compact flouro question

[bluntman2006]

i want to grow three plants.i have some bulbs i have three 40w full spectrem superbrite three 26w softwhite bulbs two 40w grow bullbs and three 25w daylight cfls is these enough wattage for the plant i know,i know hps is better but working under budget.also what type of cfls lighting thats good for veg and for flowering:rasta:

[Crispyfried]

Well it's my understanding that fluorescents are fine for veg, but for bloom you need to have a lot of power. I'd guess that those bulbs are fine for bloom if you use them all at the same time. I've got CFLs, but the powerful grow ones that range from 125 watts to 200 watts. My seedling is about a week old, and seems to be doing great under the 125 watt Hydrofarm. If you surround your plants with reflective mylar you can increase the light that reaches your plant quite a lot.

[justaseed]

what you are talking about is 353 watts of cfls. this grow of mine is 358watts of cfls and i usually pull a qp at harvest. you should do nicely!

i might have posted 1 or 2 of those pics before but i just wanted you to see what cfl's can do despite what alot of people say!

[MaryjaneMenehune]

hey justaseed, ive got to say thats a nice looking setup you are running for just some cfl's...
blunt man, if you use between a 4100k and 3500k and enough wattage, you get nice veg growth without any strecthing(run 18/6)...when it comes time to switch over to flowering, you can drop down to the lower end of the spectrum as the redder light waves are better for flowering. (around 2800K or lower on 12/12)

[justaseed]

i use a mix of 2100k - 6700k and get some nice quality buds. not hps buds but my friends still think they kick ass. i keep the 400hps scog for my family!

[J DOG 6000]

You would pull a hell of alot more if you had HPS lights.

[Garden Knowm]

just a seed!!!!!!
nice grow..

question for yu .. when you say you have 350 watts...
are you talking about actual watts or the amount of light the bulbs give off?

For example..
when you buy a cfl, it will say something on the pacage like: it is a 150 watt CFL, that only cosumes 42 watts of electricity...


SO what number are you adding up?

LOVE

: )

[justaseed]

i'm counting actual watts 4 42 watters 1 125watt vitelume and 1 65watt coralife aquarium strip cfl

[bluntman2006]

what you are talking about is 353 watts of cfls. this grow of mine is 358watts of cfls and i usually pull a qp at harvest. you should do nicely!

i might have posted 1 or 2 of those pics before but i just wanted you to see what cfl's can do despite what alot of people say!
loos good what do u have on the wall if i can ask

[bluntman2006]

i use a mix of 2100k - 6700k and get some nice quality buds. not hps buds but my friends still think they kick ass. i keep the 400hps scog for my family!seedaman how u get the screen under the buds like that:thumbsup:

[justaseed]

seedaman how u get the screen under the buds like that:thumbsup:


you don't put the screen under the buds, you put the screen over the plant and let it grow into the screen tying the branches to the screen as they grow.

[justaseed]

seedaman how u get the screen under the buds like that:thumbsup:


you don't put the screen under the buds, you put the screen over the plant and let it grow into the screen tying the branches to the screen as they grow.

that is a 180cfm kitchen exhaust fan from home depot

[bluntman2006]

you don't put the screen under the buds, you put the screen over the plant and let it grow into the screen tying the branches to the screen as they grow.

that is a 180cfm kitchen exhaust fan from home depotthanxs i will assume during the flowering stage,right is that alumium on the wall:thumbsup:

[justaseed]

yes the screen goes on 1-2 weeks before 12/12 begins. i use mylar on the walls. aluminum foil is not a good reflective material for walls. it tends to create hot spots and can cause a laserbeem type effect.

[bluntman2006]

yes the screen goes on 1-2 weeks before 12/12 begins. i use mylar on the walls. aluminum foil is not a good reflective material for walls. it tends to create hot spots and can cause a laserbeem type effect.WOW! Thanks, I didn't know that. The mylar makes it look like it is giving you 1000 or more lumens. Where do you get that from and who do you trust to get seeds from? :confused:

[justaseed]

they have mylar at any hydro shop. i used to get my seeds from rc so i can't help there.

[BkSkillz]

justa really admire your grows and space restrictions i myself am in the mist of my first grow as we speak maybe you could drop by my thread its in the closet cabinet section of the site give me a couple pointers i myself amusing only cfls for this grow but way fewer about 150w for 5 plants begun flowering at about 7" in height and am lsting them all the way...

[justaseed]

thank you vey much for the compliments but it's not that hard. i'm sure your grow will work out nicely as well!

[sheist]

is it 358w durin veg or during flower? or is it 358w from veg-flower throughout??

[justaseed]

i have a separate veg room that grows enough plants for all 3 flower chambers i have. the veg chamber has 8 4ft t12 argosun fullspectum flouros for a total of 320watts. i can grow 8 plants to this size in it:

[sheist]

so the room in the pic is the veg room?

