what if we go to war with iran.

[stangle12]

Dick chaney said "all options are currently on the table" while stating that the united states WILL NOT allow iran to hold a nuclear weapon.
We are already fighting a failing war in Iraq. We most definatly can not fight another in iran. At least without the draft.
If they even attempt to try to go to war, i would sencerily hope that congress would tell bush to go fuck himself. After this year, the congress is going blue anyhow. the conservatives are gonna loose both house and senate hopefully. (bring on the impeachment!)

i have to go do community service, but when i get back ill continue posting.

[unmeg]

i have afriend in the armed forces & he said Iran ivasion was being planned 3 years ago. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[friendowl]

the future is violence.
suicide bombers are gonna cuz major damage.
why can we have nuclear weapons but not them
fuck that everyone for themselves
darwinism in effect

[Oneironaut]

Yeah, I've known that an Iran war was inevitable for quite a while. Just read a document called "Rebuilding America's Defenses" by PNAC (a neo-conservative think tank with members like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld). It's available all over the web. In it, they basically explain how the future of American supremacy rests on us controlling Eurasia and its petroleum resources. So they decided to play a little game of tic-tac-toe in Asia. You can't take Afghanistan and then Iraq and leave Iran open to "hostile regimes", can you?

Truth is, they don't care about nukes in the hands of totalitarian régimes. If they did, they would be making the same threats against China. But they won't do that because China is an important trading partner and their military is fucking huge.

[Awill3449]

Yeah, I've known that an Iran war was inevitable for quite a while. Just read a document called "Rebuilding America's Defenses" by PNAC (a neo-conservative think tank with members like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld). It's available all over the web. In it, they basically explain how the future of American supremacy rests on us controlling Eurasia and its petroleum resources. So they decided to play a little game of tic-tac-toe in Asia. You can't take Afghanistan and then Iraq and leave Iran open to "hostile regimes", can you?

Truth is, they don't care about nukes in the hands of totalitarian régimes. If they did, they would be making the same threats against China. But they won't do that because China is an important trading partner and their military is fucking huge.
Good points.

I hope that we don't go to war with Iran. Talk about terrorism. That would be crazy, we'd be constantly getting attacked.

[thehammer]

I think we should blow all the crazy sonofabitches up and get it over with..Nuke the basterds. peace thuw superior firepower.
.................................................. ........thehammer

[Jeff Spicoli]

we could uh... drop a bomb on those sons of bitches..

[Caruso329]

If we nuked them, we would ruin their environment and we wouldn't be able to use the resources that we're really after.

[nakedgunner]

they need to find a new fuel so we dont have to fuck with the middle east anymore the only reason they have any money is because they have oil

[stangle12]

its not about the oil man. its a government conspiracy. Think about it. They just WANT us to think that its about oil. They WANT us to think that they are hiding the fact that its about oil. In reality they just want to have us prosper and be sure that they stay in their "place"

[zephyrinne]

We're screwed.

[Ocram]

they need to find a new fuel so we dont have to fuck with the middle east anymore the only reason they have any money is because they have oil
They dont need to find Shit man ever hear of Biodiesel??... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel



We're screwed.


Yup!!

[beachguy in thongs]

We are going to hire the army of The Republic of Ghana, to take care of the Iranians.

[tadaa]

Dick chaney said "all options are currently on the table" while stating that the united states WILL NOT allow iran to hold a nuclear weapon.
We are already fighting a failing war in Iraq. We most definatly can not fight another in iran. At least without the draft.
If they even attempt to try to go to war, i would sencerily hope that congress would tell bush to go fuck himself. After this year, the congress is going blue anyhow. the conservatives are gonna loose both house and senate hopefully. (bring on the impeachment!)

i have to go do community service, but when i get back ill continue posting.

Do you know anything about politics? You do realize that it's basically locked up for another republican for President considering Hillary is going to be the dem candidate. Thank god that stupid bitch won't be elected.

[sbskico1]

If the US doesn't attack Iran, Israell will most certainly. If Israel attacks Iran than most of the Arab world will attack Israel.
Wouldn't it be nice if they all would just get high.................

Peace

[sbskico1]

anyone from Alaska?

[email protected]

[beachguy in thongs]

Thank god that stupid bitch won't be elected.
You don't think she'll legalize pot? Or, rather, Do you?

[Redbeard007]

the future is violence.
suicide bombers are gonna cuz major damage.
why can we have nuclear weapons but not them
fuck that everyone for themselves
darwinism in effect
Uhhh, maybe they (Iran) doesn't need nuclear weapons because they have already stated that they would like to see Israel obliterated.

[activedenial]

Israel recently said that if the un doesn't stop them then they will take action. Just like they did against saddam in the 80's. Here is a link

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-03-08T142833Z_01_L08205988_RTRUKOC_0_US-NUCLEAR-IRAN-ISRAEL.xml&rpc=22:eek:

[Redbeard007]

Israel recently said that if the un doesn't stop them then they will take action. Just like they did against saddam in the 80's. Here is a link

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-03-08T142833Z_01_L08205988_RTRUKOC_0_US-NUCLEAR-IRAN-ISRAEL.xml&rpc=22:eek:
Yeah, I can see Israel doing what needs to be done again! Don't think the foot-dragging U.N. is going to do anything.

[Shelbay]

Do you know anything about politics? You do realize that it's basically locked up for another republican for President considering Hillary is going to be the dem candidate. Thank god that stupid bitch won't be elected.
Hillary is NOT a stupid bitch..what is your terminology for GW or Cheney? They stupid bitches in your opinion also or just the women?

[tadaa]

I love GW because he fucking takes action. He doesn't bullshit. We crushed them like they should have been crushed. Terrorists training camps were found in Iraq, that's enough reason for me.

lol@ Hillary legalizing pot. The President just can't pass any law they want, there's a process to it. Maybe you should learn what that is before you go making off the wall statements.

[w4terb0ng]

George W. Bush is a dipshit. PERIOD. :)

[del...]

i've always felt iran has been the main target since the 1st gulf war and probably much earlier...like the early 80's when they 1st became anti-west, which is why we never left the gulf region back in the early 90's. i mean check out a map of the region...we now have iran totally surrounded! it wouldn't take much at all to boost the people and material needed to move on iran and it also wouldn't surprise me one bit if the draft is brought back again in the near future...

[zephyrinne]

For one, I am a pretty liberal democrat and there is no way in hell I would vote for Hillary in '08. I'm a woman and I don't want to see a woman president, at least not now at this point in time. There is too much shit going on in the world to have a woman take over. And if, by some miraculous cause, she is elected president... I SERIOUSLY doubt legalizing marijuana is at the top of her list. Won't happen.

But back to the Iran thing... our troops are already stretched so thin throughout the world, if the U.S. was planning a full out attack on Iran, they would have to institute the draft, no doubt about it. My ex-boyfriend spent 13 months in Iraq when the war first started over there. They had to keep extending their time over there because they didn't have enough troops to do full rotations or whatever. And the war in Iraq, that won't be over anytime soon.

[del...]

but it won't be an iraqi-style war needing troops to go in and take over land and government. iran will be an air attack designed to destroy as much military and nuclear postions as possible...for the 1st year or so anyway, giving plenty of time to re-man the army.

[unmeg]

but it won't be an iraqi-style war needing troops to go in and take over land and government. iran will be an air attack designed to destroy as much military and nuclear postions as possible...for the 1st year or so anyway, giving plenty of time to re-man the army.

Yup del,thats why they have been spending so much money on the predator production.It will be a airial assualt with stealth & R/C planes .

Iran should just hand over what ever the dickhead in office wants & save his country.:D

[Shelbay]

For one, I am a pretty liberal democrat and there is no way in hell I would vote for Hillary in '08. I'm a woman and I don't want to see a woman president, at least not now at this point in time. There is too much shit going on in the world to have a woman take over. And if, by some miraculous cause, she is elected president... I SERIOUSLY doubt legalizing marijuana is at the top of her list. Won't happen.

But back to the Iran thing... our troops are already stretched so thin throughout the world, if the U.S. was planning a full out attack on Iran, they would have to institute the draft, no doubt about it. My ex-boyfriend spent 13 months in Iraq when the war first started over there. They had to keep extending their time over there because they didn't have enough troops to do full rotations or whatever. And the war in Iraq, that won't be over anytime soon.
Darn good post....I didn't know there was another woman on here that believed like I did that a woman should not be president..glad I read this one.

[Shelbay]

I love GW because he fucking takes action. He doesn't bullshit. We crushed them like they should have been crushed. Terrorists training camps were found in Iraq, that's enough reason for me.

lol@ Hillary legalizing pot. The President just can't pass any law they want, there's a process to it. Maybe you should learn what that is before you go making off the wall statements.
Tadaa..what ARE you smoking? We have crushed no one..except innocent people..and tell Mr. Bush to stop bullshitting and finish what he started and bring our Americans home....oh yeah..and yes Mr. Bush our president...he uses NO process and he can and does pass any law that he wants...maybe you should do some learning yourself..

[amsterdam]

we would defeat their army in two weeks and then slowly but surely kill the wahabbists children tricked and drugged into killing themselves.

[JunkYard]

I don't think legalization, or even decriminalization will be on any would be presidents 'agenda' with all the shit going on in the world. With that being said . . .GO HILLARY!

I love that woman! ;)

[Oneironaut]

Bush Needs to be Assasinated! plan and simple, down with the stupid mother fucker!
Even if that happened, it wouldn't do much for us. Dickhead Cheney would just be the president instead, and he's no better. While it would be really sweet to watch Bush receive a proper punishment for his crimes, it wouldn't really change anything in the world if that happened and Cheney or some other neocon filled his shoes. Hell, it wouldn't even make much of a difference if the most liberal Democrat were in the White House. What we really need to do is smash the whole fucking establishment, from the president on down to the weed-hating pigs. Too bad our educational system and media are geared to make people ignorant of how they're being fucked over by the system every day.

What we need to do is educate people, not kill presidents. If Bush were assassinated, he would become an instant martyr. Bush apologetics would find some group or groups to blame (the Muslims, the liberals, the homosexuals, the anarchists, the North Koreans...) and would use the asssassination as a way of portraying that group as evil. The result would be that people would conveniently forget about all the evil crap that Bush did and would rally around a counteroffensive against whichever group or groups received the blame. On the other hand, if we educate enough people we might actually have a chance of creating an actual revolution capable of overthrowing the American government and changing our lives for the better.

[buddymyfriend]

Dick chaney said "all options are currently on the table" while stating that the united states WILL NOT allow iran to hold a nuclear weapon.
We are already fighting a failing war in Iraq. We most definatly can not fight another in iran. At least without the draft.
If they even attempt to try to go to war, i would sencerily hope that congress would tell bush to go fuck himself. After this year, the congress is going blue anyhow. the conservatives are gonna loose both house and senate hopefully. (bring on the impeachment!)

i have to go do community service, but when i get back ill continue posting.

Just rememebr the UK has gots ya back! War is inevitable. Why not just send Iran a truck full of bird flu infected birds. Launch an aerial assault of disease! Ha ha!

Peace

Buddy

[Oneironaut]

Just rememebr the UK has gots ya back! War is inevitable. Why not just send Iran a truck full of bird flu infected birds. Launch an aerial assault of disease! Ha ha!

Peace

Buddy
Why not? There are several reasons why that is the most horrible idea I've heard in a long time. First, it would kill off mostly innocent people who haven't done anything wrong. Secondly, most of the dead would consist of people too poor to afford proper medical care, while the rich people (i.e. the people in power) will easily find ways to quarantine themselves from an epidemic and probably would not be too affected by it. Thirdly, since diseases don't know where our borders are, if we were successful in creating a bird flu epidemic in Iran, it would quickly spread to Iraq and Afghanistan, and then to any place that the soldiers there might want to go (like, say, the United Kingdom). And finally, using such methods of biological terrorism on the citizenry of Iran would cause a backlash from just about anybody who is against biological terrorism (i.e. pretty much everybody in the world). I can't see how the people responsible would not be convicted of genocide and deposed from power.

[Starchild]

We are to blame as well.~Americans~We are selfish and use our natural resources like pigs.Greedy and only self serving.Perhaps we should remember when we point the finger at someone there are three pointing back at us..

[jamstigator]

There is no war in Iraq. There's an insurgency, and yeah, if we're there another 25 years blowing them away, we might lose as many people as we did in the last real war (the Vietnam War). Wars are fought between armies. The insurgents have no army, just some poorly equipped, poorly organized gangs.

If we fight Iran, THAT could turn into a war. They are far better equipped than any insurgency, and while we would certainly win, it would not be nearly as easy as wiping out Saddam's army was. It would be easier than winning a war with North Korea though (and if we went to war with North Korea, we'd win there too, eventually). Going to war with Iran wouldn't be as rough as people might lead you to believe though, because we've got nearly 200,000 soldiers right next door doing little except playing as uniformed cops. We'd have air superiority within a day, and air supremacy within a week if we decided to tackle Iran militarily. And once you have air supremacy, everything gets a whole lot easier. Then it's just a matter of bombing targets until the enemy capitulates or there is no more enemy, whichever they choose. And then the aftermath: fighting another insurgency, assuming they capitulate before everyone is dead.

[pabloescobar209]

i have afriend in the armed forces & he said Iran ivasion was being planned 3 years ago. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
This dude at Barnes and Noble told me in january that there was gonna be a draft started in March, I asked him what for? and he said the invasion of Iran.

[Torog]

We are to blame as well.~Americans~We are selfish and use our natural resources like pigs.Greedy and only self serving.Perhaps we should remember when we point the finger at someone there are three pointing back at us..

Howdy Starchild,

Yup..in a way-yer right,we are to blame for allowing environazis here in America,to influence and obfuscate our domestic energy production. Which led us into greater dependence on foreign oil supplies. Environazis have managed to suppress off-shore drilling,the building of new refineries and nuclear plants,the discovery of new oil and gas fields,drilling in ANWR and so on..shame on us for letting ourselves to be too dependent on foreign oil supplies..now we have to eliminate those rogue goverments who would seek to blackmail us and cripple our economy.

If the world doesn't take care of the Iran problem,Israel may be forced to do such,and it won't be pretty,especially if Israel is forced to nuke every arab country in the region,including Saudia Arabia and Egypt,the arab world,especially the muslims,will never relinquish their dream and goal,of wiping Israel off the map and murdering every Jew and infidel,wherever they are to be found. Only nuclear deterrence,stands in their way..and soon-that may no longer work,if they all decide to become martyrs to bring about Darfur..an Islamic world-state.

Have a good one ...

[Psycho4Bud]

All the U.N. is asking for is the dismantalling of the nuclear sites. A few bunker busters with a couple of tomahawk missles and its a job well done. No troops will be needed to step into Iran.

I'm sure we'll have to use a few M.O.B.s just for good measure!:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

If the world doesn't take care of the Iran problem,Israel may be forced to do such,and it won't be pretty,especially if Israel is forced to nuke every arab country in the region,including Saudia Arabia and Egypt,the arab world,especially the muslims,will never relinquish their dream and goal,of wiping Israel off the map and murdering every Jew and infidel,wherever they are to be found. Only nuclear deterrence,stands in their way..and soon-that may no longer work,if they all decide to become martyrs to bring about Darfur..an Islamic world-state.

Have a good one ...

Howdy Torog,

The rest of the Arab countries will stay out of this one. Fact is, Iran is the only Shi'ite dominate country next to Iraq. The Sunni's in the area will actually sigh a bit of relief to know that the Iranian nuclear threat has passed. Why do ya think that the majority of the countries in the region supported Saddam during the Iraq/Iran war? This is where the 40 billion in Iraqi debt started with the GCC states. Supposed grants at the time for war efforts have misteriously turned into loans after the fact.

Have a good one dude!:thumbsup:

[Torog]

Howdy Torog,

The rest of the Arab countries will stay out of this one. Fact is, Iran is the only Shi'ite dominate country next to Iraq. The Sunni's in the area will actually sigh a bit of relief to know that the Iranian nuclear threat has passed. Why do ya think that the majority of the countries in the region supported Saddam during the Iraq/Iran war? This is where the 40 billion in Iraqi debt started with the GCC states. Supposed grants at the time for war efforts have misteriously turned into loans after the fact.

Have a good one dude!:thumbsup:

Howdy Psycho4Bud,

Well..yer probably right..hopefully they will stay out of this one,Israel has vowed "Never Again"..and if the muslim-jihadists and arabs got any sense at all,they do realize that Israel ain't kidding around..that Israel will employ the Samson Option..mutual-assured-destruction.

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[tadaa]

Tadaa..what ARE you smoking? We have crushed no one..except innocent people..and tell Mr. Bush to stop bullshitting and finish what he started and bring our Americans home....oh yeah..and yes Mr. Bush our president...he uses NO process and he can and does pass any law that he wants...maybe you should do some learning yourself..

Why don't you learn the law making process in the United States Government before you start talking politics on a forum. I think we learned about it in like what, 6th grade? It's not too complicated.

[Great Spirit]

I think that war with Iran is inevitable. I think that there will be another staged "terrorist attack" on American soil and Bush will blame this on Iran. Could be a dirty bomb attack or biological one. I don't know. But indeed, it will be staged like 911 was, as Bush blamed that on Osama and Saddam. It will be a swift war from the air and than enter World War III!! I think China will go on Iran's side and this will lead to the economic collapse in late 2006, 2007 as Edgar Cayce predicted. China owns our ass and our economies are intertwined, as they make all the cheap shit you buy at Wal-Mart.

Also, please do not call for the open assassination of Bush on these boards. It is a federal crime even if you do not mean it, although I'm sure many people will agree with you. I won't mention names!! :D I want that man out of office as soon as possible!! Never elect another Bush, or Republican for that matter into the White House!! Remember, evil comes in sheep's clothing.

[BigHomie]

Anyone else wondering what kind of role Russia is going to play in this if it goes down?

[GeorgePennington]

I fucking hate people who say George Bush is a good president because he takes action. He's a stupid fucking redneck. He indirectly funded terrorist groups in the first place, and has killed many more innocent people than guilty. How does that make him a good man? He's a coward and should be killed. People think about the World Trade centre happenings and think that's where everything started, but in reality this has been going on for years, and started with the US getting between every opposing country they could think of. They choose sides in the mind of personal benefit, and make huge money for terrorist groups and American politicians, at the expense of killing great numbers of poor helpless people. It's so fucking sad, and when you see all the dumb Americans (and Canadians) who support him it makes you realize that the world has been fucked beyond repair. The fact that he got voted in a second time is appauling, especially against someone like John Kerry. People tried every excuse to make this man look bad, and ignored all the dumbshit things Bush did. His lack of responsibility and moral reason is crazy... I wouldn't trust him to run a Wal-Mart, let alone a country. I think the biggest mistake the US has made in a long time was swaying the votes in 2000 and not appealing the fact that Gore should have won. What a shitty shitty country the US is.

[psychocat]

Once again I am forced to ask the question of who decided the US has the right to tell others what weapons they may have when they themselves have probably the largest and most destructive stockpile of WMD.
The friggin US goverment should concern itself with the US and stop trying to bully everyone into their way of thinking, I am so tired of the US believing that they are the rulers of the world , no wonder your country has so many enemies but it's the US who are the sabre rattling tyrants.

[GeorgePennington]

Why not man? I'm sure you could get away with saying Osama should be asassinated, and he's no more evil than Bush.

[Redbeard007]

Why not man? I'm sure you could get away with saying Osama should be asassinated, and he's no more evil than Bush.
The difference would be whether or not you are a U.S. citizen. I suppose if the remark is from someone outside the U.S., it would not mean as much, if anything. I just know that in our present post 9/11 world, the FBI and Secret Service take that type of rhetoric seriously.

[psychocat]

Bush and his cronies are more of a threat to world peace than Hitler was.

[jamstigator]

If you want to see airport security take someone down, cut out an aluminum foil silhouette of a pistol and slide it into a book or magazine they are taking with them. I did that to my roomie in the 80s, and they took him down hard. He punched me when he got back from Florida, and since I deserved it I let him. But gawd, we did have some laughs about it too.

