New Room

[D420SB]

Hey guys, this is a new room. The first room has 60 clones, and the second has 41 plants. The 41 plants have been veging now for two weeks, I want to know how much longer should I leave them on 18-6 cycle before I switch to 12-12. Also, just some tips, pointers, suggestions, and comments would be appreciated.

[turtle420]

Looks great man...
What lights are you using?

How much longer to veg? Um... are you going to SCRoG them or something? Are you transplanting all 41 to bigger pots?
I guess it's a given that all the clones are from a female mother... right?

Dude, very nice setup. Do you have fans oscillating air over them?

Nice,

-turtle420 :cool:

[Garden Knowm]

looking forward to it!!!

[D420SB]

Answer to first question : The room that has the 41 bigger plants is running on two brand new 600 WATT HPS ( Like I said they have been veging for 2 weeks now ) And the other room which has 60 new clones it is running under two older 1000 WATT HPS systems. Most all the plants are in 12 IN pots, just the one I used for the sharpie picture is in a pretty small pot. I have large rotating fans in each room moving air. Two fans blowing air between the rooms, and one large extractor fan pulling air through the carbon filter to the outside. (also could someone post a good idea for putting some co2 into the room)

Second question : This is the first time I have delt with the guy so who really knows, but yes its to be assumed.

Thanks for the reply.

[D420SB]

Here are some different shots of the rooms...

[Lady Vapor]

Looking Good! What kind of stuff do you clone with. I've only gotten about 50% of my cuttings to clone :cursing:

[Sativagrowin]

I use a CO2 tank and a regulator but for a room that size I would have to recomend that you get a good CO2 generator. You'll also need to make sure your exhaust isn't sucking the CO2 right out of the air and venting it outside. There are many controllers out there that do this.

Laterz

[Sativagrowin]

lol BTW nice setup. Sorry I forgot to post that earlier.

Laterz

[D420SB]

I'm still looking to figure out when I should switch to 12-12, anyone please?

[HARDDON]

Friend,

The beauty of your own grow is part that you alone are able to determine when to start the flower cycle by switching to 12/12.

I have found that starting them any earlier than 28 days is a waste.

More specifically, I prefer to flower based upon plant growth levels rather than time.

Rule #1... You must imaging them growing 3X taller after switching to flower...and ask yourself if that will satisfy your desires.

There are no rules other than that.

For flowering clones, I wait until they are at least 12" tall. You will wind up with 2.5 - 3 foot tall plants...most of which will be pure flower stalk from your clones.

By all looks, it appears you have a ways to go. A long ways.

With all those black containers you have chosen, the heat retention from those reflectors is likely holding them back from growing. The reflector and the black bases can create a radiant heat zone that clones particularly are sensitive to in the root section.

Also, those were very young tender shoots taken as clones...almost bordering on too early.

These will take a while. They are no where near being ready to flower at this point.

I would advise that the grower wait until 12 inches of growth, at least, is obtained. It appears your focal point should be on getting the growth rate accelerated...but since you didn't ask, I won't advise.

You will have an awesum grow...but you need to wait and give them a chance to develope some girth. I would at least triple the fan action.

Give it another month...and...add some superthrive to you 6.8 water.

Attached are some pics I found on the internet of some 32 day old clones. They were placed in flower on day 28 at about 15 inches.

When they fully blossom, they will be single large 40" buds. Each 3.5 feet long bud will weigh at least one ounce each...cured weight. :dance:

Watch the main stem base. You will know its time when it is fat and thick like a white bic pen...you will need it to support the bud.

Good luck. :thumbsup:

[likemclever]

Forgive the intrusion D420SB I just wanted to give HARD something.



*Smooches*

Miss ya babe :pimp: :D

[latewood]

I'm still looking to figure out when I should switch to 12-12, anyone please?1st off, If you have a height restriction, then you must keep in mind that once you change to 12/12 photoperiod you plants will grow 2-3 times the height...I.E. for every foot you achieve in veg, you will gain 2-3 feet in flower. 2nd choice; You veg the full 2 months (6-8 weeks is normal, less if you have height restriction's), because you don't have to worry about height.

Now, another consideration is; the longer you veg...the longer your babies will take to "finish"(total maturity)

So, If you only have 3 feet before you reach the maximum canopy height, without scorching the top's...then you 12/12 at 1 foot. Most people I read about, flower when plant is 12-18 inches tall, especially clones, because of the quicker, multiple yielding c's...this will end up being, 24-36 inches tall at finish.

Hope this helped, later.lw

[D420SB]

"It appears your focal point should be on getting the growth rate accelerated...but since you didn't ask, I won't advise."

"add some superthrive to you 6.8 water."


Please explain, and I would appreciate any advice, I am new growing so anything will help!

[HARDDON]

Just do as I say and you will be happy.

#1....your HPS lights are inferior to CFL for taking clones that small and doing anything with them. I would...

A) Swap out the HID and go with massive CFL or REG COOL Floros. Your trouble and expense will pay off with your first harvest. IF you do not want to do this, then....

1. Raise the lights. They are stunting the plants. Raise at least a foot. This will encourage stretching which will pay off later.

2. Adjust water pH to 6.7 - 6.8 exactly.

3. Spray mist the clones as many times a day as you can. DO NOT NEGLECT THIS.

4. Add 5 drops of SuperThrive p/gallon to your water AFTER adjusting pH.

5. Have fans blowing the plants...in addition to the space between the canopy and lights. The plants must bend in the wind to stimulate stem girth which will broaden access for nutrient delivery.

6. Purchase Schultz Rooting Hormone powder at your Home Depot. Add the powder, about a pennies size worth, to your water per gallon and use EVERY OTHER WATERING. AGAIN, AFTER pH adjustments.

7. DO NOT LET YOUR SOIL DRY. Clones need more moisture to get cranking, than a plant does. NEVER LET IT BECOME DRY for at least 2 more weeks. This may mean water every other day.

If you do these things, you will see, in two weeks, rapid growth begin to set in place. Those young tender clones you have need a more blue light to do what they should be doing.

You can compensate by altering the items I listed.

Good Luck.

[Powder Puff]

I'm sorry to bump in here.. But how do you adjust the PH in water?:)

[HARDDON]

YOu measure your water pH with a water pH pen.

pH strips are shit and only give you approximates.

Get a pen.

For an organic pH adjustor down, use white distilled vinager.

For a chemical pH down, buy a chemical pH down.

[Powder Puff]

And where would one get those pens?:rolleyes:

[HARDDON]

http://discounthydro.com/watermanagement.asp

$59.95

Don't grow tomatos without one.

[Da1KrayzieThug]

I got mine off Ebay for 35 shipped. Technika. He lives near my friend who grows in Arizona so it would have been easy to just do a pickup, but his lazy ass didn't read the address before sending the money order. (It's still in the mail but should get to my friends house soon) :D

[Garden Knowm]

WOW

[Garden Knowm]

http://www.plantitearth.com/store/product.asp?id=304&catid=65

ph kit
every grower should have this...
even if you have a pen.. back up baby
these are awesome

[Garden Knowm]

your plants in picture 2 ARE awesome and should not be switched to CFL's..
maybe even moving the light closer..
only do this if you feel confident that you can keep the heat off the plants.. using fans...

if you put your hand at the top of the canaopy.. the top of your plants.. and you hand can withstand the heat.. then, in general so can your plants... every 12 inches, that light moves further from the plants it looses 1/2 of its lumens... THIS is SERIOUS shit

...PLANTs that get girthy GET MASS LUMENS

HARDON is a genuis
i love you

[Garden Knowm]

nice gotee

[Powder Puff]

http://discounthydro.com/watermanagement.asp

$59.95

Don't grow tomatos without one.
Thank you!:)

[D420SB]

Thanks for all the tips guys! The fan action has been tripppled, the room w/ 40 plants is looking sexy!!! They are around 10 In high now, I will probably wait another 4 days or so before I switch there light schedual. I might even make it a gradual process, rather than just straight up changing it. Does anyone know if there is any difference made there? Also, I made some home made CO2 dispensers so hopefully those guys help out alot! I will post some more pic's when I think the plants are getting huge!!!!

[J DOG 6000]

Gradually changing the light cycle makes it more like nature which is our goal right,but it's not nessesary.I think the gradual change could induce node alternation which is good for flower yield.
How did you make the CO2 dipensers?

[D420SB]

I believe you take 6 cups of sugar, a 1/2 table spoon of champagne yeaste, a pop bottle, and some water. Thats the tutorial I read somewhere else.....I'm still looking for options but thats the most cost effective solution I have found.

[Da1KrayzieThug]

There was an element where ud put this kind of acid on it and it makes bubbles which are full of CO2. I'll get it when I come back home later today.

[D420SB]

Thank you so much!!! the tutorial I got was very very vauge... Also, still looking on comments on the rooms!

[Da1KrayzieThug]

I'm gonna make a thread in here about the CO2 method once I get my paper back that had it written on it. So check it out later. If this method is a reliable, constant, and long lasting way to produce CO2 then I think it'll make a lot more people be able to give their plants more CO2. Although the materials for it were kind of wierdly named so I'm not sure exactly where you'd come across finding them. I'll do a search for it right now so that I don;t have to wait till later.

[Da1KrayzieThug]

BTw your rooms seem very well put together. You seem like you know what your doing so I'm sure everything will turn out really well regardless of the whole CO2 thing.