***A Link Between Marijuana & The Devil***

[zscorpio5281]

Hello all-

(This is my first post so I apologize if this topic has been mentioned before.)

I'm just curious if anyone feels a sense of 'evil' whenever high. I know that when I smoke I'm much more spiritual and reflective and view the world in a different way. I feel some sort of a connection and feel comfortable expressing myself. I'm curious to explore the spiritual mind and how it pertains to reality.

You know how Rastafarians smoke to have a better connection with God? Lately it's gone the other way with me, I feel darkness and a sense of evil. Over the summer I had a wild and crazy time smoking quite often. I began to change as a person and my spritual beliefs began to change. I started dressing differently, behaving wildly, and soon enough I bought a hand-carved Ouija board and I was messing around with that by myself. And I feel that I connected with some sort of spirit of darkness doing all this and now my life has changed.

Marijuana played a big role in this and elevated my mind spirituality. Whenever I was sober I was fine and went on with everyday life. But when I would smoke, I was inclined to go on some risk-taking adventure or grab the ouija board. It was like I changed into a different person.

So is there a link between marijuana and the devil? I researched this and didn't find too much information, but I guess satanists used marijuana in a ritual to summon the devil/demons way back in the 1700's. And I guess other groups used it sporadically throughout history. Nothing much has been reported on this topic though.

I'm curious because I have felt some sort of connection that I never felt before in my entire life. Thanks everyone.

[siSTARindigo]

Email me privately and I might be able to offer some suggestions. [email protected]

Eva

[Polymirize]

I'm all about openmindedly considering possibilities...

but this sounds more psychological than spiritual...

Is what you connect to external or internal?

[mrdevious]

it's undoubtedly psychological and not spiritual, it's just a plant that stimulates certain receptors in your body. but everybody responds to weed differently, some more than other. some people can become depressed, or in your case have "feelings of darkness", which are still feelings. the other option is that there's a darker side of your personality that's coming out when you smoke.

but to each his own, I say just don't smoke it, it's obviously not for you. for every so many people who have a great and typical time on weed, there's always the odd person who just gets a really negative experience from it.

[MoonStarer420]

Man, I'm the complete opposite. I feel an overwhelming sense of calmness and peace.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Non-belief in the supernatural would solve this person's problem. All else is madness - and the quote from Nietzsche below is written better than I could express it.

[StOneD.aS.FuK]

yea theres prob a link...but so what????

i love my demons :)

[Sir Les]

Hello all-

(This is my first post so I apologize if this topic has been mentioned before.)

I'm just curious if anyone feels a sense of 'evil' whenever high. I know that when I smoke I'm much more spiritual and reflective and view the world in a different way. I feel some sort of a connection and feel comfortable expressing myself. I'm curious to explore the spiritual mind and how it pertains to reality.

You know how Rastafarians smoke to have a better connection with God? Lately it's gone the other way with me, I feel darkness and a sense of evil. Over the summer I had a wild and crazy time smoking quite often. I began to change as a person and my spritual beliefs began to change. I started dressing differently, behaving wildly, and soon enough I bought a hand-carved Ouija board and I was messing around with that by myself. And I feel that I connected with some sort of spirit of darkness doing all this and now my life has changed.

Marijuana played a big role in this and elevated my mind spirituality. Whenever I was sober I was fine and went on with everyday life. But when I would smoke, I was inclined to go on some risk-taking adventure or grab the ouija board. It was like I changed into a different person.

So is there a link between marijuana and the devil? I researched this and didn't find too much information, but I guess satanists used marijuana in a ritual to summon the devil/demons way back in the 1700's. And I guess other groups used it sporadically throughout history. Nothing much has been reported on this topic though.

I'm curious because I have felt some sort of connection that I never felt before in my entire life. Thanks everyone.

I believe as you come closer to the truth and God or that doorway to eternal life with God...the more the demons try to effect your reality!
Like what happened to Christ when he went into the wilderness to find God, and was confronted By Satan offering him Power and riches, if he only worshiped him...
Satan is in the world, and doesn't want us finding that doorway back to paradise , or God!

Subconsciencely the human laws might be playing on your mind!
Knowing it is illegal to have Marijuana, might have some effect on your state of mind, and behavior!
What you believe in, is of the utmost importance when using some of these plants God made!
You have to ground yourself to something true...and protect yourself and your spirit with truth...for there are demons about!

If you cannot control your mind, and body, you should not use the plant!
Knowing the truth will set you free!..there is no darkness unless you believe there is!...it has been conquered by Christ!
Marijuana has no sin!
Marijuana opens doorways in the mind, and connects to the spirit that is hidden inside yourself.
It is important to God, that you know the truth about the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil!...so both are there if you wish to find them!

