Chinese General Warns May Nuke Hundreds of US Cities

[pisshead]

iran that has no nukes is the threat. china, that has a couple hundred nukes pointed at our most populated cities and threatening to attack us...eh, no big deal...

Chinese General Warns May Nuke Hundreds of US Cities
Guardian | July 16, 2005 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5240632-108142,00.html)
By Jonathan Watts

COMMENT:
Oh how bottomless the Memory Hole is. Less than a year ago a representative of the Chinese government declared pubicly that China could destroy hundreds of US cities at a moments notice. It was allowed to be forgotten as soon as it was released but the manufactured threat of Iran is being paraded in front of the viewing public non-stop. The Bush Administration and the Media at large have been pushing and inflating the Iran "Nuke" threat when the "nukes" in question are peaceful nuclear reactors for use in supplying affordable energy to the people of Iran.
China is brandishing its biggest guns in our faces and they are ignored. Iran wants to give its people a reliable energy source and we threaten to attack them. There is no evidence that they have any intention of making weapons and they are a front page threat. China has one of the biggest nuclear arsenals in the world and is flaunting it and no one seems to be concerned.
The source of the disconnect is entirely transparent. Iran sits on a strategic resource and is a smaller, easier target which happened to be in the NeoCon's sights from the beginning anyway. Take a look back down the Memory Hole and remember how the "evidence" was created to support a strike on Iraq and you will see the same pattern with Iran. These guys are one trick ponies and we are all bearing witness to their obvious trickery all over again.


A senior Chinese general has warned that his country could destroy hundreds of American cities with nuclear weapons if the two nations clashed over Taiwan.

Major general Zhu Chenghu, a dean at the National Defence University, said he was expressing a private opinion, but his comments, the most inflammatory by a senior government official in 10 years, will fuel growing concerns in Washington about the rise of China.

Speaking at a lecture arranged by the foreign ministry and attended by several foreign correspondents on Thursday, Mr Zhu said China was prepared to initiate non-conventional warfare over Taiwan. "War logic dictates that a weaker power needs to use maximum efforts to defeat a stronger rival," he was reported as saying by the New York Times.

"If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons."

Echoing threats last made in 1995, Mr Zhu, who has a reputation as a hawk in Chinese military circles, said his country was ready to sustain heavy casualties in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and other heavily populated areas.

"We Chinese will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian," he said. "Of course, the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."

Although Mr Zhu said war was unlikely, his proposal that China should adopt a first-strike nuclear option against the US will alarm the Pentagon.
China tested its first atomic bomb in 1964, but it claims that its arsenal of nuclear weapons is the smallest among the five nations on the UN security council.
According to a recent article in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, China has only 18 intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to the US mainland. Most sit in their silos unarmed.

However, US intelligence predicts that over the next 15 years, China will expand its IBM force to 75-100 strategic nuclear warheads targeted primarily at the US. They will be mounted on a new mobile solid-fuel rocket, the Dong Feng-31, and, possibly, miniaturised for launch from China's submarine fleet.

The US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, recently expressed concern about Beijing's growing military power. Such strategic fears come at a time of rising Sino-American tensions over the bilateral trade deficit and competition for global energy resources.

The Chinese government refused to comment on Mr Zhu's statement, but in recent weeks the state-run media has carried several articles rebutting US claims about a military build-up. Earlier this month, Major General Ding Jiye, head of the finance office of the People's Liberation Army, said the 12.6% rise in defence spending this year was in line with economic growth and was mainly used to improve the living conditions of soldiers.

The China Daily, the English-language paper aimed at an overseas audience, focused on the planned reduction of 200,000 military personnel from the 2.5 million-strong army by the end of this year.

Analysts say China has learned from the collapse of the Soviet Union that it would be economic suicide to attempt an arms race with the US.

But there are still risks of a clash over Taiwan, a self-governing island that China considers part of its territory and the US has vowed to protect.
The president of the European commission, José Manuel Barroso, urged his hosts yesterday to resume dialogue with Taiwan before 2008.

"This will also greatly advance China's international standing and reputation as a global player with a particular responsibility for peace and security in east Asia," said Mr Barroso, who was on his first official trip to China.

[Euphoric]

Is this a cold war?

[Breukelen advocaat]

Is this a cold war?

It's not a cold war, or any war at all. Zhu Chenghu is simply stating that they are prepared to use nuclear weapons if the United States starts a war with them over Taiwan. I don't agree with the way they run their country, or communism in general, but it's not our problem as long as they don't bother us. They're just too big to do much about.

[Psycho4Bud]

Less than a year ago a representative of the Chinese government declared pubicly that China could destroy hundreds of US cities at a moments notice. It was allowed to be forgotten as soon as it was released but the manufactured threat of Iran is being paraded in front of the viewing public non-stop. The Bush Administration and the Media at large have been pushing and inflating the Iran "Nuke" threat when the "nukes" in question are peaceful nuclear reactors for use in supplying affordable energy to the people of Iran.

Iran just wants affordable energy for the people....WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!! Ya know what the difference between China and Iran is? JIHAD, MARTYRDOM!!! While the Chinese value life the Iranians feel that death is just as good. The Chinese also know that as soon as they press a button we'll unleash hell on earth on their lil' asses!

Now why shouldn't we trust the Iranians with nukes??? :confused:

Good ol' Alex Jones should use some of that video money and buy a jaws of life to extract his head from his ass!:thumbsup:

[bonsaiguy]

While the Chinese value life:

Psycho, you want to think that one through a bit more. Huge abortion rate in China which is "not quite but almost" forced by the govt. not to mention their problems with child labor, or any labor for that matter. Chinese govt has a long and glorious history of human rights abuses. They easily give the middle eastern whack jobs a run for their money on that issue. And what the hell, let Iran have some nukes. They'll only get one chance to use one, (probably on Israel or Iraq) and then our middle east problems will be over and done with and in a few dozen years, when the radiation levels drop off, we can come in and take all the oil we want. Ok, a little collateral damage... so we get a little excited, overreact and take out Iraq, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Afghanistan, Palestine and the rest of them as well over there...oops...sorry. Minor cockup on the communications front. Bit too much static on the ole wireless. "I could have sworn he said Fire".

Probably pretty much eliminate out little terrorist issue in the process. Bonus!!

[pisshead]

yeah, forced abortions = they value life...but hey, china is the UN's model country, the direction that america is headed...

Slave Labor: Made in the U.S.A. (Excerpt)
by William Norman Grigg
February 6, 2006
http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/article_3116.shtml

Under the influence of disgraced super-lobbyist Jack Abramoff, former House Majority Whip Tom DeLay became an apologist for slave labor camps â?? on American soil.

Deep in a humid tropical island jungle, in poorly ventilated buildings ringed with barbed wire and patrolled by armed guards, impoverished Asian women â?? most of them Chinese â?? toil for 80 hours a week making brand-name apparel for export to the United States.

The female garment workers were lured to the labor camps, which are run by members of the Chinese Communist Party, with promises of wages extravagant by their standards, up to 60 percent of what their counterparts in the U.S. earn. But before they were hired, the women had to sign â??shadow contractsâ?� that effectively made them slaves to the company. Their activities are strictly regimented, and since they depend on the company store for most of their necessities, what they earn is recycled back into company hands. Furthermore, most of the workers had to borrow huge sums of money, at extortionate rates of interest, to pay, up front, the human traffickers responsible for transporting them to the island.

As is the case wherever the Chinese Communist Party claims jurisdiction, the female garment workers are subject to the regimeâ??s repulsive one-child policy. They are forbidden to marry or have boyfriends. Those who become pregnant are forced to have their children aborted.

Despite being produced from Chinese fabric by Chinese laborers who labor under Chinese law, the designer clothing that emerges from those island factories is labeled â??Made in the USA.â?� This is actually a case of truth in labeling, since these Chinese labor camps were established on Saipan, a territorial possession of the United States. Thanks to the efforts of super-lobbyist and confessed felon Jack Abramoff, this squalid arrangement has enjoyed political protection from, and been effusively praised by, many â??conservativeâ?� Republican politicians, including disgraced former House GOP leader Tom DeLay.

GOP Chinagate

The Northern Mariana Islands, a Pacific archipelago located about three-quarters of the way from Hawaii to the Philippines, were acquired by the United States from Japan following World War II. Saipan, the largest of the 14 Marianas, serves as capital of the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI) and the center of its $1 billion garment industry.

During the mid-1990s, Saipan was also a very popular tourist destination for junketeering congressmen, as well as for journalists, analysts for Washington-based think tanks, and other key opinion molders. Many of them were brought to Saipan by Jack Abramoff, who until recently was the King of K Street â?? the boulevard that serves as a staging base for the estimated 50,000 lobbyists infesting our nationâ??s Capitol.

Since Saipan is a tropical white-sand paradise, Abramoff, representing the CNMI, encountered little difficulty persuading influential people to take all-expenses-paid trips to the tropical island. Once there, they were lobbied by the CNMI government and its allies in the garment industry to preserve its unique status under U.S. law. Among the privileges reserved to the commonwealth were the right to set its own immigration policy, exemption from labor and workplace safety regulations, exemptions from tariffs and quotas, and the right to label as â??Made in the USAâ?� goods that are manufactured by Chinese workers in factories that are, in effect, pockets of Chinese sovereignty.

â??There is no doubt that trips to the CNMI are one of the most effective ways to build permanent friends on the Hill and among policy makers in Washington,â?� boasted Abramoff in a 1998 memo to his associates. Perhaps the most significant of the â??friendsâ?� cultivated by Abramoff on behalf of CNMI was former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas). In the company of Abramoff, DeLay spent his 1998 New Yearâ??s vacation on Saipan as a personal guest of Chinese business mogul Tan Siu-lin.

During a lavish New Yearâ??s Eve dinner held in his honor at the beach front Hyatt Regency Hotel, DeLay praised Saipan as â??my Galapagos Island â?¦ a perfect petri dish of capitalism.â?� He singled out Froilan Tenorio, at the time the CNMIâ??s governor, praising him for being â??a shining light for what is happening in the Republican Party, and [for representing] everything that is good about what weâ??re trying to do in America, in leading the world in the free market system.â?�

While DeLay never distinguished himself as an economist or scholar, itâ??s likely that he understood that selectively exempting politically protected manufacturers from regulations and taxes is corporatism, not free-market capitalism. Itâ??s likewise a safe bet that he understood that a free market is not built on slave labor. And as one of the most conspicuous leaders of the Christian Right, DeLay certainly understood that abortion â?? particularly forced abortion â?? is an abomination. Yet all of these repellent practices thrived in the Saipan â??petri dishâ?� that so enchanted DeLay.

Had DeLay and the scores of other congressmen who visited Saipan on junkets been truly interested in deregulation, they would have directed their efforts at freeing up the entire U.S. manufacturing sector, rather than conferring such favors on Saipan alone. The sordid truth revealed in this episode is that the power brokers have corrupted our political system to such an extent that it now operates in many ways like a classic protection racket. By giving the political class a share of the boodle, the CNMI and its corporate allies were able to profit handsomely â?? as was the key influence broker, Jack Abramoff....


To continue reading the complete article, place an online order for a PDF version of the February 6th issue of The New American, and get instant access to the full-text of this article along with the full-text of all the other articles in the same issue. Similarly, if you place an online order for one or more copies of the print version of the February 6th issue, you'll receive a complimentary link to the PDF version of that issue, also giving you instant access to the full-text of the "Slave Labor: Made in the U.S.A." article and all of the other articles in that issue.

[Myth1184]

You forgot about the AIDS problem in China also. And how the hell is China the Model Country for the UN? How is the US heading in that direction? Or is that what your Prisonplanet is telling you?

[F L E S H]

Let the demonizing begin...

"they're powerful, who'd have thought... Quick, let's make sure everyone hates them for no reason!"

Yeah, but nobody should ask the question why the US is the only country "allowed" to have nukes. I don't trust Bush with nukes any more than I trust China or Iran.

[Fengzi]

As usual, a lot of crap posted by people who have absolutely no knowledge of China except for what they read or hear from our sensationalistic media. Except for Psycho and Flesh that is, the regular voices of reason.

The fuss made over General Zhu's comments is laughable. All he was saying was that if we think we can bomb the shit out of them without any retaliation we are wrong. China is not Iraq or Afghanistan, they are not completely powerless, they won't just sit back while we destroy them. The problem is that China has no way of projecting any conventional force very far beyond it's borders. It has no blue water navy to speak of and can't park a bunch of carriers off our coast. It can't send troops into Mexico or set up air force bases in Canada. Basically they have no other way to fight back, no other deterrent, other than to nuke us. All Zhu was doing was reminding us of that fact. Now I know we're all good flag waving patriots but do we really expect that every other country in the worls should just let us destroy them without a fight??

Psycho is correct, the Chinese do value life. The whole "forced abortion" issue has been blown way out of proportion here in the U.S. and very few people really know what is going on over there. Our media seizes upon a few random stories, from who knows when, and projects that image onto the entire country. Well, here are a few actual facts:

-China does have a one child policy. That is the law and it is well known. Before you disagree with this policy go and spend some time in Shanghai and see what a city with over 14 million people is like, Now imagine if all those people were having 3-4 kids instead of just one.

-Before you get married you have to sign a contract stating that you understand this and will abide by this. So, it's not a surprise to anyone. I, a White American, was married in China and had to sign this form too. Otherwise, I couldn't have gotten married.

-Recently, China has realized that, in a few decades, it will not have enough young people to support its aging population. So now, it has been decided that if a couple is made up of two only children, that couple can have two children.

-China has a large population of "minorities", people who are very similar to the Hill Tribe People of northern Thailand. The Chinese government treats these people the way the U.S. Government should treat our Native Americans. They are largely responsible for determining and enforcing their own laws. These people can have as many children as they want. No restrictions.

- Actual cases of women being dragged into a clinic and forced to have an abortion are few and far between. 20-25 years ago, when China was just coming out of the Cultural Revolution, this may have been more common but not so much now. China is a big country, however, with a rugged landscape. there are a lot of isolated towns and villages that are run by corrupt politicians with a bit too much gusto for the old days. Modern day cases of forced abortions most likely come from these areas. They are not actually sanctioned by the Chinese Govt itself. I will admit, however, that the Chinese Gov't does tend to look the other way when it happens and this needs to stop.

-In most cases if a woman becomes pregnant with a 2nd child the family must pay a large fine. The fine is an enormous amount for most Chinese and will essentially ruin them. If the woman has an abortion, however, they do not have to pay. Bottom line, whether or not we agree with the law, it is the law and the couple has broken it. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

-And finally...I actually know a couple, friends of my wife from college, who illegally had a 2nd child. The woman was not dragged in for a forced abortion and the baby was not killed as soon as it was born. Instead, they were forced to pay a fine of about US$30K. Fortunately, for them, they are among Shanghai's new wealthy and they just considered the fine to be the cost of the child, like buying a new car.

So yeah, the one child policy is pretty fucked up for those Chinese who want to have more than one child. Enforcement of it is far from perfect and can ruin some people's lives. But it is a far cry from what our media would have us believe. And, given China's massive population, you don't need to stay there very long before you realize that some form of population control isn't such a bad idea.

Again, this needs repeating: Much of what we hear about regarding China from our media is blown way out of proportion. Our media, in order to generate more advertising $, needs news that is sensationalistic. The truth is often boring and boring does not sell. A good Villan sells, however, and right now China is the villan of choice. So, they find isolated incidents and apply them to the whole country, fail to mention the whole story, and spoon feed us bullshit to perpetuate their myths. Just think how we would look to other countries if their media did the same??

[nicholasstanko]

Iran just wants affordable energy for the people....WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!! Ya know what the difference between China and Iran is? JIHAD, MARTYRDOM!!! While the Chinese value life the Iranians feel that death is just as good. The Chinese also know that as soon as they press a button we'll unleash hell on earth on their lil' asses!

Now why shouldn't we trust the Iranians with nukes??? :confused:

Good ol' Alex Jones should use some of that video money and buy a jaws of life to extract his head from his ass!:thumbsup:


Psycho, the Chinese believe in one thing, while the iranians believe in another. what's the difference? I know that death can be quite unpleasant, but do you think that the people who blow their own brains out think that life is just dandy?

It's how you look at it.

I think that this "nuclear war" scenario is just a farce. China would never launch nukes at america. It makes no sense unless they know how to sell green glass as real estate.

Nobody is going to launch nukes anywhere, it's all mumbo jumbo like africanised bees and Y2k.

[Psycho4Bud]

Psycho, the Chinese believe in one thing, while the iranians believe in another. what's the difference? I know that death can be quite unpleasant, but do you think that the people who blow their own brains out think that life is just dandy?

It's an honor to do it for Allah. You are promised great riches and many virgins in the other life for martyrdom....that's the difference.

It's how you look at it.

I think that this "nuclear war" scenario is just a farce. China would never launch nukes at america. It makes no sense unless they know how to sell green glass as real estate.

China wouldn't.....Iran would!

Nobody is going to launch nukes anywhere, it's all mumbo jumbo like africanised bees and Y2k.

Y2K was a joke...like China. The bees are like Iran, a reality!
http://www.everythingabout.net/articles/biology/animals/arthropods/insects/bees/killer_bee/

Don't think you have any worries in Canada though....just a bit cold up there!:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

You forgot about the AIDS problem in China also. And how the hell is China the Model Country for the UN? How is the US heading in that direction? Or is that what your Prisonplanet is telling you?


Just sounds all good in the retoric! Builds to the story and eventually releases a new video for profit.

The great libertarian shock jock from Prisonplanet doesn't have time to tell the story of Steve Kubby. Wouldn't sell as much I guess!
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-me-kubby1feb01,0,2685864.story?coll=la-headlines-politics

[daves19]

Again, this needs repeating: Much of what we hear about regarding China from our media is blown way out of proportion. Our media, in order to generate more advertising $, needs news that is sensationalistic. The truth is often boring and boring does not sell. A good Villan sells, however, and right now China is the villan of choice. So, they find isolated incidents and apply them to the whole country, fail to mention the whole story, and spoon feed us bullshit to perpetuate their myths. Just think how we would look to other countries if their media did the same??


Alleluia! CNN did the same with canada, them fuckers....always out of proportion to keep sell...oh true you already said ! man you removed the words from my mouth...standing ovation or you!

they are doing the same with pot actually!

[Psycho4Bud]

As usual, a lot of crap posted by people who have absolutely no knowledge of China except for what they read or hear from our sensationalistic media. Except for Psycho and Flesh that is, the regular voices of reason.

LOL...I'll be damned!! Hey pissy, put that in your pipe and smoke it!!:stoned: :rasta: :thumbsup:

[nicholasstanko]

LOL...I'll be damned!! Hey pissy, put that in your pipe and smoke it!!:stoned: :rasta: :thumbsup:


i was shocked, to say the least.

[Fengzi]

LOL...I'll be damned!! Hey pissy, put that in your pipe and smoke it!!:stoned: :rasta: :thumbsup:

Don't get too exited Psycho. I still have a problem that you seem to approve of the fact that we have an absolute moron running the country :o But when it comes to the question of China nuking us, you, FLESH, and even Nich all understand that China isn't run by a bunch of suicidal little red demons with itchy fingers poised over the button. Other folks, who will remain nameless;) can't seem to see this. Then again, those same people think the U.S. has plans for allowing the Chinese and Mexican armies in to our coutry to provide a police force. LOL

[Psycho4Bud]

Don't get too exited Psycho. I still have a problem that you seem to approve of the fact that we have an absolute moron running the country

Name me one politician, lawer, etc...that isn't a self ritious moronic bitch? Look up past posts, I have made it very clear on the Bush I love!!:thumbsup:

[Fengzi]

Name me one politician, lawer, etc...that isn't a self ritious moronic bitch? :

Umm.....?????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????

Psycho bad, Psycho make Fengzi's head hurt:(

[eg420ne]

Don't get too exited Psycho. I still have a problem that you seem to approve of the fact that we have an absolute moron running the country :o But when it comes to the question of China nuking us, you, FLESH, and even Nich all understand that China isn't run by a bunch of suicidal little red demons with itchy fingers poised over the button. Other folks, who will remain nameless;) can't seem to see this. Then again, those same people think the U.S. has plans for allowing the Chinese and Mexican armies in to our coutry to provide a police force. LOL
Well hell dude Mexican soldiers have been crossing the borders....... Our own government tells the BP not to fight but to hide....and pyscho only likes the war not bush, Gw that is...

[pisshead]

my point was that iran is no threat to us and we have to bomb the shit out them, yet an almost top chinese general says he'll nuke 200 of our cities if we get involved in their affairs...and that's just peachy.

i'll just forget the jailing of political dissidents, torture of falun gong practitioners, forced slave labor camps, rampant internet censorship, brutal forced abortions and one child policies...i see now, we should try to model ourselves after china. unless none of that exists?...and i need to put a filter on that tells me china is wonderful?

i hardly see anything that bad about china in the mainstream news or tv...i see plenty of china worship.

thanks.

[Psycho4Bud]

Well hell dude Mexican soldiers have been crossing the borders.

Some Apache helicoptors are definately in line for that situation!

...... Our own government tells the BP not to fight but to hide.

They SHOULD be getting military support of ALL types!!

...and pyscho only likes the war not bush, Gw that is...

I don't "like" the war, just agree with it. And I don't "like" Bush...I love it...not G.W.!! LOL:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

my point was that iran is no threat to us and we have to bomb the shit out them, yet an almost top chinese general says he'll nuke 200 of our cities if we get involved in their affairs...and that's just peachy.

i'll just forget the jailing of political dissidents, torture of falun gong practitioners, forced slave labor camps, rampant internet censorship, brutal forced abortions and one child policies...i see now, we should try to model ourselves after china. unless none of that exists?...and i need to put a filter on that tells me china is wonderful?

i hardly see anything that bad about china in the mainstream news or tv...i see plenty of china worship.

thanks.

Sounds like a neo-con wanting to push a button!

GO PISSY!!!

[eg420ne]

China is greeeeeeeeeeat Ya they threaten America but dont let Iran say anything about the west,,,,Really if China had said the Holocaust never happened or a myth every1 would say "Thats there right and every1 is entitled to there own opinion" and it would just go down the memory hole...:thumbsup: .

[Psycho4Bud]

With 10,000,000 civilian deaths and 4,000,000 military deaths I don't think the Chinese would argue about holocosts. It amazes me at how little their loss is really discussed...or made issue of today.

[Fengzi]

China is greeeeeeeeeeat Ya they threaten America but dont let Iran say anything about the west,,,,Really if China had said the Holocaust never happened or a myth every1 would say "Thats there right and every1 is entitled to there own opinion" and it would just go down the memory hole...:thumbsup: .

China did not threaten America. Jesus Christ, why can't people understand this? In what context was General Zhu's comment made? Does anyone here really know? What if he was asked a direct question: 'What would China do if..?" In that case he was just responding to a question. What was he suposed to say " Well, if the U.S attacks I guess we'll just all kiss George Bush's ass and start eating Texas bbq" ? And why is it such a surprise that China might actually have plans for using nukes? Let me break it to ya, the U.S. has plans for nuking China too. Probably hundreds of different plans for every imaginable scenario. Duh..

As far as China saying the Holocust never happened, well, you're probably right there. If they did we wouldn't do anything, Japan is proof of that. Japan committed unbelievable atrocities in China and Korea during WWII. They deny it and even re-write their history books but we say nothing.

[Psycho4Bud]

As far as China saying the Holocust never happened, well, you're probably right there. If they did we wouldn't do anything, Japan is proof of that. Japan committed unbelievable atrocities in China and Korea during WWII. They deny it and even re-write their history books but we say nothing.

HELL YES!!! The western world SHOULD step up to the plate and tell it like it is!! Kind of shows where the Japanese mind set is still at.:mad:

[eg420ne]

Some news items i had saved....I dont care what any1 saids China is a threat just like Russia & the middle east...and our opened borders, I guess im an extremist and should be taken to a FEMA camp for reedumacation--lol:stoned:

newsmax.com
China Is a Threat to America
Charles R. Smith
Thursday, March 14, 2002
Chinese Weapons Development and Sales Are Directed Against the U.S.
China is angry at the United States. The communist Chinese government unsuccessfully pressed the Bush administration to deny permission for Taiwan's defense minister, Tang Yiau-ming, to attend an arms conference in Florida.

On Monday, Tang met with U.S. Deputy Undersecretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz while visiting the U.S. defense industry conference. As a result of that meeting, the communist Chinese are furious.

"We express our strong dissatisfaction and indignation," stated Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Sun Yuxi.

"We believe it will not only foster the arrogance of Taiwan independence forces, it will also damage Chinese-American relations and cross-strait ties," said Sun.

Communist spokesman Sun also noted that China was "deeply shocked" by a recently declassified report that named China as one of six possible nations that could face nuclear strikes from America. Sun stated that China was seeking an "official" explanation of the report from Washington. Sun emphasized that China is a peace-loving nation.

The U.S.-Chinese 'Bilateral Military Relationship'

Many in the U.S. press, academia and political structure characterize China as our "strategic partner," a nation with similar goals and views as the United States. The U.S. policy of appeasement, that China is a peaceful giant, was documented in the official correspondence of Clinton Defense Secretary William Perry.

In a 1995 letter to Chinese General Ding Henggao, U.S. Secretary of Defense Perry wrote that "advancing the military relationship between our two nations remains an objective which we agree serves the long-term interests of peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific Region."

Perry wrote quite clearly that the Clinton administration wanted close ties to Beijing by "reiterating my support for our bilateral military relationship."

Less than six months after Perry's offer for a "bilateral military relationship," the People's Liberation Army launched a simulated nuclear attack against the two largest cities in Taiwan. In 1996, the PLA Second Artillery Corps fired dummy missile warheads only a few miles off the Taiwanese coast.

The 1996 missile crisis nearly started World War III. The Clinton administration had to respond to Beijing's threat to start a nuclear war in the Straits of Taiwan. Clinton's reaction was to send in the U.S. Navy and our aircraft carriers.

Chinese Plans for Nuclear War With the U.S.

The Chinese military took quick notice of the U.S. carriers, and in 1999 the communist army Office of the Central Military Command wrote a report on future nuclear combat with the United States.

"China is not only a big country, but also possesses a nuclear arsenal that has long since been incorporated into the state warfare system and played a real role in our national defense," states the Chinese military commission report.

"During last crisis across the Taiwan Straits, the U.S. tried to blackmail us with their aircraft carrier(s), but when their spy satellites confirmed that our four nuclear submarines which used to be stationed at Lushun Harbor had disappeared, those politicians addicted to the Taiwan card could not imagine how worried their military commanders were," notes the Chinese army report.

"In comparison with the U.S. nuclear arsenal, our disadvantage is mainly numeric, while in real wars the qualitative gap will be reflected only as different requirements of strategic theory. In terms of deterrence, there is not any difference in practical value. So far we have built up the capability for the second and the third nuclear strikes and are fairly confident in fighting a nuclear war. The PCC has decided to pass through formal channels this message to the top leaders of the U.S. This is one of the concrete measures that we will take to prevent the escalation of war in the spirit of being responsible."

Chinese General Wants to Nuke L.A.

There is little question that China is "responsible" when it comes to nuclear war. Since 1996, the Chinese army has not stopped its acts of atomic-tipped aggression and intimidation. For example, two years after firing missiles at Taiwan, Gen. Xiong, then second in command of the People's Liberation Army, threatened to vaporize Los Angeles.

Not once during the entire 40-year Cold War between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. did any Soviet general threaten to vaporize an American city. It is certain that the Kremlin would have fired any officer who made such a statement, because of the threat to global peace.

In contrast, Gen. Xiong remains second in command of the People's Liberation Army, ready to hurl his nuclear forces into battle with America on a moment's notice.

According to the CIA, China is expected to continue its rapid deployment of ballistic missiles along the Chinese mainland, within striking distance of Taiwan.

China's short-range ballistic missile arsenal could reach "several hundred" by the year 2005, stated Robert Walpole, a national intelligence officer, during a Senate hearing on international security.

The CIA intelligence analyst also revealed that Beijing is working on three new intercontinental ballistic missiles, the Dong-Feng 31, a longer-range variant of the Dong-Feng 31, and the submarine-launched JL-2. The DF-31 and JL-2 both have an estimated range of over 7,000 miles and can shower the U.S. West Coast with nuclear warheads.

Chinese Nuclear Weapons Proliferation

In addition, the leaders in Beijing have taken every opportunity to export missile and nuclear warfare equipment to such nations as Iran, Pakistan and Iraq. The entire Pakistani atomic arsenal was built from scratch with the direct assistance of the Chinese military, including advanced nuclear warhead designs from PLA labs and nuclear-tipped missiles directly out of the Chinese army inventory.

The "National Intelligence Estimate," a threat analysis published by the CIA, noted that Beijing has "enabled emerging missile states to accelerate development timelines for their existing programs" and sold "turnkey systems to gain previously non-existent capabilities â?? in the case of the Chinese sale of the M-11 short-range ballistic missile to Pakistan."

In 2001, the U.S. lodged sanctions against the China Metallurgical Equipment Corp. after it continued to ship missile parts to Pakistan, violating Beijing's sixth promise to stop such exports. It should surprise no one that the People's Liberation Army owns China Metallurgical.

During the 1990s, the Chinese army also exported an advanced air defense network to Iraq through another front company, in direct violation of the U.N. ban on military sales to Baghdad. The Bush administration openly complained about Chinese military sales to Iraq and eventually bombed several sites occupied by Chinese military engineers working for Saddam Hussein.

"We raised earlier in the administration concerns about what might be going on with Iraq," stated Bush national security adviser Condoleezza Rice on Chinese missile proliferation.

However, the Chinese army sales to Iraq have not stopped. PLA front companies continue to provide camouflage for Beijing as it attempts to export more advanced weapons to Iraq.

For example, the harmless-sounding Shandong Arts and Craft Company is in fact a front for Chinese missile proliferation. In 2001, the firm acted as a cover for a PLA military delegation to Iraq seeking to sell advanced long-range missile technology to Saddam Hussein.

China Is a Threat

The China apologists in the United States assure us that the communist state is not a threat, that it is a peaceful nation prepared to take its place in the world. Their simplistic view of Chinese history omits the past 40 years of confrontation with America.

They refuse to see Beijing's growing inventory of advanced missiles, warships and planes. They ignore years of espionage and covert political influence through contributions to U.S. political campaigns. They continue to seek appeasement despite the overwhelming evidence of missile and nuclear weapon proliferation.

In the next 40 years, China will attempt to take its place among the world's superpowers. China's growing arsenal of advanced weapons will enable it to do so in a forceful and violent manner. It is time that we recognized what the People's Liberation Army already knows â?? that America is its No. 1 target



Chinese general shakes nukes at U.S.
By Bill Gertz
The Washington Times
Published July 16, 2005


WASHINGTON -- A senior general in the Chinese army threatened to use nuclear arms against the United States in a conflict over the Taiwan Strait, prompting the Bush administration to call the remarks "highly irresponsible."

"If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition onto the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons," Maj. Gen. Zhu Chenghu said in yesterday's editions of the Financial Times and the Asian Wall Street Journal.


The comments were the most explicit statement of strategic intent by a Chinese military official since 1995, when another officer, Gen. Xiong Guangkai, implicitly threatened to use nuclear arms against Los Angeles if the United States intervened in a Taiwan conflict.

"If the Americans are determined to interfere ... we will be determined to respond," said Gen. Zhu, head of China's National Defense University. "We Chinese will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian [in central China]. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds ... of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack called the remarks "highly irresponsible."

"We hope that these are not the views of the Chinese government," Mr. McCormack told reporters. "The United States is not a threat to China. We have a broad and deep relationship in which we try to work closely with the Chinese government on a variety of issues, and I think that the remarks from that one individual are unfortunate."

The comments come as the Pentagon is prepared to release its annual report to Congress on China's military. The report, according to Pentagon officials, will be the harshest assessment since 2000 on China's arms buildup, which includes a rapid deployment of ships, aircraft, missiles and other high-tech weaponry since 2002.

Gen. Zhu told the papers that his comments were personal remarks and not official policy, and that he did not believe China and the United States will go to war.

A Pentagon official, speaking on background, said Chinese generals normally express only official positions and that Gen. Zhu's comments represent the views of senior officers.

"These comments are a signal to all of Asia that China does not fear U.S. forces," the official said, adding that the general may have inadvertently disclosed elements of a Chinese war plan, or the disclosure was calculated and cleared in advance by senior political leaders.

China also is set to conduct its first joint military exercises with Russia this fall that will include the use of Russian strategic bombers, another indication of China's preparation for a nuclear conflict. Several years ago Russia and China conducted simulated nuclear exercises that involved a conflict with Taiwan in which the United States used nuclear arms and Russian forces retaliated with their nuclear arms, according to intelligence officials.

The statements contradict China's publicly stated policy that it will not be the first nation to use nuclear weapons in a conflict. Gen. Zhu was quoted as saying he believed the no-first-use policy applied only to nonnuclear states and could be changed.

He said Beijing is under internal pressure to change the no-first-use policy and to announce that it will use the most powerful weapons at its disposal to defend its claim on Taiwan. He stated that "war logic" requires weaker powers to use all means to defeat a stronger rival.

Chinese Embassy spokesman Chu Maoming said that the general's remarks were his personal views and not those of the Chinese government. "We adhere to the policy of 'peaceful reunification, one country, two systems' and are ready to exert utmost efforts with maximum sincerity to realize China's peaceful reunification," he said. "We definitely do not tolerate 'Taiwan independence' and allow anybody in any name to secede Taiwan from China."

China's current nuclear arsenal is believed by U.S. intelligence agencies to include an estimated 45 to 57 missiles that can reach American cities. However, China's military is rapidly building up its forces and is developing at least three new strategic missile systems, including the DF-31 and DF-31A road-mobile missiles, and the JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missiles.

Beijing views Taiwan as a breakaway province but the island has been an independent Republic of China since nationalist forces fled the mainland during a civil war in 1949.

President Bush said in 2001 that the United States would do "whatever it takes" to help Taiwan defend itself, a remark that prompted the Pentagon to renew war plans for a defense of the island from mainland attack.

Pentagon and military officials know very little about China's nuclear forces and its strategy for employing nuclear arms, such as when would they use weapons and where they are stored. A U.S. intelligence official said earlier this year that China is developing a maneuverable-missile warhead for its long-range missiles that is designed to defeat U.S. missile defenses.

[Fengzi]

Wow eg, how come can you find all this and pissy can only find "China worship" ?

Bottom line is that anyone with nukes, be it China, Iran, Russia, or the good ol' U.S.A. is a threat. Nothing makes China any more of a threat than anyone else.

[eg420ne]

Dont get me wrong china has every right to defend it self then so be it,, if we threaten china then they have every right to threaten back,,its all fair i guess... so let Iran have whatever it wants as well.. lets just get it over with already, im tired of waiting..........until then i will smoke up....peace

[eg420ne]

Wow eg, how come can you find all this and pissy can only find "China worship" ?

Bottom line is that anyone with nukes, be it China, Iran, Russia, or the good ol' U.S.A. is a threat. Nothing makes China any more of a threat than anyone else.
Nukes Bad-Cannabis Good:thumbsup: Peace Fengzi

[pisshead]

pnac names china as a target as well...

http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/pnac.html

that site has a lot of links to pnac related information.

this is just a snippit...

The Sunday Herald article highlighted the following goals from the 2000 report, which it termed an "American grand strategy" and "blueprint of world domination":

The U.S. must take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein is in power: "While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

The U.S. must "fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars" as a "core mission"

The U.S. forces are "the cavalry on the new American frontier"

The report builds upon the 1992 draft document " Defense Planning Guidance," which claimed that the U.S. must "discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role"

Permanent U.S. bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, whether or not Saddam Hussein is in power

Increasing military pressure on China: "it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia" which will lead to "American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratisation in China" (Read: "usurping" china into the global government dictatorship, which they have a nice head start onl.)

"the creation of 'US Space Forces', to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent 'enemies' using the internet against the US"

The report contains ambivalent language toward bioterrorism and genetic warfare: "New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool"

Development of "world-wide command-and-control system" to contain dangerous regimes of North Korea, Libya, Syria, and Iran.

[Fengzi]

Dont get me wrong china has every right to defend it self then so be it,, if we threaten china then they have every right to threaten back,,its all fair i guess... so let Iran have whatever it wants as well.. lets just get it over with already, im tired of waiting..........until then i will smoke up....peace
The big difference between China and Iran is that Iran is a fundamentalist Muslim country. We all know about the suicide bombers and that they believe dying in the name of Allah will get them into heaven with a bunch of virgins. My concern is that some really out there Ayatollah would come into power and take this notion to a national level. "Sure, the great Satan will turn our country into a giant peice of glass but not before we hurt him bad. And, we'll all go to heaven and will forever be known as martyrs who stood up to the great Satan"

I also don't think its such a bad thing to keep any other country, pro U.S. or not, from aquiring nukes if it doesn't already have them.The fewer the better.

[Fengzi]

Nukes Bad-Cannabis Good:thumbsup: Peace Fengzi

I think everyone on this board can agree with this. Peace eg :smokin: