the way they operate at times and the way they go after MJ users.

[Aaron385]

yes... their group think mentality leads to many innocent people getting hurt.

[Dutch Masta]

Tons of people in America dislike the DEA for the way they operate at times and the way they go after MJ users.

The DEA aren't the ones just going out and busting random people though. The cops take care of that, which are the real problem. Cops have no choice but to penalize the drug USERS since there is no line between a user and a dealer that they have to go by. Thats the whole problem with it, the current regulation plan envolves criminalizing the people dealing it, but there is no real differentiation line they have to go by, so thats why we have a problem with it..

But some states are already effectively apporaching the situation by simply having a lenient legislation over the use of the plant, but a heavier penalty over the large scale dealing and cultivation, as well as heavy penalties for other drugs. This is sucessful, as it not only helps seperate the simply, harmless activity of smoking weed with not only the larger scale dealing of it, but also reduces potential progression to harder drug use. New York City and Denver currently run it like this, and anyone who comes from a place with a legistlation like this, with only $100 fines for up to 25 grams posession, knows it is an effective way in regulating Marijuana. Its just a matter of time until this is finally understood by everyone.

[latewood]

I have recently been able to openly discuss this issue with a highly reputable hydroponics ditributor. I gained the following knowledge on the topic: although not widespread...There are some, if not several, online hydroshops, and even some local, I guess...but, several online hydro shops that are set-up by individuals that took a chance being in the hydro business and grew Pot; And, got busted...so there are currently, some shops out there to be wary of.
here are a couple guidelines that I feel will help you if you buy online. I do once in a while, but now I have a distributor that I deal with exclusively.

1. do some research and find a reputable hydro supplier. I recommend a "real" store, not a shop that is merely an online business. A real store on the street somewhere. Leo is not sitting across the street from your local hydro dealer, unless he grew/grows pot and got busted or is under investigation.
2. don't ever mention what you are doing...they know, basically. If you have to ask for info...do so in a general manner. 2 important things to know is. a}most veggies do not require change of photoperiod in order to produce fruit...So, don't ask about when to change the photoperiod, or anything along those lines. And remember. tomatoes, peppers and cucumbers are all grown using similar methods to those used in the cultivation of mmj.
b}they will cut you off, if you make your illegal intention's known...that denotes conspiracy and put's their business in jeopardy...

I have some more to say on the subject, but my short term memory forgot...peace talk at ya' later.

[Harry Pot Head]

You're out of line, the DEA does not represent the USA.



Not sure i understand what your saying here .... They were born in the US

Read this http://www.druglibrary.org/SCHAFFER/dea/pubs/briefing/1_2.htm

Or this

http://www.druglibrary.org/SCHAFFER/History/aof/index.html

You may consider them not representing you but. There a US group that likes to throw its weight around in other countrys like Canada and should butt out and deal with the US problems.

Let others deal with theres how they wish.
One of the reasons Canada is not scraping its pot laws at the momenet is US Goverment influence and our Goverment will not give them the finger. Because of trade ect.

What they realy fear is if Pot was taken off the books there jobs would be taken away so they got to keep the busting grow ops.

there are worse drugs out there Crack / Meth ect but you dont hear many of those labs being busted.

There is a ugly side and a good side of the US. I have known many good people in the US.

The DEA is on the ugly side. There actions do represent the US in there war on drugs and trying to extradite Mark Emery from BC.
So they can charge him in the US. and he did everything on Canadian soil thats when there out of bounds.

The RCMP should not have worked with them.

There is a lot of stuff I don't know what happened here but I think the bottom line is they want him in the US because the penatys for pot is severe.

were we just for the most part is hand out slaps on the wrist and the DEA are fearing we may decrimalize it and were already alowing it for a drug to help people with some medical needs. Even though the forms are overly long and the goverment pot sucks.:o

All I can say now is if you don't like what the DEA is doing for your country is to complain to your senetor or congressman.

Because there what people see the good the bad and the ugly sides. Start cutting out the bad (ATF) and the ugly (DEA) and then people will always see the good in the US :D

Sorry if this turned into a rant :stoned:

[Buffalo Bill]

There exists an ugly side and a purrty side with ALL countries. The DEA is an american organization, but in no way represent the majority of the US's opinions when it comes to mj, expecially medical mj. The AARP, which i am a member of leans towards legalizing mj for medicinal purposes. It is the most powerful lobbiest group in D.C. The pharmacueticals are the second most powerful lobbiest group. Medical mj is not even near the top of the AARP priortiy list. Medical mj is near the top of the pharm's list! Plain and simple, the pharms do not want it legalized because they are not able to pin down the dosage or even come close..... Difficult to do due to the varying degrees of potency that different strains/types offer. Sativex and marinol have failed miserably and I am unsure if the FDA will ever approve anything that involves smoking/vaping. We could see uniform caps made ala Celebrex where each cap hold sthe same exact dosage. That would be my most logical guess for the future of medical mj....
wormsway, mdhydroponic, ebay and paypal are the most often mentioned businesses that have given up names to the DEA, when they got pressured with being shut down.

[latewood]

Not sure i understand what your saying here .... They were born in the US

Read this http://www.druglibrary.org/SCHAFFER/dea/pubs/briefing/1_2.htm

Or this

http://www.druglibrary.org/SCHAFFER/History/aof/index.html

You may consider them not representing you but. There a US group that likes to throw its weight around in other countrys like Canada and should butt out and deal with the US problems.

Let others deal with theres how they wish.
One of the reasons Canada is not scraping its pot laws at the momenet is US Goverment influence and our Goverment will not give them the finger. Because of trade ect.

What they realy fear is if Pot was taken off the books there jobs would be taken away so they got to keep the busting grow ops.

there are worse drugs out there Crack / Meth ect but you dont hear many of those labs being busted.

There is a ugly side and a good side of the US. I have known many good people in the US.

The DEA is on the ugly side. There actions do represent the US in there war on drugs and trying to extradite Mark Emery from BC.
So they can charge him in the US. and he did everything on Canadian soil thats when there out of bounds.

The RCMP should not have worked with them.

There is a lot of stuff I don't know what happened here but I think the bottom line is they want him in the US because the penatys for pot is severe.

were we just for the most part is hand out slaps on the wrist and the DEA are fearing we may decrimalize it and were already alowing it for a drug to help people with some medical needs. Even though the forms are overly long and the goverment pot sucks.:o

All I can say now is if you don't like what the DEA is doing for your country is to complain to your senetor or congressman.

Because there what people see the good the bad and the ugly sides. Start cutting out the bad (ATF) and the ugly (DEA) and then people will always see the good in the US :D

Sorry if this turned into a rant :stoned:I hate to tell you, but it was your last election's that turned everything upside down...I have friends in the business, and they all tell me your problem's in cancan is from your new representative's.

Don't generalize The U.S. as DEA...the majority...about 65% of American's; If given the choice to change legislation would do so, immediately. We don't have control over the government any more than you do. So stick that in your pipe and smoke...Don't come around here with Anti-American rhetoric.
We don't want the War...We don't want the DEA...Most American's would like to see a popular vote as opposed to the electoral college.

Geez, It pisses me off when one of you foreigners start harping on the U.S. Governments are the problem...Don't generalize people. If the U.S. had so much power over Your country...then there would not be any coffee shops to sit in, smoking POT, while watching the RCMP bust Marc Emery!!!:smokin:

[Harry Pot Head]

I hate to tell you, but it was your last election's that turned everything upside down...I have friends in the business, and they all tell me your problem's in cancan is from your new representative's.

Don't generalize The U.S. as DEA...the majority...about 65% of American's; If given the choice to change legislation would do so, immediately. We don't have control over the government any more than you do. So stick that in your pipe and smoke...Don't come around here with Anti-American rhetoric.
We don't want the War...We don't want the DEA...Most American's would like to see a popular vote as opposed to the electoral college.

Geez, It pisses me off when one of you foreigners start harping on the U.S. Governments are the problem...Don't generalize people. If the U.S. had so much power over Your country...then there would not be any coffee shops to sit in, smoking POT, while watching the RCMP bust Marc Emery!!!:smokin:


To true but if you think about it I was not being anti US I know there are a lot of good people there. yes our goverment is weak I would agree. But there are to many closed door meething between world goverments.

I would not blame the US for our Trigger happy thugs like some are here.
I know if you got the money you can get it.

But goverments love to point fingers sad to say.

But as for Marc Emery... what was going on we may never know.. going back to closed door meeting between goverments and police forces.

Got to ask your self why was the DEA there in the first place.
(I beleive the trade sanctions that may happen thats how they got here ..goverment backdoor meetings threats maybe one will never know ) cuban cigars anyone.:D

IF they were invited it was the RCMPs fault and our goverment for being week.

But they were told not to come here again but the DEA did try to do something else here but got told to go home.

not sure what the facts are I am sure Most dont like some of the policies on issues like pot.

One thing is for sure there is some influence going on in canada with our pot laws and i think the DEA is trying to stop us from or pressure us not to take it off the criminal code of canada. (decrimalize) Becuase if we did it then there afraid of more MJ from canada. Not sure on this :confused:

I was not trying to offend anyone but I know when i was in the Candian Militay (as small as it is) in germany I was a represenitive of Canada and my actions could be taken as great people, friendly ect or what a bunch of assholes.

So my point is realy is any one from any land is a represetative of his or her country for good or bad.

I just realy just want to get along with everybody.

Prefer peace and love then hate and war. No im not a hippy

But rather go through life, live it to the max and try not to hurt anyone on the trip :stoned:

Peace.:smokin:

[BCBUDBOY]

The problem is with the pharmacuetical companys, they can not patent a plant so they can not controll it.It is well known to help in a huge array of medical problems,the loss to them if it became legal would be in the billons.

[Harry Pot Head]

The problem is with the pharmacuetical companys, they can not patent a plant so they can not controll it.It is well known to help in a huge array of medical problems,the loss to them if it became legal would be in the billons.

To True indeed sad to say.:stoned:

But if they did it will be GM(genticly modified) and make for a crapy plant and effect the natural plants in the eco system. (contamination from the GM plants):mad:

[KHAN]

Ouch glad I dont live in the land of the free :)

[Weed4Life]

Like latwood said, just make sure you dont let the store know what you are doing and just come to this or another site for help. Its easy.

[starmark]

khan...we're glad you don't live here too.

[crazywill]

Hey to all,
What I was trying to say is the DEA has no business in any other countrys
law makeing decisions.They strong arm everybody in to doing what they
want them to do.They think they have all the answers to everybody drug
laws.Between the DEA & the pharmacuetical companys you will have a hard
time changeing the laws on pot.Yes around 65% of the people in the usa
want too change the law on pot.To get there way they put up trade blocks
on inports to and from the country they are strong arming.Like cannda to
extradite Emery to the usa so they can lock him up,to show other countrys
they now whats right for everybody.When get these WARMONGER out of office and the pharmacutical conpany with there special lobylist groups to stop influenceing law makeing in this country and every wear else will we
be able to change the laws.Yes I'am from the usa.I fought in a police action
so we could influence and free there country,to do what they want to do,
THAT BE IN CONTROL THE WORLD.It's all about the all mighty dollar.Just
ask the two oil man that are in office right now.Sorry about the rand about the USA with there DEA.But that's my opinion.And its' just me.