Single Plant SCROG Grow.....Good Idea?

[SittinStoney420]

Hey everyone. My baby is about 5 feet tall now and has that christmas tree type look to her. I want to put her in the flowering room and make an SCROG, but i was wondering if i would have needed to do that when she was Veggin or if i will still work. Also, if it is cool to make the SCROG grow in flowering, should i just put her under the screen (bent sideways)? or should i pull the little white hair-balls up through the screens holes to give her a head start? Any and all input would be great. If this sounds like a good idea i will start a log and follow her until the end of flowering.

Thanks

SS

[Da1KrayzieThug]

5 feet is big before flowering... like really big... like REALLLYYY big. Get ready for it to hit the ceiling. Goodluck <3

[mobay]

dam when you get finished with that grow you can dry the roots out and build a house. hope it is a female.

[J DOG 6000]

Sorry to have to say this but scrog is supposed to be done as it grows.Your best bet is super cropping your girl.
Work the stem gently till the plant bends in half....don't brake the stem....it will heal and continue to grow flowers....I'd do this before flowering it.because once you put her in flower it's going to double in size...good Luck and your yield should be huge...I say 1 pound at least.

Don't just go bending stuff...read up on super cropping first or you just might break your plant in half.:thumbsup:

[SittinStoney420]

Thanks for your replys.

-Da1, i know it is a little big :) oops....

-Mobay, know its a female, it has already started to flower on its own :( which i dont like because the pistils have turned brown and curled back up already. but at least im sure. My camera's fucked so i cant upload a pic now but i will soon.

-JDog, double in size????? ayyy... im gonna have to clear out my flowering room for this one. My room is 6 ft high, with about 55 inches between the floor and the light, it is 59 inches, long and 25 inches wide. You think i can pull it. And yeah i figured you were supposed to do that in veg, so im just going to tie it down. What is supercropping? does anyone have a link? ill start a log once i get my cam working.

[SittinStoney420]

and i was wrong with my measurments she only 4 feet....

[justaseed]

hello all, i'm new to the forum but not to growing. i grow scrogg style and i put my girls under the screen about a week before going to flower. i do alot of topping and lst while in vegg so the plants are trained alot before the screen is put on. as others have said 4 ft in veg is a monster for indoors. what kind of light are you flowering her under? i think your best bet would be lst. just keep tying her down as she stretches and remember a plant can reach 2-4x it's original size at the start of flowering. that is strain dependent of course. sativas tend to stretch alot in flower, at least that is my experience. whatever you decide to do, i hope it works out well. here is a pic of my current 400hps scrog 19days into 12/12. the strain is white widow and it's 3 plants vegged for 6weeks from clones
http://img2.uploadimages.net/8833463wwscrogd19.JPG
http://img2.uploadimages.net/6638292wwscrogd19.JPG

[SittinStoney420]

Hey justaseed,

WELCOME TO THE FAMILY :)

That looks GREAT! i i hope to have something that looks alot like that. What size is your grow room? What size holes and what type of screen did you use for your Scrog grow? I am flowering under a 400w HPS, and my veg was under a 400w MH. I just went out and got a new digital cam so ill be starting a log very soon. The thing with her is she hasnt been topp'd so im thinking it would be best just to bend her over..haha (no pun intended). Are you in hydro or soil? Again those look great!

-SS

[Da1KrayzieThug]

SS420: I'd suggest bending like every branch over including the main cola to try and give the plant more room to grow in height plus spread it out a little horizontaly. The branches will themselves begin to curl back upwards but I think you'll be fine. Just tie a lot of shit down. Now! Go NOW!!! Goodluck buddy <3

[Da1KrayzieThug]

And,
justaseed: That is a very nicely done SCroG grow.

[justaseed]

thanks guys, i grow in soil(promix to be exact) and have 3 flower chambers and 1 vegg chamber. that scrog is in a 6fthighx4ftx2ft closet i use wire fencing from home depot(USA) the holes are about 1 1/2inch. i gotta go to bed now but i'll be around. i hate to say it but i'm usually on og but the site has been down so i did a search and found you guys here!

[J DOG 6000]

Here is a thread on SCROGhttp://www.hempcultivation.com/420/showthread.php?t=64785

Check this info...:thumbsup:
Indoor Marijuana Growing - Vertical or Horizontal?


Indoor marijuana growers have many methods of soil growing. The most common of these are naturally, using low - stress straining ( LST ), or the sea of green ( SOG), screen of green ( SCROG), and supercropping.

Some growers have plenty of indoor room, and will let the plants develop naturally, to the height and width that nature intended. These plants reach their full potential in a matter of weeks, with top colas and/or side colas promoted by the marijuana`s unstunted natural growth. This method of growing is known as "nature`s way".

Low - stress training ( LST) is used when height must be kept at a minimum. The marijuana plant is trained to lie over on its side at an early age, with each successive stem trained in the same fashion. This method produces a low-lying, luxurious plant, with increased bud production due to the light reaching into the sides of the plant as well as the top.

The sea of green ( SOG) method is used for rapid flowering when lack of height and wattage are a major concern for the grower. Marijuana clones are planted closely together, vegetating time is short, and the plants are pushed into flowering and bud production while they are relatively small. This is an effective method of growing, and when the lighting is adequate the yields are generally good.

The screen of green ( SCROG) method is also used when height and wattage are a consideration. A screen, usually of netting, screenwire or chickenwire, is attached at a desired height above the plants. This allows the growing marijuana plants to begin to grow horizontally after reaching the height limit, thus keeping the canopy, or height, at an even level, which allows consistent light penetration into the growing plants. Many growers have a consistent high yield using this method.

Supercropping is an easy growth - training method for marijuana growers. This is simply cutting off the top of the main stem several times during its vegetative growth, leaving approximately 10% of the stem intact each time. This method induces the plant to generate the growth of additional side shoots, which in turn increases the overall bud production. This is a favorite method of many growers, due to the almost - guaranteed increased yields.

Whether you grow your marijuana plants strictly by nature`s way, or must use some method of plant - training, marijuana growing may be a successful venture with a consistent pleasing yield. Some growers use these methods out of necessity, while others choose to experiment with their grow out of sheer curiosity.

Time and trial is your most effective research. After trying several different types of grows, you will find the one that works best for you.

[J DOG 6000]

I think your best bet is LST if possible otherwise...like I said work the stalk in beetween your finger's until it's like pulpy and starts to fall over on it's own from were you sqeezed it.
when it hangs 90 degree's to the side,it will just heal and stay like that.If you do this do it high up enough that the wieght of the top cola wont brake the whole thing in half.:pimp:

[Harvesthetic]

thx J DOG ! great post for scroggin, i'll soon be opening up a scrog from four clones i have now. :thumbsup:

[justaseed]

jdog, i noticed that in the link you inclooded that the cannabis connisieur says to have 3x the space above the screen as below and he also alows his plants to grow that high above the screen. i have never seen scrog like this before and assume that with that method you could not attain the 2.34oz per sqft that alot of scrogger's boast. when doing scrog the most common way is to keep the plants at the level of the screen so just the buds grow above it. allowing the plants to go 36" above the screen seems to negate the effectiveness of scrogging. i could be wrong here but i have noticed if i don't spend enough time training in the 1st 2 weeks of flower then the plants end up to high over the screen and my yeild suffers. here are some more pics of my scroggs. see the difference?

[justaseed]

i've been reading c.c.'s scrog thread more and he says he trains them into the screen so maybe i'm just not uderstanding his methods correctly. this is a scrogg i didn't train enough and i only got 10 oz from my 400hps

[turtle420]

This is, the most interesting thread I've read about SCRoG here in the boards.

Please do keep it up, as I'm planning on doing SCRoG. The setup with the TV cabinet, looks really good. Kind of ghetto system, but hey, you can't argue with the results.

But I like it. Very uniform SCRoG.

Just a Seed,
The last picture (post #16), that's your SCRoG? I can definitely see the difference between that one and the TV cabinet one.

Question::: You say you didn't train enough... ???
Why, did you let them grow towards the light? Did you bend them less often?

I'm very interested in this, thanks!

-turtle420 :cool:
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[BkSkillz]

justaseed you are THEE(with an english accent) mothafuken man!

[justaseed]

the reason i didn't train them enough in the last pic is because i have 2 young children and can only take care of my garden when they are in bed. i also run a small business so somtimes i just don't have the time. the tv stand is mostly cfls but the left side also has a 150hps. i get 4-6 oz per side when i harvest. has anyone looked at the link to c.c.'s scrog thread? i still don't understand why he allows the plants to grow so high above the screen.

[turtle420]

I read the thread on SCRoG by CC, but I also don't understand why he says the 3:1 height rule (of thumb).

[BloodShot420]

I'm doing a SCROG right now, and its pretty huge over the screen... its a sativa, and it just blew up 2 weeks into flower... i'm pretty much out of room... there is nowhere to put anything.. the side stems have stretched 20" past the screen... and they are surrounded by similar stems... i've got about 10 main colas per plant though, and they look like they will be hefty...

oh yeah - they are under a 1000 hps... i cant stop'em - and i can barely fit in my room... got a lot of flowering time left... i keep clearing spaces for more buds.. but i think you can only fit so many. the strain is grapefruit from female seeds.


OG is down, so i'm all over the place right now :stoned: here are some pics i posted at the docs site..
http://www.hg420.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=3088

[justaseed]

1000hps scog !!!! that's gonna be a bitch to get off the screen! i thought my 400hps was a pain to cut loose. i suppose that is not a real problem though. the longer it takes the more bud you have! i really try to keep my plants to 6-8inches above the screen although around the perimeter i let them get a little taller so they can get better light . if you look at the pics of my current scrog you can count over 150 tops!

[justaseed]

OG is down, so i'm all over the place right now :stoned:

do you know what's up with og? rc's store's site is down too!

[SittinStoney420]

well im glad this thread is going somewhere.... Im also glad that were getting all these people from OG, stick with us guys. As far as my girl i got my digital cam up, and i have begun to LST her. Im going to start a log from the start of flowering on right now, this is only my second grow so any help would be GREAT.

-SS

[starlighter]

Question?What happened to Overgrow?

[justaseed]

here are todays pics of the ww's it is now day 26. they are really takin' off!!

[J DOG 6000]

I did not write that,just thought it might help.But I'd say you got this covered ...nice pic's

[J DOG 6000]

How many plants in that scrog right there?
Thats amazing...I need to get into this.

[turtle420]

here are todays pics of the ww's it is now day 26. they are really takin' off!!
YEAH!!! Dude, that looks AMAZING! That's eXACTly what I want!

I hope I can get your input as my SCRoG starts coming along... :)

Couple of months ago, some members mentioned a new technique... I think it was baptised as DSC (Deep Soil Culture)... the idea, to put an air stone @ the bottom of your soil pots... this one dude did it, and supposedly his plants jumped over night! Maybe you'd like to try something crazy...

Again, kick-ass pics !

-turtle420 :cool:
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[justaseed]

my scrog is 3 plants.

i have thought about putting an airstone in the soil myself. roots like to have air. figures someone thought of it before me.lol.

this forum need pm's!!!!!!

[SittinStoney420]

This forum has PM's. What you need to do is click on the user you would like to PM's name. (IN GREEN ON THE TOP OF THERE POST) Click Add ____ To Your Buddy List, Then when you want to PM them, click quick links, open buddy list, then PM. BTW You really have it figured out. Were you a mod on OG? And yeah if anyone knows ide also like to know what happend to the site....

-SS

[justaseed]

no, i really haven't even been growing that long. i just read alot and i guess i'm a quick learner. i have no idea what's up with og. the owner of the site, RC, also owns heaven's stairway and that site is down too i hope he didn't get popped like emery did! thanks for the pm directions. i would never have figured that out!

edit: how do i become a cafe member? only cafe members can use pm's is what someone said.

[BloodShot420]

Justaseed -> thats gonna be a nice crop... its so pretty! I thought mine would look like that... but I did go a little crazy on the light... i am working with limited space, so i used a 2' x 6' screen, and a huge light thinking i could keep it up higher. Well - the ladies have lots of light, which is good, and i was tyin'em all down nice and neat keepin' within 6" of the screen but damn... after 2 weeks of flower, they just get so damn big they got nowhere else to go! So I just let'em start goin' up... now they are like 2' above the screen, with big thick stems makin' some trichs like mad. They arent even 3 weeks into flower yet.. i hope they are done stretching. They are in 5 gal DWC buckets, and the tops gotta be over 4' tall now.. they have taken over the room - i can barely walk past them anymore... and if I do - i have to change my clothes before I go anywhere, cuz I reeeeek of weed. I'm not sure what i have created.

My guess is this wont be the "traditional" scrog... but it looks like 1 big bush and there are probably 30-50 big strong colas in the making.. i used the FIM technique, and topped them too... so they were supposed to be very branchy... 1000 watts has caused a few problems... but I guess they are good probs... like the small plants had a node spacing of maybe 1" so when they were 1' tall they probably had 12-14 nodes... they were crazy bushy and I didnt know where to put the screen - so i switched bulbs to HPS to make them stretch, and flowered them 2 weeks early... glad i did that.

I just secured some Liquid Karma (1 gal) , voodoo juice (1 qt), and overdrive (1 qt) which i'm going to research and use soon. I cant wait to try the voodoo juice... @ $80 a litre it better do SOMETHING :)

[justaseed]

sounds like a kick ass scrog! i use liquid karma, thrive alive red, big bloom and tiger bloom for flowering. i always wanted to try a 1000hps scrog. done right you should get a very large yeild. i'm curious to know what your yield will be. keep updating your grow on this thread (if you don't mind). what strain are you growing? i have found white widow to be an excellent strain for scrog. my next grow i will try gypsys kiss from reeferman. i have 6 nice gk ladies in veg right now waiting for openings in the flower chambers. i also have 1 gk in my tvstand cab about 26days into flower and it looks great. i hope they take to scroggin' like the ww's do.

[BloodShot420]

I hope this isn't "illegal"... i dont know where the pics i already uploaded went... so here are some links.. this was about a week ago.. i'll get some more tonight - they've doubled in size since these pics... lol (close to it anyways) :dance:

http://www.hg420.com/gallery/data/500/30880128_-_screen2-med.jpg

http://www.hg420.com/gallery/data/500/30880128_-_screen-med.jpg

http://www.hg420.com/gallery/data/500/30880128_-_canopy-med.jpg

http://www.hg420.com/gallery/data/500/30880128_-_trained_pruned-med.jpg

[BloodShot420]

I'll stick around - i hear OG is down for a WHILE... for some "major" upgrade... ??? but thats where my grow log is... my thread shows what i used to use... and how far I've come. I'll stick around tho.

i started with T12 flouros from walmart... :)

[MisterSource]

i like this thread :) i may be attempting to use some of the strategies here. thanks for the thread/info! Keep it coming!

How tall is your tv cab?

[justaseed]

I'll stick around - i hear OG is down for a WHILE... for some "major" upgrade... ??? but thats where my grow log is... my thread shows what i used to use... and how far I've come. I'll stick around tho.

i started with T12 flouros from walmart... :)
i think i've seen your stuff on og!

[justaseed]

instead of using string to tie the plants to the screen try this. it is wire for hooking up phone jacks. it has 4 strands inside and it bends and stays bent. i love it!

[BloodShot420]

dude... overgrow is fucked, i'm kinda worried...

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=20499&page=1&pp=15

wonderin' if i should ditch the grow...

[justaseed]

i'm a little worried but there are over 100,000 members and my measly 400watt grow is probably near the bottom of that list. just have a plan in place to quickly ditch the grow. remember equipment is legal all you need to get rid of is plants/seeds/buds and of course your pc ...i think...

[BloodShot420]

That sucks ass.. i remember thinking i should do a local mirror of the grow faq cuz it was a good bunch of information, but then i thought, i've been here for so long this site could never shut down...

Everything is safe man.. they dont know who you are or your ip addy... only what you wrote... so fuck'em.. i will continue with flowering - and full speed ahead on the mother/cloning cabinet.

also - a computer security makeover is in order :D

[turtle420]

That sucks ass.. i remember thinking i should do a local mirror of the grow faq cuz it was a good bunch of information, but then i thought, i've been here for so long this site could never shut down...
Dude, one night, I downloaded like a big fucking chunk of the FAQs. With a program called Teleport Pro... pictures, html, site structure... the works...

BUT I CAN'T FUCKING FIND IT!
I've had like 4 new computers in the last couple of months (I'm a geek), and I don't know where the fuck I placed that folder...

Dude, if I find that, I'll upload. No doubt.

[J DOG 6000]

# plants...that is awsome.And what is the measurement of that screen...I'm doing this ,but with 6 next time.
What did you use ,like 12 gallon pots?

[BloodShot420]

turtle... my fellow geek - i'd love to have that for my own personal archives... you must find! :D thank god for fellow geeks. there are a bunch of programs that do that... i got some good ones cuz i used to steal passwords to porn sites and mirror them locally... that was a while ago - i had lots of gbs of tiffany teen... she was my fav.

J Dog -> who you talkin' to?

my screen is 24" x 78" (2' x 6.5') - they are in 5 gal buckets - Deep water culture (hydro) with 1KW

[justaseed]

and my screen is 2'x4' and i am currrently using 3gal bags but i usually use the 5gal buckets.

[BukDatAss]

Sheet man thats a cool as Scrog I'm gonna try that out with the next growLOL, so how much do u yeild off the 3 plants and the 150whps and cfls Watts???

[justaseed]

i just upgraded that side from 70hps to the 150hps and i'm still 4 or so weeks from the 1st harvest since. when it was 70hps and 4 42watt cfl's i yeilded about a qp. my 400hps scrog yeilds 3 times that and i'm hoping to increase that as time goes on.

[BukDatAss]

WooW thats amazing.. So how many grows have u done? How many Scogs have been through? Would you say u get better and better as you go along with the Scrog?

[justaseed]

i have completed about 6 scrogs and a few traditional grows. you definetely get better each time especially scrog training. each strain responds differently to scrog as well, so you have to learn each strain to get the best yeild. expert scrogger's boast 2.4oz per square foot of screen!. i am starting to get the hang of my ww's (i think)for scrog at least. i have alot more to learn in all aspects of growing. i started growing last year so i don't quite have a full year yet. i have 4 chambers (3 flower / 1 veg) up and running so i get alot of experience pretty quickly. i also spent alot of time on the old farts thread at og and those guys really know their shit!!!

[turtle420]

turtle... my fellow geek - i'd love to have that for my own personal archives... you must find! :D thank god for fellow geeks.
Yeah! More geeks! Strength in numbers BloodShot, strength in numbers... Remeber Revenge of the Nerds! They got the girls!

Anyways, Everybody, please check out...
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=50710

Although I haven't found my saved files of OverGrow's FAQs, I have an idea that might help us SEMI-bring it back.

Thanks for your time guys,

-turtle420 :cool:
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[justaseed]

i'm glad you guys understand all this technical computer stuff cause i don't!!

[turtle420]

i'm glad you guys understand all this technical computer stuff cause i don't!!
LOL! No problems man... when the ZIP is done, I'll eMail it to you... or better yet, post it on the boards so everybody can download. ;)

aSeed, I was meaning to ask you... I uploaded some pics to this thread:
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=50317

They're close-ups of my girls... I don't know if pre-flowers are visible... can you help me out? Thanks bud :)

-turtle420 :cool:
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[lemonboy]

turtle: email me! lemonboy [at] hush.com

I wanna show you something that will tickle you silly :)

[BukDatAss]

update SS420

[SittinStoney420]

Yes Yes, buck i will update tomorrow.
The only reason i havnt updated is because i started another thread as a log for it. Nobody really views that thread though so i guess ill just post my update here.

-SS

BTW Shes looking great with the LST method......i have her under a 400w Son Agro bulb in the flowering room. Tomorrow will be her first day under the light. Well see how she takes to it.

[J DOG 6000]

So how much of the screen do you fill up before flowering...1/2? For a mostly indica strain?
I want to try this next.
How many plants fit under a 1000 w HPS...?Scrog style.
My guess is 3, but the more you have the less veg time right.
My limit is 6, thats why I ask.:thumbsup:

[Harvesthetic]

So how much of the screen do you fill up before flowering...1/2? For a mostly indica strain?
I want to try this next.
How many plants fit under a 1000 w HPS...?Scrog style.
My guess is 3, but the more you have the less veg time right.
My limit is 6, thats why I ask.:thumbsup:
hey j-dog, i' m doing a Scrog too, with a mostly indica strain. When the screen is ca. 50-75% filled ( from top view ), most pple advise to start flowering. If the screen is already full, it's gonna get tough to keep em low. I've seen a SCROG (forgot the link) with a pure Sativa strain. He ended up going LST because the plants shot out of the screen like bamboo on Superthrive. :p By the way, under a 1000HPS you can go scrog on about ten to fifteen plants, i think :D but yeah, i'm doing 4 under a 400 hps, 100w per plant is great for me. 6 under a 1000w is even better imo, but always keep in mind.. better to have fewer plants there for when the ladies in blue appear.
And the more you have, the less veg time? I don't know about that. :stoned:
Q @ Justaseed, you're earlier scrogs look fantastic dude, but the trimming underneath the screen, what's your experience with that? In my scrog thread, i've asked a couple of times, but should i remove all branches gradually? Does this influence the bud growth/stem health/nutrient absorption?

[SittinStoney420]

I wouldnt trim Harv, it will stress them out and stunt their overall growth. Ive learned from my mistakes.

[green4life]

big brother got a hold of OG.:mad:

[green4life]

can we get a profile shot of your 400 please? doing the 1st 2 weeks of training myself, and I wanna see how you tangle that screen.