I guess these days, it wouldn't be THAT funny. But if it's someone you dislike... ;)

[stangle12]

what happend to the good days, when politicians would use a major pursuasive speach to make you rise up and apreciate the war your about to go to. Maybe its becuase then the war was nessisary, inevitable. when the chess board of an administration takes the idea of war and moves it from the back burner king (last resort type thing) to an everyday pawn to justify things you wana do...theres problems.
Patrick henry stood infront of a hall of mene all eager for peace, and floored them with the war inevitable. the notion that their very way of existance is in jepordy because a Tyrant was on the doorstep of their freedom and liberty. By the end of his speach, the hall was up in arms and ready to fight
This to me is the case of war. When you have no alternative. Theres no where to Run. War is a defensive manuver, not an offensive. Premtive strikes are a tool of evil, and regardless of weather or not that is my country is not my problem. Everywere you go its going to exhist.

I understand we live in a day and age where its not that simple, where nukes play an unmistakable role in policy and administration, but i feel the world CAN get along.

The reason we can't return to a world of stablization is due in part to Ego and pride. To be perfectly honest, i can understand why the arab extreemest hate us. I dont ssee why they have to come here and fly planes into our buildings to prove their point, but i dont see why we should be trying to stop them on their own territory.

Westernized civilation is new. and it came at a time when many other things developed. We jump started the industrial revolution, brought conflict, and destroyed empires. We grew like a popular drug dealer, harvesting land where we stepped, and forced out natives like a facist dictator. ITS UNDERSTANDABLE that a sertain people, whose way of life in the deserty lands of hte middle easy have been unchanged for thousands of years dont want to see their way of life change. but that is of cource no reason to challenge ours.

So that is the problem we face. They challenge our way of life on our turf like planted time bombs. And we attack the way we know how. BOOM! BANG! the tornado of power tares through their land in the hopes that we'll hover over the holy grail of terrorists and halt them for ever. But they want that. They know we can't get all of them, or even their leaders. All of the short wave radios wont pick up the pigeons they have relaying messages. And all it does is make us look like the evilness.

But what makes the situation worse is how the top officials in any case refuse to be open and honest with the world. If george bush would come out and lay all of his cards on the table, i for one would like him alot better. When he first admited to fucking up in Iraq, ill admit i gave him points for that. The white house should always have 'the buck stops heere' mentality.

i have to stop writing now cause im in class and my teacher just looked at me. more to come.

[MikeNice77]

Without question we will have to eat all of our children for energy before we do anything else. It's the long-lasting energy that you need to fight a war versus an army that is made up of Four Spearchuking Snipers with two fingers on one hand and three on the other, three bows and arrows, seven supersoakers filled with poison goat milk, and one woman with three nipples all capable of squirting sour breast milk up to 24 feet into the wind. The thought of the chaos from fighting such a inhumane form of combat makes me want to eat my children as I type this.

[stangle12]

this top actualy relates to this book i've been reading. Botany of desire. It talks about an idea of co-evolution, where plants need us (animals) to help them, and we need them (plants/fruit/vegitation) to help us. We use eachother to evolve. for existance the tulip and the apple. Each of these produce offspring which are less then 1% simalar to their parent. They produce many offspring per plant, and thousands of combonations of genes. Why? to produce the offspring that will sucsseed and produce even more.
for example, Bee's are drawn to symetry and color. Humans are drawn to uniqueness, and beauty. As tulips produce more and more symetrical flowers more and more bee's take the pollen and travel to more and more plants. Spreading its genes to more and more flowers. They exploit the bees love of symetry for their own personal agenda.
like wize, there is a type of fungas which can attach itself to the tulip. This fungas seperates the two layers of colors in the tulip, producing a swirl of colors. they call this a broken tulip. This tulip is bold and beautiful, and tends to captivate human intrest. This fungi exploits the beuaty it creates (which also destroys the flower) to advance ITS own personal agenda.

I think its possible for co-evolution to be co-deevolution. We can ping pong back and forth with an oposite culture to advance our own, but unknowlingly, we can pick away at each other creating a slow descent of a spiral of de-evolution. We may just pick away at eachother bit by bit until one day, a nuke is launched to control the other (similar to how we would use a pesticide on the tulip to kill the fungus).

think about it.

[stangle12]

so yeah, tulips are kind of like the U.S and Arabs

[Starchild]

Torog...

Great seeing you...

[higher4hockey]

if we didnt fuck around like we are in iraq, we could make iran and iraq both into giant parking lots. we have the greatest military in the world, yet we're afraid to take full advantage of it.

[stangle12]

we can't take advantage of it. Our military is very very technilogicly equipped, and the enemy is technologicly adept. Its like fighting the vietkong all over again. you can't blast a rocket into the haystack and expect to find the needle.

[Shelbay]

I fucking hate people who say George Bush is a good president because he takes action. He's a stupid fucking redneck. He indirectly funded terrorist groups in the first place, and has killed many more innocent people than guilty. How does that make him a good man? He's a coward and should be killed. People think about the World Trade centre happenings and think that's where everything started, but in reality this has been going on for years, and started with the US getting between every opposing country they could think of. They choose sides in the mind of personal benefit, and make huge money for terrorist groups and American politicians, at the expense of killing great numbers of poor helpless people. It's so fucking sad, and when you see all the dumb Americans (and Canadians) who support him it makes you realize that the world has been fucked beyond repair. The fact that he got voted in a second time is appauling, especially against someone like John Kerry. People tried every excuse to make this man look bad, and ignored all the dumbshit things Bush did. His lack of responsibility and moral reason is crazy... I wouldn't trust him to run a Wal-Mart, let alone a country. I think the biggest mistake the US has made in a long time was swaying the votes in 2000 and not appealing the fact that Gore should have won. What a shitty shitty country the US is.
You racist..redneck? what a idiot you are also. what are you? A damn yankee? Dumb Americans? what is your excuse?

[higher4hockey]

this is true. I think though that if the US military was given free reign in iraq, we could easily win. Now I'm not saying give every 19 yr. old a gun let em loose and turn it into the wild west, just use the might of the US military effectively and ruthlessly.

[Shelbay]

Regardless of varying opinions, I do NOT believe that hateful rhetoric like this needs to be posted. This, my friend, can get you into a lot of trouble. I am surprised the Mods on here allow this kind of remark.
I did too...now you know the cia,fbi,homeland security etc...will be watching that word..not smart at all and makes you wonder if its intentional just to cause problems for CC...alot of new names seem to be trying their best to draw attention..

[StOneD.aS.FuK]

ahhhh goodbye America.

[StOneD.aS.FuK]

not really, Iran would have no chance (bunch of rag ass motherfuckers), america could nuke the whole place in a click of a button!

[jokeyjokejoke]

"America can cause harm and pain, but, it is also seceptible to harm and pain"

-That Iranian guy on the news (yeah, i dunno his name)

Thats fighting talk.

[stangle12]

what? 1st ammendment anyone? you can say whatever you want. unless he shows conspiracy to do so...he can say it.


Expect a visit...and I am serious.how dare you post that on CC. get ready and I am not dramatizing or playing...it will come..you don't say that about our President....that is really dangerous and could cause problems not only for you but for CC.

[buddymyfriend]

Why not? There are several reasons why that is the most horrible idea I've heard in a long time. First, it would kill off mostly innocent people who haven't done anything wrong. Secondly, most of the dead would consist of people too poor to afford proper medical care, while the rich people (i.e. the people in power) will easily find ways to quarantine themselves from an epidemic and probably would not be too affected by it. Thirdly, since diseases don't know where our borders are, if we were successful in creating a bird flu epidemic in Iran, it would quickly spread to Iraq and Afghanistan, and then to any place that the soldiers there might want to go (like, say, the United Kingdom). And finally, using such methods of biological terrorism on the citizenry of Iran would cause a backlash from just about anybody who is against biological terrorism (i.e. pretty much everybody in the world). I can't see how the people responsible would not be convicted of genocide and deposed from power.

Jest kiddin mate! Dang, your far too serious! Lighten up!

[LOVElife]

Funniest thing I have heard in months. That is a joke right?!!!!! Pissin' myself!!! The UK will obviously back America up, not because it needs to but because I feel we are on the same wavelength!

What can they do, sit back and wait for shit to happen, or go out and destroy the matter before it evolves?
Expect a visit...and I am serious.how dare you post that on CC. get ready and I am not dramatizing or playing...it will come..you don't say that about our President....that is really dangerous and could cause problems not only for you but for CC.

[Shelbay]

what? 1st ammendment anyone? you can say whatever you want. unless he shows conspiracy to do so...he can say it.
You start talk like that about President Bush and lets see where the first ammendment gets you...try talking to loretta nall about a post on a website that she made and ask her how long it was before her and her husband starting getting the visits...your forgetting the patriot act....beside..no matter what..shouldn't be talk about that on a CC board...You can say you hate him,he sucks big ones,he is a moron etc...but you say that word and its a different ball game..but go ahead and exercise your right ..just post when the visists are over and let me know how it turns out.

[Starchild]

this top actualy relates to this book i've been reading. Botany of desire. It talks about an idea of co-evolution, where plants need us (animals) to help them, and we need them (plants/fruit/vegitation) to help us. We use eachother to evolve. for existance the tulip and the apple. Each of these produce offspring which are less then 1% simalar to their parent. They produce many offspring per plant, and thousands of combonations of genes. Why? to produce the offspring that will sucsseed and produce even more.
for example, Bee's are drawn to symetry and color. Humans are drawn to uniqueness, and beauty. As tulips produce more and more symetrical flowers more and more bee's take the pollen and travel to more and more plants. Spreading its genes to more and more flowers. They exploit the bees love of symetry for their own personal agenda.
like wize, there is a type of fungas which can attach itself to the tulip. This fungas seperates the two layers of colors in the tulip, producing a swirl of colors. they call this a broken tulip. This tulip is bold and beautiful, and tends to captivate human intrest. This fungi exploits the beuaty it creates (which also destroys the flower) to advance ITS own personal agenda.

I think its possible for co-evolution to be co-deevolution. We can ping pong back and forth with an oposite culture to advance our own, but unknowlingly, we can pick away at each other creating a slow descent of a spiral of de-evolution. We may just pick away at eachother bit by bit until one day, a nuke is launched to control the other (similar to how we would use a pesticide on the tulip to kill the fungus).

You are brilliant

[Clever Swine]

ITS UNDERSTANDABLE that a sertain people, whose way of life in the deserty lands of hte middle easy have been unchanged for thousands of years dont want to see their way of life change. but that is of cource no reason to challenge ours.

