i understand the universe

[moeburn]

the ying and the yang make a circle
the good and the evil make a person
the god and the devil make earth
the seratonin and the dopamine make endorphine
the id and the superego make the ego
the matter and the energy of the universe make the boundaries of the universe
the good guy and the bad guy make a good movie

is this really all there is

[MudFu]

the ying and the yang make a circle
the good and the evil make a person
the god and the devil make earth
the seratonin and the dopamine make endorphine
the id and the superego make the ego
the matter and the energy of the universe make the boundaries of the universe
the good guy and the bad guy make a good movie

God and the Devil didn't make the earth. It is told that God alone made the Earth. A human is not made of Good and Evil, it is made of Good but turns evil. A baby is not born evil. The universe has no boundaries or limits, it is endless, choose what you believe about it thou. Ying and Yang do make the circle, if you believe in the Ying and the Yang effect. But the Yang can overwhelm the ying at any moment and vis versa. Their is much more about the universe that will remain unknown. At least you try. But I think you need to keep thinking cuz it isn't that simple. Wish it was tho.

Oh and yes the good guy and the bad guy do make for a good movie.

[koshea]

good guy + bad guy + hot chick + shower scene/sex scene = academy award

[lateralus]

Academy porno award, rather. If there is a such thing. :rolleyes: :cool:

[EternalEnemy]

God and the Devil didn't make the earth. It is told that God alone made the Earth. A human is not made of Good and Evil, it is made of Good but turns evil. A baby is not born evil. The universe has no boundaries or limits, it is endless, choose what you believe about it thou. Ying and Yang do make the circle, if you believe in the Ying and the Yang effect. But the Yang can overwhelm the ying at any moment and vis versa. Their is much more about the universe that will remain unknown. At least you try. But I think you need to keep thinking cuz it isn't that simple. Wish it was tho.

Sounds like christianity, which doesent make sense.


Pantheism for me, thank you.

[MudFu]

The only christian thing I said was God...What I said I based on many things. My ideas and what is told by different religions. Ying and Yang for example is not a Christian idea. Christians would say that something good or bad happened because of the act of God or the Devil. Anyways nothing what I really said was based on religion except what he asked about religion.

Oh and...nothing makes sence in this world...if you really think about it.

[EternalEnemy]

A human is not made of Good and Evil, it is made of Good but turns evil. A baby is not born evil.

False. The wild truth is that there is no good or evil, only the laws of nature. Good or evil are just lame excuses for fake-sympathy and lack of sympathy etc...Even if you take a bullet for someone else, you serve a moral that you have, and following your moral pattern pleases your self that is within your mind, even though the outcome is that you will be feeling a lot of pain and will die with a bleeding wound. Its "irrational" good for you, just like snorting a kilo of cocaine within a minute. In the end all deeds are just hedonism and greed, and if we actually look at this from the point of christianity(which does not admit these natural laws, denying universal laws), only evil excists.
Wheter it was based on christianity or not, it still sounded the same.



Oh and yes the good guy and the bad guy do make for a good movie.


Those are good ingredients, but you need to know how to bake the movie. Too many movies fall on genericness and bad scripts etc....

[MudFu]

Ok see thisd is why I hate saying the words Good and Evil on this forum. Someon ALWAYS says its a point of view. Yes I know thats true thats why I say a baby is born good. I see the baby as pure and unable to commit evil. So to my ideas I am right.

[radioned]

where do the elements come in to things?

[CocaCola]

People who commit good deeds are being selfish? Nah, I don't fucking believe that.

[Rarrr]

Good and evil all depends on moral boundaries. If something is considered immoral by the general population then it tends to be evil. I think the more people that consider something as being immoral the more "evil" it tends to be branded (eg killing someone). Whereas something that is believed to be very moral (eg donating to the poor) by a large number of people tends to be considered "good". All depends on someones moral boundaries.

If someone were to murder another without their morals interluding(By that I mean someone murdering someone else without the little voice in the back of their head saying "No thats wrong") then that person would consider what they did as being morally right whereas others would condemn such activities. Someone who is considered to have the wrong morals tends to be defying the general populations view on morals.
So in my opinion there is no such thing as right or wrong only what an individual percieves.

[EternalEnemy]

People who commit good deeds are being selfish? Nah, I don't fucking believe that.

We are speaking fundamentally. Everything you possibly do is selfish in some sense. When you give your friend ice cream, its selfish because what you really do is feed the friendship that is within YOU. Doing something important for someone else is important for YOU, and that is why it is selfish. Doesent matter if you do something or dont do something or anything, its only following some pattern within your mind.


Ok see thisd is why I hate saying the words Good and Evil on this forum. Someon ALWAYS says its a point of view. Yes I know thats true thats why I say a baby is born good. I see the baby as pure and unable to commit evil. So to my ideas I am right.

Why are babies different then?



Good and evil all depends on moral boundaries.

In other words, they are not real things. Re-read my post:


Good or evil are just lame excuses for fake-sympathy and lack of sympathy etc... <<<<i wrote

If something is good for you, it has a positive effect for you, meaning it makes you be-well or feel good or what ever. When something is bad for you, it has a negative effect(makes you feel bad).
But, when a person is bad, we see the person as a persona, not just a thing. So basically if i think that im helping you by giving you poison, and accidentally kill you, im not evil. I did not do the murder-deed in my head, it just happened. This is why we judge by motives, this is why animals are not blamed for murders, this is why kids have lesser responsibilities.
So, when we say something is evil or bad or negative, its when it has a negative impact, and when i want to have a negative impact on you, im evil.
So, we know that. "good" is contributing to others, and placing others before yourself. You may actually do that, but always the deepest motive lies in pleasing yourself, and you can never place someone else before the motive you have in your mind. This is the problem. Christians believe that people are naturally good, and then turn to evil. False, there are no good people by this definition, and by christian definition(they do not admit it), all people, animals or whatever concious beings are evil.

When i say im a relatively good-natured human being, i dont really mean it. I try to express that i have morals, but fundamentally, that does not make me a good person.




Oh and...nothing makes sence in this world...if you really think about it.

No, everything makes sense. The only thing that should make you wonder is how the hell could everything have always been, or if everything just started being, what was before that if that was before everything? Then how did existance just start? I believe that existance is eternal, and eternity is just an impossible concept for human mind, and that humans dont understand the sense of the universe. A human cannot fully comprehend that something doesent have a beginning.

[sugarmagnolia]

^ ahha.... methinks thou hath forgotten about selfless actions! If I give a friend my meal for he has none then isn't that an act of selflessness. I am giving away what I want to help him. Now you might say that this is selfish for I am acting upon my morales. But I do suggest that you fully understand what the word selfish means before you go about tagging it to people who act upon their morales.

[sugarmagnolia]

^ ahha.... methinks thou hath forgotten about selfless actions! If I give a friend my meal, for he has none, then isn't that an act of selflessness. I am giving away what I want to help him. Now you might say that this is selfish for I am acting upon my morales. But I do suggest that you fully understand what the word selfish means before you go about tagging it to people who act upon their morales.

arghh I read more of your post. Well I don't see how you can assume that everyone is only doing good to please themselves. Yes seeing happiness that you cause can make you happy, but that is merely a byproduct. Now in the case that I give my lunch away you would say I am being selfish so I can think higher of myself, would you not? But if you look at it your way it is still not an act of selfishness, it is a trade. You are not gaining anything, because to earn the feeling of happiness you are giving away a meal, and paining yourself with hunger.

Oh and by the way Christianity preaches charity without selfishness. You are not supposed to show off the good you do. Yes it makes you happy, but isn't one goal of life to achieve happiness. The trouble with your reasoning is that you are putting actual evil deeds in the same boat as good deeds.


(Sorry the silly settings wouldn't allow me to edit my post cause it took too long)

[Rarrr]

In other words, they are not real things. Re-read my post:

Good and evil arnt real things. Theyre interpretations based on human judgement. "Good" and "evil" are concepts created by man to understand the difference between acts of pure selflessness (which isnt possible but Im saying if there was pure good than it would come in the form of pure selflessness) and pure selfishness (which is also impossible as there is always some good intention behind everything). The closer something is to pure selflessness, the more it appears to be "good" and vice versa(keeping in mind that everyone has a different perspective to whats good and whats evil).

This judgement is a humans survival technique. Being with someone of "good" nature may not improve your survival (succcessful survival) chances but it would be a lot worse for someones survival if they were to hang around someone of an evil nature.

[BluntArtist]

Academy porno award, rather. If there is a such thing. :rolleyes: :cool:
You mean a Woody Award? :dance:

[justinsane]

so that would make.. jesus. black?

[MoonStarer420]

I believe that existance is eternal, and eternity is just an impossible concept for human mind, and that humans dont understand the sense of the universe. A human cannot fully comprehend that something doesent have a beginning.

I think you may have somthing here. Theres also a problem in assuming that your five senses are able to detect everything around you. We are only able to precive reality in 3D, up/down, left/right, and front/back. Think of what life would be like if we had to deal with spacetime on a personal day-to-day basis.

[EternalEnemy]

Will reply more later.


Actually, the world here is 3D, and we perceive it as such. BUT, we do not see 3D images with our eyes, its our brains that deceive us into thinking its 3D. And the thing is, the way the 2D pic is formed, comes from a 3D world. So therefore thinking wrongly about what we see brings is right to the truth.

[hunnybunnybabyO]

The bad news: there is no key to the universe. The good news: it was never locked.
-Swami Beyondananda


and another quote " As I've learned less and less, I find more and more to love in the world" something like that. Truth is we really don't know shit....you only see what you chose to see.
Just whatever life is I say make the most of it....we obviously aren't even dots in this massive universe- our world isn't all that special- but thats my opinion.
Keepin an open mind- while Buddhist and Taoist beliefs are quite interesting!..check it out.

[lateralus]

Philosopher or two in this thread. Unfortunately for you, I don't feel like hanging out here. Bye. :)

[justinsane]

so that would make.... lateralus... black?

[MoonStarer420]

Will reply more later.


Actually, the world here is 3D, and we perceive it as such. BUT, we do not see 3D images with our eyes, its our brains that deceive us into thinking its 3D. And the thing is, the way the 2D pic is formed, comes from a 3D world. So therefore thinking wrongly about what we see brings is right to the truth.

What about the ability to focus on near objects and block out far? or the reverse?

NAhh I do know what you mean though, yea you got me.

[MudFu]

Seeing is believing. 2-D comes from 3-D but 3-D is only the use of lights/shades and curves. It is easy to make 2-D into 3-D and vis-versa.


Why are babies different then?

Babies are different because they are unable to commit to...hmmm ok I'm going to have to say this, good or evil. Babies have a fresh start and re not tanted by the world. They know nothing of Good and nothing of Bad, they view everything as the same and this makes them have the greatest views. But as a child grows they become tanted and make new views of the world and try to uncover the reason for everything. This is why I say that we are all born smart and we grow dumb. We should enjoy what have been given to us and be thankful we have it.

[CocaCola]

Seeing is believing. 2-D comes from 3-D but 3-D is only the use of lights/shades and curves. It is easy to make 2-D into 3-D and vis-versa.

The 3D you see in movies or games is not really 3D, so you're wrong. 3D is more complicated then that.

[MudFu]

It's not complicated, it is only if you make it complicated.

[madjicorange]

I think you may have somthing here. Theres also a problem in assuming that your five senses are able to detect everything around you. We are only able to precive reality in 3D, up/down, left/right, and front/back. Think of what life would be like if we had to deal with spacetime on a personal day-to-day basis.
we percieve in 4d xzy and time we deal with spacetime eveyday we move through space and time passes us by

[madjicorange]

[QUOTE=A human cannot fully comprehend that something doesent have a beginning.[/QUOTE]
the universe we live in began 13 billion years ago can you comprehend that

[CocaCola]

Right, began AGAIN. Maybe.

Could you be so arrogant to actually think you really know when the universe began?

[chitownzflyest]

first of all good and evil have nothing to do with earth......lucifer was on gods side until he did something against god and then they separated and made heaven and hell.....................

[Faultydesign]

I love that the deepest thoughts come from a message board on cannabis.com

[Faultydesign]

I also believe that space time is an additional dimmension. But I think it needs to be intertwined with relative existance. In order for space time to be a constant...which I'm very sure everyone would agree that it is everyone must experience an altered speed of light which is affected by your position in curved space. Which leads to all sorts of interesting possibilites of the actual events happening to everyone at the same time...whcih is just fuggen...wierd shit.