Christ Said: "The devil is already in the world"
Be careful with yourself...I would burn that Ouija board if I were you!
Nothing good will come from it!
And asking spirits already dead to answer your questions, when the Bible has already done so, is asking to be lead down the wrong pathway!
If their is Evil...then the opposite exists!
Ground yourself in God's truth...and follow Christ!
Put back the tree of knowledge sinlessly under the sun, in good soil, and care for the plant, offer it up to God in thanksgiving, as sinlesly as possible!
Keep your spirit clean!

Ouija board...is not a toy!
And yes it opens another doorway to the spirit rhelm...these spirits are bound down to this reality, and will decieve you!
They will posses you, and make your life a living hell, if you let them into your reality!
I speak this to you as a warning...my Ant became possesed when using a Ouija board...she couldn't speak for months after the ordeal!
And her turning to the church and Christ our Lord, saved her from the demonic possesion!
They truned her into a wild mainiac, a lunitic...that could not speak a word ...all that came out of her were grunts and moans!
The doctors were baffeled...!
But it was her devotion to Christ, and God that saved her!
The power of prayer, and that strong conviction, caused them demons to leave....but I'm sure a dark cloud still hangs over her head for allowing that to happen!
Best not to go there!

[zscorpio5281]

Thanks for all of the replies. Yes, this 'evil feeling' is psychological no doubt about it. But it is also spiritual as well, there has to be a combination of the two. Native Americans used plants to get higher spiritually and I guess same with the Rastafarians or whatever. Weed can stimulate the mind, body, and soul to be a peace or to be one with each other. I love to meditate when high.

But I'm just saying I think marijuana has another purpose then just getting high. And I won't stop smoking either. I've had the fun, peaceful highs too. And I have also had the depressed lows. Never the paranoia. But over the past year or two my highs have gotten out of control. I can't even smoke right now because I'm doing UA's for trying to elude the police. I'm a good person, raised Catholic and have good morals and values overall. But on the flip side, I can get wild, raise hell and do some of this demon shit that eventually gets me in trouble.

See now that I haven't smoked since 10/05, I'm back down to earth and stopped with these dangerous actions and feelings. We'll see what happens when I can smoke again. You never know.

[beachguy in thongs]

Just remember that the "Green Spirits" overcome you, when you smoke. They're good spirits.

[stoner spirit]

Thanks for all of the replies. Yes, this 'evil feeling' is psychological no doubt about it. But it is also spiritual as well, there has to be a combination of the two. Native Americans used plants to get higher spiritually and I guess same with the Rastafarians or whatever. Weed can stimulate the mind, body, and soul to be a peace or to be one with each other. I love to meditate when high.

But I'm just saying I think marijuana has another purpose then just getting high. And I won't stop smoking either. I've had the fun, peaceful highs too. And I have also had the depressed lows. Never the paranoia. But over the past year or two my highs have gotten out of control. I can't even smoke right now because I'm doing UA's for trying to elude the police. I'm a good person, raised Catholic and have good morals and values overall. But on the flip side, I can get wild, raise hell and do some of this demon shit that eventually gets me in trouble.

See now that I haven't smoked since 10/05, I'm back down to earth and stopped with these dangerous actions and feelings. We'll see what happens when I can smoke again. You never know.
Consecrate the herb before using it, and get rid of that ouija board. If you want to contact spirits, you need to have a circle of protection around you for your own safety. I would suggest that you do some sort of purification ritual before using the sacred herb. May the good spirits watch over you, and may you be surrounded by the forces of the light for protection.

[Sir Les]

Thanks for all of the replies. Yes, this 'evil feeling' is psychological no doubt about it. But it is also spiritual as well, there has to be a combination of the two. Native Americans used plants to get higher spiritually and I guess same with the Rastafarians or whatever. Weed can stimulate the mind, body, and soul to be a peace or to be one with each other. I love to meditate when high.

But I'm just saying I think marijuana has another purpose then just getting high. And I won't stop smoking either. .

Yes Put it back where it belongs sinlessly, At the center of the garden, and you can enter heaven when you die...Doing the opposite act that brought humans into death...sinfully taken from the center of Eden....