The pr0bIem is that iranian ppI and its g0vernment are 2 seperate things, aIth0ugh it was dem0craticaIIy eIIected its n0t reaIIy a fair pr0cess 0f v0ting as ppI are f0rced n0t t0 stand f0r h0use, the g0vernment in iran is c0rrupt its in cah00ts with a facti0n fr0m the undergr0und, the ppI are y0ung in iran, they want change and hate the way things happen there, 0fcurse that is n0t t0 say america has many 0f these fact0rs in its fat mind
cheers!

[sbskico1]

Should the CEO(Pres. of the US) of a major company be concern about what the mailroom guy(third world) thinks?

Do you care more about your family or the family down the street you never met?


wasn't there a time when the "sun never set on the Britsh Empire"?
throughout history the country in power followed their own path, its when countries are out-of-power that they talk about "peace and understanding"
hasnt everyone heard of Darwin?

****Thanks to the U.K. for your continued support in world affairs*****

[stangle12]

You start talk like that about President Bush and lets see where the first ammendment gets you...try talking to loretta nall about a post on a website that she made and ask her how long it was before her and her husband starting getting the visits...your forgetting the patriot act....beside..no matter what..shouldn't be talk about that on a CC board...You can say you hate him,he sucks big ones,he is a moron etc...but you say that word and its a different ball game..but go ahead and exercise your right ..just post when the visists are over and let me know how it turns out.

that doesnt mean he can't say it. it doesnt hurt you. Your not agreeing with him.

[Kokujin X]

The Iran issue is a touchy one... most certainly we are almost at a boiling point. Iran is determined to have "nuclear energy" for the country and insist it is not for the purpose of weapons. While they say this though, the PRESIDENT of Iran keeps with comments about wiping Israel off the map. Their hatred for Israel seems to be incredible so its a REALLY sticky situation. Especially when you got countries like China making billion dollar contracts with Iran for oil at the same time. China already got problems with the US over Tiawan, this will just purpetuate things. Just nuking Iran is really not an option either in that respect. Russia is also intrested in Iran for whatever reasons (probably oil) and even offered alternatives for Iran. Such as having their nuclear facilitys contained in Russia so it would be eaiser to moniter. Since Iran rejected this idea as well, it would seem that their intent is not for energy, but for weapons. This is simply not an option for Israel. If US does not take assertive action within the next couple weeks, or if the UN Sanctions fall through then we can expect at least a US aided Israei attack on critical nuclear facilitys in Iran. From this point on, it's really a watch to see who drops the first bomb...

[Aeta]

sisters b/f is in the army and currently in iraq, said we aint doing anything over thier and the iraqi's dont want to take over thier country and help buidl it up again and when they take the trained iraqi's out on duty with the US they hide and wont fight.

every great nation must fall

[eddievanzant]

From me to Dick (not mine, Mr. Cheney): We? Who's we? You got a turd on your pocket?
Fuck war.

[Great Spirit]

If we go to war with Iran, God help us all. Blame Bush for it.

[Kokujin X]

One very possible outcome is that UN Sanctions arn't approved, or take to long that Israel takes matters into their own hands. They have the balls to do a strike, I mean Isreal is NOT going to allow Iran to obtain nukes. They simply can't, their existance is at stake. So I think Israel will probably strike, and once they do Iran just might recive help from Russia and China. It's very possible, a strike can be taken as an open act of war from Iran's point of view. With open war on Israel, who knows what they will do. Wether Russia would dare supply Iran with nukes, I don't know. I think it would be in their best intrest not to but I can't be sure. And with America's (well, bushes) determination to protect Israel at all costs, this would effect us directly. Surly we can't afford to go to war with Iran alone and with help from either China or Russia would really do us in as far as our military is concerned. I don't think a bulk of Americans know what is at stake here...

[stangle12]

world war III
interesting

[JBlaze82]

the US is screwed......anyone wanna move to canada?haha:thumbsup: :smokin:

[Deloused]

Just rememebr the UK has gots ya back! War is inevitable. Why not just send Iran a truck full of bird flu infected birds. Launch an aerial assault of disease! Ha ha!

I don't know if you are actually from the UK Buddy, but just incase you are i'd just like to say:

fuck you.

noone has the US's back, it makes me sad to think there are some people who believe the US is a free country and that the Iraq war was for freedom or their own protection.

Its bullshit caused by something most american's have in extreamely large quantities (usually somwhere up their ass hole) called "pride".

I fully support Iran's nuclear developments because its shedding some light on just how much of an arrogant, totalitarianist country the USA is.

You stars and stripes loving fuckheads need to wake up and see the world from another viewpoint.








P.s to all you yanks....


get a fucking passport.

[Kokujin X]

I don't know if you are actually from the UK Buddy, but just incase you are i'd just like to say:

fuck you.

noone has the US's back, it makes me sad to think there are some people who believe the US is a free country and that the Iraq war was for freedom or their own protection.

Its bullshit caused by something most american's have in extreamely large quantities (usually somwhere up their ass hole) called "pride".

I fully support Iran's nuclear developments because its shedding some light on just how much of an arrogant, totalitarianist country the USA is.

You stars and stripes loving fuckheads need to wake up and see the world from another viewpoint.

P.s to all you yanks....
get a fucking passport. And what happens if Iran aquires nuclear weapons and hmm.... useses them? You would have to be a fool not to think Iran's leader is a total nutcase. Do you realize what he is trying to do? He himself declared that God (Allah) appointed him the "usher" per se of the end times. Thats the end of the Earth, that is. During one of his speaches he some of his followers claimed to see a heavenly glow emmiting from him. He believes the Al Mahadi, the 12th Imam, prophet of Allah, Mohammad (these are all his titles, AKA the dude in the danish cartoons) is to come in no less then 2 years. If you read the muslim scripture, the 12th Imam is about nothing but destruction! Destruction to the infidels, which is everyone who isn't muslim! His ultimate goal is peace they say, but this can only be achived through a one world government, and a one world religion (muslim from his point of view). These radical muslims are getting out of controle and I don't know why more people don't see it. It's all fine and dandy for you if you are willing to become full blown muslim though, but knowing a lot of you it wouldn't be easy. Now, don't get me wronge. I'm only stating the clear intentions of Iran's president, I'm not saying the 12th Imam is in fact coming. But, I think all this would be enough to declare him crazy, in the sence he wants everyone in the world to convert or die. Give him nukes? No way! Its just as bad as Hamas or Al Qaeda obtaining nukes.

Now, as far as the UK backing us up... you gotta think about benefit here. These are people with countries to run, it would be wreckless to rush in to help someone whos bound to lose (this is assuming Russia or China is involved, China clearly being the more deadly one though) If Russia is involved, Maybe we can expect help from UK but thats maybe. Once everything goes down, I can easily see the UK just remaining mute on the whole situation, and you have to realize. People arn't going to risk the safty of their country if its a hopeless fight.

[perthkiwi]

why dont u yanks just blow uselfs up cos all u want to do is go to war

[Kokujin X]

why dont u yanks just blow uselfs up cos all u want to do is go to warWow, yeah because thats what we American's want. It's not peace or prosperity, it's just war.

I think your opinion will be changing VERY soon...

[Nikita123]

we can't take advantage of it. Our military is very very technilogicly equipped, and the enemy is technologicly adept. Its like fighting the vietkong all over again. you can't blast a rocket into the haystack and expect to find the needle.

Ah, my friend, you need to think bigger ie. "you can blast a nuke into the haystack and rest assured there will be no needles remaining".

I like to bring a cannon to a knife fight. :smokin:

[graymatter]

I suggest we focus on the notion that all politics are local... Start by kicking the legs out from under GW and write your state senators, demand that they repeal the patriot act. Join your local NORML or start one if there isn't one.

Going to war with Iran is inevitable if we keep electing bible thumping republicans and centrist (duck and cover) democrats. Get active and write these assholes and DEMAND change!

[Ze w33d Farm3r]

Well we kinda screwed up with iraq...

My opinion if we go to war with iran? then we are ultimately screwed,

But thats just my opinion though not sure if that be the case though

[dark0ne]

I think this whole thing is so stupid, kinda like WWE. I'm just waiting for the leader of iran to come out and shake hands with bush, and they'll be the new tag team sensation. I'm moving to a quiet little island away from all this shit, so i can just sit on the beach and smoke my weed in peace. I mean is that to mutch to ask for??????

[stangle12]

I don't know if you are actually from the UK Buddy, but just incase you are i'd just like to say:

fuck you.

noone has the US's back, it makes me sad to think there are some people who believe the US is a free country and that the Iraq war was for freedom or their own protection.

Its bullshit caused by something most american's have in extreamely large quantities (usually somwhere up their ass hole) called "pride".

I fully support Iran's nuclear developments because its shedding some light on just how much of an arrogant, totalitarianist country the USA is.

You stars and stripes loving fuckheads need to wake up and see the world from another viewpoint.








P.s to all you yanks....


get a fucking passport.

your a narrow minded little prick to think that we all think what our "fearless leader" thinks. he has a 35% aproval rating for a reason asshole. So dont come at me with your "stars and stripes" yankee bullshit. yuor just jealous that we kicked yoru ass out of here not once, but twice.
dont act like your so much better cause your not. we're all stuck in this world full of politics religion and ridicule. Just fukcing deal with it. i wana be your friend, i want you to be my friend, why you gotta bring that bullshit in.

[BUZz UK]

GOD BLESS BLIGHTY!

[eddievanzant]

I think this whole thing is so stupid, kinda like WWE. I'm just waiting for the leader of iran to come out and shake hands with bush, and they'll be the new tag team sensation. I'm moving to a quiet little island away from all this shit, so i can just sit on the beach and smoke my weed in peace. I mean is that to mutch to ask for??????
So do you have a problem with Pro Wrestling or only with that company?

[geonagual]

If we go to war with Iran
They will start the draft
and people that dont want to fight
Will be brought into the Military
and be forced to kill

I vote for No Militaries on earth
No borders
and everyone speaks one language

[graymatter]

If we go to war with Iran
They will start the draft
and people that dont want to fight
Will be brought into the Military
and be forced to kill

I vote for No Militaries on earth
No borders
and everyone speaks one language

Yes, but what language would that one language be? That's why religious fanatics (god, weed, earth or whatever) rule every government on earth... Unfortunately, we have redneck christians dictating our language, at the moment anyway. It's like the USA is at the "freedom" slot machine and we keep drawing [Prohibition, Patriot Act, Ban Gay Marriage] over and over.