[J DOG 6000]

I need to turn my closet into a mother room.How many watts of cfl do I need for a 4 by 4 closet.They have 150 watt cfl's at HD for 10 bucks.(40 watt fixture)
I'll be mothering from clones.:stoned:

[turtle420]

I need to turn my closet into a mother room.How many watts of cfl do I need for a 4 by 4 closet.They have 150 watt cfl's at HD for 10 bucks.(40 watt fixture)
I'll be mothering from clones.:stoned:
Dude, Garden uses like 14 CFLs per plant.... so be carefull with his advice, or you'll have to buy CFLs by the truck-loads.

But, I wanted to ask you:
How many plants do you have? Are you going to fill all that 4x4 space with mothers? Yikes man...

Are you bent on CFLs... no HIDs? Not even a tiny little itsy bitsy 150W MH?

:) Best, jDog,

-turtle420 :cool:
.

[justaseed]

so the room in the pic is the veg room?
the pics are of my vegging plants but they are in my living room for the pics. the pics in the previous post with the scroggs are the flower rooms

[Garden Knowm]

Dude, Garden uses like 14 CFLs per plant.... so be carefull with his advice, or you'll have to buy CFLs by the truck-loads.

But, I wanted to ask you:
How many plants do you have? Are you going to fill all that 4x4 space with mothers? Yikes man...

Are you bent on CFLs... no HIDs? Not even a tiny little itsy bitsy 150W MH?

:) Best, jDog,

-turtle420 :cool:
.

SMOKE KAK

i love you

[turtle420]

SMOKE KAK

i love you
Hmmm.... love you too hun :)

[bluntman2006]

Hmmm.... love you too hun :)sorry guys just have some questions. justaseed can i do the tie down even though i started flowering and will that control height also ,correct?

[justaseed]

sorry i've been at the phil shows in nyc for the last 2 days. anyway, yes you can tie your plants down to control the height all the way to finish if you need to without any problems.

[bluntman2006]

sorry i've been at the phil shows in nyc for the last 2 days. anyway, yes you can tie your plants down to control the height all the way to finish if you need to without any problems.thanx

[bluntman2006]

OK gals and boys heres day 15 of flowering,u like or not like u be the judge:thumbsup:

[bluntman2006]

heres a better pic of the same plant but,a better view I think

[justaseed]

looking good! got a little nute burn though, be careful, you're pushing the envelope when the tips begin to burn like that. as long as that is all it's fine, some growers use that as a way to tell when they have given enough ferts. i personally don't use that much but others do. they are looking great for day 15, keep up the good work!

[bluntman2006]

I'm still having a little nute burn but not to the extreme.So far Ive been feeding with clean water,I didn't want to flush the soil out cause I figured just feeding with just water will do the job over time.My next nute feeding will be more diluted.Being a first time grower u going to have that problem.Im learning thanks to u guys:thumbsup:here's an update on my girls.Qike frankly Im disappointed with the cfls due to my,"post a flowering pic"thread I see the differences between compact fluorescent and hps,HPS rule over all for flowering Sorry cfls lovers I will be getting an hps soon,real soon!We'll here's day 20 of flowering under 350w cfls

[bluntman2006]

I'm still having a little nute burn but not to the extreme.So far Ive been feeding with clean water,I didn't want to flush the soil out cause I figured just feeding with just water will do the job over time.My next nute feeding will be more diluted.Being a first time grower u going to have that problem.Im learning thanks to u guys:thumbsup:here's an update on my girls.Qike frankly Im disappointed with the cfls due to my,"post a flowering pic"thread I see the differences between compact fluorescent and hps,HPS rule over all for flowering Sorry cfls lovers I will be getting an hps soon,real soon!We'll here's day 20 of flowering under 350w cflswith updates comin:pimp:

[trippruss]

better off w/a MH, but if it is an $ issue then an hps will help out in a pinch. best light overall is MH, HPS coming a distant second followed by floro's. watts are watts, but penetration of those watts equal more/better buds. a 40w shop light bulb needs to touch the plant to be effective, same with cfl's. 1000w MH will penetrate 3ft into the "brush", once you flower with 1000w you will never go with anything less, believe me. r

[justaseed]

better off w/a MH, but if it is an $ issue then an hps will help out in a pinch. best light overall is MH, HPS coming a distant second followed by floro's. watts are watts, but penetration of those watts equal more/better buds. a 40w shop light bulb needs to touch the plant to be effective, same with cfl's. 1000w MH will penetrate 3ft into the "brush", once you flower with 1000w you will never go with anything less, believe me. r

hps is much better for flowering then mh. mh is better for veg though. the best lighting (other than the sun) you can give your plants is a full spectrum light which is hps and mh bulbs burning side by side. if for some reason i had to use only 1 bulb it would definetely be the hps! i would definetely say the hps is a distant second to mh. they are both hid lighting just different spectrums.

[justaseed]

i just reread the last post. the second to last sentence is supposed to read "i would definetely NOT say the hps is a distant second to mh." i forgot the not.

[elcheapo]

Nice going so far bluntman. I think CFL grows require a little more skill as they don't have much of a margin for error. Light penetration is lacking so you need to expose as many bud making tips as possible. Justaseed has this down to a fine art as you can see. But with careful pruning and/or LST you can still grow fantastic plants. I believe keeping CFLs too close and/or using the wrong light spectrums cause the plant to become too stocky therefore shading the lower bud sites. Itâ??s a fine art to get the right amount of stretching to produce larger main buds vs. keeping the plant short enough for lumens to penetrate the lower buds. Reducing light leaks, reducing the amount of light absorbing materials and using highly reflective materials like mylar are a must.
Obviously justaseed's scrog demonstrates the ideal conditions to use CFLs but some of us just aren't that creative. :)
Justaseed you need to do a start to finish scrog thread. I'm sure it will be FAQ worthy.
I believe that lessons learned gaining more yield from CFL grows could drastically improve yields from HID light grows.

[trippruss]

mh is better than hps hands down. tighter buds more like the real sun. this debate has been settled time & again. r

[Jdog7000]

Ya ,but this argument has been settled that HPS is better then MH for flower.Ask anyone other then you!True both is ideal,but if you have to choose HPS has the red spectrum needed to flower thick dense buds.MH will give good results too but not as good as HPS period ,end of discussion.
Turtle, do you have a 150 watt MH I can use because that would be much better then CFL's?
By the way the closet is more like 2x 4 feet.And yes I'm cloning everyone Of my females ,so I can choose which ones to keep after harvest.You'll understand once you get a little more experience.I have about 10 different strains ,5 are from seed so gonna need to keep the best Mom's from the seed stock and then clone the clones to mother them.Simple.
I grow for 3 med patients so I am able to have quite a few plants.I'd rather not discuss that.

[Garden Knowm]

mh is better than hps hands down. tighter buds more like the real sun. this debate has been settled time & again. r


you're tripping..

love

Le me get this straight,... you are saying.. that MEtal Halide is better than HPS... for flowering...?


IF so.. if this is what you are saying, then your definittion of better is different than MINE...

Better means... Tighter nodes, big buds, denser buds, more YIELD..

Thus HPS is ot just better!!! IT DOMINATES..... no comparison...
love

[justaseed]

Justaseed you need to do a start to finish scrog thread. I'm sure it will be FAQ worthy.
.
el cheapo,
this is my 400hps scrog thread
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=52326

you are totally right about all the drawbacks of cfls, but scrog seems to negate most of the problems. personally i don't know why anyone with limited space/lighting would do anything but scrog(maybe sog). i have been doing scrog since my second grow. you can get great yeilds from small spaces with limited light. i am currently helping my brother convert a fishtank stand measuring 2ft wide x 2ft deep x 3 ft high(aprox.) to a scrog cab. we will be using a 70hps and 2 42watt cfls and for ventillation a 80cfm bathroom exhaust fan($12 at hd). he should be able to get at least 3 oz from this set-up! i got 4oz steadily from a similar set-up that had the same lighting and 2 more 42 watt cfl's(70hps and 4 42watt cfls total)

[bluntman2006]

Hi everyone glad to see y'all OK now and sorry for those who are not.I read some threads I thought that you kick this site to the curb Ty for doing,not!AND post Y'all PIcs!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

[bluntman2006]

Day 29 of flowering and day 3 under the hps 400w light.how they look

[bluntman2006]

Day 29 of flowering and day 3 under the hps 400w light.how they lookhow much yield will from two plants under 400w hps

[bluntman2006]

what! u cant answer my questions now y'all

[bluntman2006]

what! u cant answer my questions now y'allwell 52 days into flowering under the 400w hps too bad i didn't start flowering with it from the beginning.Im a beginner who learned from my mistake.I would have had way more yield if I would have began flowering under hps. here are the girls seems like i have week left i thing until harvest its been a long road :thumbsup:

[bluntman2006]

well 52 days into flowering under the 400w hps too bad i didn't start flowering with it from the beginning.Im a beginner who learned from my mistake.I would have had way more yield if I would have began flowering under hps. here are the girls seems like i have week left i thing until harvest its been a long road :thumbsup:I see I forgot the pics here they are

[bluntman2006]

yup

[turtle420]

yup
They look good man...

[bluntman2006]

They look good man...thanx turtle:thumbsup:

[sheist]

how many plants did u give the 350w at that time???

[bluntman2006]

how many plants did u give the 350w at that time???i planted five bag seeds at the beginning then one was a little weak and one was a male so i end up with three female :thumbsup: