Confused as fuck...can anyone explain this?

[BabySnookums]

ok i used to hang around with a really religious family...the daughter was my best friend. but its been along time so i dont really know if i remember the bible stuff correctly. and this post isn't meant to poke fun at the bible its an honest question....so anyone with real input please respond...


anyways:

ok in the beginning, like when adam and eve's kids went off on their own, didn't they end up being with women/men that weren't "of god"? like basicly as if they went off outta the garden or whatever...found other people roaming around, and got with em and stuff.

i dunno if this is making any sense. but my question is....if God created everyone/everything...then how were there other people on the earth? if the only ones he made were adam, eve, and their peoples?

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[PureEvil760]

the story of adam and eve is a parable.. it is false..like 99.9 % of the stuff in the bible

[CocaCola]

But have faith1!

[H8Monger]

Actually, there weren't other people. Adam and Eve did it with each other and their kids did it with each other etc.. It's a story of incest but they had to start somewhere.

[RastaKaze]

Wrong. LOL, The story of adam and eve is complete bullshit (They had two sons, DER!) Alot of the books in the bible are either false or altered greatly from their originals in order to provide "explanations" for christianity. Fact is, a ton of 'em were written just to keep people of the catholic church in order...

[mrdevious]

yeah, that whole incest deal always confused me. I picked up a bible to try to clear that up, but it was more like "so adam and eve had kids, and those kids married up with bob and bill (who came out of nowhere), who hitched up with jim and tim (who came out of nowhere).......". I'm rather surprised that the intelligent design proponents on CNN were still trying to prove how we can all trace our lineage to adam and eve, especially since we need something like 230 people to make a clean enough gene pool. I think 40 is the minumum innitial number to maintain a species, assuming you don't mind all the drawbacks of some harsh inbreeding.

[BabySnookums]

well i know that i believe that the bible is TOTAL BULLSHIT...lmao...but i seem to recall somewhere they say that they left and went out into the rest of the earth and ended up finding wives and junk...but the wives i'm speaking of weren't their sisters. i dunno. maybe someday i'll look it up online cuz i'm not gonna bring a bible into my house.

but yeah the reason i asked yall is cuz i asked a guy at the washateria yesterday afternoon the same question and he never once attempted to answer it. just spouted off something about how god is real and he wants us to worship him. :confused: :confused:

fuckin fanatics :mad:

[eg420ne]

the story of adam and eve is a parable.. it is false..like 99.9 % of the stuff in the bible
Wheres your proof on this--- link please

[eg420ne]

I need some proof on this bible is bull-shitt stuff--any1 with links lol---How do we know its bullshit how do we know whats true or not we'd been lied to from day 1. I want to know the truth on whatreallyhappened in the beginning of the world. Im getting tired of people saying this is bullshit & thats bullshit without any proof to back it up not even the smartest person in the world can bring proof of what went on....I just want the truth man..Im just asking no reason to get atheist on me alright :thumbsup:

[RastaKaze]

LOL grab a book on the history of christianity man... I swear it's almost funny to discover how many of the books conflict with the religion itself... None of it makes sense man, why do you think people get all offended when you question the reality of jesus and god, etc? Cuz they don't have SHIT to back up their beleifs...

[smokincajun]

Actually, while Adam and Eve did have two sons, Cain & Able (one killed the other), they had several more children after that and they did do some incest (sis, only if you were the only chick on earth besides mom). I'd try reading the Bible before making claims that it's a bunch of BS.

I personally believe it's true; besides, it has better insight than "if you blow up yourself and other innocent people, you will have 30 virgins waiting for you to have sex on the other side".

Also, the Bible acknowledges that none of us are perfect and that we can't achieve perfection in this life. We were all made in the image of Adam, the fallen man ("fell" in the Garden of Eden), but the Bible says that's why Jesus came and lived a perfect life for us and was crucified, to pay our debt for our sin and imperfection b/c we can't do it ourselves. Not preaching, just trying to give a view that isn't muddled with "send me your money" or "you're gonna burn, you evildoers". Jesus hung out with "sinners", but it was the religious of his day that he said would be the ones to burn. Just my observations. I know many disagree, and that's quite alright.

[Euphoric]

Yup..its a story of incest. Adam and eve made babies who made babies with each other.
Supposedly they were geneticly superior and could live for hundreds of years back then. As more people bred with each other we came to this point where we only live almost to 100.
Of course the bible is a beautiful pack of lies. But thats how the story goes.

[smokincajun]

And as far as evolution is concerned, if one person evolved, was it man or woman? And if two evolved, and one "happened" to evolve into a man & the other a woman, they would have had to evolve at the same time, and would they not have sex and have children, who would have to have sex w/each other? I don't get evolution myself...I mean, what are the odds that an ape would evolve into a human, and if so, they would have to have sex with other apes, right? The odds are so against it (evolution), and still how often are mutations (what evolutionist claim is how humans came about) beneficial? I firmly believe in adaptation, but not evolution. Below is one link for the argument of creation, but there are many more. I like to tell folks I beleive in creation...they think I'm nuts!!! Call me a rebel, but I like to root for the underdog!

