Salvia rumour

[RedRainDrop]

Well im not so sure if its a rumour or not, but ive heard a few times that salvia releases chemicals in your brain which only get released while your dying. This seems very strange, because if its true, mabye it causes us to see the spirtual world? I've also heard over a hundred times "mushrooms make your brain bleed" I know this one can't be true, but my question is do you think highly hallucinagenic drugs put us so over the edge, we are entering a different world, or reality, and that reality can't be reached unless you die?

Mabye why thats why they are so pleasurable, we get to see something others have to wait till they die to see..

Just a thought, elaborate.

[CocaCola]

That could be said about alot of substances though. DMT and Ketamine for example. In my opinion, this rumor is more suited to those drugs then Salvia... as Salvia is jsut over the top ridiculous. It's more like you enter the realm of Loki the God of Mischief!

[klarrix]

This is my spin:

With anything we do in life that gives us an experience or pleasure- ANYTHING- the pleasure or experience we percieve is only truly felt inside our minds (you could argue things like cutting yourself or sex you are physical, but when you think about it we only know what's happening because of how our brain interprets it). If you take a substance that changes your mind itself then absolutely anything in life that you perceive to happen should be blamed on the drug, as it's your perception that has been altered. If something gives you a mindfuck when you take it, then it's probably down to alkaloids/cannaboids, not spiritual powers.

Obviously, your question couldnt be answered for sure without me actually dying so it's open to speculation- imo saying it has further effects that we can't perceive (magic, extra dimensional etc) is just human nature and people have been saying that sort of shit about drugs for thousands of years.

[CocaCola]

Yes, but DMT is produced in small amounts in the brain and if it is released into your body when you die, as theory suggests... then it could be held accountable for whatever out of body, or afterlife experiences we have when we're about to die.

And Ketamine, allows you to go to the brink of unconsiousness without actually slipping into it. Some would compare that to the "Mental Realm" of religious and/or spiritual teachings. But like I said, it's all theory.

[klarrix]

I get it now, the way RRD explained it made me think he was asking whether they give you 'real' extra dimensional experiences :P

As for the semi-conciousness stuff, try meditation for an hour straight without stopping- THAT is a weird experience

[CocaCola]

I have believe it or not. My mom is heavy into Meditation and my uncle is a kung-fu master and works with Kirpal Singh (I can't spell his name) closely.

[187]

Yes, but DMT is produced in small amounts in the brain and if it is released into your body when you die, as theory suggests... then it could be held accountable for whatever out of body, or afterlife experiences we have when we're about to die.

And Ketamine, allows you to go to the brink of unconsiousness without actually slipping into it. Some would compare that to the "Mental Realm" of religious and/or spiritual teachings. But like I said, it's all theory.
how could dmt effect you if your brain is dead?

[klarrix]

I have believe it or not. My mom is heavy into Meditation and my uncle is a kung-fu master and works with Kirpal Singh (I can't spell his name) closely.
<3 your family, that's awesome man

[CocaCola]

how could dmt effect you if your brain is dead?
No, it happens before you die... As to what happens if you insantly die, well... that can't answer that. That's why it's just a theory.

[syrrus]

Ummm....that sounds like a load of crap. From what ive come to understand salvinorin a is a powerful seretonal inhibitor and hallucinagenic replacement. Science barely knows anything about the drug and has no idea how it affects the brain. They do know that it leaves no lasting affect after it's use besides the profound memory of it's effects. If you hear anything about how salvia works, just be safe and don't believe it because there isn't much research going on about the plant at all short of growers trying to increase potency. Just do your research, like I know this kid that keeps on telling people that the reason that you trip out on LSD is because your brain bleeds and the pressure of the bleeding causes hallucinations. See modern american drug culture is full of 90% bullshit.

[RedRainDrop]

I think theres definately spirtual aspects to some drugs such as shrooms, and salvia, because i've experienced similar feelings while dreaming, and dreaming to me is your spirit travelling the earth, or wherever you might be in your dream,and If its a foreign location, its somewhere in the world. I've actually started re-having dreams i thought about while on shrooms, very odd feeling. I also see alot of foreign symbols,and writings, and pictures of, what i think was a culture long ago. Or mabye its just the way i perceive things, it could be the drug just fucking with my head.

Either way, I love these things :)

[syrrus]

the only way to know is to smoke

[RedRainDrop]

^ What do mean? The only way to go is to smoke weed?

No. Everyone has diffrent pleasures. Eveyone (who does drugs) has a favorite enhancer. I love weed, shrooms, and DXM. Shrooms are my favorite, probably because they are so damn mindblowing, and inspiring. Everything is 100000X funner on zoomies. You can't deny that... unless your someone who has bad trips. (i've never had a bad mushrooms trip)

[andruejaysin]

how could dmt effect you if your brain is dead?I think the theory is that there is a little time between when you stop breathing, and when the oxygen loss kills your brain. Is it true? Only one way to find out, and I am in no hurry.

[CocaCola]

Actually, I never thought of that... That sounds very plausible. Your brain keeps sparking for sometime after death doesn't it?

[CannabisGeorge]

So is that why people see something before they die. Yeah that makes sence, after you stop breathing, and eventually die, your brain is still working on whatever oxygen it has left...hmm

[Diztinkt]

I've also heard over a hundred times "mushrooms make your brain bleed" I know this one can't be true.



^^^Actually It IS True, Mushrooms Cause Your Brain To Hemmorhage, The Brain Hemmhorages Are What Cause You To Hallucinate And Trip.

[CocaCola]

Nice first post. Teh funney.

[RastaKaze]

Salvia Divinorum: Translation? The Diviner's Sage. It is unlike any other plant, and it effects are caused by neither alkaloid, cannaboid or any other pshycotropic drug. It's an entheogen, of the "existentia" class. Say what you want but I say the shit is our path into the spirit realm. It was for the Mazatec indians... Check out a book called "Pharmako/Poeia" It'll tell you everything you need to know about every "sacred" herb in the book :)

[CocaCola]

Phantastic.

[hipEstoner]

ok, ill kill myself and tell youll if i tripp out

[CocaCola]

Except it's not tripping when you won't be coming back. You'll just be whatever the fuck it is when you are at that level. Not human anymore... Ok, so lets get this show on the road.

[Harvesthetic]

That could be said about alot of substances though. DMT and Ketamine for example. In my opinion, this rumor is more suited to those drugs then Salvia... as Salvia is jsut over the top ridiculous. It's more like you enter the realm of Loki the God of Mischief!
damn straight
the state you enter right before you die is much discussed.
the natural DMT of the banesteriopsis caapi with the psychotria viridis has been suggested too alongside salvia to have a very significant, yet unresolved effect on the stream of impulses coming into the brain.
The "death" part, or as CocaCola nicely put it "the realm of Loki" :p seems to be some sort of extravagant increase in use of braincells. Whereas we only use 10 to 15% of our brain being sober, higher activity has been scientifically proven on drugs like LSD, Psilocybin, both natural and pharmahuasca, adrenaline, etc..
So if death produces a similar boost of conciousness, we might experience a high not to be taken lightly.
Or as i like to call it, a nice mental Hard-On :smokin:

[Edgar]

Ummm....that sounds like a load of crap. From what ive come to understand salvinorin a is a powerful seretonal inhibitor and hallucinagenic replacement. Science barely knows anything about the drug and has no idea how it affects the brain. They do know that it leaves no lasting affect after it's use besides the profound memory of it's effects. If you hear anything about how salvia works, just be safe and don't believe it because there isn't much research going on about the plant at all short of growers trying to increase potency. Just do your research, like I know this kid that keeps on telling people that the reason that you trip out on LSD is because your brain bleeds and the pressure of the bleeding causes hallucinations. See modern american drug culture is full of 90% bullshit.

Actually, salvia is not as big of a mystery as it once was. I assume you're talkin' about serotonin in that first sentence, in which case your understanding of how salvia works is incorrect. Salvinorin-a (main active ingredient in salvia divinorum) is a kappa opioid receptor agonist, meaning that it binds to the kappa opioid receptors and triggers a response in the cells that those receptors are on. Kappa opioid receptors like most if not all receptors in our bodies have corresponding naturally occuring substances (endogenous ligands) that bind to them, for Kappa opioid receptors those substances are dynorphins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=12192085

[ADaisyChain]

Actually, salvia is not as big of a mystery as it once was. I assume you're talkin' about serotonin in that first sentence, in which case your understanding of how salvia works is incorrect. Salvinorin-a (main active ingredient in salvia divinorum) is a kappa opioid receptor agonist, meaning that it binds to the kappa opioid receptors and triggers a response in the cells that those receptors are on. Kappa opioid receptors like most if not all receptors in our bodies have corresponding naturally occuring substances (endogenous ligands) that bind to them, for Kappa opioid receptors those substances are dynorphins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=12192085

Edgar stop ruining everyone's fun.

Seriously folks, drugs are where you go when you die.

Continue discussion.

[Edgar]

lolz
My bad.

[CocaCola]

Actually, salvia is not as big of a mystery as it once was. I assume you're talkin' about serotonin in that first sentence, in which case your understanding of how salvia works is incorrect. Salvinorin-a (main active ingredient in salvia divinorum) is a kappa opioid receptor agonist, meaning that it binds to the kappa opioid receptors and triggers a response in the cells that those receptors are on. Kappa opioid receptors like most if not all receptors in our bodies have corresponding naturally occuring substances (endogenous ligands) that bind to them, for Kappa opioid receptors those substances are dynorphins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=12192085
We know this... but that isn't what we're discussing. We're discussing the spiritual nature of Salvia and other hallucinogens. Ketamine works through chemicals and receptors and shit too, of course, but that doesn't mean it doesn't share some aspects of an NDE.

[Edgar]

My post was only a reply to syrrus' post, I'm intentionally staying out of the spiritual side of the discussion.

[CocaCola]

My mistake.