STRECHING!

[wastwhg]

hi,
my little plants are going all so wrong. They are 8 days from when i planted the seeds now and all 10 have germinated. Unfortuantly they all are just growing straight up and not putting on any leaf at all. why is this?

the first pic was taken 2 days ago and the second was taken about 10 minutes ago. (i have now moved them to the window as my mother reckons it will be better for them there but today is the shortest day of the year about 10 hours light, is this pointless too?)

I had them under an 18 watt t5 bulb in my growing space which has been about 35% humidity and average temp of 17 degrees C. The light was hung about 6 inches above the plant tips and has been on a 18-6 cycle. Yesterday i changed up to a 24 -0 but when i looked at them this morning they had stretched loads. Yesterday was also the first day i gave them water with a weak amount of food in it, like 1/4 normal strength.

Why are they doing this? Should i just chuck them away and start again as they look crap.

cheers 4 ur help
wast

[Easy Roller]

!8 watts is a bit weak....at least double it...six inces is too far ..2 inches is best...the lack of intense light is causing them to focus their energy on stem growth and not leaf....i doubt the window will give sufficient light at this time of year! lower your fluoro..and make a little reflector..from white paint or even paper or best mylar..if your too poor to afford a new light..use a suplementary reading lamp...

[wastwhg]

ok i just went to get new light. now i have a 36 and an 18 hung about 2-3 inches above the little buggers. the light is well reflected all round with foil and white plastic sheeting. hope this sorts them out as i want weed not cress!!!! so 54 watts in all. should do the trick no?
wastastic

[scobbie]

they are stretching because the light is to far move it two inches above plant and leave it there mine streched pretty badly at first but are now fine they will sort themselfs out

[Easy Roller]

OK Wastwhg ...well have you done..'Cress' ah joker...my little Skunk#1 is about as long as my dick[on the sag] and is reacting nicely to a 75 watt tube light, it has a small set of leaves and a new set on their way....bringing me much joy...what will you flower them with? Hps?

[Psycho4Bud]

they are stretching because the light is to far move it two inches above plant and leave it there mine streched pretty badly at first but are now fine they will sort themselfs out

DITTO!! :thumbsup:

[BkSkillz]

take my word for it up your setup you need about 8,000 lumens per plant for steady growth anywhere between 4,000 and 5500 kelvins or way higher wattage bulbs i thought my plants would continue to grow under a couple warm flouresents but once they reach a certain size and leaf formation then growth drasticly stops take a couple steps backwards and do some more research on growing and i garrentee it'll help u make drastic advancements in the long run..try the growfaq section here for great info and in the words of the wise and all knowing...go cheap grow cheap..good luck

[wastwhg]

well i have a 400 watt for when they are big enough. When they have about 4 set of real leaves ill stick them under the daddy light but untill then they stay under the two tube lights.
As for nutrients. What will they live on if i dont feed um? There is no goodness in rockwell and as soon as the roots are big enough they are going in the nft system for some serious growing time. it seems everyone in the world has a diffenert idea about what to feed um and when to start. The two i have in pots only need water as they cant fit in my nft, so they are side project.
cheers for the advice guys. They are looking much better already! The real leaves are growing properly now and as i have the lights on 24/7 they are flying.
bingo, bango, banjo.
i loves the green me, i loves it

[Savage Nature]

Be careful with foil, foil can focus the light on plants and burn holes in them. (Aluminum foil, tin foil, etc)

[Easy Roller]

Use the matt side of foil NOT the shiny side!...Better still use matt White emulsion...NOT brilliant white...better STILL ...MYLAR! [is inexpensive]....You have a similar set up to me...except I'm going hydro with my cuttings come the flower time!...so keep this thread alive and I will post my pics and journal anon.Download 'THE CANNABIS GROW BIBLE' by Greg Green! It's free on torrent sites and is a very good and easy manual for your needs! If you must feed them...Use a super dilute concentration at first and only feed half of them to see if they can handle it ..if they can't you will be sorry if all the plants die !

[dboy]

As for nutrients. What will they live on if i dont feed um? There is no goodness in rockwell and as soon as the roots are big enough they are going in the nft system for some serious growing time.

You can start giving them a LIGHT feeding at about 3-4 weeks. Then if they seem to be taking to that after another week or two then start increasing the fert. At seedling stage there's more danger in over-feeding than under-feeding. And most new growers tend to over-feed and over-water.

Dboy

[amstron]

Be careful with foil, foil can focus the light on plants and burn holes in them. (Aluminum foil, tin foil, etc)
has anyone done an experiment to prove this? just wondering

[Powder Puff]

It is something the pros say, so I wouldnt do it!:p

Also mirrors do the same thing, if they didn't, EVERYONE would ofcourse use mirrors.. 100% reflectaition!:D

[amstron]

actually the main reason for not using mirrors is that they absorb the light more, but hot spots is a matter aswell

[wastwhg]

so much to think of, so much to do.
they are growing (slowly) and i have fed um a bit but not everyday. might lay off the weak nutrients now though as common thought seems to go against it- even though they seem fine and look healthy. here r a couple of pics: (they are about 2 weeks from the day i put them in the rockwell) do they look ok for that age?

[Garden Knowm]

holey stretching!!!!!!!

hahahahahha

looks like turtles KAK

My dear friend mr. wash... get that freaking light closer.. so it is almost touching your plants.....

i love you

[wastwhg]

yeah they look like peter crouch, but r getting better (a bit like peter crouch).

[Easy Roller]

yeah they look like peter crouch, but r getting better (a bit like peter crouch).


LOL!

[Garden Knowm]

yeah they look like peter crouch, but r getting better (a bit like peter crouch).

i had to google him.. thanks for educating a YANKEE!!

i love you

: )

[wastwhg]

haha, yes good old peter is an english joke.
somehow i killed 3 of my babies and i have no idea how. Either im not very green fingured or perhaps i smoke far too much skunk and am therefore bloody useless and lazy. lol. probably a bit of both

[Garden Knowm]

dead?

you should solve this crime.. so it won't happen again...

[wastwhg]

yeah they just died. it was the day after i gave them some ferts (1/4 strength) and they just wilted. But it may have been because the rockwell got real dry when i forgot to water them (im good at this lark). Not sure which it is. I have two in soil which r growing much better than the others i have in rockwell (almost twice as fast). any ideas why this is? My ineptitude perhaps?

wast

[harmonicminor]

hey I was gonna say cover that rockwool with dirt or the moisture will go bye bye in the blink of an eye

[turtle420]

looks like turtles KAK

So this is what you do on the threads I don't follow closely...

[Garden Knowm]

ahahahah

there are others.. you haven't spotted yet..

i love you

[wastwhg]

god damn it: why r they dying???? plants not growing and the ones in rockwell are dying. The leaves are curling down and not getting any bigger. The leaves underneath ( the round ones) are getting yellow edges to them. THis is all not good, i may be forced to attack my growing room with an axe and go back to paying a fortune to feed my habit, magic.
does anyone have any ideas why its doing this?
wast (worlds shittest grower)

[Garden Knowm]

over watering....
are your plants still in rockwool cubes?
Oh man .. I am gonna catch shit for this....
Go bye a bag of Miracle grow and a 3 gallon pot... and some perlite
fill the bottom of the pot with perlite.. you will need to place a piece of newspaper down first to plug the holes... or else the perlite will run out the bottom...

put the cube in the pot full of dirt....

water thouroughly.. maybe a gallon of water...

put CFL over pot... make sure there is a fan on in the room.. doesnt need to be pointed at the plants.. just something to make sure the air is moving...

keep the light 3 inches from the top of your plant..

pray...

you now have a winner...

i love you

[wastwhg]

cheers for the advice knowm. I might have to do that as they just dont seem to want to grow in rockwell. I thought it was impossible (nearly) to overwater rockwell as its so porus? but if i stick them all in pots i wont be able to use my hydro toy i bought, lol. perhaps it would be better to have something to show for my time n effort. hmmmmmmm i really did think this would be easy (if farmers can do it surely anyone can!!!!).
right im going to give the little shits a day and if the big soaking i just gave them doesnt help then its soil n pots time (the good old days) and save the hydro till i have a semblance of knowledge.
nice 1
no one who snokes weed has a body like that knowm, ur just kidding us. weed n exersise aint the best of friends!!!!!
wast

[BkSkillz]

tisk tisk tisk knowm and his miracule grow...wait till father zandor see's that one...(miracule grow aka marijuana taboo)

[Easy Roller]

They died after you fed them?
What was the cause of death?
"errrrrrrrr" ....BINGOas the water evaporates the nutes become more and more concentrated!!! Hydro is for the non-lazy.... soil is more forgiving! those nute solutions are dodgy if not respected! Better luck next time ..lesson learned for everyone

[Trichome Creator]

"Plays the taps"

[Trichome Creator]

MIRACLE GRO?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Your right Knowm. You are gonna catch shit for that. LAWL.

[Easy Roller]

What's a KAK?

[turtle420]

MIRACLE GRO?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Your right Knowm. You are gonna catch shit for that. LAWL.
God damn it Trichome... those where fucking top-secret development photos!
You and Garden are in a world of shit... having infringed on my copyrights and trade-secrets...
<><><><>
Easy,
KAK=KACK=COCK

[Garden Knowm]

KAK=KACK=COCK

I agree.. and only this once... you are correct

[wastwhg]

i sorted it they are all looking much better now. probably more by accident than planning but thats the way it is. Why do something properly when u can 'stoner-it' instead. magic

[Easy Roller]

good work

[Garden Knowm]

NICE
pics please?

[wastwhg]

ummmm maybe i spoke too soon. darn this is harder than i ever thought it would be!!
i have 'dead-patches' forming on the lowest leaves on my plants in rockwell. it is like they have dried out on certain edges and gone brown n flaking away. It is only on the first leaves not on the newer ones above (the ones in soil r fine and growing v quick).
Today is their first day under the big light and it has got very hot in growing space -just under 30- but my themo probably isnt the greatest design and i will get a new one soon. I have the door open a bit, vents in the roof and a 9 inch fan blowing on them all the day. Is this too hot? 30? i have even turned the heating off in my room where they r growing to try and lower temp completely. Also one last thing: my humidity is very low (25-35) will this cause a problem? if it does then what is the best way to go about raising the humidity without buying expensive gadgets off web (feeling the post xmas pinch as the poker tables aint being so kind at moment-grrrrrrr).
Lightly spraying them with water?? or am i talking shite.
cheers for ur help guys
wast

[wastwhg]

just to add to that last thread: to i take my temp reading with the themo right next to the plants or as a general air temp in the room. I ask this because surely the light belting down direct on the themo would give a false reading????? i have been known to be wrong sometimes though (lol)
wast

[turtle420]

just to add to that last thread: to i take my temp reading with the themo right next to the plants or as a general air temp in the room. I ask this because surely the light belting down direct on the themo would give a false reading????? i have been known to be wrong sometimes though (lol)
wast
Both.

Get your "general air temp" reading...
And for your 2nd reading, place your thermometer at "canopy level"... and place a little piece of cardboard or something over your thermometer, so it doesn't get hot from the direct light.

With that technique, you'll get two air temperature readings.

If all else fails, just blame Garden. It's worked for me in the past. ;)

-turtle420 :cool: