When will people learn there's no god?

[420kidder]

I understand everyone is entitled to their own belief. I just don't understand how people can go around publicly admitting to their own stupidity.

"Hey Matt, did Santa stop by lastnight?"

That person would be considered a looney tune if he/she was serious.

So why then when we know that there is no such thing as god, and that scientifically it's not possible. (Yeah, god made everyone and everything including the animals, dirt and trees. It has nothing to do with planet formation, and/or evolution - Well what made god?)

I was just reading a story about a pregnant skydiver and was pissed off. Not only was the dumb woman stupid enough to land face first without her parachute working (ROFLMAO!!) but after finding out that she was pregnant, her response was:

"Just this last week we went and saw the doctor and we've got arms, we've got legs. We've got a full face. The baby is moving around just fine. The heart rate looks good. So not only did God save me but he spared this baby."

You can read the full thing on http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213/ap_on_re_us/skydiver_s_plunge if ya want. But come on people. No one has ever met god (because he's non existent duh), it's ok when you die because god's taking care of you? (omfg) and these crazy people waste so much time on religion.

My family made me get my 1st communion and confirmation when I was a kid. I think it's bullshit because I wasn't old enough to make these decisions. Why does it anger me that people waste their own time? Because I always have to hear about it. We need more people talking about how god is fake, maybe then people won't push their religious garbage on people like me if they knew how stupid they sound.

My cousin about a month ago was telling me that there is a god of some sort because when she decided to come down with her mom to visit my grandfather (because he has cancer and isn't doing good) something made her come. Something told her to come. Ok, so if it wasn't the fact that we found out 2 weeks ago that he has cancer and isn't doing good, then what was it? Well, it couldn't have been the obvious, lets go with God.

Sometimes stupid people (its ok if you think I'm stupid, I don't care :cool:) get on my nerves because I can't understand how stupid they are, and why they are so accepting of a fictional character made up long long ago. You'd think with SCIENCE people would say, "Oh so that's why."

Anyone disagree with me here on this one? Are ya gonna tell me that god is special and great and if it wasn't for him I wouldn't be here? How about if it wasn't for my mother and father having sex, and of course their mothers and fathers, etc. Oh wait, god is my real maker... Fucking morons.

[Whos Carl]

I believe do what you want. Of course there are exceptions if it effects someone else in a way they dont like then it shouldnt be allowed. Thats pretty much it.

Just live by your rules unless it hurts other.

Good hey?>

[Whos Carl]

OOO right there is a MOD for this but not any other time.

[Az.]

well you are doing he exact same as the people pushing their religion in other peoples faces.....only the other way around....

God says to go to heaven you must have faith in him.....faith is simply believing in somthing that has no proof.....so I guess he is not planning to show himself otherwise there would be proof that he exists.

I dont believe in the christian sense of God but I think people should be entitled to their own opinions...if it makes them happy or they feel they have a connection with God then they should be allowed to do it aslong as it isnt harming others as Who's Carl said...

But it kinda works both ways really....

How strange i started writing this in the lounge then when i posted it i was in spirituality.!! Carzy shit!!!

[420kidder]

Yeah you are right, but I feel like so many people are needlessly wasting their time, and yes I know it's their decision, but I feel like people should realize that you should do good for people, not steal or kill, etc. But not because you're going to go to heaven or hell, but because those things aren't nice things to do. :)

I don't like seeing people like my grandmother who is in her early 70s and goes to church atleast 3 times per week. There's ice all over the driveway, etc. and she'll risk falling on it and braking a hip just because her mind is so made up that that's what 'god' wants. If I say anything to try and make her realize that maybe god isn't real and was made up a long time ago then she gets mad and changes the subject.

I ask my grandmother if it's fair that priests can't have sex (with women :thumbsup: ) and she just ignores the question or says something like, they don't have to be priests if they don't want to. There are some other things that she doesn't necessarily agree with, but because it's her religion she'll go out of her way. When I ask if she's researched other religions to ensure she's found the right now, her response is, "No I haven't because mine is the right one." Wow, that response shows intelligence.

I love my grandmother and I don't discuss this almost ever because I don't want her to think I'm evil or anything, but how could you not find fault in people getting their children into religion before they're old enough to make their own decisions, and then sticking to that religion without even researching other religions first just because your mommy and daddy 70 years ago told you that you were catholic?

Grrrrrr

[420kidder]

How strange i started writing this in the lounge then when i posted it i was in spirituality.!! Carzy shit!!!

HAHAHA yeah I know that's silly. But you're right, I was just venting because of the article where god not only saved her, but her baby. I think of it in more technical terms like, wow, your crappy shoot opened but didn't work, and when the backup deployed it was too late for you to stop, but atleast you slowed way down. It's amazing that your baby is ok, but then again if you didn't know you were pregnant it was probably an egg. :)

Everyone should be entitled to their beliefs without criticism from me, but I wish people would do more for themselves when in need besides pray. My grandfather just found out that he has cancer, what does my grandmother do you ask? Spend more time with him? NOPE - She prays more for him.

Her 100 year old mother who she takes care of, why is she still here? Not because of her diet, or the fact that she never worked a day in her life, or the fact that she's been babied since my grandmother can remember. None of that, it's because god hasn't taken her yet. He must have plans of some sort. I feel like I'm living in a fictional book sometimes heh.

But yes you're right, I'm doing exactly what they're doing by pushing my beliefs, but I can back up the fact that there's no god, no one can back up that there is. :) Ok, no matter what I say I'm going to be wrong here lol, but atleast I vented.

[scooterjay]

read or watch "stigmata". i believe that faith is the real God.....a collection of thoughts, spirits and lifeforce that has always been and forever will be. a human being is an electrical device. all the motor neurons, synaptic junctions and thought impulses are electrical current. electrical current, or EMF (electromotive force) is movement of electrons. electrons are matter composed of subparticles that i won't even attempt to explain. when a human dies there is no electrical activity left. where does the matter (electrons) go? according to the first law of physics, matter can neither be created nor destroyed. do the free electrons leave the body and join with other atomic particles? i look forward to the day when my questions will be answered. i personally don't believe in churches. "cleave a stone and i am there".

[ADaisyChain]

I understand everyone is entitled to their own belief. I just don't understand how people can go around publicly admitting to their own stupidity.

"Hey Matt, did Santa stop by lastnight?"

That person would be considered a looney tune if he/she was serious.

So why then when we know that there is no such thing as god, and that scientifically it's not possible. (Yeah, god made everyone and everything including the animals, dirt and trees. It has nothing to do with planet formation, and/or evolution - Well what made god?)

I was just reading a story about a pregnant skydiver and was pissed off. Not only was the dumb woman stupid enough to land face first without her parachute working (ROFLMAO!!) but after finding out that she was pregnant, her response was:

"Just this last week we went and saw the doctor and we've got arms, we've got legs. We've got a full face. The baby is moving around just fine. The heart rate looks good. So not only did God save me but he spared this baby."

You can read the full thing on http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213/ap_on_re_us/skydiver_s_plunge if ya want. But come on people. No one has ever met god (because he's non existent duh), it's ok when you die because god's taking care of you? (omfg) and these crazy people waste so much time on religion.

My family made me get my 1st communion and confirmation when I was a kid. I think it's bullshit because I wasn't old enough to make these decisions. Why does it anger me that people waste their own time? Because I always have to hear about it. We need more people talking about how god is fake, maybe then people won't push their religious garbage on people like me if they knew how stupid they sound.

My cousin about a month ago was telling me that there is a god of some sort because when she decided to come down with her mom to visit my grandfather (because he has cancer and isn't doing good) something made her come. Something told her to come. Ok, so if it wasn't the fact that we found out 2 weeks ago that he has cancer and isn't doing good, then what was it? Well, it couldn't have been the obvious, lets go with God.

Sometimes stupid people (its ok if you think I'm stupid, I don't care :cool:) get on my nerves because I can't understand how stupid they are, and why they are so accepting of a fictional character made up long long ago. You'd think with SCIENCE people would say, "Oh so that's why."

Anyone disagree with me here on this one? Are ya gonna tell me that god is special and great and if it wasn't for him I wouldn't be here? How about if it wasn't for my mother and father having sex, and of course their mothers and fathers, etc. Oh wait, god is my real maker... Fucking morons.

Think for yourself please. Im an atheist too, but you're a joke.

Stop being an atheist child and be an atheist adult if those are your real beliefs and not just the beliefs imposed on you by pseudo-rebellion.

Argue the real argument, love your fellow man if that's really all you believe is there, and don't call people stupid for following the laws of physics.

And don't use science as an argument against religion. It's modernized religion made complicated so that all the same beliefs could be accepted by people with fakely complicated brains.

[war on drugs sucks]

anyone who presumes to know ther is no god is a pompous ass. Conversely, anyone who claims to KNOW that there is one is just as pompous. One thing Ive learned in my time here on earth is that no one has ALL the answers. Not science, not religion, not philosophy, not you... no one.

[ADaisyChain]

anyone who presumes to know ther is no god is a pompous ass. Conversely, anyone who claims to KNOW that there is one is just as pompous. One thing Ive learned in my time here on earth is that no one has ALL the answers. Not science, not religion, not philosophy, not you... no one.

I think I like this alot.

[CocaCola]

There is a God... but what God actually IS is debatable. People who beleive there is actually a guy up in the sky looking down on everyone... well, I just don't know what to say to those people... um... No there isn't?

[beachguy in thongs]

When will people learn that just by mentioning God they are bringing Him into existence?

[420kidder]

Think for yourself please. Im an atheist too, but you're a joke.

Stop being an atheist child and be an atheist adult if those are your real beliefs and not just the beliefs imposed on you by pseudo-rebellion.

Argue the real argument, love your fellow man if that's really all you believe is there, and don't call people stupid for following the laws of physics.

And don't use science as an argument against religion. It's modernized religion made complicated so that all the same beliefs could be accepted by people with fakely complicated brains.

I don't know where to start with your post. I'm a joke because I'm being an atheist child? Differentiate the two for me if you will. You say that I'm calling people stupid for following the laws of physics? What laws might those be that I was referring to? Don't use science to argue against religion? What the hell else am I supposed to use? Your post barely makes any sense.

[420kidder]

anyone who presumes to know ther is no god is a pompous ass. Conversely, anyone who claims to KNOW that there is one is just as pompous. One thing Ive learned in my time here on earth is that no one has ALL the answers. Not science, not religion, not philosophy, not you... no one.

I hear your opinion, or lack there of. I'm not saying that I have all the answers, but I am saying that you have to be a fucking idiot to believe that someone has been around "forever" and that his word is different depending on who you ask, etc.

May I ask which god then is the real god if god truly is real?

[420kidder]

When will people learn that just by mentioning God they are bringing Him into existence?

Just because I mention that pigs fly out of my ass doesn't mean it really happens. I've mentioned satan, he's not real either. Shit, I was talking about Santa earlier in this thread, are you still a believer?

[PureEvil760]

Only in death are you truely born

[jimbones]

Only a fool says there is no God.

[Torog]

Only a fool says there is no God.
Howdy Jim,

That's a big 10-4 ! One may as well say that there's no such thing as atoms,molecules and germs,just because we can't see em,don't mean that they ain't there.

Have a good one !

[Oneironaut]

Howdy Jim,

That's a big 10-4 ! One may as well say that there's no such thing as atoms,molecules and germs,just because we can't see em,don't mean that they ain't there.

Have a good one !
Yeah, but we can prove they're there. All the evidence points to their existence. We don't have to take the existence of these things on "faith". In fact, I've seen germs with my own two eyes (and the aid of a microscope). To deny that atoms, molecules and germs exist is to deny huge wealths of observations which have lead the scientific community to this conclusion because there simply is no alternative explanation that could possibly fit in with the data. Please, show me one peer-reviewed scientific paper which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the physical evidence at hand could only be so if there was some giant invisible totalitarian dictator of the universe.

[beachguy in thongs]

Just because I mention that pigs fly out of my ass doesn't mean it really happens. I've mentioned satan, he's not real either. Shit, I was talking about Santa earlier in this thread, are you still a believer?
Okay, well I can mention horses jumping out of my ears, it's impossible for pigs to fly out of your ass, they'd never fit.

You've mentioned Satan, but you can't prove that there is no such thing as "supernatural evil".

I never said I am a believer in God, but I do have faith, which lets me go on with my day instead of debating His existence.

And yes, I believe there is a God.

[beachguy in thongs]

By the way, God does not have absolute power over us.

[Oneironaut]

By the way, God does not have absolute power over us.
Well, it depends on how you define "God". Everybody seems to have their own definition, but the one I'm using refers to an omniscient, omnipotent creator of the universe. By definition, such a being must have absolute control over everything. Every event happens only because this entity created a universe in which he knew perfectly well that the objects involved would configure themselves in such a manner to produce the event. If he wanted a different universe, he would have set up the initial conditions differently, or would intervene so as to prevent the event from happening. In any case, if we're going to assume the existence of an omniscient, omnipotent creator of the universe called God, everything exists only because God created it and everything happens only because God made it happen and lets it happen.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

when? when wwill people learn?


when God comes down on a space ship, and is a 5000 foot tall human that radiates light, says in a booming voice, "gotcha!" and explains he's actually an "alien" as we call them. lol

[Mellow Man]

I understand everyone is entitled to their own belief. I just don't understand how people can go around publicly admitting to their own stupidity.

"Hey Matt, did Santa stop by lastnight?"

That person would be considered a looney tune if he/she was serious.

So why then when we know that there is no such thing as god, and that scientifically it's not possible. (Yeah, god made everyone and everything including the animals, dirt and trees. It has nothing to do with planet formation, and/or evolution - Well what made god?)

I was just reading a story about a pregnant skydiver and was pissed off. Not only was the dumb woman stupid enough to land face first without her parachute working (ROFLMAO!!) but after finding out that she was pregnant, her response was:

"Just this last week we went and saw the doctor and we've got arms, we've got legs. We've got a full face. The baby is moving around just fine. The heart rate looks good. So not only did God save me but he spared this baby."

You can read the full thing on http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213/ap_on_re_us/skydiver_s_plunge if ya want. But come on people. No one has ever met god (because he's non existent duh), it's ok when you die because god's taking care of you? (omfg) and these crazy people waste so much time on religion.

My family made me get my 1st communion and confirmation when I was a kid. I think it's bullshit because I wasn't old enough to make these decisions. Why does it anger me that people waste their own time? Because I always have to hear about it. We need more people talking about how god is fake, maybe then people won't push their religious garbage on people like me if they knew how stupid they sound.

My cousin about a month ago was telling me that there is a god of some sort because when she decided to come down with her mom to visit my grandfather (because he has cancer and isn't doing good) something made her come. Something told her to come. Ok, so if it wasn't the fact that we found out 2 weeks ago that he has cancer and isn't doing good, then what was it? Well, it couldn't have been the obvious, lets go with God.

Sometimes stupid people (its ok if you think I'm stupid, I don't care :cool:) get on my nerves because I can't understand how stupid they are, and why they are so accepting of a fictional character made up long long ago. You'd think with SCIENCE people would say, "Oh so that's why."

Anyone disagree with me here on this one? Are ya gonna tell me that god is special and great and if it wasn't for him I wouldn't be here? How about if it wasn't for my mother and father having sex, and of course their mothers and fathers, etc. Oh wait, god is my real maker... Fucking morons.


Man kind can't answer the less of a seriouse question,for example man can't even tell us anything outside our own solar system but yet figured everything out???? if you can't answer the smaller questions what makes man a authority on the question of God???....................

[beachguy in thongs]

Well, it depends on how you define "God". omniscient, omnipotent creator of the universe. must have absolute control over everything. he knew perfectly well that the objects involved would configure themselves in such a manner to produce the event. to assume the existence of an omniscient, omnipotent creator of the universe called God, everything exists only because God created it and everything happens only because God made it happen and lets it happen.

God doesn't have Absolute Power because He gave Us freewill. That's why you can smoke weed in Ghana but not the U.S.

I believe that God would have to equal Life. How can a non-life form create life? We may be the Universe in God's eyes, while there is another universe in his testicals, there's no proof against it. We may be a molecule of one-single living organism in a greater universe. Whatever way it may be, the only way God knew Life existed was because he once was alive.

I'm lost and need to rejuvenate.

edit: By the way, I like what you said, bringing the amazement of the Cosmos into this.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

god is the first ego to enter the mind, and god took form of the first thoughts god percieved; all; omnipotence, omniscence, existance (omnipresence, i think).

and god began recruiting other egos from the nothing (or source, or whatever you want to call it) for other elements of reality; chaos, fire, psi...

i like what mellow man said, and it's logical.


we are beings of ignorance and are forced to study the universe and see it from inside to get an understanding of it.

then we challenge the existance of something greater than our understanding of what we have percieved, even light of our own ignorance, we will close up our childhood open mindedness, in light of science and skeptical logic.


open minded logic will prevail over skeptical logic, because openmindedness is posed no limits.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

oh, and in arguement in favor of science and religion, using evolution as the link:

it is possible that the evolution of the earth was in transition of metaphysical to physical existance, and that all forms of evolution coexist, just on different demensions.

[CocaCola]

Howdy Jim,

That's a big 10-4 ! One may as well say that there's no such thing as atoms,molecules and germs,just because we can't see em,don't mean that they ain't there.

Have a good one !

This is the problem... you can't see God... but you CAN see atoms... um... hello?

And it's not being skeptical, it's just being realistic... I can say that I believe in fucking gemlins but that doesn't make me fucking open-minded, it would make me a stupid fucking moron.

[420kidder]

This is the problem... you can't see God... but you CAN see atoms... um... hello?

And it's not being skeptical, it's just being realistic... I can say that I believe in fucking gemlins but that doesn't make me fucking open-minded, it would make me a stupid fucking moron.

Exactly, exactly!! :thumbsup:

[CocaCola]

Watch, they are gonna come back with more stupid crap about how I can't open my mind to an invisable being who lives in a magical kingdom in the sky... lol

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Watch, they are gonna come back with more stupid crap about how I can't open my mind to an invisable being who lives in a magical kingdom in the sky... lolyeah... sorry.


god would have to exist on negatives.

negative microscopic value...


you get to "the smallest" point in microscopic, and then... 0.

negatives.

technically, 0 deos not exist microscopically. therefore negative microscopic values would be inherently impossible.


it is in the negative values that one would argue the ("physical") proof of god exists.

but then science would give it some fancy name and it wouldnt be god anymore, and we'd probably eventually find out that it is the source of all our thinking abilities, and stuff... i dunno.

[CocaCola]

Yes, exactly... I believe in God and I'm a very spiritual person... but I have my own definition of what God is and I don't know... to me, my idea just sounds more plausible. But you guys can go believe whatever you want! That's the glory 'a' God!

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

haha except my understanding is based on the only true truth, you cant believe anything else, because it's not based on the only truth being the ability to make thoughts reality!!!


hahahahaaaaaaaaaa my god can kick your god's ass!

[beachguy in thongs]

yeah... sorry.


god would have to exist on negatives.

negative microscopic value...


you get to "the smallest" point in microscopic, and then... 0.

negatives.

technically, 0 deos not exist microscopically. therefore negative microscopic values would be inherently impossible.


it is in the negative values that one would argue the ("physical") proof of god exists.

but then science would give it some fancy name and it wouldnt be god anymore, and we'd probably eventually find out that it is the source of all our thinking abilities, and stuff... i dunno.


Not saying you're right or wrong, but...

You took the long way in saying negatives don't exist and there is no god.

[CocaCola]

haha except my understanding is based on the only true truth, you cant believe anything else, because it's not based on the only truth being the ability to make thoughts reality!!!


hahahahaaaaaaaaaa my god can kick your god's ass!
...

[beachguy in thongs]

Okay, puny earthlings, I have spoken to God and he said, "Hong Kong phooey shall return to Network TV, someday."

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Not saying you're right or wrong, but...

You took the long way in saying negatives don't exist and there is no god.not even remotely accurate, my friend.


i said that we have no way of PROVING it.


proof = seeing is believing.


reality is created by believing is seeing.

therefore reality cannot be proven lol so it doesnt exist! :D therefore god created reality, and exists just like reality does.

[CocaCola]

You're logic makes no sense@!

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

BASED ON YOUR' SEEING IS BELIEVING.

[CocaCola]

Seeing isn't believing... none of our posts stated that argument. Or mine didn't, anyways...

[Professor Dan K.]

I don't believe in god, but I do believe that people can believe whatever they want to believe as long as they don't force their beliefs on me, this is why I really hate missionaries who seek out tribes and force their religious beliefs on them, telling them that our god is the only god and what you believed in prior to us coming was completely wrong.

So many wars and deaths have been caused over religion, don't get me wrong many have been caused for other reasons as well. I truly don't understand how anyone can believe in a god with what modern day sciences have proven, but I know its there opinion and I choose to let it be.


EDIT: I just relized how many times I typed "believe".... man if I could somehow put into text what I'm thinking this would be so much easier... of course being blazed off my ass doesn't help either :rasta:

[CocaCola]

^ MMHMMM

[Professor Dan K.]

Also something else to think about.

So how many religions are out there? I have no idea, too many to count. They all believe that their religion is the only one that is right, correct? If they are all correct, how can any of them actually be correct? If Christians say Christianity is right and The Islamic faith is wrong, and the Muslims say just the opposite... how will we know who is right? If anyone.

Hope I didn't confuse anyone there :)

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Seeing isn't believing... none of our posts stated that argument. Or mine didn't, anyways...no, but they operate on that logic.


in fact, that is how science operates.

and furthermore, atheism and science are both anti-believing is seeing. they are trying to disprove that way of thinking.

that or i completely dont understand the way which science operates.

[CocaCola]

That's why I don't like this organized religion stuff... it's better, I think, that everyone comes form the same source, insted of fighting about who is right and who is wrong and who's God is real and whatnot. It just causes anger...

[Sir Les]

I understand everyone is entitled to their own belief. I just don't understand how people can go around publicly admitting to their own stupidity.

"Hey Matt, did Santa stop by lastnight?"

That person would be considered a looney tune if he/she was serious.

So why then when we know that there is no such thing as god, and that scientifically it's not possible. (Yeah, god made everyone and everything including the animals, dirt and trees. It has nothing to do with planet formation, and/or evolution - Well what made god?)

I was just reading a story about a pregnant skydiver and was pissed off. Not only was the dumb woman stupid enough to land face first without her parachute working (ROFLMAO!!) but after finding out that she was pregnant, her response was:

"Just this last week we went and saw the doctor and we've got arms, we've got legs. We've got a full face. The baby is moving around just fine. The heart rate looks good. So not only did God save me but he spared this baby."

You can read the full thing on http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213/ap_on_re_us/skydiver_s_plunge if ya want. But come on people. No one has ever met god (because he's non existent duh), it's ok when you die because god's taking care of you? (omfg) and these crazy people waste so much time on religion.

My family made me get my 1st communion and confirmation when I was a kid. I think it's bullshit because I wasn't old enough to make these decisions. Why does it anger me that people waste their own time? Because I always have to hear about it. We need more people talking about how god is fake, maybe then people won't push their religious garbage on people like me if they knew how stupid they sound.

My cousin about a month ago was telling me that there is a god of some sort because when she decided to come down with her mom to visit my grandfather (because he has cancer and isn't doing good) something made her come. Something told her to come. Ok, so if it wasn't the fact that we found out 2 weeks ago that he has cancer and isn't doing good, then what was it? Well, it couldn't have been the obvious, lets go with God.

Sometimes stupid people (its ok if you think I'm stupid, I don't care :cool:) get on my nerves because I can't understand how stupid they are, and why they are so accepting of a fictional character made up long long ago. You'd think with SCIENCE people would say, "Oh so that's why."

Anyone disagree with me here on this one? Are ya gonna tell me that god is special and great and if it wasn't for him I wouldn't be here? How about if it wasn't for my mother and father having sex, and of course their mothers and fathers, etc. Oh wait, god is my real maker... Fucking morons.

There are many things, that are being hidden away from the public Eye!
There are many truths, that have been erased from our history!
And everything hasn't been disclosed that can be!
So we go on until we get it right!
To believe with the heart is the key!

Rev 17:17
:thumbsup:

[ADaisyChain]

There are many things, that are being hidden away from the public Eye!
There are many truths, that have been erased from our history!
And everything hasn't been disclosed that can be!
So we go on until we get it right!
To believe with the heart is the key!

Rev 17:17
:thumbsup:

lol. im sold. :p

[Ganj]

i see it like this:

why do we live? we live to die. simple. everything you do in life doesn't matter in death. now, with a little incentive (heaven), it makes our days go easier. it takes the fear away. some might say religion is to control the masses, but God will forgive anyone if you ask. the only thing God doesn't forgive is self-sacrifice. God's given us this life so that we can make our own decision on whether or not to believe in him. all God wants is some worship. that's all. he doesn't want you giving money to the church. he doesn't want you living by the bible. he doesn't want you to be a saint. he knows your human. even his son was imperfect.

for you smart-asses: he = God

[amsterdam]

One man trying to say there is no God.......what an ego. Get real o ye semi-intellectual.

[F L E S H]

One man trying to say there is no God.......what an ego. Get real o ye semi-intellectual.
And here comes Mr. Patronizing.... No there is no God, yes, I'm just one simple and I say it and I believe it.


the only thing God doesn't forgive is self-sacrifice.
Don't make things up. Self-sacrifice is the very BASIS of Christianity. If you meant suicide, then say suicide. To go to heaven, we have to sacrifice all pleasure, all joy, all our money (give to the poor), all sexuality (sex only to make children, anything else is sinful).... Christianity is the quintessential religion of self-sacrifice

[beachguy in thongs]

And here comes Mr. Patronizing.... No there is no God, yes, I'm just one simple and I say it and I believe it.



You can only use "simple" as a noun if you're in Europe. :stoned:

[CocaCola]

Everyone is so confused on what God really is because everyone has there own definition... I've said this a thousand times, myself, and still there are people coming in and saying "THERE IS A GOD YOU EGOTISTICAL TARD". S T F U.

[Ganj]

And here comes Mr. Patronizing.... No there is no God, yes, I'm just one simple and I say it and I believe it.


Don't make things up. Self-sacrifice is the very BASIS of Christianity. If you meant suicide, then say suicide. To go to heaven, we have to sacrifice all pleasure, all joy, all our money (give to the poor), all sexuality (sex only to make children, anything else is sinful).... Christianity is the quintessential religion of self-sacrificei'll say self-sacrifice. and your not jesus, so your own self-sacrifice (suicide) would be the most egotistical, selfish act a man could commit - that's unforgivable.

[Oneironaut]

I think in some instances suicide is not necessarily such a horrible thing. Say, for example, somebody is suffering from a horrible illness and they simply don't want to live with it any longer. This has happened countless times, often with the consent of family and friends who don't want to see their loved one in so much pain. Or what about Hitler's suicide? If he had just done it a few years earlier it would have been great.

[StOneD.aS.FuK]

even if their is a god (i dont beleive their is) id hate him/it anyway, for puttin me on this shitty world.

go to hell god!

[D.Boone]

JAH IS MIGHTY! :rasta:

[Miggoll]

There is no real proof God does or does not exist. In my opinion he exists.

[mrdevious]

There is no real proof God does or does not exist. In my opinion he exists.

correction, there is no proof god does exist based on lack of evidence, the building block of proof. there is is no proof god doesn't based on the fact that it's impossible to disprove an imaginary concept. there's really no more validity to saying "you can't prove god doesn't exist" than "you can't prove jelly bean eating space gremilins don't exist". frankly, I wish peope would base their beliefs on evidence, not lack therof.

[HvyFuel]

So two thousand years of human belief count for nothing? I think you're a little too wrapped up in your own intelligence mrd. And it ain't all that.

You're using an image of the Buddha as an avatar btw. Other than the written word, what evidence do you have that he existed?

;)

[MoonStarer420]

So two thousand years of human belief count for nothing?

Yep. God is an excuse to explain the unexplained. We have no use for "him/them" anymore. Religon makes for intresting stories tho, no more.

[HvyFuel]

And 'we' means who? I take it you meant to put I and just assumed you speak for the world. Guess what? You don't.

[MoonStarer420]

I just think the idea of "god" fucks up our preception of the part we play in nature. The idea that some supream being that created us, that we are above nature, makes our society do stupid things to the planet. We (our world) would be much better off without the idea of one. Worked great for the Ionians.

[HvyFuel]

Our we us we our we.

Who are you that you speak for nations?

[MoonStarer420]

I'm not speaking for anyone but myself and about the human impact on our world. Your missing my point.

[HvyFuel]

I see it and understand it Moon. But you speak for you. If a child cries for God, will you answer?

I believe in no Gods my friend, but your opinion does not preclude belief. My crutch is just that, your crutch is ..

[OxymoronicHippy]

But see, there is nothing to lose believing in God(I speak for christianity) Lets say there is no god, so what? We died and whatever happens when you die, you die. But what if we are right?

And another thing. (I didn't read all three pages so I might be repeating someone, so I apologize if I am) Just because you believe in a God, doesn't mean your a bible beater. I live your typical college student, smoke, party. etc., and I'm still very much a christian. Granted, I might not be setting the best example, but its all about you on the inside. I could keep going on my spirituaity tangent, but I'll spare you guys :)

And one last thing. Why worry about what someone else believes? Everyone has a reason for why they believe what they believe, so at least respect that. I think not liking someone because of their personal beliefs is retarded, but thats just my opinion.

[HvyFuel]

(I speak for christianity)

Wow. Jesus! Never expected to meet you on the net!

[mrdevious]

So two thousand years of human belief count for nothing? I think you're a little too wrapped up in your own intelligence mrd. And it ain't all that.

I never thought my intelligence is "all that", I'm simply pointing out logical falacies.

and yes, I can say 2,000 years of belief counts for at least not everything. just because a prominant belief took power, and then spent 2,000 years killing people for not believing the same thing and brainwashing the rest, doesn't prove that the theory is true.


You're using an image of the Buddha as an avatar btw. Other than the written word, what evidence do you have that he existed?

Buddha exists in many written records, including that of the Indian royal dynasties, since he was a well known prince before leaving that life, under the name of Sidhartha Guatama. But whether he exists or not doesn't matter, it's his teachings that bear importance in buddhism. We don't worship the buddha, just give him respect for the teachings. as he said (which is in my avatar), you shouldn't believe anything blindly even if said by him, you should find the validity behind his claims in the results of the practice.

besides, I wouldn't be surprised if jesus, muhammad, buddha, any of them existed. I respect philosophies on life, not dogmatic principles that insist on you believing in a creator that nobody ever see's, and nobody ever has evidence for.

[HvyFuel]

Ooops, you missed the hook. We'll try again shall we ....
"Other than the written word" ....

Sorry but that mustn't have registered.
;)

[mrdevious]

Ooops, you missed the hook. We'll try again shall we ....
"Other than the written word" ....

Sorry but that mustn't have registered.
;)

tell you what, I'll be mrdevious and you can be mrcondescending. anyway, I think you missed the point because as I explained, THE EXISTENCE OF BUDDHA MEANS SHIT ALL. that's right. We follow buddha because we agree with the teachings. not because some book makes fantastic claims of walking on water, turning water to wine, shooting lightning bolts out of his ass, etc. the teachings on living life are what buddhism is about, not the unquestioned existence of anything.

[HvyFuel]

I'm only condescending when people behave stupidly. :p

OK, so what's the diff? You're happy with Buddha saying the same things Jesus did.
;)

[mrdevious]

I'm only condescending when people behave stupidly. :p

yes, apparently having counter-points in a debate over logic is stupidity...


OK, so what's the diff? You're happy with Buddha saying the same things Jesus did.
;)

saying the same things as jesus..... hmmm, don't really get what you mean there since they're not saying the same things....

[HvyFuel]

What books are you reading? Do no harm .. love your neighbour .. Buddha/Jesus, take your pick.

[mrdevious]

What books are you reading? Do no harm .. love your neighbour .. Buddha/Jesus, take your pick.

but I wasn't debating, nor talking about, the life philosophies of either religion, both of which I agree with for the most part. I was referring to claims of supernatural beings and occurances, not the code of conduct.

[CocaCola]

saying the same things as jesus..... hmmm, don't really get what you mean there since they're not saying the same things....

Maybe worship both? Oh but you can't because you can only choose Christianity or Buddism... :rolleyes: On or the other, right? Not both... it's against the rules of religion!1

[mrdevious]

Maybe worship both? Oh but you can't because you can only choose Christianity or Buddism... :rolleyes: On or the other, right? Not both... it's against the rules of religion!1

nope, actually there's a sect of christian-buddhists now :) . personally I think the combo is a good idea.

[CocaCola]

Oh sick... well, lol there ya go! :P:dance:

[CocaCola]

I just realized something... I have been focusing so much on the Mind... that I have forgotten the Heart.

[beachguy in thongs]

That reminds me of "Hemispheres". Neil Peart wrote of the battle between the Heart and the Mind, Apollo and Dionysus, and the Bringer of Balance, Cygnus, brought union.

Rush, Hemispheres, 1978?
"We can walk are road together, if Our goals are all the same.
We can run alone and free, if we pursue a different aim.
Let the truth of Love be lighted, let the love of Truth shine clear.
Sensibility, armed with sense and Liberty.
With the Heart and Mind united in a single, perfect sphere."

[CocaCola]

Are you comparing my awesome work of art posts to Rush lyrics?!1

[beachguy in thongs]

It reminded me because you capitalized the Heart and the Mind. lol :stoned:

[CocaCola]

Oh... yeah, I don't know why I did that.

[newbySmoker]

suicide is forgivable , if murder /rape / etc etc etc etc is .

[RedRainDrop]

our existence is a mystery still to eveyone.. i find that strange...we don't know the origin of the human race..yet we've been around for A LONG ASS TIME. Im guessing we were introduced to the planet after the dinosaurs were wiped out. What the fuck happend after the dino's died, it my question...where did all the new plants, species, and insects spawn from? They would have surely died from whatever the dinosaurs did.

Im guessing this is the reason people believe there is a higher power, or god. Where the fuck else did everything come from. The universe had to be made by something. Mabye this is just the way our dimension works...

wow i gotta cut down on the shrooms :0

[beachguy in thongs]

MSNBC Special last night, a guy on Death Row (the only one) in New Mexico, said that, in God's eyes, his crime was comparable to "stealing a cracker".

I guess this guy's choir exists. :stoned:

[mrdevious]

our existence is a mystery still to eveyone.. i find that strange...we don't know the origin of the human race..yet we've been around for A LONG ASS TIME. Im guessing we were introduced to the planet after the dinosaurs were wiped out. What the fuck happend after the dino's died, it my question...where did all the new plants, species, and insects spawn from? They would have surely died from whatever the dinosaurs did.

Im guessing this is the reason people believe there is a higher power, or god. Where the fuck else did everything come from. The universe had to be made by something. Mabye this is just the way our dimension works...

wow i gotta cut down on the shrooms :0

what? there's no way human beings arived shortly after the dinosaurs, which was 60 million years ago. the oldest human being is something around 900,000 years ago, the oldest primate we can find that's even related is 7,000,000 years ago. there's at least a good 53 million years between us.

anyway, in regards to where the insects, species, plants came from, they never went anyway. when the meteor hit it blew dust and all sorts of crap into the air, which blocked out the sun for about 3-4 months. it was actually the 100% lack of sunlight for that time period that wiped out most of the species. however, it did not wipe out all life on earth, just most of the dinosaurs and larger/unadaptive life.
plants were wiped out, but their seeds still remained dormant, ready to spread again once the earth settled again.
insects, being so small and very tough creatures, could easily hybernate through such intense conditions, as well as their eggs remaining.
the bigger dinosaurs, such as tyranosauras and other children's favorites, were killed because they were too big to burry down in the some mud, find enough food, and weren't designed to go into deep hybernation. aligators, crocodiles, small lizards, komodo dragons, rodents, these all managed to hide in mud and hunker down for a while.

and yes, cutting down on the shrooms is always good lol

[beachguy in thongs]

60 million years ago. around 900,000 years ago, is 7,000,000 years ago.at least a good 53 million years.

lol
Long live Cannabis Sativa.

[mrdevious]

Long live Cannabis Sativa.


beachguy, is there a reason you keep trying to change-then-quote my posts to make me look like an idiot?

[beachguy in thongs]

beachguy, is there a reason you keep trying to change-then-quote my posts to make me look like an idiot?
I didn't change your post, at-all. I erased everything but the numbers. :smokin:

I don't know how it made you look like an idiot.

I only kept that lol, at the end, in there for good nature.

[mrdevious]

I didn't change at-all. :smokin:

I don't know how it made you look.




well, for example...... /\/\/\/\


all I did was edit certain words, and lo and behold we have a new meaning. but it's cool man, I just thought you were trying to do that, just a misunderstanding *passes the J" :rasta:

[StOneD.aS.FuK]

if you all want spiritial insight...use the oujia board (weegie board)

then u will releise their is another dimention

its NO bullshit.

[Pyramidsonmars]

Yeah you are right, but I feel like so many people are needlessly wasting their time, and yes I know it's their decision, but I feel like people should realize that you should do good for people, not steal or kill, etc. But not because you're going to go to heaven or hell, but because those things aren't nice things to do. :)


Tell me why those are good things to do? Where does our sense of morality come from? Why does everyone ultamitly know what they "ought to do"?

[Pyramidsonmars]

if you all want spiritial insight...use the oujia board (weegie board)

then u will releise their is another dimention

its NO bullshit.

Dude, it's the biggest bullshit. Asking whatever will bother to answer for guidance. How COULD that be a good thing?

[GanjaASD847]

Close this thread!! There is a HIGHER BEING or light of some sort. (PERIOD)

[beachguy in thongs]

I just were trying to do that, just a *passes the J" :rasta:

My only point was that you were naming off ages and Pot survived it all.

[beachguy in thongs]

Close this thread!! There is a HIGHER BEING or light of some sort. (PERIOD)
So, you're saying that you believe that God is either high or electromagnetic radiation (QUESTION MARK)

[F L E S H]

Close this thread!! There is a HIGHER BEING or light of some sort. (PERIOD)
Yeah right...

[slipknotpsycho]

when will people learn there's no god? i'd say about the 20th time they predict the apocolypse and it never comes...

[F L E S H]

when will people learn there's no god? i'd say about the 20th time they predict the apocolypse and it never comes...
I think they passed 20 around A.D. 1000.

[rebel420]

k, i give up , alot of good points being thrown out there
:rasta: