Jesus healed using cannabis

[harmonicminor]

http://www.rense.com/general69/jes.htm

[arcticspyder]

HAHAHAHA Almost made me fall out of my chair.

[harmonicminor]

right, they are just figuring this out 2000 years later?????
that is if he was real

[Pyramidsonmars]

Well there's no doubt about the "historical" Jesus...but this is pushing it. If you want to believe Jesus drove a cherry red ferrari, smoking dubees, and getting smashed I'm sure you could make it look like he did that too.

[Nullific]

Yeah, it's all biblical conjecture. Of no significance to me in any case.

[Oneironaut]

Yeah, people convince themselves of all sorts of wacky beliefs about Jesus. I bet you could probably even get people to believe that he could walk on water or that his mom was a virgin! Oh wait...

[harmonicminor]

hey thats not my article :-)
although you can bet your ass they used cannabis back then

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Yeah, people convince themselves of all sorts of wacky beliefs about Jesus. I bet you could probably even get people to believe that he could walk on water or that his mom was a virgin! Oh wait...
Haaaaaaaaaaahahahahahhahahaaa that was just too funny....

[Pyramidsonmars]

Yeah, people convince themselves of all sorts of wacky beliefs about Jesus. I bet you could probably even get people to believe that he could walk on water or that his mom was a virgin! Oh wait...

Ahh, but why COULDN'T these things be feesable? Nature always follows it's course, unless it's tampered with ;)

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

exactly. as much as nature has been tampered with since the days of christ, it wouldnt supprise me any if we literally destroyed the possibility of miracles, because of our relyance on technology.

[Oneironaut]

Ahh, but why COULDN'T these things be feesable? Nature always follows it's course, unless it's tampered with ;)
They're not feasible because virgins don't give birth to babies, and basic laws of buoyancy do not allow humans to walk on water. There's no reason to take these myths any more seriously than lightning bolts coming from the hand of Zeus, which we also know to not occur in nature. If there's an omnipotent God that comes in and tampers with the laws of physics, he seems to have taken a vacation because I don't see the laws of physics being broken anywhere. If God does indeed intervene in the natural world, as you claim, then the universe does not operate predictably according to the laws of physics. And yet everywhere we go, everything we experience in our lives does operate predictably according to the laws of physics.

Is it really that much of a stretch to claim that there is no loving God interfering in our world? It's pretty plainly clear. Tragedies happen all the time, and no giant invisible hands come in and make things all right. Any loving God would have known exactly how to prevent 9/11 or the Holocaust, and would have the decency and basic respect to do so, yet they happened. Babies are born with birth defects, families starve, dictators reign, suicide bombers blow themselves up, and AIDS ravages Africa. This is the best that omnipotence and omniscience could come up with in 15 billion years? I find that a little hard to believe. The best miracles God could come up with were a virgin birth and a dude walking on water and healing a few sick people he happened to come across? The miracles were only amazing enough to convince a tiny fraction of a percent of humanity that he was the real deal by the time he died. I have a feeling an omnipotent, omniscient deity could do a better job of convincing people than that. I also have a feeling he wouldn't be so racist as to only provide a messiah to his chosen race.

[sharpezor]

They're not feasible because virgins don't give birth to babies, and basic laws of buoyancy do not allow humans to walk on water. There's no reason to take these myths any more seriously than lightning bolts coming from the hand of Zeus, which we also know to not occur in nature. If there's an omnipotent God that comes in and tampers with the laws of physics, he seems to have taken a vacation because I don't see the laws of physics being broken anywhere. If God does indeed intervene in the natural world, as you claim, then the universe does not operate predictably according to the laws of physics. And yet everywhere we go, everything we experience in our lives does operate predictably according to the laws of physics.


you are fucking stupid. It's called faith you dumb fucking shit. stop preaching your athiest bullshit, your time will come when you'll be like "Ohhh damn, guess they where right"

the only reason why some people live is because of "God" and for a dumb little shit like your self to come and tell them/us its BS is very mean. Grow up faggot.

uhhh, well according to the laws of physics...im an ignorant little asshole - you're argument is tired and over-used. fuck off. too bad you cant live in "Anarchism" not too long and youd be raped and killed for your shoes. asshole.

[harmonicminor]

hey onieronaut,
modern physics still can't explain where our thoughts actually come from, or the method the brain uses to store memories.
before we are born we pick our life and then go live it. we know everything from time of birth and all the way to death. when we die we are just completing a script basically so why would big invisible hands interfere???

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Howdy sharpezor.

Be careful. Oneironaut might be an atheist and a bit of a dick when people talk spirituality, but he has his opinion, and he has every right to it. At least he's not killing people for not being an atheist.


Power to the agnostics! :thumbsup:

[sharpezor]

yeah i was angry last night, apologies.

[Oneironaut]

you are fucking stupid. It's called faith you dumb fucking shit. stop preaching your athiest bullshit, your time will come when you'll be like "Ohhh damn, guess they where right"
I just don't see any reliable way of obtaining information about the universe except by looking at it and using logic to draw conclusions. Faith (that is, believing in things with no evidence) is simply not a reliable way of obtaining the truth about things. The fact that you had to resort to petty name-calling only underlines your inability to give any reason why anybody should believe in Christianity.

the only reason why some people live is because of "God" and for a dumb little shit like your self to come and tell them/us its BS is very mean. Grow up faggot.
You provide no corroborating evidence for your statements, and you can't really expect me to just take them at face value, can you? I'm a freaking atheist. Just saying God exists and I'm wrong, and the only reason you believe so is "faith" (i.e. no evidence or logic) is just not going to sway me. And neither is all this name-calling. You have only further confirmed my belief that Christianity breeds hatred and intolerance rather than peaceful conflict resolution.

uhhh, well according to the laws of physics...im an ignorant little asshole - you're argument is tired and over-used. fuck off. too bad you cant live in "Anarchism" not too long and youd be raped and killed for your shoes. asshole.
Again, you provide no evidence or logic to uphold your statements. You just insult me and my beliefs with name-calling. You obviously haven't studied anarchist theory in the slightest, and you haven't thought through your ideas enough to come up with a rational argument, so you instead resort to a bunch of puerile insults as if that somehow invalidates my position. You haven't offered with a single coherent argument against atheism, nor in favor of Christianity. You've just attempted to make me look like a fool, while making yourself look like one in the process.

[Oneironaut]

hey onieronaut,
modern physics still can't explain where our thoughts actually come from, or the method the brain uses to store memories.
Just because science can't explain something doesn't mean that it's supernatural. By that logic, people 100 years ago were perfectly correct in saying that earthquakes come from God because the science of the time couldn't explain it. And before that, lightning also had supernatural causes, because the physics hadn't come to understand that either. And so forth. As modern sciences advances our knowledge of the universe, the gaps where the God explanation still works narrow. There is no reason to think this process won't continue.

The fact is, we're making huge advances into understanding how the brain works. It's still an extremely complicated organ, the product of hundreds of millions of years of natural selection, but we're getting there. The reason we don't yet understand these things is because the brain is a notoriously tough thing to observe in action, and it is suited to so many tasks that its complexity means it will probably take a long long time before it is fully understood. If you want to posit the existence of a supernatural soul of some sort, I would like to see some evidence of that. Until I do, I can only accept the overwhelming wealth of evidence we have that the brain is the seat of consciousness.

before we are born we pick our life and then go live it. we know everything from time of birth and all the way to death. when we die we are just completing a script basically so why would big invisible hands interfere???
1) You do not provide any corroborating evidence for this idea.
2) If we choose our life before we're born, then there's no reason to feel sorry for the victims of the Holocaust or 9/11. After all, they picked that fate. In fact, there's no reason to feel sorry for anyone about anything. Compassion goes out the window. I can't imagine a loving God setting things up that way.

[harmonicminor]

ok let me put it another way
do you think all your cells in your body dont have thier own conciousness????
sure they do and they perform needed tasks for themselves and other cells
and they communicate
where's thier brain????????
and if they have one then....
that means we all have a brain in our heads and billions and biliions of others throughout our bodys

[harmonicminor]

loving god???? who's god??? I dont beleive in the one of the bible
did you ever read any Jane Roberts "Seth material" books???
she goes into trance and another entity who calls himself Seth takes over. He wrote a whole bunch of books on the nature of reality. The content in them was like quantum physics but even vastly beyond
he proved himself time and time again with controlled experiments
"guessing package contents and that type of stuff"
It is in his books where I learned the choosing your life stuff
Did you ever hear of Edgar Cayce?????
he helped diagnose thousands of sick people while under hypnosis
he was exactly correct in his diagnosises

[MoonStarer420]

...stop preaching your athiest bullshit...
I don't know where you get the idea science is an atheistic idea. Science was helped out greatly by many christian scientists who used the same method Oneironaut has discribed. Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Boyle, Faraday and hundreds of others who all thougt in a simular way but involved God.


Just because science can't explain something doesn't mean that it's supernatural.
Every religion before any mainstream today was a way of explaining the unexplained, all are considered myths or fairy tails. sharpezor, what makes you think Christianity is any diffrent? I'm sure they all had faith in theirs as well and even killed over it, just like today.

[MoonStarer420]

ok let me put it another way
do you think all your cells in your body dont have thier own conciousness????
sure they do and they perform needed tasks for themselves and other cells
and they communicate


I think this is a little more complicated then saying they have consciousness. If you look at a colony of Honey bees, none of their actions are based on conscious thought, they're based completely on chemical signals that dictate their actions. I also donâ??t see where the cell might have a choice in consciously choosing what it lets into itself.


Jane Roberts "Seth material"...he proved himself time and time again with controlled experiments

What experiments? and can I read the reports and lab jornals or somthing like them without having to buy the books?

[harmonicminor]

there has to be a conciousness to process chemical signals right???
just like we use senses
we have the chemical signals of smell, taste, and sight.
they also have the conciousness of defending thier colonies

It tells all about the experiments in the Jane Roberts books and I am not sure if you can find it online maybe

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

omitted

[CocaCola]

you are fucking stupid. It's called faith you dumb fucking shit. stop preaching your athiest bullshit, your time will come when you'll be like "Ohhh damn, guess they where right"

the only reason why some people live is because of "God" and for a dumb little shit like your self to come and tell them/us its BS is very mean. Grow up faggot.

uhhh, well according to the laws of physics...im an ignorant little asshole - you're argument is tired and over-used. fuck off. too bad you cant live in "Anarchism" not too long and youd be raped and killed for your shoes. asshole.

So Jesus walked on water because he knew he could... well, if Jesus can walk on water then so can I! Lets do an experiment... *Attempts to walk on water and falls through* damn, it looks like he was right. Buoyancy... When will you science geeks stop taking away our awesome miracles!1

[harmonicminor]

ninja's walked on water....
with the help of inflatable air bladders in thier trousers :-)

[sm0k1t]

in a couple of decades humans will be livin like the ps2 game star ocean: till the end of time.. more or less.

im goin to smoke eat and play that game =)

[beachguy in thongs]

We heal using cannabis. Maybe Jesus was the first one to preach the Herb to everyone and the cops didn't like it.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

so i'll do it again! :D

only this time i wont leave untill you get it right! :D


i mean... jesus...

[sharpezor]

So Jesus walked on water because he knew he could... well, if Jesus can walk on water then so can I! Lets do an experiment... *Attempts to walk on water and falls through* damn, it looks like he was right. Buoyancy... When will you science geeks stop taking away our awesome miracles!1

Dont compare your abilities to Jesus'.

[harmonicminor]

we cant even recreate the pyramids with all our modern technology. the most solid objects we know of are actually mostly empty space. anyone know anything about quantum physics??? It has strong beliefs in alternate realities and dimensions. and going beyond quantum physics we have the Holographic Universe theory. I have read that book "The Holographic Universe" and couldn't put it down once I started reading it. Science IS coming to terms with the existence of the soul. If people dont want to hear it then dont read the spirituality section. Theres much more to life and death than just eat, fuck, and then push daisies.

[Johnny Hempseed]

Personally..I think marijuana was given to us by God as a gift..it heals..gives pleasure..and a whole lot of other great things (like all the good stuff you can use hemp for)..
But I need to see solid proof of this notion of Jesus using it to heal..

[beachguy in thongs]

Anyone who uses Marijuana, is undergoing "healing" because of the fact that the Hippocampus creates neuroprotective cells when the cannabinoid receptor sites are activated.

And, we all know what activates them.

[Shelbay]

Anyone who uses Marijuana, is undergoing "healing" because of the fact that the Hippocampus creates neuroprotective cells when the cannabinoid receptor sites are activated.

And, we all know what activates them.
I always get "lost" reading your posts but I actually look forward to them. ;)

[beachguy in thongs]

I always get "lost" reading your posts but I actually look forward to them. ;)
Thanks, ;) .

This is a little on the Hippocampus.
http://www.atlantainjurylawblog.com/brain-injury-326-progenitor-cells-in-the-hippocampus-may-help-repair-brain-injury.html

[harmonicminor]

cool man,
I dont know why anyone here would argue if Jesus used cannabis or not. I mean come on he looked like Tommy Chong. hehe
and if anyone has anything to say then step across this line / . I dare ya :rasta: :D

[Raiden]

I don't doubt for a minute someone Jesus existed and quite possibly used weed. Ofcourse 99.999% of what the Bible says if pure fairytales but I am fairly sure someone called Jesus existed and upset the authorities of the time a great deal. Would make perfect sense if he used weed too in my opinion.

[harmonicminor]

well said Raiden thats how i feel too. The bible doesnt carry the stamp of the almighty god just because some guy said it does. Modern Christianity has corrupted the true meaning of the heavens. more money, more money, don't do this, don't do that, more money
I went to get my daughter Baptised at the same church I got baptised at and the preist "different one" wouldn't do it because I didnt go every sunday to stuff his pockets. fuck him I know the real path to the heavens.....
Astral Projection
Salvia Divinorum
Ahyuasca
Amanita Muscara

[SneakerPimp]

Odin and Thor smoked the Chronic too! VIKING POWER!!!

[beachguy in thongs]

If Jesus were alive today, he'd be in rehab.

[MoonStarer420]

Science IS coming to terms with the existence of the soul.

Science cannot prove this nor will it. There is no known way to test out this hypothesis...unless you know of a way.

[harmonicminor]

did I say they could prove it???
I just said coming to terms
how about prove it wrong

[MoonStarer420]

did I say they could prove it???
I just said coming to terms
how about prove it wrong

It dosen't exist until there is evidince supporting it from muiltiple sources. So, I really don't have to. Guess I'll have to read "The Holographic Universe" for myself. It wont happen for another 5 months though.

[harmonicminor]

with all the empty space between atoms WE shouldnt exist. theres plenty of mysteries science will never be able to prove.
after having astral travelled for hundreds of times thats all the proof I need personally
theres plenty of stuff the scientists discover the general public will never know
it's keeps the sheep, sheep

[MoonStarer420]

with all the empty space between atoms WE shouldnt exist.

The Universe is almost all empty space, it's the interactions of whats there that matters.


theres plenty of stuff the scientists discover the general public will never know it's keeps the sheep, sheep

That may be true now, but there's a lot more people throwing out false information that drowns the the scientific ideas out.


plenty of mysteries science will never be able to prove. Like bending spoons with your mind? I'm still a fan of optical illisions and other mind tricks. The problem is that's where they stay.

[MoonStarer420]

Like bending spoons with your mind? I'm still a fan of optical illisions and other mind tricks. The problem is that's where they stay.

Well ok I can't prove you "wrong," but it seems hard to prove this "right"

[overdrive]

How did Jesus perform the miracle and make the blind man see? With a J of course! Everybody knows weed is good for glaucoma!

[harmonicminor]

there ya go overdrive :-)
moonstarer,
I think they proved Uri Geller wrong
how about this one......
where do black holes empty thier contents?????

[harmonicminor]

scientists have discovered a few years ago that atoms, no matter how far they are from one another can communicate in real time

[beachguy in thongs]

Communicate how?

[MoonStarer420]

scientists have discovered a few years ago that atoms, no matter how far they are from one another can communicate in real time

What do you mean? The only way I know is by the extange of particals. There has to be some form of energy transfere for that to happen.

[MoonStarer420]

...where do black holes empty thier contents?????
They don't. Everything that gets pulled in still interacts with the outside Universe though gravity. If it wasn't then that wouldn't happen. All the energy is still there, just inside a singulairity (A point with infinate surface gravity.)

[harmonicminor]

I forgot the exact expiriment on atoms communicating, I read it on a Jeff Rense article a few years back.
the black hole thing you may be correct but may not as theres no proof. just some scientist theory
ahhh gravity, another force we dont understand completely and can't reliably replicate. Otherwise we would have antigrav ships

[harmonicminor]

but if you want to see reality tear open go do a few bong hits of salvia 20x.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i say gravity is a push, not a pull... ;) im thinking it's something about the magnetised poles :)

[Funken Monken]

I don't know where you get the idea science is an atheistic idea. Science was helped out greatly by many christian scientists who used the same method Oneironaut has discribed. Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Boyle, Faraday and hundreds of others who all thougt in a simular way but involved God.


Every religion before any mainstream today was a way of explaining the unexplained, all are considered myths or fairy tails. sharpezor, what makes you think Christianity is any diffrent? I'm sure they all had faith in theirs as well and even killed over it, just like today.


Lets not forget that Galileo was put under house arrest and branded a heathen for preaching copurnican theories, and basically convincing himself and other that the idea of a god was just foolish, which is a pretty valid thing.

[harmonicminor]

stoner shadow,
It is the wieght of planets pulling the fabric of space time. The denser the planet the heavier the gravity. That we know but still cant replicate it

[JDiz]

I can honestly say that this messageboard has more hostile and angry posters than any i've ever read, which is odd considering it's focus is around a plant that makes people relax and look for common ground. Then again, I guess religion subverts all of these aspects, people don't like to be told their religious beliefs are wrong, look at radical muslims, christian crusades, etc. Just chill and have some respect for other's beliefs, it's not the same as agreeing.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Omittèd

[MoonStarer420]

Lets not forget that Galileo was put under house arrest and branded a heathen for preaching copurnican theories, and basically convincing himself and other that the idea of a god was just foolish, which is a pretty valid thing.

Yea, they fucked things up pretty badly. We could have been much further technologically today if it wasn't for religous conservitism. If more people were more open to new ideas the world would be a much better place.