THE FEAR OF THE LORD IS THE BEGINNING

[rldqaz]

OF WISDOM

[beachguy in thongs]

At the END OF WISDOM IS THE BEGINNING.

[MudFu]

I'm sick of these nonsence topics made by people whos trying to act like they have deep thoughts...TOTAL WASTE!!!

[beachguy in thongs]

I'm sick of these nonsence topics made by people whos trying to act like they have deep thoughts...TOTAL WASTE!!!
It's just ridgaz.

[MudFu]

sigh...there has been more then just him Lol...

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

yeah, these "JESUS IS GOD" and "GOD IS TRUTH" crap topics are getting depressive... :(


it shows that there are still many small minded individuals corrupting their religions' good names. it's sad really.

[beachguy in thongs]

Maybe even though they say "Jesus is God", they're saying that he was the quintessential human who may or may not have been real, but the creator of our Universe. Is "Jesus is God" saying "Jesus is Creator"? To my knowledge, it was "Jesus is The Son of God".

[Oneironaut]

I never understood the concept of being a good Christian by "fearing God". I don't know about you, but I've never been able to make myself love someone I fear. And I've never found reason to fear anybody who's a decent, loving individual. When I am told I need to "fear God", I interpret that as saying that I need to hate God and denounce the idea that he's a decent, loving individual. I'm sure such an idea makes as little sense to theists as it does to non-theists like myself.

Fear has never been the road to wisdom. Especially fear of something that doesn't even exist.

[magnusalex]

I never understood the concept of being a good Christian by "fearing God". I don't know about you, but I've never been able to make myself love someone I fear. And I've never found reason to fear anybody who's a decent, loving individual. When I am told I need to "fear God", I interpret that as saying that I need to hate God and denounce the idea that he's a decent, loving individual. I'm sure such an idea makes as little sense to theists as it does to non-theists like myself.

Fear has never been the road to wisdom. Especially fear of something that doesn't even exist.
children fear their parents, but they still love em. jesus didnt write the bible, neither did god, or quetzalcoatl, or rama, or zeus, or mohammad, or etc,

[Oneironaut]

So I should fear God in the same way that the child fears his parents (or rather, the consequences his parents will bring about if the child misbehaves)? I should fear what God will do to me if I don't follow his rules?

I have a problem with that statement. Namely, that God never told me what those rules are, and won't even reveal to me the fact that he's going to punish me if I don't follow the rules he didn't tell me. I had to learn all of this second-hand, from people who, from my perspective, are just as credible as those touting hundreds of other gods I hear about with similar arguments why I should believe in them. And curiously they all seem to want my money for some reason.

The Christian will point at the Bible and say, well God's rules are all in here. Then the Muslim will hold up his Qur'an and counter that his are the real rules. Enter the Mormon, who tells the Muslim that the other Christian was right, but he forgot to add that God made a little addendum to the Bible in the 19th century. The Hindu counters that it has been revealed to his people that there are actually many gods, not a single God. Who am I supposed to believe? What credible evidence do any of these people have that their belief is the true belief, that the rules of his god(s) are the real rules we ought to be obeying? That is to say, which God do we fear?

The answer, of course, is that no religion has the slightest shred of objective evidence which could be used to show its veracity, and having nothing else to enforce their arguments with, religious people resort to violence and murder to resolve their disputes. Fear of God has done a lot of negative things for humanity, and if you ask me, the real beginning of wisdom is not being afraid to eat from the Tree of Knowledge, that is, putting all this silly fear of invisible things behind us.

[beachguy in thongs]

The rules were supposedly handed down through the 12 disciples.

It may be in the Bible. But you may know, that I believe that those disciples' words have tampered with.

There may have been proof of God, but it was deleted.

What religions live in fear and where are these people?
I have to start watching more European flics.

[F L E S H]

Oneironaut, without you the religion has turned to chaos!

But I have my own quotation about wisdom...

"The devil has the broadest perspective for God; therefore he keeps so far away from God--the devil being the most ancient friend of wisdom."

[Mellow Man]

OF WISDOM

Correct! but when the scriptures talk about fearing the Lord they do not mean fear the lord because of his rath lol,perhaps the old testement spoke that way but Christ himself by all means spoke of only Love! no rath.....

To fear the lord is to truly fear not having him in your life! for example David begged the Holy spirit not to leave him! he feared being without Christ!.....so fear not having the lord and not his rath!.......

[Oneironaut]

Correct! but when the scriptures talk about fearing the Lord they do not mean fear the lord because of his rath lol,perhaps the old testement spoke that way but Christ himself by all means spoke of only Love! no rath.....

To fear the lord is to truly fear not having him in your life! for example David begged the Holy spirit not to leave him! he feared being without Christ!.....so fear not having the lord and not his rath!.......
Wait, so all those Bible verses which say to fear the Lord, really say to fear the Lord not being there? That would be like me telling you to fear your legs, because if you lost your legs you would be miserable.

The rules were supposedly handed down through the 12 disciples.

It may be in the Bible. But you may know, that I believe that those disciples' words have tampered with.

There may have been proof of God, but it was deleted.
Please, provide me with the compelling evidence which drives you to the conclusion that there is a God and that he sent his rules through the 12 disciples, who screwed it up, and God never came in and made a correction (even though he supposedly wants us to get the religion right or he wouldn't have influenced the disciples in the first place). There must be some reason why you believe this, and I am of the opinion that this is for psychological comfort and emotional reasons primarily, and your lack of evidence further confirms my belief that this is the case.

Good thing you have that part of your belief that says the Bible isn't true to the original, so you can conveniently ignore those verses which disagree with basic human morality, or your own personal opinions about morality. Like, for example, all the verses about Hell and how evil gay people supposedly are and the dozens of Biblical verses urging us to fear God. (http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/feargod.html)


What religions live in fear and where are these people?
So to answer your question, a whole lot of them. Especially Christianity. If you really believe in the Bible, that is, instead of throwing out anything you don't like.

[F L E S H]

For Oneironaut, you might appreciate this one:

"It was subtle of God to learn Greek when he wished to become an author--and not learn it better."

[beachguy in thongs]

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Please, provide me with the compelling evidence which drives you to the conclusion that there is a God and that he sent his rules through the 12 disciples, who screwed it up, and God never came in and made a correction (even though he supposedly wants us to get the religion right or he wouldn't have influenced the disciples in the first place).


Ok, I was only saying that there IS a bible from 2,000 years ago, and SUPPOSEDLY 12 disciples knew the Word of God.

The Bible was threaded and new phrases and text was thrown in at the commands of the Roman Emperor Constantine and the hands of Eusebius, sometime in the 4th Century.

Those who didn't listen were banished or oppressed.

[Euphoric]

SAID IT BEST:
Fear has never been the road to wisdom.

the use of fear as a motivator demonstrates a lack of control. its so immature of a tactic as to be almost instinct. This is the thinking of a reptile, not a god.

Plz recycle.

[beachguy in thongs]

And one more thing. I don't read the Bible. Haven't read the Bible. I've only opened it up to see what the ancients wrote.

And then I find out there's more:
My friend let me borrow this book. It has good insight on the Gnostic religion, too.

[Green Love]

I believe in the Father and Son. I have faith in the Father and Son. I fear the Father and Son. These are my beliefs alone. I'm not here preaching to the masses or trying to convert people to my side. I'm taking a stand for what I believe in. Nothin more. Please respect me, as I have respected you.

[beachguy in thongs]

Green Love, there is no one I respect more than Our creator. If someone believes that no one created every single lifeform, every piece of organic matter, then they're only proving that they can't prove it.

Our Father who art in Heaven, Hail Mary, Hail Mary, Hail Mary (in respect to a woman, Her beauty, and Her ability to give birth), Dear God I believe in You, Dear God I trust in You, Dear God I Love You, Let it be as it was in the beginning, now and forever shall be, World without End. Amen. Sayonara. Peace Out.

[Euphoric]

Belief in a monothestic, omnipotent god is very akin to basic primate society behaviour.

Your invisible alpha male will not save you.

(pics = side by side comparison with christianity's alpha male and a chimpanzee alpha male)

[beachguy in thongs]

Belief in a monothestic, omnipotent god is very akin to basic primate society behaviour.

Your invisible alpha male will not save you.

(pics = side by side comparison with christianity's alpha male and a chimpanzee alpha male)

It's the respect of the woman. Or respect of women.

Your Mother WILL save you. And that's what you have to believe in.

Belief is different than worship.

If God saves us, we (as an entirety) will still be doubtful.

In the end
you will see
another reality

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Correct! but when the scriptures talk about fearing the Lord they do not mean fear the lord because of his rath lol,perhaps the old testement spoke that way but Christ himself by all means spoke of only Love! no rath.....

To fear the lord is to truly fear not having him in your life! for example David begged the Holy spirit not to leave him! he feared being without Christ!.....so fear not having the lord and not his rath!.......that is not fear, that is love and respect, know the difference.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

oh, and just because;

im not afraid of the lord not being in MY life, i can hold my own if something more important might come up, but i have faith that even in the event, i wont be left in the cold; im afraid that the lord is going to leave others.


im afraid that others are going to leave the lord.



and stop me now, i cant stand saying "lord" it's so... evil...


it's our creator :D

[weirdo79]

Jesus also said he came to enforce the Old laws as well, sorry it wasnt all peace and love from that character either mellow ;). He also cursed out a tree because it wouldnt bear fruit for him (despite being out of season....) I guess basic biology or even a farmers knowledge is below a god figures.....

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

happy 420'th post weirdo! :D

[weirdo79]

By the gods it was! Holy crap, I would have honestly missed that thank you :). I can't believe I have over a 100 but I guess Psycho's and I sparring from summer (or fall?) really added up.

[Mellow Man]

Jesus also said he came to enforce the Old laws as well, sorry it wasnt all peace and love from that character either mellow ;). He also cursed out a tree because it wouldnt bear fruit for him (despite being out of season....) I guess basic biology or even a farmers knowledge is below a god figures.....


Actually Jesus never came to enforce the old testement but came to bring in the new testement! he spoke highly of the old testement but spent much of his time correcting the old prophets,he would only stand behind the truth and change the scriptures of the old,he said I leave unto you a new covedent!...in with the new and out with the old!.............................as far as the Lord and the tree goes is true the Lord used the tree as a pure metaphor for even the laymen to understand I guess you missed it lol......same thing when one of the old prophets wrestled with the lord on through the night not knowing it was Christ but when the sun came up Christ was the one the old prophet seen who was wrestling with him all night!.....other words the old prophet struggled with god within him and evil the good side would not let go of his innerness and when the next day came the man seen the truth! which was christ!.............he never actually wrestled christ all through the night lol..........if you responded to my post to be little Christ or me for believeing you have responed to the wrong person! because my faith is beyond your agnostic or atheist view! Ive been around your block once or twice ......So if you want to deny Christ go ahead youl'l only deny yourself and the price he paid for you......godbless..........

[beachguy in thongs]

That wasn't too long ago. 60 generations.

[weirdo79]

â??Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasnâ??t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17

â??come not to send peace, but a sword.â?� Matthew 10:34

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark 7:9


A few other things about Jesus:

Jesus says that those who have been less fortunate in this life will have it even worse in the life to come. Mark 4:25

Jesus sends the devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. Clearly Jesus could have simply sent the devils out, yet he chose instead to place them into pigs and kill them. This is called animal abuse. Mark 5:12-13

Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Jesus must not be as smart as Christians would have us believe, for he was retarded enough to do something this silly. Youâ??d think the son of god (god incarnate) would know that trees donâ??t bear fruit in dry season. Mark 11:13

Luke 12:47 Jesus okays beating slaves.

â??For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.â?� (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

If thats not sufficient theres many more ;). Sorry Jesus doesnt sound like a very nice guy at all. Thanks. Loved that cop out that its a metaphor, whatever doesnt fit a christian's views (or hurts his faith) is a metaphor well everything else is to be taken literally.....sorry its all or none man. It's either fiction or non fiction.....Denial aint just a river in egypt my friend.....

(some material reprinted from www.evilbible.com and from the "church of theists suck", just so you know a biblical scholar actually runs "the church of theists suck ;) ).

[MudFu]

Their is nothing in the Christian teaching that you have to fear God. You do not have to fear God.