[harmonicminor]

oija boards can be good. look up Jane Roberts and the Seth Material
as far as the devil he doesnt exist. he was made up to make people follow the laws in the bible which were only to controll people
there can be bad spirits though but thats another thing and they cant harm you. they are only there to scare you
I have seen them face to face either through astral traveling or Salvia Divinorum. they couldnt do shit to me because I know about them and am not afraid.
but that still is different than just a mere feeling from smoking weed.
heres what I think......
your blood vessels expanded from smoking which gave you a wierd feeling that you assosiated with fear and the reason for the assosoiation is when you get scared your blood veesels expand. another contributing factor is the fact that its illegal

[cokekilla]

i say its all in ur mind man

[Sir Les]

A possible way to deter evil spirits.
Read Tobit 6:5-6 cut open a fish, take out the gall, heart and liver....
Tobit 6:14 explains the condition of the girl (widowed seven times)and the demon that kills the bride.
Tobit 6:17-19 burn some of the fish liver and heart, the odur will cause the demon to flee.

If you are being harrased by evil spirits, you could try this, and see if it works.
:rasta:
I say you should give up your Ouija board, and turn to the Bible for answers...much safer!

[zscorpio5281]

Here are some examples of my 'evil' distorted thinking, feeling, perceptions, whatever. I'm a photographer and when I'm high I like to take abstract pictures of nature and create images of faces. Like out of clouds, rock, shadows, smoke, fire. Has anyone seen that 9/11 face in the smoke? Same concept. When sober I can't seem to do it as well and these 'faces' are not as apparent. When high though, marijuana sparks creativity obviously and whatever this 'evil' sense is. Everything becomes clear and crisp, and with my camera I can capture some of this abstract artwork.

You need to know that these are not pictures of actual spirits or demons. This is just what my mind seems to notice and I take a picture of it. Also, none of these have been doctored with Adobe Photoshop, it is all real as I have seen it. Please do not spread these photos around, view it for yourself and hopefully you enjoy it.

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ghost - I was sitting in my car, wearing white pants - these are tree shadows hitting my pant leg and this is what I came up with.

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clouds

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demon - same scenario as the ghost pic, but 'solarize' mode was used in my camera, and those are shadows falling on the cardboard box of my ouija board. You can see PO Box, CO and stuff of the mailing address.

[Pyramidsonmars]

Hello all-

(This is my first post so I apologize if this topic has been mentioned before.)

I'm just curious if anyone feels a sense of 'evil' whenever high. I know that when I smoke I'm much more spiritual and reflective and view the world in a different way. I feel some sort of a connection and feel comfortable expressing myself. I'm curious to explore the spiritual mind and how it pertains to reality.

You know how Rastafarians smoke to have a better connection with God? Lately it's gone the other way with me, I feel darkness and a sense of evil. Over the summer I had a wild and crazy time smoking quite often. I began to change as a person and my spritual beliefs began to change. I started dressing differently, behaving wildly, and soon enough I bought a hand-carved Ouija board and I was messing around with that by myself. And I feel that I connected with some sort of spirit of darkness doing all this and now my life has changed.

Marijuana played a big role in this and elevated my mind spirituality. Whenever I was sober I was fine and went on with everyday life. But when I would smoke, I was inclined to go on some risk-taking adventure or grab the ouija board. It was like I changed into a different person.

So is there a link between marijuana and the devil? I researched this and didn't find too much information, but I guess satanists used marijuana in a ritual to summon the devil/demons way back in the 1700's. And I guess other groups used it sporadically throughout history. Nothing much has been reported on this topic though.

I'm curious because I have felt some sort of connection that I never felt before in my entire life. Thanks everyone.

Yeah, me and my friend have kind of had weird experiences on mushrooms before with this "evil presence" that I've sometimes noticed. I'm a christian and believe that there are demonic forces that try to toy with us constantly, and I believe we're more suseptable when our mind is altered, because we are no longer on stable turff intellectually; more defenceless against convincing ourselves otherwise when bad things are "put into our heads". Think of it this way: do you think you're a nicer, less selfish, more patient, more forgiving person when you're high (or drunk for that matter?) I know personally when I'm high I'm usually lazy, and take the easier (and often of less quality) choice when it comes to food, activities, etc. I've stopped denying that I (and for the most part my friends) am not the same person- not as GOOD of a person when I'm stoned.

[mrdevious]

Yeah, me and my friend have kind of had weird experiences on mushrooms before with this "evil presence" that I've sometimes noticed. I'm a christian and believe that there are demonic forces that try to toy with us constantly.

Not to rag on your believes, it's fine to be a christian, but keep in mind that demonic forces were the initial explanation for all mental illness, feelings of darkness, sexual dreams from men (they believe some female demon raped men at night, which is why they had sexual dreams), even just evil people. but we all know now, they've proven, that all these conditions occure direction from specific chemical interactions with specific parts of the brain. I mean hallucinogens in themselves, even drugs in the hospital, can create states of mind so powerfull you'd never be able to feel that on your own.

now I don't personally believe there is a god, but for the moment I'll just give the benefit of the doubt and assume there is one. God has designed human beings with an amazingly complex body and even more complex brain. He wants us to live good lives, but it's more than that isn't it? He wants us to be good people , to be free of evil thoughts, evil urges, to not have an evil soul, but one that is pure and good. The best way to attain such a state of mind is to understand yourself, understand what truly makes you feel evil, or angry, or depressed, or greedy. strengthen your mind, strengthen your inner self, when it's you who determines your mindstate, it is you who can have control over yourself above any demon or outside force. I think this is what god would want, for the truly good people like yourself to have the power, not the evil forces. Though as to how you would purify and strengthen yourself, I can't tell you, that's up to however your faith would accomplish that.

[Pyramidsonmars]

Not to rag on your believes, it's fine to be a christian, but keep in mind that demonic forces were the initial explanation for all mental illness, feelings of darkness, sexual dreams from men (they believe some female demon raped men at night, which is why they had sexual dreams), even just evil people. but we all know now, they've proven, that all these conditions occure direction from specific chemical interactions with specific parts of the brain. I mean hallucinogens in themselves, even drugs in the hospital, can create states of mind so powerfull you'd never be able to feel that on your own.

Some good points. My argument isn't really the mushrooms themselves, but just the mindstate that they put you in. I do know that there are two ways to look at the effects of drugs: material effects, non-material effects. Simply saying "chemicals did this to the brain" doesn't really expalin that effect on the "intellect"-the actions of the mind. What I mean is that alchohol for example effects our brain for strictly physical reasons (chemicals touched this part of the brain etc etc), and it is what this does to our ability to comprehend the situation that is changed. The mushroom trip my friend and I had very much left us in a mental state where perhaps we could rationalize things differently, but it is the fact that we cannot intellectually defend ourselves from attacks, nor could we reason them out (be they "temptations" or literal demonic possesion) in the same way we would sober (we are POTENTIALLY vulnerable is what I mean.) This is just an idea I've had as to why I've felt very heavenly feeligns during a good mushroom trip, and very hellish ones during a bad one.



now I don't personally believe there is a god, but for the moment I'll just give the benefit of the doubt and assume there is one. God has designed human beings with an amazingly complex body and even more complex brain. He wants us to live good lives, but it's more than that isn't it? He wants us to be good people , to be free of evil thoughts, evil urges, to not have an evil soul, but one that is pure and good. The best way to attain such a state of mind is to understand yourself, understand what truly makes you feel evil, or angry, or depressed, or greedy. strengthen your mind, strengthen your inner self, when it's you who determines your mindstate, it is you who can have control over yourself above any demon or outside force. I think this is what god would want, for the truly good people like yourself to have the power, not the evil forces. Though as to how you would purify and strengthen yourself, I can't tell you, that's up to however your faith would accomplish that.

This is a simply difference of philosophy. I believe that God does want those things for us, but I also believe that the only way we attain those is through our closeness to God. How do we be close to God? I could give you my personal response but I'm sure you already guessed ;)

[altagid]

Dude there are no demons trying to invade your head. What you see on MJ is just the inside of your head good or bad innocent or wicked its just you. If you really feel you are talking to other beings I suggest you go to a doctor that you trust because you may be borderline schizo and the weed is aggravating it. Otherwise you have discovered you have a streak of wickedness. So what? Welcome to the club. Enjoy it. Do something naughty. Life is short - have fun!

[Great Spirit]

Hmm....I do to..to an extent. Weed has the power to reveal you to yourself. It's not the weed doing it...its actually you. Something has triggered that and the weed is helping you realize this so you can conquer it. Whats true in our minds is true. People who get high and get violent (which I know of none!) are just stupid people who probably do more than weed, like crack and such. I have thougt of some scarey stuff while high though...buts its my imagination. Remember...the Dark has value. We live in a dual reality..Light/Dark, Male/Female. The trick is to find value in the Dark and to bring Light and Dark together. The Dark is not "evil" as most would assume. Evil is plain ignorance. We need to learn compassion!!! Thats a mix of light and dark. So just because you have "evil" thoughts doesnt mean they are really evil.

[S8ted]

Hello all-

(This is my first post so I apologize if this topic has been mentioned before.)

I'm just curious if anyone feels a sense of 'evil' whenever high. I know that when I smoke I'm much more spiritual and reflective and view the world in a different way. I feel some sort of a connection and feel comfortable expressing myself. I'm curious to explore the spiritual mind and how it pertains to reality.

You know how Rastafarians smoke to have a better connection with God? Lately it's gone the other way with me, I feel darkness and a sense of evil. Over the summer I had a wild and crazy time smoking quite often. I began to change as a person and my spritual beliefs began to change. I started dressing differently, behaving wildly, and soon enough I bought a hand-carved Ouija board and I was messing around with that by myself. And I feel that I connected with some sort of spirit of darkness doing all this and now my life has changed.

Marijuana played a big role in this and elevated my mind spirituality. Whenever I was sober I was fine and went on with everyday life. But when I would smoke, I was inclined to go on some risk-taking adventure or grab the ouija board. It was like I changed into a different person.

So is there a link between marijuana and the devil? I researched this and didn't find too much information, but I guess satanists used marijuana in a ritual to summon the devil/demons way back in the 1700's. And I guess other groups used it sporadically throughout history. Nothing much has been reported on this topic though.

I'm curious because I have felt some sort of connection that I never felt before in my entire life. Thanks everyone.

i wouldn't quite say there's a link between MJ & the Devil, though a book i read mentions that drugs leave the body open for earthbound spirits, while under the drugs' spell. A number of ppl are more sensitive to these entities than others. If you do smoke up again, i'd recommend doing it in a positive surrounding, preferrably peaceful.

[jdmarcus59]

I believe as you come closer to the truth and God or that doorway to eternal life with God...the more the demons try to effect your reality!
Like what happened to Christ when he went into the wilderness to find God, and was confronted By Satan offering him Power and riches, if he only worshiped him...
Satan is in the world, and doesn't want us finding that doorway back to paradise , or God!

Subconsciencely the human laws might be playing on your mind!
Knowing it is illegal to have Marijuana, might have some effect on your state of mind, and behavior!
What you believe in, is of the utmost importance when using some of these plants God made!
You have to ground yourself to something true...and protect yourself and your spirit with truth...for there are demons about!

If you cannot control your mind, and body, you should not use the plant!
Knowing the truth will set you free!..there is no darkness unless you believe there is!...it has been conquered by Christ!
Marijuana has no sin!
Marijuana opens doorways in the mind, and connects to the spirit that is hidden inside yourself.
It is important to God, that you know the truth about the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil!...so both are there if you wish to find them!

Christ Said: "The devil is already in the world"
Be careful with yourself...I would burn that Ouija board if I were you!
Nothing good will come from it!
And asking spirits already dead to answer your questions, when the Bible has already done so, is asking to be lead down the wrong pathway!
If their is Evil...then the opposite exists!
Ground yourself in God's truth...and follow Christ!
Put back the tree of knowledge sinlessly under the sun, in good soil, and care for the plant, offer it up to God in thanksgiving, as sinlesly as possible!
Keep your spirit clean!

Ouija board...is not a toy!
And yes it opens another doorway to the spirit rhelm...these spirits are bound down to this reality, and will decieve you!
They will posses you, and make your life a living hell, if you let them into your reality!
I speak this to you as a warning...my Ant became possesed when using a Ouija board...she couldn't speak for months after the ordeal!
And her turning to the church and Christ our Lord, saved her from the demonic possesion!
They truned her into a wild mainiac, a lunitic...that could not speak a word ...all that came out of her were grunts and moans!
The doctors were baffeled...!
But it was her devotion to Christ, and God that saved her!
The power of prayer, and that strong conviction, caused them demons to leave....but I'm sure a dark cloud still hangs over her head for allowing that to happen!
Best not to go there!

to the person who started this, I would say this is a perty good answer
I hope you read it.

[Coelho]

to the person who started this, I would say this is a perty good answer
I hope you read it.

indeed... probably the better answer given here.

[JackdaWack]

you can compare almost everything on this earth with good and evil, u dont even need to compare god and the devil if u want to be more politically correct.

Evil thoughts should be the last thing on your mind when token, but then again were all different

I dont personally believe in god, but i do believe in right and wrong, I know more about catholicism then most people i know who believe in it, but thats just because from 1st to 12th grade i was in catholic schools.

Either way, they never preached the shit down are throats, the most evil your going to see now and days is strait from the churches so keep your minds clear. I do beleive in the rights to religion, but every time i tried to believe and go to church it was just like a repeat in my head something is wrong here.

The devil had his time to take the good souls, god gave him that right, and i believe, like many others, that the devil has directly infultrated the structure of the religion by means of corrupt people in the church... what better way to bring it down right?
Ive talked with my friends brother whom is a graduate in a theology field whom is a firm believer in catholicism and he even agreed with me on the fact that the devil is in the church more then anywhere else.

There's to much BS surrounding theologies for me today, to much corruption, to many unaswered questions, but i will never tell some one there stupid for believing.

In my opinion, do what is right, leave the crap behind you, if there is a god, i believe the only thing he wants us to do, is to chill the fuck out, love eachother, do what is right and moral, and treat people like they should be.

Too often i come across people who defend there religion and continue to prosecute those around them for there plesure, i dont need a religion to do the right thing and people mislead that fact.

Any way sorry for the ramble, but seriously, in any case, just do the right thing, and the right thing is always something non-selfish.

Bob-marley and his god of zion, cannabis is the direct path to there god.

The only thing religions are mainly concerned with is the fact of god before anything else, u really think gods gonna send you to hell for smoking some weed in your life? He'd be more pissed u missed church this sunday..

[Abunai]

I feel so peaceful

[TheAtomicPunk]

I would never say weed has anything to do with the devil. But man, sometimes when I get a great uppy high, I love nothing more than blaring Satan My Master - Dimmu Borgir headbanging and yelling!

[Xhoshi]

I had something like that once. I got real high one day and ran into this crazy, mentally disturbed guy in the middle of the night. At like 2 AM. It was only me, my friend, and him on the street. I tripped out and thought he was Satan's disciple. He had blood red eyes and pale, dead skin.

I feel a very strong spiritual connection with weed.

Anyways, I got real high again last week and I thought that I saw him stalking me home in a red SUV when I was walking home from my bus stop. I ran like hell to home, I damn near hopped a fence to make sure he didn't know where I live. I'm still not sure if it was really him or not. Probably not, because I ran into the guy in a place miles away from my house. Whenever I get high and walk home, I trip out when I see a red SUV following me.

[longgonetx]

i think that our whole journey in life is a journey to understand and become intimate with god. maybe this is happening merely to prompt you to begin thinking on the whole subject of good and evil and where you fit in to the big scheme of things.

[darth stoner]

You take for granted we believe there's a "devil" and a "god".

When I'm stoned I feel a greater sense of unity with the universe (not some mythological creature), I feel more creative and I can explain things so much better. No devil or god thing, sorry.

[Mark Bryan]

I believe as you come closer to the truth and God or that doorway to eternal life with God...the more the demons try to effect your reality!
Like what happened to Christ when he went into the wilderness to find God, and was confronted By Satan offering him Power and riches, if he only worshiped him...
Satan is in the world, and doesn't want us finding that doorway back to paradise , or God!

Subconsciencely the human laws might be playing on your mind!
Knowing it is illegal to have Marijuana, might have some effect on your state of mind, and behavior!
What you believe in, is of the utmost importance when using some of these plants God made!
You have to ground yourself to something true...and protect yourself and your spirit with truth...for there are demons about!

If you cannot control your mind, and body, you should not use the plant!
Knowing the truth will set you free!..there is no darkness unless you believe there is!...it has been conquered by Christ!
Marijuana has no sin!
Marijuana opens doorways in the mind, and connects to the spirit that is hidden inside yourself.
It is important to God, that you know the truth about the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil!...so both are there if you wish to find them!

Christ Said: "The devil is already in the world"
Be careful with yourself...I would burn that Ouija board if I were you!
Nothing good will come from it!
And asking spirits already dead to answer your questions, when the Bible has already done so, is asking to be lead down the wrong pathway!
If their is Evil...then the opposite exists!
Ground yourself in God's truth...and follow Christ!
Put back the tree of knowledge sinlessly under the sun, in good soil, and care for the plant, offer it up to God in thanksgiving, as sinlesly as possible!
Keep your spirit clean!

Ouija board...is not a toy!
And yes it opens another doorway to the spirit rhelm...these spirits are bound down to this reality, and will decieve you!
They will posses you, and make your life a living hell, if you let them into your reality!
I speak this to you as a warning...my Ant became possesed when using a Ouija board...she couldn't speak for months after the ordeal!
And her turning to the church and Christ our Lord, saved her from the demonic possesion!
They truned her into a wild mainiac, a lunitic...that could not speak a word ...all that came out of her were grunts and moans!
The doctors were baffeled...!
But it was her devotion to Christ, and God that saved her!
The power of prayer, and that strong conviction, caused them demons to leave....but I'm sure a dark cloud still hangs over her head for allowing that to happen!
Best not to go there!
I can't think of anything else to quote better than this,to illustrate how I feel.

[Jah420]

i say its all in ur mind man

I just found that so damn hilarious...

everyone's trailing off with these drawn-out spiritual and religious replies.. like.. really insightful and carefully considered..

then you get that

I love it :clap:

[Ganj]

I'm all about openmindedly considering possibilities...

but this sounds more psychological than spiritual...

Is what you connect to external or internal?

He's jacking-in for sure.

[suhl]

I believe as you come closer to the truth and God or that doorway to eternal life with God...the more the demons try to effect your reality!
Like what happened to Christ when he went into the wilderness to find God, and was confronted By Satan offering him Power and riches, if he only worshiped him...
Satan is in the world, and doesn't want us finding that doorway back to paradise , or God!

Subconsciencely the human laws might be playing on your mind!
Knowing it is illegal to have Marijuana, might have some effect on your state of mind, and behavior!
What you believe in, is of the utmost importance when using some of these plants God made!
You have to ground yourself to something true...and protect yourself and your spirit with truth...for there are demons about!

If you cannot control your mind, and body, you should not use the plant!
Knowing the truth will set you free!..there is no darkness unless you believe there is!...it has been conquered by Christ!
Marijuana has no sin!
Marijuana opens doorways in the mind, and connects to the spirit that is hidden inside yourself.
It is important to God, that you know the truth about the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil!...so both are there if you wish to find them!

Christ Said: "The devil is already in the world"
Be careful with yourself...I would burn that Ouija board if I were you!
Nothing good will come from it!
And asking spirits already dead to answer your questions, when the Bible has already done so, is asking to be lead down the wrong pathway!
If their is Evil...then the opposite exists!
Ground yourself in God's truth...and follow Christ!
Put back the tree of knowledge sinlessly under the sun, in good soil, and care for the plant, offer it up to God in thanksgiving, as sinlesly as possible!
Keep your spirit clean!

Ouija board...is not a toy!
And yes it opens another doorway to the spirit rhelm...these spirits are bound down to this reality, and will decieve you!
They will posses you, and make your life a living hell, if you let them into your reality!
I speak this to you as a warning...my Ant became possesed when using a Ouija board...she couldn't speak for months after the ordeal!
And her turning to the church and Christ our Lord, saved her from the demonic possesion!
They truned her into a wild mainiac, a lunitic...that could not speak a word ...all that came out of her were grunts and moans!
The doctors were baffeled...!
But it was her devotion to Christ, and God that saved her!
The power of prayer, and that strong conviction, caused them demons to leave....but I'm sure a dark cloud still hangs over her head for allowing that to happen!
Best not to go there!

nutbar:hippy:

[delusionsofNORMALity]

all one can expect from this friendly herb is an altered way of looking at what you see every day. what you do with that altered perception is entirely up to you. this poor downtrodden plant is neither good nor evil. it is neither a conduit toward the godhead nor a tool of the devil. it is merely another sort of window through which to view the world.

[RedRainDrop]

I've had this feeling STRONGLY whilst on mushrooms..... for awhile i thought they may be the forbidden fruit of today.... but i've learned they are the purest evil, and the purest good formed into one, and when you take them, you perceive good, and evil simultaneously.

Just don't get consumed by this evil, and fight it with positive thoughts of love, friendship, dreams, good memories, and thoughts of wonder.

[Staurm]

If making me feel like I have love for every living creature in the universe, and forgiveness for George Bush's sins is evil, then I am going to hell with a smile of my face.

[zscorpio5281]

First of all, thank you to everyone that replied to the original post. It has been over a year and I appreciate all of the advice you have a given. I have read each and every post and considered what you have had to say.

I think this is an excellent topic and I'm glad people got involved. I still believe there is a spiritual connection when high, I guess maybe your mind can go either direction: good or evil. Yes, it is a mental and psychological experience. Obviously. But where does spirituality come to play? What makes the mind think the way that it does? Am I crazy then if I have dark thoughts? I don't think so.

There is no explanation for it, each person is unique. My situation now is totally different than it was before. I can't even smoke marijuana. Legally. I'm on probation until August 2008, I haven't smoked since October 2005. Ouch. UA's and BA's are bullshit. Alcohol or coke don't even come close to the high I get on weed.

But this experience has been for the better. I'm clear-headed now and found myself a girlfriend. We're living together and the future looks bright. I also got a new job and my financial situation has improved. Not bad for being sober.

So does it suck no being able to smoke? You know the answer to that one. It blows. But on the otherhand, the evil connection is gone and my life is on the upswing. Am I counting down to 8/08? You better believe it. But I'm taking this 'sober' time to create a foundation for this new life of mine.

I will smoke again and for the rest of my life. I love it. But right now I'm good where I'm at and stuff happens for a reason. The spiritual link I have when I smoke will always be there and I'm ready to try again in about a year. Heaven and hell on earth is what I always say.

Thanks again for all the replies.

:weedpoke:

[jsn9333]

Hello all-

(This is my first post so I apologize if this topic has been mentioned before.)

I'm just curious if anyone feels a sense of 'evil' whenever high. [...] So is there a link between marijuana and the devil? I researched this and didn't find too much information, but I guess satanists used marijuana in a ritual to summon the devil/demons way back in the 1700's. And I guess other groups used it sporadically throughout history. Nothing much has been reported on this topic though.

I'm curious because I have felt some sort of connection that I never felt before in my entire life. Thanks everyone.

I'm gonna throw in one more reply. First of all, let me say I'm glad your life is on the 'upswing' and the 'evil connection' is gone. Congratulations!

I'm a Christian who believes the Bible is the source for good theology. I don't know if your background is Christian as well, but I'm going to make a guess that it is since you're referring to the devil and demons.

Whether or not there is a link between cannabis and Satan/evil depends who you talk to. Of course an Atheist would just laugh at you and say, "What devil?" An Agnostic would say, "Don't ask me, how am I supposed to know?" A moral relativist would say, "Evil? There's no such thing as evil." And a Satanist would say, "Follow your evil heart and do whatever it desires."

If you ask me, my answer will be based on the Christian Scriptures, the Bible... not on any particular philosophy or church tradition. I follow the Scriptures, not any particular pope or pastor.

The Bible doesn't mention cannabis clearly. Anyone who says it does is either lying or they are stretching a verse and trying too hard to make it fit their preconceived ideas. But it doesn't have to list every mind-altering substance (and probably couldn't if it wanted to, since the list is huge and is constantly growing as people invent and discover new substances over time). It doesn't have to list them all because... the Bible *does* mention alcohol.

So we can use what it says about that potentially "mental changing" or "mind altering" substance and apply it to other drugs. Its not the perfect analogy since they are very different drugs and alcohol is more dangerous, but since that's the closest we can get... we would be wise to see if we can find any similarities at all in what we know about God's feelings toward alcohol.

The Bible and promotes the moderate use of the substance. However, it also warns against abusing it either by addiction, be it habitual or physical, or by overuse (using too much of it at once until you're out of control and can't walk, think, or function well). In other words, addiction and drunkenness are both sins; they're both "evil".

By that, we can understand that if you are addicted to cannabis (habitually at least... since it usually isn't physically addictive) then you are probably committing a sin. Its a hard question to determine if you're habitually addicted... but try stopping for a week. If you can do that with little or no effort, then you're probably fine. If you get very irritable/angry or extremely frustrated... you should probably cut back. The Bible says we should not be controlled by anything other then God. That means we should be able to maintain our joy in life without depending on some substance to give us that joy.

We can also understand if you're getting "too high", you're probably committing a sin. Do you get high enough to have a moderate buzz, become more creative and/or relaxed, and enjoy the good times and then stop? Or do you get so high you can hardly think and/or function? If you get high to that extreme degree when you smoke, then you probably are committing a sin and need to smoke less. Again, we aren't to be controlled by anything. If you're getting so high that you can't function, they you're giving up control of your mind and body to a foreign substance... and that is a sin (except in the case of medicinal use, as the book of Proverbs mentions in reference to strong liquor).

Any sin (be it drug abuse, adultery, pornography, orgies, homosexuality, lying, cheating, etc.) can be pathways to Satan, or another way to think about it is that those are the pathways he wants you to take to become more like him. He is pure evil. Try to avoid any sin, and it then follows that you would be avoiding Satan as well. If you're a Christian, you can go a step further and try reading your Bible and praying every morning like the example Christ set for us. Pray, like Christ did in his example prayer for us titled 'the Lord's Prayer', for deliverance from evil. Hopefully your thoughts will become more like his, peaceful, wise, and joyful, instead of being inclined towards evil.

We all face temptations and have evil thoughts at times though, that is part of being human. Christians won't be rid of their sinful nature totally until they are made to be like Christ in heaven, with their new body. But the closer we draw to Christ and the more we become like him, the less we are influenced by evil.

Satan is very real. He is nothing to be afraid of, however. His influence in the Christian's life can diminish to next to nothing if we become more and more like Christ. Our own sinful nature is much more dangerous than the external influence of Satan. Try to battle sin as much as possible. With faith in Christ, it will be winning battle.

[Markass]

I don't know what you were feeling, but it was probably harry anslinger...