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=home&action=resources&page=resources_tracts_caic#iv

[smokincajun]

I've got a deep one for you...which came first, the chicken or the egg?


I think the chicken, but she still got laid!!

[RastaKaze]

I'm sorry... I hate to disrespect your beleifs, and I'm terribly sorry, it's just... christianity is a JOKE :) The entire concept of man and his relation to the creator is totally fucked up. And so is that heaven/hell concept. Like if you sin you are going burn in hell when you pass? Talk about a way to keep people in control :rolleyes: Man, learn up on the different perspectives of the religion and not just your own. You might just learn a thing or two.

[RastaKaze]

It's so fucking hilarious too. It's like christianity is truly a fictional religion. Just a bunch of crazy high people writing stories about the earth and it's creation to give people something to beleive in. All of the books were written WAY after any of that shit happened. Way after the supposed birth and death of christ... How on earth do you put your trust in some 5th or 6th century writers? Like because they was around so long ago they know somethin' we dont? Get REAL :p

[420kidder]

Without saying too much, I will say that I personally believe that a lot of
those ideas or beliefs were created a long time ago to give clueless people
something to believe in. I think my grandmother said it best the other day when she said without god, or church, she would've never been able to take
care of my grandfather as long as she has.

It's relatively impossible for any of those beliefs to make sense, not to
mention improbable. Definitely research and draw your own conclusions. :)

[smokincajun]

Not a problem, we all have our beliefs. I believe what I believe same goes for you. The way I look at it, if I believe and I'm right, then it's all good, and if I'm wrong, no loss. But if I'm wrong, well then that would suck. It's a choice we all make, to believe what we want. We'll just have to wait and see who's right....

[RastaKaze]

Great outlook smokincajun, that's what its all about, not caring what the fuck anyone says, beleiving in something because you TRULY beleive it. Respect :)

[smokincajun]

Without saying too much, I will say that I personally believe that a lot of
those ideas or beliefs were created a long time ago to give clueless people
something to believe in. I think my grandmother said it best the other day when she said without god, or church, she would've never been able to take
care of my grandfather as long as she has.

It's relatively impossible for any of those beliefs to make sense, not to
mention improbable. Definitely research and draw your own conclusions. :)

Grandmas are cool; so are Grandpas. At least most of them anyway. I've been through a lot in my life, and I believe that without God (not neccesarily depending on church), I'd probably be dead or in jail. I realize I'm drawing some conclusions based on the unseen, but I guess that's faith. Folks can call me clueless, a fool, naive or what you will. Hey - that pretty green plant that we all enjoy had to come from somewhere! I'm not much of a debator, so I'll leave it at that and get down off my soapbox now. Peace, and Merry Christmas to all!

[smokincajun]

Great outlook smokincajun, that's what its all about, not caring what the fuck anyone says, beleiving in something because you TRULY beleive it. Respect :)

Thanks, and same to you (respect)!

[slipknotpsycho]

you know it's useless to ask something like this to any god believing person... the only thing every christian seems to be good at (i say every, because each person of course would have their good/bad things that tehy do well/bad) is making excuses when a MAJOR (not talking about shit like in this book it says he was on the right but in this one it says the left, we're talking about major contradictions that change everything) flaw in their book is pointed out... i've tried to corner them numerous times here and lots of other places, and every time i have something "so good there's no way they'll find their way out of it" they immediately spout off some excuse, i think at this point they're more afraid to admit we (atheist, agnostics, non believers, and believers of rival religions) have been right all along more than it is that they think they're right....but i can see christianity (along with religions in generally) is slowly dying off, because as we grow smarter and smarter, back in the day people were so scared of god they'd do anything someone told htem to do, just to not piss him off... and as you can see, it's not like that anymore...may not be in this lifetime or the next, but i have a feeling eventually we will find absolutely air-tight solid proof that a god or gods never did exist.

[PureEvil760]

there is a god it is a fact. a human can not even begin to comprehend the complexities of the universe therefore almost all religeon is false. the person that ever got closest to the truth still only could possibly know 1/1000000 of true reality. Human conversation is really just pointless in that scope. I use conversation to communicate and for fun but it doesnt control my life like most people.

[psychopixi]

Right, let's see:

Genesis 1:26 - The [Elohim] said, "Let us make humanity in our own image, in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild beasts and all the reptiles that crawl upon the earth."

Elohim is a plural word, including male and female, and should properly be translated "Gods" or "Pantheon."

27 The Gods created humanity in the image of themselves, In the image of the Gods they created them, Male and Female they created them.
28 The Gods blessed them, saying to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and conquer it. Be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven and all living animals on the earth."

Now clearly, here we are talking about the original creation of the human species: male and female. All the animals,plants, etc. have all been created in previous verses. This is before the Garden of Eden, and Yahweh is not mentioned as the creator of these people. The next chapter talks about how Yahweh, an individual member of the Pantheon, goes about assembling his own special little botanical and zoological Garden in Eden, and making his own little man to inhabit it:

Gen 2:7 - Yahweh God fashioned a man of dust from the soil. Then he breathed into his nostrils a breath of life, and thus the man became a living being.
8 Yahweh God planted a garden in Eden which is in the east, and there he put the man he had fashioned.
9 Yahweh God caused to spring up from the soil every kind of tree, enticing to look at and good to eat, with the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the middle of the garden.
15 Yahweh God took the man and settled him in the garden of Eden to cultivate and take care of it.

So that's the creation of Adam and Eve... now let's move onto the kids...

8 Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let us go out;" and while they were in the open country, Cain set on his brother Abel and killed him.

Accursed and marked for fratricide,
16 Cain left the presence of Yahweh and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

We can assume that the phrase "left the presence of Yahweh" implies that Yahweh is a local deity, and not omnipresent. Now Eden, according to Gen. 2:14-15, was situated at the source of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, apparently right where Lake Van is now, in Turkey. "East of Eden," therefore, would probably be along the shores of the Caspian Sea, right in the Indo-European heartland. Cain settled in there, among the people of Nod, and married one of the women of that country. Here, for the first time, is specifically mentioned the "other people" who are not of the lineage of Adam and Eve. I.e., the Pagans.

17 Cain had intercourse with his wife, and she conceived and gave birth to Enoch. He became builder of a town, and he gave the town the name of his son Enoch.

With both of their first sons not turning out very well, Adam and Eve decided to try again:

25 Adam had intercourse with his wife, and she gave birth to a son whom she named Seth...
26 A son was also born to Seth, and he named him Enosh. This man was the first to invoke the name of Yahweh.

Now it doesn't mention here where Seth's wife came from. Another woman from Nod, possibly, or maybe someone from another neolithic community downstream in the Tigris-Euphrates valley. But her folks also, cannot be of the lineage of Adam and Eve, and must also be counted among "the other people."

[beachguy in thongs]

well i know that i believe that the bible is TOTAL BULLSHIT...lmao... :confused: :confused:

fuckin fanatics :mad:
I'm no religious fanatic by any means, but there's a lot, probably, most, that is not bullshit.

Ex:
"People are like grass that dies away;
their beauty fades as quickly as the beauty of wildflowers.
The grass withers,
and the flowers all away.
But the word of the Lord will last forever."

Adam and Eve is a 3,500 year old story. It's the origin of story-telling. You can't have Ralph Kramden without Alice, can ya'?

[eg420ne]

Government Of Disease

[slipknotpsycho]

there is a god it is a fact. where's the proof of this god? science has already shown how evolution could've happened, and explained it thorougly, true it doesn't say where it started from, but none the less it shows how every living thing evolved from one thing... yet all you religious people can say on the subject, is that some magical being that's all powerful made everything and nothing ever changed or evolved... now if this being is so complex that the human being could even fathem it, well frankly how the fuck do you get off even trying to guess what it would be? if it's as completely in-understandable as you all claim then how do you know what it did, or what it created? you talk about it all the time, saying that it wants us to worship it, that if we don't follow the rules he gave us we'll burn in hell, and so fourth... if the human mind can in no way shape or form understand this thing, then how the hell do you know what it wants? how did these rules ever come to be, obviously for us to have found out about these rules it would of had to spoken to us in some way, to tell us what it wants, but yet this thing is so complicated and "godly" that the human mind can't even begin to understand it... do you realize how little sense that makes?

[sm0k1t]

for the story Adam and Eve, both ways, revolution and god are true..depends on how you read and understand the bible (forbidden fruit is sex has the same meaning as science with the progress of technologie to a proof that we come from 1 man 1 femelle....simple as that....

just proof that both God and Evolution exist...like you said just the words =D

infinity, immortalitiy of soul
infinity of universe, high probability of other life forms with different evolution paterns, the possibilities of science thru our existence imortality of the human race throughtout the universes (wathever scenario you can imagine for the human race in the futur that is possible with the uprising of technologie and uprising of global peace or total anhiliation of the human race exept maybe 4 or 7 peeps healthy and smokin herb (WE ARE NOT IDIOTS LOL) <oh so nice =D im soooo high and listening to my new cd of Bob Marley: Spiritual Journey =D having nice thoughts, positive thoughts =D) and we rebuild the human race ! optimistic shit aint it not =D

of course there is the total ahniliation of the human race that is a possibility but hey life is like a game and the more we have some good will players and some great brain in the group anything is possible with all the people on earth workin together with all the gifted childs <I'm really optimistic tonight =D I dont know why but I sure hell know its the herb that's making the ideas...and Bob Marley's music helps so could we say its spiritual and scientific at the same time now =) dont worry someday some far far far far day now =) still have 4.5 billion years till the sun blows up =D just have to get together and clean up the mess we made (lol for some Rastafarian its like returning to an euthopia (my meaning of euthopia is that Earth will be a safe place to live for a couple of decades and we are in buisness lol as a buisnessman would say ! not funny...)

enough for now...you get the message you smoke herbs also...
sorry for the shity writing..I'm high lol =P
words =P

[PureEvil760]

dewy on malcom in the middle said it best "me trying to see what god is thinking is like an ant trying to see what im thinking"