What strain would you pick? [Archive] - Green Grass Forums

RastaKaze

10-12-2005, 03:11 AM

lol, it's:

Well
Life is, so love the one you got
Cuz you might get run over or you might get shot
Neva start no static I just get it off ma chest..
Neva had to battle with my bullet proof vest
Now take a small example (A tip from me)
Take all of your money, give it all to charity-dee-dee-dee!
Love's what I got
It's within my reach and the sublime style's just straight from long BEACH

god.. such a kickass band. I have my own recording of what I got if your interested lol.. dont have alot of CD's from them but I grew up with a teenage bro in the nineties, and inevitably :), got introduced to sublime when I was like 6... so I have a huge library on limewire though lots and lots of sublime.. I remember one cd though with the main guys back on it I think, wit sublime tatted across, and HELLS yea send me rivers of babylon man anything I havnt heard from thems gotta b worth listening 2.. my emails [email protected]
thanks man,
peace

Starseed

10-12-2005, 03:56 AM

Heya turtle.

My suggestion would to be mix th2 strains, label pots and put a WW seed in 1 pot, and put a Bubblicious seed in 1 pot.

Grow 2 and lst them. I think you would get some massively big buds my friend.

-Props to ya.

Bonez87x

10-12-2005, 04:27 AM

But Turtle420.. I think.. hm... from what I smoked... White widow has an exellent high even though I havent had Bubblelicious before, and after bag seed, If I had the chance between the two I would have chosen White widow.. but I could only find Jamaican Reds so thats what I grew after the bag seed.

BukDatAss

10-12-2005, 06:00 AM

Turtle - how early can you switch from veg. stage to flower inorder to determine sex. and after you get the females can you go back to re-veg at 24hr light?

turtle420

10-12-2005, 10:14 AM

Turtle - how early can you switch from veg. stage to flower inorder to determine sex. and after you get the females can you go back to re-veg at 24hr light?

How early veg-->flower?
I don't know. My plans are to post pictures here constantly and watch for the comments from our grower friends.

After the females, can I go back to re-veg with 24/0?
I'm almost 100% sure that YES you can do it. The INs and OUTs of the thing, I'm not sure. But yeah, you can do it. Although I was thinking of using 18/6, instead of 24/0, don't know why.

Hey! Bully people from the "Bull Shit!" thread! You hear that?! I'm going to be posting pics everyday, and I need your help everyday! So piss all you want, but I know you won't be able to stop your self from helping your long, lost nieces... :) :) :)

SeedKing72

10-12-2005, 12:14 PM

White Widow.. for the EXTREME high

turtle420

10-12-2005, 12:58 PM

Thanks people... yesterday night I picked White Widow.

The reason I don't want to grow two different strains is because there will be too much disimilarity. I've got a small cabinet (20"x40"x48") and it will be a SCRoG. So I'm thinking that it's going to be hell when one strain grows at a different rate than the other... or when one strain is ready to harvest but the other isn't yet. Things like that.

For such reason, I picked the White Widow. I followed KidKind's FAQ @ overgrow.com and did as he said for germination:
Glass of water, one drop of Superthrive (actually, I let like 3 drops go down...)
Initially, they're all floating.
As the hours go by, they started to sink, one by one. By hour 6, only 1 seed was left floating at the surface... I agitated the water a little bit, and it went under.
Then I took a Ziplock container (the disposable plastic 'small boxes') and placed a paper towel on the bottom.
Then I moistened the towel with the same Superthrive solution, and I placed my 5 seeds on the towel.
I plaed the lid on the box (box, bowl, whatever) and placed that on top of my crappy router. At least the router is being usefull for something! God knows it sucks for my WiFi routing needs... (God damn you Belkin!)

Let's see how they turn out. I'll keep you guys updated.

Thanks,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

10-12-2005, 04:41 PM

AWSOME pick.. I can't wait to see man :).. oh, thanks for the song ;)

stickygreenlightsabr

10-12-2005, 08:39 PM

Can I ask why you prefer flowering/reveg over cloning for sex or just waiting for pre-flowers to show?

turtle420

10-12-2005, 09:22 PM

Can I ask why you prefer flowering/reveg over cloning for sex or just waiting for pre-flowers to show?

Yes you may Sticky...

I'll reply to your question with another question:

What are you suggesting?!
C'mon! Let me in! What I'm trying to do is a LST SCRoG. I've read that a SCRoG is a pain in the ass to do from seedlings (HarddOn's experience), that's the reason I've decided to start off with clones.
Sticky, what do you suggest? Is there a better, faster way?

What do you mean "cloning for sex"?
As to the pre-flowers showing, how much time do you think that could take? I was thinking of given them 12/12 to accelerate the process...

All input is more than welcome! :)

Thanks,
-turtle420 :cool:

smokeallday

10-12-2005, 09:49 PM

you could wait a few weeks, then take a clone and put this clone right on 12/12 so you force it to flower and 1 or 2 weeks later you'll see the sex.

just my opinion though, i heard it could be done

turtle420

10-12-2005, 10:27 PM

I'm sooooo happy!!! I'm a dad!!!

And in an ironic twist, these offsprings will actually generate money as opposed to spending it.

Seeds: White Widow from WeedFarmer.com

turtle420

10-12-2005, 10:42 PM

Quick Question:

I just placed the seeds in some pots with a soil/pro-mix "mix"... When should I hit them with the CFLs?

I'm headed over to Walmart right now to buy some. So please, call me on my phone and tell me what CFL would be best... my number is... wait, wait wait wait... No no no nooooOOO... Forget it. LoL Just kidding. All input would be great!

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

10-12-2005, 10:45 PM

you could wait a few weeks, then take a clone and put this clone right on 12/12 so you force it to flower and 1 or 2 weeks later you'll see the sex.

just my opinion though, i heard it could be done

Smoke,

I'll think about that. I think that's just the ticket!!! :D :D :D :D

Thanks Smoke!

-turtle420 :cool:

xxSTONER.MANxx

10-12-2005, 11:16 PM

turtle use black lights later homie

xxSTONER.MANxx

10-12-2005, 11:18 PM

and send me some lol for real though send me some

turtle420

10-12-2005, 11:32 PM

and send me some lol for real though send me some

Send you some... buds? Or blacklights? LoL!

Blacklights... what do you mean? I know what a blacklight is... no problem with that. My question is::: A blacklight will help seedlings more than a white CFL?

Thanks! :)

smokeallday

10-13-2005, 06:37 AM

you wanna put them under the cfl's as soon as they sprout, but before that, no light at all. keep a fan blowing on the cfls so you can keep them close to your plant. they sell a 43w cool watt at HD and wal-mart i think, 2 or 3 of them would be alright for the first two or 3 weeks and u dont need any special socket to use them. keep us updated man looking forward to see what will happen with your grow.

peace.-n-smokeallday

smokeallday

10-13-2005, 06:39 AM

no black lights dont do shit for growing, dont even listen to this guy, there must be a good reason why he got banned. cfl's are the way to go for seedlings, you can also use fluoro tubes. peace

turtle420

10-13-2005, 03:04 PM

Hello guys...

Yesterday night, I transplanted the seeds to two pots filled with a Pro-Mix/soil mix.

Here's a pic of the seed that's most photogenic... :)

I bought some 43W CFLs for "reading" and and placed them on top.

turtle420

10-13-2005, 08:44 PM

They grew! They're bigger now than in the morning!!!!!

Should I keep the CFLs turned ON for the entire night? 24/0 ?

Or do I put some timers on them and give them 18/6?

Thanks!

RastaKaze

10-14-2005, 01:48 AM

RastaKaze

10-14-2005, 01:54 AM

Oh looks like you've got sprouts... yes keep them under 24/0 for now. I even use 24/0 for the entire veg... you can make the plants grow faster this way and they're havn't been any reports of undue stress of hermies. Photosynthesis is the process of the plants taking in light and co2 and making food, in turn causing growth. So of course, if you constantly supply your babies with plenty of both they will thrive :D

Peace Again

turtle420

10-14-2005, 02:09 AM

Thanks Rasta!

Now that you mention the never to be watered again,:::
I placed a small mixture of my pot mix (soil/pro-mix) with the gel crystals... These are the gel crystals that puff-up when you pour water on them.

Anyways, I though these crystals would really help out because they would hold moisture for the small tap roots to use.

Thanks for the input man... I'm almost as happy to have my seedlings as to having you somebody post!

I though Garden Knowm had made a deal with everyone and nobody was going to post nothing in my threads any more... Garden, :(

Don't worry Garden, I love you too. Really. I do. Like love you. Me. To you. Love.
good thing this is through the internet because that sounds so gay

BukDatAss

10-14-2005, 04:09 AM

seedbare

10-14-2005, 04:09 AM

seedbare

10-14-2005, 04:26 AM

When or around what week is it good to take a clone from ur plant? Can you leave the clone together with the mother in the veg stage untill the clone or clones catch up, in order to enter the flowering stage together?

the clones for determining sex should be taken after the plant has 6 or 8 nodes on it. you then establish roots for the clone ,then place it in 12/12 lighting (12light12dark) sex should be determined in 10 to 14 days.

pot plants are male,female,or hermie's

males are too low in thc content to smoke, females are what you want, hermies can be good, they are as potent as females if you can keep it from self polinating,(cut off balls), also if you cut off the balls of a hermie save them because if you polinate another female (not the plant they came off) You will get 100% female seeds, (this wont work if you polinate the plant they come off) it hast to be a totally different plant (not a clone of the hermie).

turtle420

10-14-2005, 07:15 AM

hey turtle just to clear up some of my confusion, after they sprouted you buried them 1/4'' inch down in the soil with the tap root down ... right??... because sprouts shouldent be just layed on top of the soil like that with a light on them....

No seedbare, I did not.

I didn't leave them on the surface... but I inserted them about 0.25" deep into the gel/soil mix. But I don't think this is working out too well... So right now, being 3:20am, I'm going to replant my 5 sprouts about 0.25" into the soil with the tap root looking down.

Thanks seedbare :)

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

10-14-2005, 02:54 PM

Hey... just an update of these seeds...

I transplanted from the gel stuff to the soil, and already they're taking shape.

Seems that in the gel, they were like: Dude, this sucks... this crappy gel isn't going to help us out much... HELP! Get us out of here!

So now in the soil, they took a "grab" of the soil and now they're standing up! Nice :)

Here's a pic.

turtle420

10-14-2005, 02:58 PM

Read the lumen output, and make sure you have atleast 8,000 lumens per plant in cfl's... Happy to hear you've got seeds! Be very careful not to disturb the tap root.. I soak my seeds till they go to the bottom of the cup then sow 1/4" deep in fully saturated soil, never to water them again. Monitor moisture levels frequently and be very careful as it is extremely easy to overwater a seed and cause pythium rot :) Good luck man

Peace

Hey Rasta, hello again...

I have the box of the CFLs, and they read:
ENERGY USED: 42 watts
LIGHT OUTPUT: 2700 lumens
BULB LIFE: 10,000 hours
APPLICATION: growing Cannabis strains

I see that you suggest having 8000 lumens per plant... Ok, so with three of these bulbs I would be getting 8100 lumens... BUT! And here's the but, I plan of using these plants as mothers... NOT as my main grow.

Once they're bigger, I'd like to take clones, and give the clones 12/12 to determine sex. For the actual female clones I'm going to use in my hydro NFT LST SCRoG (cool when I write all that, seems so "wow") I'll be using a 600W HPS + a 400W MH.

Do you think I still should buy more bulbs?

Thanks for the input

-turtle420 :cool:

PS: I'm just fucking around with the "APPLICATION: growing Cannabis strains"

seedbare

10-14-2005, 03:49 PM

Id just get them to 2 weeks then use your metal halide, you could set them near a window in the day-light for extra kelvins and lumens till there 2 weeks. Also on lights there is a kelvin temperature idealy they should be at 6500k the one's they sell at wall-mart wont work to well, id check out home depot for the high kelvin &lumen kind. also you need to get those cfl's 1 to 2 inches from your plants when they pop up or there going to stretch too much and fall over killing them.

turtle420

10-14-2005, 04:48 PM

Crap...
Another $20 wasted...

But thanks for the heads up seedbare! :)

turtle420

10-16-2005, 10:32 PM

Day 4 Update

Hello guys....

Here are my two fastest growers on Day 4. :D

turtle420

10-17-2005, 09:30 PM

Hello...

I'd like to get your input on my plants' growth.

First pic shows Day 4 and 5...
Second pic shows current setup. Fan is out of view, but it's placed correctly, thus there's no heat build-up in the bulbs or in the plants. Yes, the plants are fluttering lightly back and forth because of the slight wind.

Remember, these are going to be mother plants. I'll take clones from these, and 12/12 them to determine the sex... once I've got the females, then I take the clones from those to make the real grow. :)

So, what do you think?

-turtle420 :cool:

smokeallday

10-18-2005, 04:16 AM

looking good, stem is growing. keep up the good work. keep them lights close so it dont start to stretch too much.

keep us updated

turtle420

10-18-2005, 07:16 PM

Here's a pic of Day 6.

They had a 7 hour dark period today, because the power went out... Don't know if that helped.

:)

HUGEBUDS

10-18-2005, 08:12 PM

nice job its looking good so far the light is close enough now keep it there so they dont strech my first indoor grow i had the light 18 inches from the top of the soil and the plants sprouted so tall they just fell over and died so keep it close learn from ur mistakes write everything down it will help

turtle420

10-18-2005, 10:56 PM

HugeBuds,

Thanks for the tips... :)

Here you've got a couple of pictures. I have a temperature/humidity meter, which I'll use for the actual 12plant SCRoG... anyways, I placed the probe on top of the soil of the two fastest growers, and the temperature was very concerning.

I recorded a max temperature of 101.3 degrees Farenheit. After some alterations to the fan height/angle/speed setup, the temperature got to 94.6 degrees Farenheit.

101.3 F = 38.5 C
94.6 F = 34.8 C

Humidity, as you can see in the meter pic, is @ 77%. That's the ambient humidity,,, no humidifiers or de-humidifiers.

Anyway, tomorrow, I'm going to instal another fan, circulating air more directly to the plants. Hope that helps.

Ideas, suggestions? Thanks for the input,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

10-19-2005, 12:45 PM

Here are some pics from the girls...

You have a Day 6 & 7 comparison of the same plant. It grew much, much faster than the average growth from the other two plants.

This was probably due (please, give input) to the fact that they had a long 12 hours dark period. I guess it stretched. But I think that if I keep the lights 24/0 I can stop them from growing that fast.

I have to do some modifications today to the cooling fans, or else the plants are going to have to have another dark period tonight. And we don't want that... thus, to work!

Please provide input, if any. :)

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

10-20-2005, 02:35 AM

Ok first of all your temps are a very big conern to me.. "photosynthesis is best performed in temps ranging from 74-78 degrees celcius" - Garden Knowm. THIS IS IMPERATIVE. 80 is OK... 90, pushing it... Anything above and your asking for hermaphodites. Those generic reading cfl's aren't going to cut it either, they are neither sufficient in lumens much less spectrum.. I would say definitely switch to your 400w Mh A.S.A.P. But keep in mind this is going to create even more heat problems.. your going to have to accomidate with an extra fan or two.. two if they're crappy one if it's decently powerful. Just position it to blow on the lights upward, to push the hot air up. Hope some of this helps..

Cheers :D

RastaKaze

10-20-2005, 03:31 AM

turtle420

10-20-2005, 10:38 AM

Thanks Rasta...

Here's my situation as to the air temperature:
My current temp. is @: 86.0 F. This is the reading from the probe that's on top of the soil.
My ambient air temperature is 85.4 F. So, I think everything is doing pretty good to have a 0.6 F increase in temperatures.

In order to lower the temperature even more, I'm going to have to instal a a/c unit or something... ?!?!?!?!! Woa!!! I think that's just too much... My plants will have to cut it with 86 - 90 F temps.

The only way I'm installing an a/c system into the plants is if the temps inside my cabinet go over 90F when I've got both HPS + MH going... If, with those two bulbs, and all the fans I'm going to install, the temp still soars over 90F, fuck it... a/c it is.

This sucks for me, thou....

Thanks for the input Rasta!

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

10-21-2005, 11:13 AM

Holy Fuck, Mother Fucking Fucking Fuck!

I just installed my 400W MH... Hole FUCK! That shit is bright!

Now I'm part of the legion of growers that are blind because of their lights. Now I'm part of that brotherhood... yes, that brotherhood of mini-inside-Suns... NOW! My plants will know what 'broad spectrum' really means.... Now my plants know the superior reflective capabilities of Mylar. Yes! Yes! Yes!!!

There's a pic below of the setup. I'm sorry for the light mount... but I was very tired and I gave it only 5 minutes of my time. I have a reflector in my posession... but I cannot use it. Maybe I'll be able to use it in the future, but for now, I've got to permit it to take usable space inside my home while I'm unable to take advantage of its reflective capabilities.

There's another reflector that's supposed to ship out of California today... but that means I'll be getting it next week....

I think I'm going to go ahead and use the reflector I've got.

<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>

As to the cabinet, I covered it with Mylar yesterday. Wow! Impressive shit.

I'm going to see if I can buy a floor fan today, and some of HarddOn's creepy cardboard... This way, I'll make the necessary holes into the cabinet, and make some exhaust systems and air intakes... because I need to place the door back on the cabinet ASAP... MY ENTIRE ROOM was illuminated throughout the entire night!

I guess the neighborghs where thinking...: "Well, there goes turtle again with his cold fusion experiments..." :D

With the new light, I've been able to keep the temps @ a max of 89 F.

Thanks people. Looking forward to input,

-turtle420 :cool:

PS: I had to instal the MH yesterday, because I compared my plants with RastaKaze's on day 5, and Rasta's plants will woop my plants' asses anyday... that sucks. He had a MH going on... and I had CFLs. But I had a MH just sitting there... so I said 'Fuck it!' and went ahead and did the installation. I'll never forget the funny colors the bulb goes through when it turns on... Yeah... I still see them 8 hours later. LOL!!!

RastaKaze

10-21-2005, 03:12 PM

AWSOME :) HD would love this, man I can tell your gonna be like 9skis and the rest of us that are kinda new to this... we don't know shit, but when someone says something needs to change, we just do it... The pics kinda far away so I cant tell what difference the mh has made, but man do they look a richer green! Your gonna fine, may I suggest watering with superthrive? A few drops in a gallon should do it. Also, do you have mylar reflecting the light back down? There's gotta be something reflective on her roof.. also next time you stop by the garden store I'd pick up a bag of "alabastar stone chips" and add a layer to the top of your soil.. this will decrease the amount of light being absorbed by things OTHER then plant material. Lookin' good, keep doing what your doing :D

Peace

RastaKaze

10-21-2005, 03:22 PM

Also when you transplant, use a hell of alot more perlite. atleast 30% perlite. I use 50/50. Not alot of people take this advice but man it makes such a huge difference.. you see perlite dosen't hold water so if you have a 50/50 perlite/peat mix not only is there MORE oxygen available for the roots to thrive on, but it's more lightweight therefore allows the roots to grow through the medium easier (which means an overall healtheir and more robust root system), not to mention it's very hard to water.

Peace :)

turtle420

10-22-2005, 01:31 AM

Hello guys... I've got a couple of ideas bouncing around in my head...

Ok, my cabinet is 40"x20" and about 46" high. Perfectly sealed if need be.

I'm about to buy one of those Dayton fans to exhaust the air from inside the grow room... and then buy a leaf blower to push air through the reflector housing.

IDEA: What do you think if... if I make the room sealed... and use CO2....

I could buy a water chiller [http://cgi.ebay.com/Oasis-Drinking-Fountain-Water-Cooler-Chiller-Mo-R8_W0QQitemZ7556019577QQcategoryZ53225QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ].

This water chiller, I connect a water pump, a small radiator (like the ones used for engine oil/transmission oil coolers) with a fan... I cool the water with the chiller, then move that water into the oil cooler... so, basically, it would be like a mini air conditioning unit.

I could then inject CO2 into the cabinet... plus keep my temps down. The things that I'm unsure about are how many BTUs does the water chiller have capability for.

Ideas? Suggestions? Thanks !

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

10-22-2005, 02:45 AM

Wish I could help but that's zandor level stuff.. hell I wish anyone could help ya, wtf is it me or have the forums been kinda deserted with HD's departion... oh well. good luck to ya, I hope things work out

turtle420

10-23-2005, 04:42 PM

Hello guys...

I need help!

Here's my situation... where I live, the average temp is about 80 F (night 74F, day 87 F ).

I'm unable to get the temperature of my box down... It's hovering in the 90's. Sometimes 91F. If I get in the way of the fans, it can reach 96F in less than a minute. Seems I'm running an F1 engine or something... :(

My box is less than 35 cubic feet. I've got a leaf blower cooling the reflector housing right now. The reflector housing is one of those that you install a glass below the bulbs, and then you have a "sealed" reflector... so all the hot air stays inside the reflector... or so the theory goes.

Again, I've got a freaking leaf blower cooling that thing. It's rated @ 275CFM. 7.5AMPs. And a SHITLOAD of noise. Unberable!

QUESTION: Are Dayton fans quieter? What about the 265 CFM version? Quieter than a freaking leaf blower? What about the 465 CFM version?

I just can't stand the noise. That leaf blower is driving me insane!!! In fact, after I write this and post it, I'll be turning off the lights just because of the freaking noise... :(

The Second QUESTION: What do you suggest for cooling the box inside?

In order to provide air circulation to the small plants, I've got a tower fan laying horizontally and pointing towards the plants. Now, what can I get to exchange the air quickly enough inside the 35ft^3 box? 465CFM? or 265CFM?

In addition to all this, I cannot close the door of my cabinet because the temps will just soar... I've got an 18" floor fan blowing air into the cabinet all over.

??!?!!! H E E E E E E L P ! ! ! !

Thank you very much,

-turtle420 :cool:

PS: Can somebody give me input on the idea of using the water chiller as a quasi-a/c unit?

RastaKaze

10-23-2005, 05:08 PM

How are they lookin'? Let's see some pics.. if they don't appear to be suffering from the heat then you should be ok.

turtle420

10-23-2005, 07:39 PM

Rasta, thanks for replying man... it gives me a sense of hope...

Dude, here you have three pics... what do you think?

I'm headed out the door right now... so I'll check your replies later today. Thanks man!

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

10-23-2005, 08:27 PM

Well I don't see anything WRONG with any of them... one's deformed, that might pose a problem for you later on, but otherwise they're just slow growers. A few things could be causing this.. how often is the air in your growroom replaced? Where is your air coming from? Hopefully not from inside... stale air can really stunt a plant, so if you dont have a co2 system, you should try to configure a way to pull in fresh air and have it vented out of the growroom.. You can manage this with as little as a few dryer tubes a fan and a garbage bag.. Just have the "intake" end of the tube and stick it out a window and cover up the open area with a sheet of cardboard or something.. This is SUPER important. Below pic 1 is my first attempt at (2) weeks... pretty sad :o I had no true ventilation, simply a mess of fans blowing every which way. Pic 2 is my second attemp at 2 weeks, and as you can see, FRESH air makes a hell of a difference. And if already HAVE fresh air coming in, then I'd have to say It's your soil. It looks like it has a high bark content, and not much perlite, Making this another possiblity of the slow growing. Ya see the all that bark forces the roots to go under more stress then they should have to, and on they're way to the bottom of the pot they have to work around all that bark and can sometimes get entangled. Not only that, but if you have a ton of bark in your soil that's less actual volume in the pot for your roots to thrive in. Get back to me on those two issues and if we can't figure this thing out on our own we'll call in the big boys... Zandor? latewood! Garden Knowm... Hardonn? :D

Peace

turtle420

10-23-2005, 08:57 PM

Rasta,

Thanks dude!

As to the soil... well, I guess I can re-plant them... but I think it would be better for them to grow a little bit more... they seem too fragile to get transplanted now... I think.

As to the fresh air... well, I'm going to try and improve the airflow... but in my house, airflow is pretty good. I mean, I constantly get a good breeze from one side of my house to the other... but anyways, I'll try and help in that aspect a little bit.

Right now, I'm going to try and build a 'cone' for a 18" floor fan... Hopefully, I can get good airflow with this setup and it won't be so noisy as the fucking leaf blower... ARGHHH!!!! The leaf blower!!! It's driving me insane!!! Insane in the membrane!!! Insane in the brain!

I'll update soon,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

10-23-2005, 09:16 PM

Ideally you should repot A.S.AP. It will be impossible to seperate the toot systems of those two in a few weeks.. You could just rip up your deformed one if you wanted to wait a bit to repot.. but if you want to help them grow faster then you should do it now. Simply cut the bottom off a 2 liter and place it around your seedling then push down and pull your root ball up.. I wouldn't think the roots even have much mass to them, and have confidence that you could do it completely stress-free. For soil: Pick up a bag of peat moss, and a bag of perlite, mix it 50/50. This will be perfect for the young plant.. shape a hole in your saturated mix and place your babies in carefully and cover the top wth a little more of your soil mix, they will love you for it. For airflow I reccomend taking one of your fans and tying it up in a garbage bag, then you can rip holes in the garbage bag near the front and back of the fan. Then you can buy a long ass peice of dryer hose and possibilties will be limitless... you will be able to feed the intake tube out of ANY window in your house, plus it's easy to hide if you have visitors... just scrunch up the tubing and put the fan in your grow room! :D

turtle420

10-23-2005, 09:41 PM

Yo Rasta!

Dude, please elaborate a little bit more on the fan/garbage bag thing....
I take a fan... let's use a pedestal fan for clarity's sake.

Ok, so I take this pedestal fan, and I put a garbage bag over it. Completely covering it. Right?

Then I... I poke holes in front and back? So, then, I hook-up the dryer hose to the bag... ??? Got it right?

Or is it::: I place the bag so that when the fan turns ON, the bag fills up with air... Then, I place my dryer hose at the end of this bag... Is this it?

Rasta, thanks for all the replies dude... I know this is going to be a kick-ass grow...

I'm experimenting with the bag right now... I just built yet another one of my super-duper fan cones and it doesn't work. !!!! Arghhh...!!!

I'll check back in 15 minutes... :) Thanks Rasta!

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

10-23-2005, 11:36 PM

1. Prepare your intake/exaust tubes...

2. Grab a regular ol' desk fan from the drug store...

3. Get yourself a garbage bag, cut a hole with a pair of scissors at the bottom of the bag to feed the wire through...

4. Pull you wire through...

5. Tie up the entire fan with the wire feeding out of it's base.......

turtle420

10-23-2005, 11:40 PM

Yeah!!! That's my homie!!!

Ok dude... I'm following you... I'm reloading... :) :) :) :) :) :)

RastaKaze

10-23-2005, 11:41 PM

6. Start a hole with your fingers on the back of the fan, then do the same on the front.

7. Work your dryer hose to fit the holes and wuala fresh air. You'll know if you did it right when you smell the exaust... It should smell like outside :D

Let me know how it works!
Peace

turtle420

10-23-2005, 11:50 PM

Rasta dude...

My friend, I'll get to work right now. I'll give you an update... about 15 minutes...

Wait... I need to go to Walgreens to buy some big trash bags... the ones I've got are too small for the fan I've got.

I'll should be updating my status in about 60 minutes... :)

THANKS dude! I'll let you know in a while. ;)

turtle420

10-24-2005, 12:56 AM

Rasta,

Ok, here are two pics of try #1.

I placed the dryer hose off-center on purpose, because in my fan, in the front-center of the grill, it has the logo of the company... and on the rear, it has the motor protruding.

So I thought airflow was going to be hampered by it. I'm going to re-do the thing with another trash bag... with the ducts (dryer hose) on-center. Update in a couple of minute. :thumbsup:

-turtle420 :cool:

PS: Hey Rasta... I see in your pics that your dryer hose is like 6 inches in diameter... I'm probably off... but anyways, what's the diameter? I'm using a 4" duct... ??? :stoned:

PSS:... Hey dude, this icon :rasta: has your name. :thumbsup:

RastaKaze

10-24-2005, 01:10 AM

Fuckin' awsome :D You did right by having the duct off center... I'm usin a 6" tube, but it really dosen't matter what size it is.. because the fan's tied up in a trashbag the only source of air it has is from the intake tube, so every bit of air exausting is from oustide. You don't even need to have a powerful gust of air... as long as you can feel a light breeze or temperature difference when you place your hand next to the exaust duct, you've done good :cool:

turtle420

10-24-2005, 01:28 AM

Ok, update...

I've cut-up the 1st trash bag, then replaced it with a second one. The second one, I placed the ducts on-center, and, well, um, kind off blew less.

So, I'll cut-up this bag again, and the re-do it with a 3rd one. On that one, place the ducts slight off-center again, and I was thinking of playing a little bit with 'spacers' for the ducts... so they're not 100% against the fan. I think it might help to give them about 0.5" or 1" between the duct and the fan.

I'll try this, to see how it goes. Tomorrow. I'm just too stoned right now.

I hope this works... I was thinking that maybe I can buy a smaller fan... like the ones on your pictures. Tomorrow. :) Maybe that has better performance.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed... I'm telling you, that cabinet is pretty hot.

So, as it stands, RECAP:
I'll install the RastaFan for fresh air exchange with my windows... hopefully I can get a 6" duct.
I'll install my tower fan horizontally (have to build the stand for that) so it blows air on top of the plants.
I'll try and get some switches for the leaf blower, try and get it on a lower speed (less noise)... I need to have that reflector cool.

Thinking, I'm thinking....

RastaKaze

10-24-2005, 01:57 AM

You have a reflector? That's your problem, they conduct so much fucking heat... Lose it immeadiately. You'd be surpride how much the heat will go down.. also may I ask are all the walls surrounding (including ceiling and floor) you girls reflective? I could see you being able to close the door, perhaps even get some rest without the fuckn' leaf blower on all night by the time we tackle all your heat issues..

turtle420

10-24-2005, 10:57 AM

Rasta man...

Reflector... yes... here's the one I've got http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/customkititems.asp?kc=HLDSSP10&eq= with the glass and air fittings.

Lose it? Um... take it out and leave the bulb on its own? Or take out the glass on the bottom of the reflector?

Intereseting that you tell me that they conduct a lot of heat. I think I'm going to run a few tests...

Thanks Rasta... I'll keep you updated ;)

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

10-24-2005, 11:49 AM

BTW: All surfaces of the grow room are covered with mylar... walls, floors, 'ceilings', support beams, etc. everything is mylared. :)

RastaKaze

10-24-2005, 01:22 PM

Yes, try mounting the bullb on it's own and test again for temps.. Tell me how it goes :)

turtle420

10-24-2005, 01:28 PM

Rasta, check it out...

This morning, I really wanted to turn the MH On... but I didn't want the freaking leaf blower... soooo... I cut up the masking tape that made up the NASA-approved blower-to-duct seal, and I installed a 50CFM bathroom extractor fan I bought yesterday ($15). Then, I re-sealed the union with appropiate NASA writen "Masking Tape Sealing Methods, Volume I".

The small fan is dead quiet. Well, the reflector is cool to the touch, there's no noise... the temperature inside the grow room is stable @ about 88 F (!!!!!)....

WTF?! Apparently, the leaf blower raises the pressure of the air quite a bit... and, because when you compress a gas it heats up (NASA info), the air from the leaf blower was actually heating the entire shee-bang... !

Well, I'm keeping my eye out for the temperatures... but, so far, so good.

I'm going to install an air intake for the box, then place another one of these super nifty 50 CFM fans inside the box... try to get a little vacuum going on there (so the 'door' stays put).

I felt like kissing the little fan... but I didn't.

I'll throw an update in a couple of hours... I'm headed out the road to do a couple of things.

BTW: Another GREAT side effect of not having the freaking leaf blower with its noise... is the fact that I just re-started classical music therapy on them.... :) You hear that Garden Knwom?!?!?! More classical music!!! A, hahahahahahahaaaAA!!!!

Later,

-turtle420 :cool:

Pic #1: General condition of plants
Pic #2: Master Chief says; "Stay the fuck away from the girls or I'll put a sniper bullet in your head..."

PS: What the fuck happened to the vB code? Since they've added the new smilies the text you're writing is super small... Argghhhhh!!! I'm going to post a suggestion in the proper forum... :) I'm sure they'll listen...

RastaKaze

10-24-2005, 01:36 PM

I hope your getting soil.. :)

turtle420

10-24-2005, 10:16 PM

I hope your getting soil.. :)

Soil? I was thinking of tomorrow doing your suggestion and buying:
1- super "magic" rocks (the white ones that you mentioned)
2- more perlite
3- peat moss

Then doing the re-plant thingy... Hey, you think it would help to use rooting powder in the transplant?

+_+_+ UPDATE::::

The temps today have been very steady. The MAX has been about 94F, and the average has been around the 90.5's...

That little 50 CFM fart fan is really pulling through. Because I bought two of them, I placed one of them blowing air into the reflector housing, and I then placed the 2nd one blowing air to the heat sinks on the side of the ballast. That's helping keep the ballast warm, instead of hot.

Um, it's too late right now, but tomorrow, I'm going to instal another 50 CFM fart fan I bought today inside the box... then drill a couple of holes for air circulation. QUESTION: Should I instal the fart fan on the top of the box, and then the intakes on the bottom? Or the other way around? Fan on the bottom and intakes on the top?

QUESTION: Temperature probe...
You've probably seen my temperature probe in past pictures... ok, here's the question: Should it be placed on the surface of the soil? Or should it be hanging vertically at plant-height? . I'm thinking that the temperatures it's providing me with are a little off to the hot side... because the probe is just laying there one the top-soil, with little airflow, and with its side exposed to the light... ??? Ideas?

Rasta dude! Thanks for the help... Over and out!

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

10-24-2005, 11:04 PM

Intake-Bottom
Exaust-Top

Regarding the probe temps...

You must understand the difference between air and radiant temperature... an example of radiant heat was your reflector getting heated up and causing problems with temps :D air temperature however refers to the temperature of the mixed air in the room.. you can determine this by folding a peice of cardboard and tenting your probe so it isn't directly exposed to the light. This will tell you the correct air temperature of your growroom.

turtle420

10-25-2005, 01:35 AM

Ok, tomorrow I'll cut up two 2" holes on the top-side of the cabinet and install both fart fans...

I'll then drill a couple of 1" holes on the bottom for the intake. I'll start with two 1" holes... then, depending on the suction of the front door panel, I'll drill one more... or two more... or three... ???

As to the temperature probe, I'm going to make that little cardboard tent... that was what I was talking about... Excellent. It's just, that I think I'm getting incorrect readings from that probe... I'm sure everything will clear up once the 'tent' is made and installed.

I'm going to upload some pics in a few minutes... but I was able to place the plants about 1" away from the reflector's lower glass plate. I did the 'hand burn' test... and to be honest, even placing my fingers in direct touch with the reflector's glass, they didn't burn. It was warm, but not uncomfortable. In fact, it was much cooler than my CFLs (when I used them). So now, I've got the girls about 1" from the glass... :D I'm sure they're liking it...

They've been like that for a couple of hours, and they're not showing any signs of burning or anything... I'll keep an eye out.

I'll update in a little while,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

10-25-2005, 01:45 AM

DAMN :)

Your determination is fascinating. Keep doing things the way your doing them... Your ladies will thank you in the end :D

turtle420

10-25-2005, 10:54 AM

Good morning Rasta,

Here's the update... I checked the temperature display, and it was reading 89.6F... sweet. Then I checked the MAX temp and it was 90.6F. Even more sweet!

I'm including two pics... the first one, well, you can see my cabinet inside my closet... and you can see the tower fan invention... The space that's open above the tower fan, right there there's a lot of air going out. I aimed the tower fan to the other end of the cabinet... so, apparently, there's a pretty nice air cross-flow going on there.

Other than that, everything is looking fine. I think I'm doing good in not committing the 'newbie's error' and over-watering. I just pour like 1tbsp for each one of them at a time. Water + two/three drops of SuperThrive.

Hey Rasta, I'm going to scan the labels of the bottles I have... When I ordered my lights and stuff, I ordered quite a number of additives... for growth... for flowering... for blooming... for flushing the plant... etc. I know, I know that I can't mix them all up... but I want to place the labels (name + instructions) here, so we can start figuring out the diet for the plants when the time comes. Remember, these plants growing right now are the mother plants, then we take 12 clones and... let her rip!

Till a little later,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

10-25-2005, 01:43 PM

Yes :) you'll will start to feed the little bitches around week three so, post labels and we'll figure out your plan..

turtle420

10-25-2005, 03:12 PM

Here we go... #1

turtle420

10-25-2005, 03:12 PM

Here we go... #2

turtle420

10-25-2005, 03:14 PM

Here we go... #3

turtle420

10-25-2005, 03:15 PM

Here we go... #4

turtle420

10-25-2005, 03:17 PM

Here we go... #5

turtle420

10-25-2005, 03:17 PM

Here we go... #6

turtle420

10-25-2005, 03:20 PM

Here we go... #7

RastaKaze

10-25-2005, 03:22 PM

I think it will be floramicro for veg, bloom for bloom.. As for the application of the nutes I having no fucking clue abut hydroponics, that's Zandor's realm

turtle420

10-25-2005, 03:22 PM

Here we go... #8

RastaKaze

10-25-2005, 03:26 PM

All the others seem lacking in some nutes not to mention overly abundant in others... Stick with the micro and bloom I would say, but again, ask Zandor how much and stuff like that

turtle420

10-25-2005, 03:27 PM

I think it will be floramicro for veg, bloom for bloom.. As for the application of the nutes I having no fucking clue abut hydroponics, that's Zandor's realm

No problem... let's see what we do.

The other thing I've got that I didn't list is the SuperThrive...

Let's see if Zandor or somebody drops by and gives us a hand... At least we've still got time.

I'm not really interested in feeding the mother plants (if they survive in SuperThrive and water, that's it)... I'm interested in planning out the mixes we'll use when the time comes for the 12 plant hydro NFT.

I've got an idea!!! Let's call Garden! Hey wanker! Can you stop reading my thread and not-posting? Could you please shed some light on this subject? I mean, I know you're pissed off at me because I revealed your 3rd nipple to the world... and I know that's the reason that your new avatar is a picture of your back... But please Garden,... help us out! :smokin:

Rasta, what do you think? I think this is planning to be a kick-ass grow... :)

Picture: I asked MasterChief to keep a watch on the temperatures... I gave him a cig so he wouldn't be so bored...

Over and out...

-turtle420 :cool:

PS: I'll be using filtered water (R.O. and DeIonized [DI])

RastaKaze

10-25-2005, 03:30 PM

Start watering with superthrive immeadiately.. 2 drops a gallon will do it.

turtle420

10-25-2005, 03:33 PM

Start watering with superthrive immeadiately.. 2 drops a gallon will do it.

On it... I've been using a 1 Liter bottle of pepsi... I added about 2 or 3 drops to that liter... That's the water I've been using since day 1. :D

Nice!!!

turtle420

10-25-2005, 04:41 PM

I just installed a 'tent' for the temperature probe... I beleive I'm getting accurate readings now... I think.

RastaKaze

10-25-2005, 05:58 PM

turtle420

10-25-2005, 06:12 PM

GOD DAMN YOU TURTLE. First the rastafan, now the tent... stop god damn improving my inventions!!!! I just wanted you to fold a random peice of garbage and place it on top of the god damn probe! lol No seriously very nice job.. your creativity is refreshing :thumbsup:

LoL dude... LOL!!!

Not to worry, when the harvesting is done, we'll toke some to the sound of sublime... :)

Hey, I just got @ the post office a box with the Sonic Bloom system. I ain't going to use the additives/spray now... as I'm saving that for use with the 12clones. But I did change my classical music CD (Mozart) with the music CD that came with the Sonic Bloom... wow... trippy music... really trippy music... insects making sounds... whistles... harps... nature... water falling... etc.

LOL!!! I like the music 4 the plants thing... :)

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

10-25-2005, 06:15 PM

That sonic boom thing is intriguing... I mean plants do grow nicely outside and all those natural sounds ARE present. Very interesting indeed.. be sure to update us.. and note any differences from the plants that are farther away from the system... It'd be interesting to know how much it helps

turtle420

10-26-2005, 02:22 AM

Here's a pic of the girls on the night of day 13... :)

Good night,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

10-26-2005, 11:11 AM

Morning Rasta :thumbsup:

Here's a pic of one of the girls... the tallest.

Hey Rasta... when should I snip (cut) the bottom set of leaves? I'm counting on you to tell me when the time is right... I, trully, have no idea when to do it. I saw that you did it on your thread, and you have those super nice "little bushes".

Anyways, I checked the temp this morning... 87.6F.... that's ok. I checked the MAX and it was 90.2F.... Yeah! Doing good... doing good.

Every time I water them, I change their position.... so they don't bend all the way towards the light in a certain way. I change the pot's position (left-right) and I turn the pot, so the plants get the light from a slightly different angle.

I'll log on in a little while :D

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

10-26-2005, 10:12 PM

I added two tweeters per speaker... Reason being, that the Sonic Bloom product asks you to put in MAX the 'trebel' setting on your stereo... Well, because my radio was a $35 deal... it doesn't have a 'trebel' or 'bass' setting. So, I bought two sets of car stereo tweeters... $5 each. I then spliced the speaker cables and added the two tweeters per speaker...

Now you definitely hear more crickets, animals, whistles, winds, birds singing, etc.

I want to copy the Sonic Bloom CD and hear it in my car... it's pretty relaxing... nice melodies. Sonic Bloom says that you're "serenading your plants"... as in giving them a serenade. ;) that's nice. I mean, they are girls afterall...

Plant growth is getting pretty interesting. Apparently, because of the surplus of light they're getting, they don't see the need to grow vertical much. They've stayed more or less at their same height pre-400W MH. But they're just throwing all the new nodes and growth very close to each other... amazing!

And the little plant... the one that's behind all the others for, like, 14 days, is already showing second growth, and that thing doesn't have 1/4 inch in height! I don't know if this is normal... but I'm just excited seeing this all for the first time in my life :D

Laters,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

10-26-2005, 10:35 PM

You don't even want to think about snipping leaves until you have decently long secondary branches (1/2") but I don't reccomend it I'm not that experienced and was just messing around and can't say that I'll be doing it with my next grow... you say you have secondary growth?? You are talking about the little leaves that protrude from inbetween the main stalk and nodes right? If so then good job you're off to a good start :rasta: be sure to keep a steady temp and don't fool around with them too much.. growth rate is really going to pick up in the next few days.. Just keep them alive :)

RastaKaze

10-26-2005, 10:38 PM

Are they're leaves visibly fluttering from air movement? Stems are looking a little weak for 2 weeks..

turtle420

10-26-2005, 10:44 PM

you say you have secondary growth?? You are talking about the little leaves that protrude from inbetween the main stalk and nodes right?

Yeah... those little ones... I'm going to try and swing by Radio Shack tomorrow and get one of the little microscopes... Get some pictures of these developments... :)

As to keeping them alive... heck! They're doing great on their own...

I still water them like 3-4 times a day, 1tbsp each plant...

I've got my new reflector... so now I can modify it and finish off the cabinet for good. It's kind of sad that I've got to drill holes into the cabinet... it's so well finished and built... oh, well... it's for a better purpose...

Tomorrow, I'll try to do the following:
-Reflector installation
-fart fans installation (2 inside)
-ballast cooling box build + fart fan (to keep the ballast cool)
-tower fan stand
-fan with fresh-air intake from the window

Let's see how it goes...

Hey Rasta, I posted over @ hydro forum regarding the nute doubts we have. Here's the link:
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=413919#post413919
I hope people reply with good ideas :thumbsup:

Rasta, you ain't going to do the snipping? Just asking... as this is my 1st grow, I'm hoping that with pictures, people more knowledgable than me can help out with the girls. Does snipping keep them shorter? Will we be able to get enough clones with a short height?

Hmmm... nothing... we've still got time for all these questions.

Laters,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

10-26-2005, 11:01 PM

One question.. reflector: Metal or plastic?

turtle420

10-26-2005, 11:06 PM

One question.. reflector: Metal or plastic?

Metal. It's nice thick metal sheets, bent/folded, and powder coated white. I think it's a pretty good piece of equipment. Inside the reflector, there's this reflective metal (aluminum?) with the random dimpled surface. One bulb socket is at one end, the other at the other end. It has the lower glass plate installed, and the air fittings with the 50 CFM fart fan blowing through.

I know you advised me against the reflector, but I'm telling you, I've got the plants just about 1" away from the glass plate of the reflector...

Why do you ask? Ideas? Suggestions? Questions?

turtle420

10-26-2005, 11:10 PM

Are they're leaves visibly fluttering from air movement? Stems are looking a little weak for 2 weeks..

Ooops... sorry, I hadn't seen this reply...

Anyways, yes, they're fluttering. But not too hard. I've had a difficult time with the fluttering thing and the plants. Sometimes it's overdone and I find one of them almost bent over (fighting for its 'rightness'). Right now, I've got a 10" fan blowing right across the surface of the pots, and yes, the plants are moving back and forth lightly.

I rotate the pots... so sometimes two plants are closer to the fan... and sometimes the other two are closer...

What do you think? Thin stems? Hmmm... :(

turtle420

10-28-2005, 03:36 PM

Captain's Log, star date unknown... too stoned...

Plants seem to be spurring new growth fast. The 'crippled' one, as outlined by Dr. RastaKaze, has produced some duplicate growth on top. I don't know if this is because of its physical 'deformities' or because of some deeply encoded RNA sequence that enables survival strategies... Picture is attached below.

Sonic Bloom system was applied, in spray form, late in Day 14. The Sonic Bloom CD, plus high-pitched acoustic reproduction electromechanic systems (tweeters) have been "serenading" the plants for over 48 hours. I must admit, that such recopilation of tones and pulses... such, music, has helped me be more relaxed. I now enjoy more sitting @ my computer and writting this useless log...

I must concur with Dr. Kaze's observations, in that plant growth/change in these days will be amazing. I'm already watching as the tiny THC making machines develop into a more complex and impressive organism.

This. Is. Amazing.

As per the suggestions of the Kuerinthian Stonehood Ambassador, I've been applying water mist to the little ones... I've diluted in the water a diminutive amount of a 'wonder' product the Earthlings are fond of... something called "SUPERthrive". It does seem to work, and it does have great reviews written for its approval... but that company/entity definitely needs a Graphics Designer to re-do their label... Our on-board supercomputers had to crack 13.4 trillion PetaFlops for over 7 minutes before de-cyphering the label: It was English language after all...

I'll try and get some work done, then I'll re-log and update...

Captain turtle off...

RastaKaze

10-28-2005, 05:56 PM

Awsome! They're stems wouldn't be as stretched had you started them under the MH but otherwise it looks like they are finally becoming "plants." At this point it's pretty hard to kill them and they're gonna start growing much faster. #1 Is looking a little droopy.. she's gonna be ready for nutes very soon :)

Joel

10-28-2005, 10:36 PM

Hey turtle.

Found your logg, never would have found because I am rarely posting in Strains & Seeds and the odd name you decided to name your logg haha.

Looking good, pic1 looks like it needs nutes very soon as rasta said. Although rasta, I cannot call this beautiful 'THC Making Machine' a she quite yet.

Very nicely put by the way turtle. :)

turtle420

10-29-2005, 05:35 PM

Hey Rasta, Joel,

What should I feed these mothers? As you guys said (that I didn't know), they'll be ready for nutes soon...

Well, what do I feed them? Do I get a bag of plain nutes? Again, these are mothers... no need to have them super duper nuted... I guess.

Thanks,

-turtle420 :cool:

Joel

10-29-2005, 05:47 PM

Turtle, I would recommend giving your plant in picture 1 a blast of 5-1-1.

As they quickly react to that ammount of food and you will get nice and healthy green leafs as you can see the ammount nitrogen used is alot more then P-K.

turtle420

10-29-2005, 07:09 PM

5-1-1

That's... something I have? I don't think so... Do I go to Home Depot and look for plant fertilizer that has 5-1-1 in the front?

Sorry dude... I'm just lost...

RastaKaze

10-29-2005, 08:27 PM

Oy idk about 5-1-1.. Hardonn liked a heavy nitrogen veg.. I believe 9skis began feeding with high nitrogen mexican bat shit (10-2-0) tea 3 tsp. to the liter on day 20 or so... If you can't get that you can find fish shit with a similar npk to what Joel reccomended...

Joel

10-30-2005, 03:28 AM

I measured 5-1-1, sorry turtle didnt know.

You can use bat guano, Rasta I do believe bat guano is 11-1-1, it could be 10-2-0, but Im almost sure its 11-1-1, depending on the kind of bat shit ya got I guess.

Cant go wrong, they're both heavy nitroge dose's.

turtle420

10-30-2005, 03:38 PM

Five pics of the plants here...

-Nice looking plant...
-Overview of the girls
-This one I really hope is a female...
-This is 'the oldest'.
-The Shy One

turtle420

10-31-2005, 01:22 AM

I'm going to see if tomorrow I can get my hands on some bat shit... aka, Guano.

I'll let you guys know.

Bong out,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

10-31-2005, 04:03 PM

No success with the bat shit... that shit is pretty hard to find around here... apparently...

Anyways, the best I could find was a 18-4-12 fert...

Will it work?

Joel

10-31-2005, 04:05 PM

I wouldnt recommended using 18-4-12 for another week or maybe even two.

It has a huge nitrogen dosage + a phosophorus dosage, I think it may over nute the plants. If they start to droop, give them a alittle bit of it with next watering, cant help to try something new? Hell who knows you could even get a mad growth spirt out of it. Good luck

Might I recommend buying Bat guana from the net.

turtle420

10-31-2005, 04:07 PM

Might I recommend buying Bat guana from the net.

Yes you may ;)

Where do I search? eBay? Some speciality store? Any ideas/favorites?

Thanks J

turtle420

10-31-2005, 09:35 PM

Guys, question...

I was thinking...::: What would be better for my setup? 12 plants, or 15?

Recap of the system: Hydro NFT. 3 PVC pipes running downstream... 4 or 5 plants per pipe?

Space: the cabinet is 20" by 40"... I'm doing a SCRoG to the plants.
Light: 600W HPS + 400W MH.

I was originally intended on doing 12 clones... but I'm thinking... what about 15 clones? Would they choke each other? Would I get negative results? Should I go for it?

Thanks for the help :)

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

11-01-2005, 08:43 PM

Now, threads #30 to #34 on this thread:
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=424589#post424589

Tell me I'll need to control my humidity... which is an average of 76%.

Well, I don't think I'll be able to put a de-humidifier in there and make it work... as I'll have two 50 CFM fans pulling air out of the cabinet.

Soooooooo.... I'm thinking...

There's a $80 a/c unit in the Home Depot's website... for 5,000BTU. Darn morons didn't put the dimensions of the unit... that would have helped a lot.

But hey, $80... a/c... 5,000 BTUs... I could use CO2... and a dehumidifier...

Hmmm.... opinions anyone?

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

11-04-2005, 01:49 PM

A Poem, from me turtle, to you guys... It's called
Bong Waters

I once upon a time had a bong…

Which I toked and toked until I was stoned…

With great THC content in my brain,

I leaned back on my girlfriend while I blew chronic mist…

Being high eased the pain,

Just as Marley said, I have to take a lift…

As I threw my self on the couch,

My foot lightly touched something on the other side…

A split second later it was all too clear,

I kicked my bong straight with such much might…

It chattered without a fight.

Although I didn’t want to admit it

It was all too obvious…

Sounds like that…

are made by such a destruction

Without a doubt,

Your mind seals the reality of the commotion.

There’s no doubt.

There’s no bong.

I kicked my bong.

And now I’m bummed.

RastaKaze

11-04-2005, 05:39 PM

Tragic :( damn I know how i feels to buy a kick ass bong that gets you fucked like nothing else does and then break it, It's happened to all of us :o hah.. how many beans you drop on her? She looks like one of more costly ones...

BkSkillz

11-07-2005, 06:37 AM

hey wassup turtle jus thought i'd add a reply seeing as how jus read how ur threads getting lonely jus thought id show my support and say goodluck on this grow ive been over here reading as much inda lst 48 hours of these post as possible before starting my own first grow must say your threads coming in extremely insiteful especially with the help of rasta an zandor ive spent most my day reading most threads theyve made keep up da good work all of you guys and keep a eye out for my up an coming experiment in cultivation..to think not to long ago i was planning on flyen to canada and walken back over through da woods with a couple bags of what i could grow in my own closet i guess all i needed was da motivation good loken from brooklyn ill holla

turtle420

11-08-2005, 10:49 PM

Can I take clones yet?

I'd like to clone for sex when possible. :)

Thanks!

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

11-09-2005, 02:20 AM

Hey... question:::

Just after I posted, the power went out over in my house... it was probably out for 5 minutes. The plants had a dark period of probably 5-10 minutes at most.

I have no experience, but, thinking that it was such a short time, I turned ON again the 400W MH and placed everything back in its place.

Do you think that 10min dark period will affect them? Hermies? Males? She-Males? LoL!

Thanks guys,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

11-09-2005, 05:43 AM

Na, the plants won't know shit about 10 minutes, your fine.. and no, your not ready for clones quite yet.. You want to wait until you get alternating branches with 3-4 shoots :thumbsup: Peace man

turtle420

11-13-2005, 05:07 PM

Hello guys... I don't have up-to-date pics, so I'll use the ones from Day 31.

Question: The small plant, should I start giving her nutes?
She's only about 1" tall, and already her first set of leaves is wrinkled... she's so small, I don't know if I can give her nutes... ??? Ideas?

Other than that, what do you think of the girls' progress?

RastaKaze

11-15-2005, 03:39 AM

Yea they're definitely ready for a little nitrogen. Look for some mexican bat shit around 10-2-0 and I'll give you a recipe for some tea...

turtle420

11-15-2005, 01:10 PM

Thanks Rasta...

I tried looking for guano over here... to no avail. Apparently, people here have never heard of it. :( But, it's interesting, because there are some natural cave formations near... with lots of bats.... Hmmm.....

Thanks Rasta! ;)

Bonez87x

11-15-2005, 02:49 PM

turtle420

11-16-2005, 05:15 AM

Boots, Gloves, Flashlight and a Bag. Or have you already tried?

I like seeing those little plants of yours. I've always been curious on how your grow setup will handle.

:) I look forward to seeing the end results. :)

WOW!!!

Rasta! Joel!!!

Come quick!!! We've got company!!! There's another guy posting in the thread!!!

LOL!!!!!

Bonz! Thanks man... thank you very much. :)

Really helpfull to know that there are some other people here that care. I mean, not that we need constant re-enforecement or anything, but it's good to know that people actually are interested.

As to the Gloves... :D I'm going for it dude... There's no processed guano over here... So, as you said... I'm going Indiana Jones on it... :D

I'll keep you updated!

Thanks guys for the pep-talk!!!

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

11-16-2005, 05:17 AM

haha im to much of a pussy to go roaming around in a bat cave hunting for their shit lol if you wanna order online inside sun has the right bat shit ya need. if not try to find an organic supplement with similar npk.. i've heard of worm castings and bone meal together working good but im not sure.. read up :thumbsup: peace man

RastaKaze

11-16-2005, 05:21 AM

and if you are going to get bat shit from a cave... we must ensure that it has the correct contents.. hang out around their habitat. write down what they eat, what they do, etc. you're basically going to have to become a bat watcher for a day or two to really learn everything you can.. once you know what they eat and what kind of bats they are you can make a pretty good guess as to how much n, p, and k their shit will contain.. from this, we may be able to cook up a similar tea..

RastaKaze

11-16-2005, 05:24 AM

infact make your observations and post them here, ill try to get back to you with a rough-analysis to find out whether or not we can use it.. remember: diet and species. those are the two most important things. and ppppplease remember diet means what they eat on a daily basis. if you're watching them for a good hour or two before any of them eat, don't go running home the minute you see one naw on a berry. you need to find out EVERY food in their diet.. which means you really want to watch them for a day or two.. three to be completely safe, before you harvest any of their shit

turtle420

11-16-2005, 05:41 AM

Rasta, Joel, and Bonz,

Rasta,

This shit business is sounding more shitty than the intitiall shit shitty business I shitty though about.... shit.

LOL!!!

Let's see what we do.... I might go to the caves tomorrow... I just find it so funny that now I have to watch the bastard bats to see what the hell they eat... Rasta gave me a take-home-test!!! LOL!!!!

Let's see what's up with that... my lazy-ass part of me might bent over to order some guano crap from eBay... But then we wouldn't have the super-natural experimentation... Hmmmm.... LOL!!!!

Bat shit... Shit... Shittyty shit.... LOL!!!!

I'm stoneddd......

dingobaby

11-16-2005, 05:51 AM

Bats turn into Vampires, and we all know vampires eat blood. Unless you wanta cut yourself and bleed into your plants I would just keep using the bats shit.

turtle420

11-16-2005, 05:56 AM

LOL!!!

Now we've got naked women on the thread!!! Wuhuuuuu!!!!!

~runs around in circles like never having seen a naked woman~

Esoteric416

11-16-2005, 06:08 AM

turtle420

11-16-2005, 06:21 AM

Hey turtle, I have nothing to say that can help you, but I read this whole thread and I'm amazed at your tenacity. You fought tooth and nail for your ladies,and I just wanted to say that I'm deeply moved and impressed. Keep fighting the good fight, and heres hoping you soon enjoy the fruits of your labor.

Hey Esoteric!

Thanks man ;)

Send me an eMail to ineedit06 at hushmail dot com and I'll mail you a sticky icky when they're done (February?)... :)

turtle420

11-17-2005, 01:47 AM

Let's see...

Yesterday, and today.... my power company decided to play with me and my entire town a little... so they just threw the power switch to off for a while... then to ON, then quickly to off... then they very quickly changed back and forth between on and off... until they just took their lunch break and left it in the off position.

So, I took my girls out of the cabinet so they wouldn't be in the dark. And because I didn't have no power, I needed to use my resources. So, after giving the problem some serious thought, I said "fuck it!" and went ahead and did what you can see in the picture below.

I trully hope my neighborghs are tokers, because then they would see the little ones and recognize them... but if they're tokers, they wouldn't tell on me... but the girls are simply too small to be diferentiated... but then again, it's three small plants, in the middle of the yard, for no apparent good reason.

turtle420

11-18-2005, 10:36 PM

Hello guys...

What you think of my girls?
What about my new, just made, cool tube?

Can I clone yet?
What do you think of the little one?

Thanks guys!

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

11-18-2005, 10:36 PM

Just one more pic...

BkSkillz

11-18-2005, 10:43 PM

damn turtle it looks like your halfway to building a biodome or a spaceship from what i see looken good hope the ladies come into there own soon

lemonboy

11-18-2005, 10:59 PM

Yeah. Pretty amazing. Who's instructions did you use for the cooltube or did you make it up as you went along? Nice work.

turtle420

11-19-2005, 12:18 AM

Yeah. Pretty amazing. Who's instructions did you use for the cooltube or did you make it up as you went along? Nice work.

A little bit of both... thanks for the props Skillz and Lemon... :)

Now, I just wrote this up... hope you guys enjoy! :smokin:
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Hello everyone… This is my try @ a Cool Tube how-to.

I was inspired by Mellow Man, and here’s his excellent FAQ http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=38520

I’m writing this up, not because I find anything wrong with what’s out there for making a cool tube, but because more ideas are better. So, without further adoo, here it is…

1. Well boys and girls, and all in between that are still undecided, welcome! We’re going to follow me on how I built a cool tube. Pic1 you can see almost all the stuff you need. Partial list of needed materials:
w- Cool Tube (I used a Pyrex Bake-A-Round… eBay)
w- 3” diameter, schedule 40 (although I think 80 will work) PVC pipe
w- 3” PVC couplers (female-female)
w- Aluminum bar for ¼ plywood finishing
w- Dremel (although you can do everything with a handsaw and hand drill)
w- Handsaw (!)
w- Hand drill and a couple of bits (different diameters)
w- assorted tools: pliers, screwdrivers, etc.
w- Socket(s) for your bulbs
w- screws (2 for each socket, I used 4 total) + their nuts and washers

2. On Pic2 you can see the aluminum bar… You need to place the bar over the PVC coupler to determine more or less where are you going to cut it

3. Pic3 you can see the bar already cut, and marked down with black the part that will be sawed off. The bar is slightly longer than the diameter of the 3” PVC coupler… it’s probably about 4.5” or 5.5” long. The reason we’re going to cut the blacked-out parts is because you only want a flat-shaped part on top… not the entire “U”. This flat part is the one you’ll insert through the ‘top’ of your cool tube… so, the walls of the “U” will stop the bar from going all through the PVC coupler… it’ll be clear in the next few pics.

4. Pic4… sawed off parts…

5. Pic5, as you can see, I’ve more or less marked up where the U bar will trespass the PVC coupler… then, with the Dremel, I cut it. You can probably do the same with a handrill and some patience… This U-shaped part of the coupler is the bottom of the cool tube. There’s a slit on the top of the coupler… so, looking @ pic 4 and 5, you can see that if you insert the U bar it will stop where you want it.

turtle420

11-19-2005, 12:20 AM

6. Pic6 and Pic7, U bar inserted into the coupler.

7. Pic8 and Pic9… Now, these pics you’ll want to study. You can see one finished end of the cool tube. You can also see where I cut and drilled the U bar. In the finished coupler, you can see how it all fits together. You pass the U bar into the coupler, then place the bulb socket in there…. Then you screw it in place with your hardware (screws, nuts and washers). Pass the cables through the holes…

8. Pic10… finished couplers.

turtle420

11-19-2005, 12:21 AM

9. Pic11… basic layout…problems already arised… As you can see, two bulbs will not fit in there. At least not my two bulbs. I have one 600W HPS and a 400W MH. The spaces that are between the couplers and the Bake-A-Round will get a piece of PVC pipe in between. In this picture you can see that I tried to place the bulbs in a happy-medium. There are parts of the bulb that will be out of the cool tube, but those parts don’t product light. The actual parts inside the bulb that emitt light, those have glass around them. Wouldn’t make sense to cover your lumens, would it?

10. Pic12… Almost finished cool tube. As you can see in here, I placed both bulbs. It’s not finished in this pic because I didn’t have aluminzed tape… so I had to wait till the next day to buy it (no 24hour hardware stores over here!). All you need to do now is seal up the Bake-A-Round unions with the PVC pipe with your aluminized tape. You can use S-hooks to hang the cool tube… you can see the holes drilled for that between the power cables.

RastaKaze

11-19-2005, 12:33 AM

Damn, I wish I had the patience for that! You're fucking awsome turtle, have confidence... I believe your grow will be a quite succesful one, although... while your waiting on the shit, your plants are still strapped for nitrogen, which, would make a HUGE difference at this stage in growth. So, as soon as possible, try to feed 'em up... They're hungry :)

lemonboy

11-19-2005, 03:41 AM

Thanks for sharing the adaptations for the Bake-A-Round!

turtle420

11-20-2005, 07:43 PM

although... while your waiting on the shit, your plants are still strapped for nitrogen, which, would make a HUGE difference at this stage in growth. So, as soon as possible, try to feed 'em up... They're hungry :)

I ordered up some Bat guano... high in nitrogen... I think it was 10-2-0... I'll let you know when it arrives.

How do I use that stuff? Do I mix it in with the water?

Thanks Dr. Kaze!

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

11-21-2005, 02:24 AM

depending on the kind of guano you bought you'll receive pellets or a molch like substance.. either way is good though some say the molchy version isn't as rich in nutrients. anyway just measure out 3 teaspoons of your shit source (if it's pellets, then crush 'em up good to ensure correct measurement) and place the poopy in the center of a few papertowels (i always double, dont want to have a accident lol) and twist it up, making a teabag of sorts. Then, fill up a 2 liter up (with two liters ph'd distilled water) and stick your teabag in the bottle with your thumb, with some papertowel sticking out so you can pull it out when it's finished brewing. To brew, simply put it in a warm place for a day, and be sure to move the bag around a little every few hours to make sure you get everything... good luck and peace :)

turtle420

11-21-2005, 02:34 AM

Hey Rasta,

Thanks for the reply dude! BTW: What about the Rasta Fan HowTo? DUDE! Write it up! C'mon man! Get it posted! !!! It's a kick-ass idea dude!

Another thing:
I've got a question about 'foiliar feeding'.

I spray about 1 or 2 times a day my plants with water.

But, I've got the Sonic Bloom product, and Bill's Perfect Fertilizer (please see post #86, I think)... When should I use them?

Now? Can I use them throughout the entire life of the plant?
I know you have to take it easy when they're flowering, because the added water spray can help induce mold...

But now, can I use it? When? How often? Can I feed them foliar spray 1 or 2 times per day, every day? Or is this something more like once every 1 or 2 weeks?

Thanks!

turtle420

11-22-2005, 12:36 AM

Hello everyone...

Just would like to post two pics of my girls...

Today, this morning, they had about 1 - 2 inches in distance from the cool tube... I checked them about 2 hours ago... and my finger barely fits between the top of the plant and the cool tube... !!!!!!!!! They're super-growing! :D

BTW: Foliar feeding anyone... please help.

Thanks for everything,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

11-22-2005, 02:05 AM

I personally am not one for foliar feeding... after all, It dosen't take place in nature. I could see foliar feeding if you needed a quick save on an under-nuted plant, but otherwise it's not really neccesary. They do love a spritz of water every now and then though.. (i use seltzer water beacuse as it sits on the leaves it continues to fizz.. making plenty of c02 available for the plants until of course it all dries up (With fans blowing this happens very fast, so, unless your with your plants full time it's not going to make a noticable difference) but hey every little thing helps. Hah, sorry about the hold up on the tutorial, but hey... What do you expect? I'm only 16 plus I smoke... In other words: My word means shit! Lmao, jk. I share camera's with my pop's and have been having a little trouble getting a hold of it (he's in photography, der) so chances are if it does happen it's not going to be for a while. But feel free to write it up yourself, I mean, you had it down... plus I don't know If I have the patience to re-do my entire fan again. I've had to change garbage bags 4 times in the last week! lol oh and BTW your plants are really starting to look like plants... I'm so happy for you :)

Peace

turtle420

11-22-2005, 02:17 AM

Rasta,

Thanks for the foliar feeding input... you're right... it doesn't occour in nature... But, oh well... let's see what we do.

As to your Rasta Fan... I'm going to write it up (not today, but hopefully tomorrow). I'll use your pics and mine... and it will obviously be called the Rasta Fan... Anyways, you'll see the post. You add your input/changes and Zandor can copy/paste it over to the FAQs once you're happy with it.

As to you being 16... it doesn't cease to amaze me. You're on your way dude. :) You seem like a very intelligent guy... very un-like stereotypical 16-year old tokers... with no spelling ability, talking about sex, slapping bitches and ho's, and stealing weed from people... Good to see you're not in that path!!!

As to my plants... THANK YOU!!! I'm so happy for them! Thanks! If I got time tomorrow, I'll replant the little one to another pot... I need to get it higher... I'm finding it very hard to place my pots in such a way that the little one doesn't have the shadow of the big ones over it...

We're moving!!! Wuhuuuu!!!!
BTW: Can I clone yet? (I think I know the answer, but I feel like Bart and Lisa... Are we there yet? NO! Are we there yet? NO! Are we there yet? NO! Are we there yet? NO!

LOL! Thanks dude! :)

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

11-23-2005, 01:06 AM

Can I clone yet?

RastaKaze

11-23-2005, 02:50 AM

No, but I can tell you how to know when your ready... You have some secondary branches on the way, correct? This is kindof a tounge-twister to explain but, Once your secondary branches form secondary branches with 3 or 4 nodes, you're ready to cut clones. Was that clear? Anyway these are called "alternating nodes" and it's imperitive you wait for them before attempting a clone...

"talking about sex, slapping bitches and ho's, and stealing weed from people... Good to see you're not in that path!!!"

Ahhh, someone who actually understands... Yes, unfortunately, alot of kids my age are ignorant ego-maniacs :D

I'll look out for the tutorial.. don't hesitate to add/retake pics if you think it'll make it clearer for people.

Peace

Bonez87x

11-24-2005, 05:40 PM

Rasta = 16? hmm. Im only 18. He is quite educated in this field, and so are you Turtle420. I feel far behind for being a simple hobbyist.

I need to come on the forums more than just a few days a week, I see I missed a bit.
At least I get the benifit of learning.

BTW: It's Seltzer water that doesnt have those sugars in it? I kinda made the mistake and used tonic water on a plant a bit long ago and it kinda left a thin film of sticky substance on her. She grew tho, and it went away..
(I sometimes will do something stupid.)

turtle420

11-25-2005, 01:21 PM

Hey Bonez,

Thanks for the complements. I trully learned everything I know from these boards and Overgrow's FAQs.

Before these boards, I would have sworn that the best nutes for cannabis plants where Orchid nutes... I just wasn't informed at all. :p

As to the seltzer water... no idea. Sorry. Let's see if Rasta or somebody knows.

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Update...

In the pic, you can see the girls. My favorite is the little one. :) But, I really doubt I'll take any clones off her... she's just growing too slow.

The other ones, I LSTed them on Wednesday (Day 43). I tied up the base of the stem, then tied the gardening wire to an upper part of the plant (stem). Then, being carefull not to 'snap' them, I pulled the wire, and there... they're bent.

What most impressed me was that, within 2 hours of being tied, the stem was already growing upwards! In less than 120 minutes the plant took measures because of its new situation... wow...

Today, I tightened the wires a little bit. I'm trying to get them not to grow that tall... Remember, I ain't going to flower these... these are the mothers. Problem was that my planned mother cab, is 12"x12" with a height of 24". And in those 24", it has to fit the pot (aprox 6"), and the CFL fixtures on top. So, that doesn't leave that much room for the mothers. So I tied them up. hoping they fit nicely in their cabinet (yet as un-built).

Secondary growth is coming along... but DAMN! I need to wait for the secondary growth, of THAT secondary growth so I can clone... this sucks. I should have started over way back in August. :(

Laters,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

11-26-2005, 12:43 AM

turtle420

11-26-2005, 12:50 AM

I use canada dry "tonic water" never had a problem with a sticky film building up.... may be the brand you are using, check the ingredients throuroughly. Turtle, you need to think about transplanting very soon... I don't know why I didn't say anything before as this could be a huge problem... The most logical action would be to kill off the runts and transplant your two bigger plants into 3 gallon pots. Their roots are fighting for space.. this is gonna inhibit growth majorly.

Peace

Hey Rasta, good to see your post.

Here's the situation: I thought that I would be able to clone for sex before they got too big... then, once I knew the females, I would kill off the males... and just leave their roots in the pot.

Do you think that root-space crunch will inhibit them growing properly, for them being mother plants?

I can replant... I've got no problem. Let's see how good of a green thumb I have...

What size pots? 3gallon? Again, they're just mothers.

I've planned a 1'x1' with 2' height mother cab. Once I clone my 15, for the actual hydro grow, I'll put the mothers into that 1x1 cab. So, if I've got too big pots, they won't fit in the 1x1. PLUS SIDE: I still haven't built the 1x1 mother cab. What do you think? Make it bigger?

I'm just trying to stop this grow from consuming every inch of my house... stuff here and there.... cabinet in the closet... cabinet over there... LOL!

Rasta, thanks for the input... awaiting your thoughts on the matter. :)

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

11-26-2005, 01:11 AM

"I would kill off the males... and just leave their roots in the pot. "

Precisely what I was suggesting you do with the "runtier" plants you have.. The roots will simply break down and further fertlize your soil! And yes, a three gal would be best for your mother plants, they are going to endure a long life, and, well, roots don't exactly stop growing.. base your cabinet dimensions on how much space two 3-gals take up (I'm gestimating 2' by 3') + however many feet of vertical growth space you need with and work with that. Let me know how things go...

Peace
-Rasta

turtle420

11-29-2005, 01:41 AM

Hello Rasta, guys,

I've been thinking:
I want to use my current plants as mothers, for my grows. For this grow that I'm going to do, I'd like to take 15 clones.

Expecting the semi-worst case scenario, where I end up with only one female out of my four plants... Can 15 clones be taken from one plant? How big does it have to be? Should I give her 'vertical' height (as I'm LSTing her)?

I'm just wondering if 15 clones from one plant is possible...

Next thing: Cloning ETA; When the hell am I going to be able to clone?!
I mean, as Rasta said, I've got to wait for the secondary growth, of the secondary growth... so, more or less, the third growth.

Problem is, my current secondary growth sucks! I mean, they're just tiny-ass little leaves!

I've got fresh air coming in (100% sure), I've got 400W worth of MH less than 3 inches away from them... I'm watering with a mix of Brita-filtered water (still haven't hooked-up the RO filter yet)... The mix is: water, SuperTHRIVE, Schlutz Cactus Food, FulMag, and bat guano (10-2-0).

Jesus!!! They're growing so freaking slow!!! I'm going insane!

Here's my crisis: I'm expecting, since the day I can take the 1st clones to 'clone for sex', it's going to take 30 days to actually start the grow... The math is, more or less,:::
15 days, 1st clones 12/12 to 'clone for sex
then I know my females...
15 days for 2nd clones, then use them in the actual 15-clone grow.

So that gives me 30 days... and my secondary growth, as I see it, isn't nowhere near ready to get cloned... not even in 2 weeks... so, I won't be even STARTING my actual grow before January 15th!!! So, I'm harvesting for April ?!!! And smoking in May?!!?!!!! OH MY FUCKING SWEET FUCKING GOD!!!

This can't be... it just can't be! Somebody PLEASE help me out... I can't ... Oh god....

Seriously disturbed by the slow-ass space-time fabric flow through space,

-turtle420 :cool:

PS: My temps hover during the night around 80-82 Farenheit... and during the day, they're about 88F, with a peak of 90-91F.

Joel

11-29-2005, 02:38 AM

Heya turtle.

I see your in a situation.

Do you honestly have to take 15 clones? You could take near 5-10 with 2 plants and them veg them for another 3-4 weeks, and flower. ( In 2-3 weeks more of veg to get more growth )

I think you could harvest that around january / febuary.

You could harvest later down the road if you wanted to LST your clones and get even more bud, but thats not cool for ya since your gonna wait.

By the way, your plants would almost double in size once your start flowering them if ya didnt know.

BkSkillz

11-29-2005, 06:51 AM

wassup turtle..sorry to hear the grows getting you frustrated growens a hard job but u cant move a mountain over night and even if you knew how to it'd take years to learn the skillz to make that task possible...i guess what im trying to say is this being your first grow dont overexhaust yourself take every step in stride and experience...that being said hope the best for your grow...p.s. photosynthesis occurs best for these plants at 74-76 degrees maybe thats whats stunting your growth could it be something as simple as that?!lets wait to see what the elders say...

Fugitive

11-29-2005, 03:47 PM

turtle420

11-29-2005, 06:35 PM

Hi turtle.. Im gonna be a complete noob and suggest that you feed it tap water :confused: just leave it in an open container for a few hours before giving it to the plants.. and don't hold back on the pictures ;)

Fugitive...

I'll take your advice. I'm going to take the wierd plant and feed her plain, filtered (Brita) and left-sitting-for-24-hours tap water... let's see what happens.

I'll post pics later today, then more to come as the updates get around.

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Joel,
Thanks for the input my friend. :)
As to the 15 clones, well... I just wanted to get as much bud as possible... so I thought up of the '15' number... any and all input is welcome. The cabinet is 20"x40"... definitely have to LST/SCRoG them. I've got a cool tube, which will have 1000W when flowering (600W HPS + 400W MH). So, I think that for my 20x40, 1000W is pretty good... if not super good.

Then I thought, 15 clones... at least 1 ounce per plant... 15 ounces... :) = turtle happy. Happy happy turtle. :D

Please, input if you will.

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What's up BkSkillz!
Thanks for your reply dude...

Your input really helped. This quote calmed me down:
this being your first grow dont overexhaust yourself take every step in stride and experience...

True, true.

More updates to come in a while guys! :)

Thanks for everything all,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

11-30-2005, 06:29 PM

Quick Update of Day 50...

Couple of picks. Secondary growth, at least in my eyes, is picking up.

Small plant growing... but slowly.

They've been LSTed... and they seem quite happy.

Comments welcomed.

Laters,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

12-01-2005, 03:40 AM

Ohl yeah things are finally gonna speed up! You have the secondaries, now they're going to start growing. If you pay close attention to the growth pattern of cannabis you'll notice the longest accomplishment is formation of the actual plant parts themselves.. once they are "established" (as I like to say) growth begins at a much faster rate. This applies to branches, secondaries, even individual leaves themselves... Looking good!!! Keep it up...

Peace :pimp:

turtle420

12-03-2005, 03:43 PM

Hello,

Out-of-the-blue question:

How long do you wait before restarting your ballast... if you happen to shut it off for some wierd unexplainable occourence?

Some fluxiations in The Matrix caused my ballast's power strip to be clicked to off... and I tried turning it back to ON, but the bulb wouldn't light up.
So I turned off power and I find my self in the process of waiting some 30 minutes to try and turn it ON back again.

That's it. Random question.

BTW: My new electricity bill arrived... it came around 50% higher... !!!

turtle420

12-05-2005, 08:21 PM

Here are a pic of the girls...

Question: The yellowing leaves on the first photo... that's normal, right?

Should I worry? I see them healthy and happy. Thanks for the input guys!

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

12-06-2005, 01:25 PM

Hello turtle,

Hope you're doing good. :) Always good to see myself reading my posts. ;)

Anyways turtle, I had a quick question: Why do your plants have secondary growth 'alternately'? I mean, they have the secondary growth, but it goes like this: left side, right side, left side, right side....

For every node in the plant, there's only one secondary growth growing... instead of two at each side.

Ideas?! I'll wait for you to think about it during the day, and then post the reply here... then I'll re-read my post to find the answer! PERFECT!

[BTW: It's getting lonely in here guys :( ]

RastaKaze

12-07-2005, 08:55 PM

lol, awwww I'm so sorry been busy, you know how looking after the garden is :). God damnit am I like the only one who's actually interested in this shit? Anyway no worries about the wierd alternating nodes, it's just a deformity, the only thing you can do is keep her growin... Updates? :)

turtle420

12-08-2005, 12:24 AM

Updates...

Well, I ran them with the lights ON until 11am today... instead of shutting them OFF at 1am... This I did, to try and offset the high temperatures I was seeing during the afternoon.
So I re-scheduled the 6 hours of darkness (they're on 18/6) during the hottest part of the day - the afternoon. So, @ about 6pm today (yeah, I know, 7 hours... I'm working on it...) they had their morning.
18/6 follows as usual.

Temperatures during the afternoon? 85F... :) As good as it'll get.

I'll get a couple of pics uploaded... I'm just too stoned and chillin' right now to go to the other computer... When I opened the box, I watered them... and saw that I should re-LST them a little bit more. Just the daily updates on their training.

Secondary growth on one of them is really picking up... I think it's a male. Just got a gut feeling. Anyway, we'll be cloning for sex ASAP... we'll know then for sure. Got to build that mother cab.

I want to get the fogger setup... thinking about that really hard... hmmmm... foggy roots.... :D :D :D

@ the top of the cabinet, I installed one 6" fart fan rated @ 90 CFMs...
and a 50 CFM one over @ the window, getting fresh air in. Inside the cabinet, I've got a 10" (I think) desktop fan blowing air over the tops of the plants.

The little plant decided to respond... the LSTing of the other plant, started to give her more shade than she liked... sooooo... She's growing! Fighting with her bigger sisters (or the bully big brother... :( )

Pics to follow soon! :)

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

12-08-2005, 01:48 AM

Pics... as promised...

What do you think of the secondary growth?
What about the alternating nodes?
Overall?

turtle420

12-08-2005, 02:20 AM

Hello Rasta,

Hey dude, are these pre-flowers?

THANKS!

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

12-08-2005, 03:21 AM

Looking good, looking good... No pre-flowers yet, I'd say your still a month off or so. When people say sex shows in the second month, that's under the impression you are armed with nothing less than the best in ventalation, lighting, and nutrients. Most probably, these plants will be alive for 4 months before any of them start showing sex, but hey that's all part of growing. Certainly nothing to worry about.. some of us just have to wait longer then others :( But have faith, keep them alive, and one day, you will be enjoying the fruits of your labor :)

Peace

Bonez87x

12-08-2005, 03:17 PM

I have those lil guys on my plant. it took like 4 weeks for them to shoot one or two of those white guys out
The image is kinda hard to see, but its right where my middle finger is. (I have a ****y camera.

your plants are steadily rising into green healthy mothers. :)

Im learning quite a bit from what your doing. :)

BukDatAss

12-08-2005, 06:39 PM

:thumbsup: Turtle my gamertag on halo is the same "BukDatAss" add me to ur friends list

mand

12-08-2005, 07:54 PM

Hello Turtle :) This is where you are growing, I had no idea :o I really must venture off the indoor growing section a little more ;)

I've had a quick read through and it's all a bit to technical for me :o but it looks like you're doing a great job, I'll have a better read when I can ;)

love mand xxx :)

turtle420

12-09-2005, 11:47 AM

Rasta,
Thanks for the replies dude. I'll keep this updated.

Bonez,
Thanks for the pic. Lets see when those freaking pre-flowers show on my girls.

BukDatAss,
I'll send you the invite ASAP... then, we'll woop some ass to the noobs. :D

Mand,
Thanks for visiting and posting!!! Yeah, so this is my little 1st experiment. Lets hope my plants are as healthy as your desirable, un-complicated grows!

<+<+<+<+<+
Wuhuuuu!!! I've got replies! Rasta and Me aren't the only ones !!! :D

More updates with pics a little later,

-turtle420 :cool:

BkSkillz

12-10-2005, 09:06 AM

hey

BkSkillz

12-10-2005, 09:07 AM

hey turtle waz good my dude glad to see your grows taken off the patience comen in handy aint it.. now i gotta practice what i preach with my grow..is it me or do other people invision an english dominatrix with a glass of brandy in one hand and a bottle of superthrive in the other when they think of mand?...first step to recovery is admiting you have a problem...what problem?

Bonez87x

12-10-2005, 03:35 PM

^-It might be just you. lol; Actually I see it too.

So you both also play Halo online? interesting :)

Plants are gonna look hell-a-lot better then mine.
Cant wait till I get out of rent and into the other house next year, so I can start doing somthing simular to this.

amstron

12-11-2005, 03:02 PM

i tell you turtle your having the nicest first grow Ive ever seen. How do you know so much for a newbie

turtle420

12-11-2005, 11:41 PM

i tell you turtle your having the nicest first grow Ive ever seen. How do you know so much for a newbie

LOL!!!

Thanks dude... As to what I know, it's all from the net.

I would say, 60% from Overgrow.com's FAQs
and the other 40% from these boards and threads.
No books.

I'm constantly learning. By no means, do I beleive I know a lot. I'm constantly amazed by the experience and knowledge of the other experienced growers in these boards. I hope I can get to that some day.

As to my 'nice first grow'... I was thinking that yes, although I've been bitching a lot about them not 'growing fast enough', on the other hand, they're growing supperbly.

No problems. No falling leaves. No wierd spots. I like my girls. They're being very good.

I'll post pics later today... right now, I'm running out the door.

Thanks everybody, I always love to read your input/suggestions and comments.

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

12-12-2005, 01:03 AM

Hello friends,

I'm uploading one pic, a general view of the girls.

They're doing really good. I hope I can clone soon. Very soon.

Some leaves are showing their outermost tips, um, burned(?). They're brown color, dry, and crunchy. Just the tips. Not a lot. Are the leaves getting burned? Maybe... I didn't re-tighten the LST wires for a couple of days...

Other than that issue, everything is going fine.
I need to build my mother room, and a carbon filter. And the base for the cabinet.

Till soon,

-turtle420 :cool:

Harvesthetic

12-12-2005, 01:13 AM

Lookin' fresh and curly there though turtle. Maybe the lamp is a liiittle too close, but don't know for sure.
Nice log, nice progress :p keep it up :thumbsup:
ow yeah, the overgrow site and this one are verrrry helpful love to absorb the info so i can treat my girls better :) spread yours!

turtle420

12-12-2005, 01:56 PM

is it me or do other people invision an english dominatrix with a glass of brandy in one hand and a bottle of superthrive in the other when they think of mand?

I don't know.

I envision Mand as a very nice English lady, that has lots of her home grown buds. Once in a while she goes to the back of her property, to a small shack in the British country-side. There, she grabs the SuperTHRIVE and works her magic.

If I'm ever over by England, I'll be trying to contact Mand. Have a good bowl of weed, and a calm visit to the history of that great country.

BTW: It's probably Vodka, not brandy. I think.

LOL! Thanks for the input BkSkillz!

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

12-14-2005, 12:15 AM

Hello people....

Plants are growing great. Secondary growth is really picking up. There are some long ones now, with a couple of sets of leaves. !!! We can clone soon!!! :D

Here are two pictures. The first one, is the setup, as its been. The second one, is the setup after I lowered the plants about 6 or 8 inches. It was just getting too hard to give light to all of them.

Although they were receiving kick-ass lumens, other parts of the plants where suffering. What do you think? Cool?

Thanks,

-turtle420 :cool:

Bonez87x

12-14-2005, 06:12 AM

The lowering should help. Want to give 'rotating your plants 90* every day' a try? I dont see any harm in this action, if anything, Benifit.

Im a lil more stoned then I wish right now; lemme re-read, re-examine, your last post and image tomorrow when I wake up. lol. :o

Bonez87x

12-14-2005, 03:12 PM

Now that Im fresh, I dont think turning will help much. lol.

i bought a nice eighter nugg last night, and it felt good. sorry about that. lol

they look like lovely little soon-to-be mothers; also looks like they're craving a story ;) you should read to them :)

mand

12-14-2005, 07:57 PM

Hello Turtle :) well love you certainly have done you're homework ;)
A very impressive grow by any standards neither mind a first grow :)

Hmmm how close did you invisage me :) ................... Well I try to be nice and I do try to be a lady but sometimes I kinda fail a little bit ;)
I was born and raised in England but I am of mixed blood, my Mum was Scottish and my was Dad English so when I watched the film "Braveheart" I was "rooting" for Mel ;)

I live on the edge of town, so I've got the best of both worlds really, plenty of countyside just at the bottom of the Lane ;)
Oh I don't think I've ever put a pic of the outside of the growroom on here, tell you what as soon as my son gets back from France with my camera I'll have to do a pic :)

Also if you ever do vist over here, you must defeinitely give me a shout, that would be really lovely :)

Oh yes and you were 100% right with the vodka ;)

love mand xxx :)

BkSkillz

12-15-2005, 12:56 AM

well you raised them right all i have to say is looken real good i'd pick those girls up ata bar anytime would kinda suck if they ended up having ballz instead of pistils...oh these cold winter nights especially since turtle seems to have swept away mand right before my eyes this L's for u..i aint mad atcha though keep up da good grow...

RastaKaze

12-15-2005, 05:37 AM

bkskills what part of the city you in? oh, no shit, the bk haha.. we should chill sometime :rasta:

BkSkillz

12-15-2005, 06:48 AM

das wassup like everyone else in this city i live across da street from da trainstation...if you supplyen then im flyen...holla

mand

12-15-2005, 10:42 AM

Hello BkSkillz :) You're not the first to see a dominatrix hidden here ;)
I know I've mentioned it somewhere here before but I'll tell it again anyway :)
A while ago I knew this guy and we got on alright. Anyway he asked me out :eek: , so I said ok and we went out and had a nice time, however he asked me back to his place. Now I had a slight reservation but thought "oh well you only live once" :o .
Well within a very short while of being there he started to tell me of his "preferences" ;) . Apparentley he liked to be "restrained and humliated" and he proceeded to show me a part of his collection of things made out of leather and chains.
Well I really kinda "freaked" and told him to f*** off, I was out the door and gone
I've honestly not a thing against anyone who is into that sorta thing, but I fail too see the appeal of it ;)

I have to admit though it makes me smile to think of it now :)
Prehaps I should have tied him up and left him there, then rang the Police so they could have found him :eek: ;)

love mand xxx :)

Easy Roller

12-15-2005, 06:55 PM

Oh Mand though art a meek and gentle most delicate rose....
Anyway back to buisness...Turtle mi old china...those honeys are looking well! So petit yet ...so bushy...begginers luck, or just some good old TLC?

turtle420

12-18-2005, 06:03 PM

Hello friends,

The pics are from yesterday (Day 67), but today is day 68. Just clearing that up.

Um, nothing. Do you like the pictures? turtle like :)

Good day,

-turtle420 :cool:

mrabrego

12-18-2005, 10:57 PM

Nice looking plants there turtle, keep up the good work.

turtle420

12-19-2005, 11:30 AM

Dr. Rasta!,

Hello :)

Question: These pics, are they pre-flowers? The 1st one is the original pic, the 2nd one is a zoomed-in version. Are these pre-flowers?

Thanks,

-turtle420 :cool:

mand

12-20-2005, 12:04 AM

Hello Turtle :) well I can't tell what that is from the pic love :confused:

Sorry I keep looking and it but just can't quite make it out :o

love mand xxx :)

mand

12-20-2005, 12:22 AM

RastaKaze

12-20-2005, 12:29 AM

Please post again with some pics like the first one on a higher res. if you can..

BukDatAss

12-20-2005, 04:29 AM

Turtle Whats ur gamertag do you even play anymore? Man you did a lot of work! its good to see a positive outcome. Oh I wanted to know that bake-a-round tube does it fit a MH bulb????

BukDatAss

12-20-2005, 04:59 AM

OH i was repotting within 2 days and wanted to know what was a good soil mix? did you do the 50/50 perlite/peat moss?

BkSkillz

12-20-2005, 10:39 AM

wassup turtle and eryone else i just reread your guide to making a cool tube bu decided to cheat my way out anyway i can persuade you to make and send me one of those self made cool tubes for a mh light($$$)dont get to greedy im still broke as the transit system her in ny..anyways my lighting situation is TERRRIBLE im assuming i need a cool tube to run a mh or one of them mogul sockets wtf is that about??? electricity isnt my thing i was getten high those days back in highschool anyways any help appreciated and sorry for semi jacking your thread but what are friends for..and just to think how for a first time grower youve got tons of experience turtle my hats off 2 you(had to add alil ass kissing after threadjacking)..

turtle420

12-20-2005, 09:53 PM

Hello Turtle .................. again ;) Is it growing upwards from behind the leaves or is it growing downwards from the stem :confused:

It's not a lttle pod on the end of a stalk is it :( ................ I just can't tell which way around it is.
It's my age love I think I need glasses :o

love mand xxx :)

Mand,
:) Thanks for the help. I've uploaded a pic for you and Dr. Kaze to analyze. It was growing upwards.

Please post again with some pics like the first one on a higher res. if you can..

No problem. Sorry for the delay. My ISP sucks. Here's the high-res pic... 5 MegaPixels... all 1.47MB of it.

Looking at the growth more closely, I think it's only a small pod of leaves... the kind that will expand soon and grow into leaves. What do you think?

Turtle Whats ur gamertag do you even play anymore? Man you did a lot of work! its good to see a positive outcome. Oh I wanted to know that bake-a-round tube does it fit a MH bulb????

Yeah dude! I sent you a friend invite... I haven't seen you online. I'm having problems with my ISP... it sucks! But dude, I went to a Halo2 turnament the other day... uff... it was all 2v2... so me and my friend went. WOW! We kicked ass!!! But, we got eliminated against some kids that play Halo2 online 26 hours out of every 24hour day... oh well...
But imagine if we kicked ass, that the 1st game, we won 44 against 8. EIGHT!!! We really owned those guys... :D Hehehe...

As to the MH bulb, yes, it should fit. Please read my reply to BkSkillz below, I write a little more about that there. :)

OH i was repotting within 2 days and wanted to know what was a good soil mix? did you do the 50/50 perlite/peat moss?

To be perfectly honest, I don't remember exactly what my mix was. Maybe it's in the 1st or 2nd pages of this thread. I think it was typical $1 bag soild, with some ProMix... ??? I'm not sure. But I placed about a 2 inch layer of lava rocks @ the bottom, then I poured the soil on top.

wassup turtle and eryone else i just reread your guide to making a cool tube bu decided to cheat my way out anyway i can persuade you to make and send me one of those self made cool tubes for a mh light($$$)dont get to greedy im still broke as the transit system her in ny..anyways my lighting situation is TERRRIBLE im assuming i need a cool tube to run a mh or one of them mogul sockets wtf is that about??? electricity isnt my thing i was getten high those days back in highschool anyways any help appreciated and sorry for semi jacking your thread but what are friends for..and just to think how for a first time grower youve got tons of experience turtle my hats off 2 you(had to add alil ass kissing after threadjacking)..

What's up Skillz?!
The glass tube, it's written Bake-A-Round... an eBay search for "Bake a Round" will provide them for you. As to the MH inside the tube, yeah, it'll fit. At least the one that I have. I've got a 400W MH from "Solar Max". It fits perfectly... the bulb should be something like 2" in diameter, and the tube is 4" in diameter.
As to the "mogul sockets", I have no idea what those are. I got my sockets from the light system I bought. I bought a dual-ballast, 600W HPS + 400W MH. Both ballasts are inside one, um, ballast. Two sockets and two plugs. So it isn't a conversion system, I can run both bulbs at the same time.
From that system, I got the sockets. I discarded the rear "metal bases" for the ceramic sockets, then used those inside the cool tube.

As to building you one, I must say that I really beleive you'd be better off building it your self. I'd be happy to do it, but being 100% honest, I don't think I'll deliver on-time. It's just me... I'm going to pussy-foot it around, until you send me an eMail threatening me with death, then I'll get around to do it.

Again, it isn't that I don't want to, but, I think you'll be an un-happy "customer". But dude, why don't you make it your self? I'll be more than happy to help you out with everything. More detailed instructions. More pictures. Ideas. Etc. I think it'd be best if you do it your self. All you need to order outside your living area would be the Bake-A-Round. All other things you can get at your local hardware store.

Once more, I'd be more than happy to help you build it yourself. :)

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Thanks for all replies and input my dear friends,
-turtle420 :cool:

mand

12-20-2005, 11:51 PM

Hello Turtle :) well love from what I can see of it I'm pretty sure it is just a shoot growing ;)
When I first saw it I thought it was a little stem growing downwards with a pod on the end :eek:

I reckon I need my eyes testing .................... turning into Mrs.Magoo here :o

love mand xxx :)

RastaKaze

12-21-2005, 12:49 AM

Darn you got to it before me mand :D Well it's nice to know I'm not the only one reading this thread anymore, lol... So yep no worries turtle just another shoot :)

Peace
RastaKaze

BukDatAss

12-21-2005, 01:23 AM

Did I accept the invite whats ur gamertag? I have a long friends list

BkSkillz

12-21-2005, 07:41 AM

as good as your grows been goen turtle im pretty sure there gonna be some nice girls im ova here stressed out cant find my weed man and need a half o..loken good keep up the great grow

BukDatAss

12-25-2005, 01:31 AM

Turtle What kind of fan and how many CFMs is it pushing for your cool tube?

turtle420

12-25-2005, 11:36 AM

Turtle What kind of fan and how many CFMs is it pushing for your cool tube?

Hello Buk,

For my cool tube, I have a 50 CFM fart fan. It has a 2" or 2.5" outlet, then I step it up to the 4" dryer hose. Inside the cool tube, I have only one 400W MH bulb. I still haven't installed the 600W HPS. The 'run' from the fart fan to the inlet of the cool tube is very short (less than 12"). The longer your 'run', the more restriction/friction the air has... so try and get your fan as close as possible.

Of course, those restrictions/friction losses are less important if you've got a Dayton or some similar type of fan.

Something tells me I'll have to upgrade the fan when I install both bulbs. I haven't recorded temperatures (inlet/outlet) of the cool tube, but the outgoing air is warm, not 'hot'. I think that the 50CFMs won't be enough when both 400W MH and 600W HPS are in there... we'll see.

BTW: I did send you a friend invite, but I don't have you on my list. I'll re-send it. Dude, I'm sorry I don't post my gamertag, but I'm semi-paranoid with posting it here. I mean, the math would go like this:
-turtle420 grows weed.
-turtle420 is JOHN123 in xBox Live.
-Feds: Let's ask Microsoft who paid for JOHN123's subscription of xLive
-turtle420: Oh fuck!

Understand my concerns? But not to worry dude, I'll re-send the invite as long as it's necessary. I need to play a little bit more... I got my ass wooped in Zanzibar the other day.

I'll update in a little while guys.

Best Buk,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

12-26-2005, 11:10 PM

Hello people,

Here's a picture of the girls just 5 minutes ago.
They look a little tired because work was extensive today... and I just watered them. I re-tightened the LST a little bit... and everything is looking fine and dandy.

What do you think? The picture is 0.99MB... sorry for the big size, but it looks better than the lower quality one.

Input welcomed,

-turtle420 :cool:

BukDatAss

12-27-2005, 12:38 AM

Thats damn goood turtle and shit I think I should change my avatar now :confused:

RastaKaze

12-28-2005, 05:40 AM

turtle420

12-28-2005, 10:56 AM

Ok, There are three things you must think about doing in the future... #1 being a transplant, A.S.A.P. (More space = More roots = More effecient nutrient uptake = more plant growth) the second item is rather a question. What is your current nutrient plan? (Brands, N-P-K's, Feeding schedule) and #3 if they are not already in flowering (12/12) you should think about switching cycles in a few days.

Peace,
RastaKaze

Dr. Kaze,

Thanks for your response. It was getting lonely in here without you. My plants are your nieces dude.
1. TRANSPLANT: Definitely. I'm just pussy-footing it around to see if they re-plant themselves because of some holy illumination.
2. NUTRIENTS: The exact plan, I don't know. I've got a 2gallon Rubbermaid tub (used for filling up with water and placing on the fridge... it has a "spout" in its front for liquid dispensing). Inside this 2 gallons, I put Brita filtered water (I haven't hooked-up the RO+DI filter system yet). I put: SuperTHRIVE, FullMag PLUS, Schlutz Cactus Food, bat guano, and a little Dark Energy). I've got a small pump inside the 2gallon container, which I turn ON about 10 minutes before I water the girls.
I must tell you, this mix of mine, IT STINKS THE NASTIEST, MOST VOMIT-INDUCING SMELL in planet Earth. OH MY GOD!!!
3. 12/12: Dr! These are the mothers... they should stay veggie for ever... right?

So, if they're mothers, what am I waiting?
Well, I want to clone for sex soon, but I have only one plant that has good enough secondary growth for cloning. The other 2 plants have their secondary growth coming along, but it isn't "clonable" yet. Then, the little 4th plant, that one is simply growing too slow. It doesn't have alternating nodes yet, let alone secondary growth. I'm only keeping her for the safety net of having a 4th plant. If my first 3 are males, I've got that one. But if/when I find females on the other 3 big ones, that little one will get it self transplanted to the great outdoors. :) LEGALIZE IT!

What do you think Dr.?

Thanks for the reply Rasta,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

12-28-2005, 04:35 PM

Ahhh, right, I forgot your grow plan. Yes, keep the mother's veggin'... Although I think you might want to chill out on the nutes... mix up a fresh 2 gallons in your resevoir with just the superthrive and cacti juice... (5-6 drops superthrive, 6-7 drops cacti juice) I think you'll see growth pickup tons... (with a good transplant, of course) and althought it may seem a bit harsh... I think you should kill the runt. Chances are it was extremely stressed early on and will turn out to be either male of hermie.

turtle420

12-28-2005, 06:00 PM

mix up a fresh 2 gallons in your resevoir with just the superthrive and cacti juice... (5-6 drops superthrive, 6-7 drops cacti juice) I think you'll see growth pickup tons...
No bat crap? Guano! (translation: No bat guano? Crap!)

But seriously, no bat guano in the next mix?

Thanks Kaze,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

12-28-2005, 06:07 PM

turtle420

12-28-2005, 06:16 PM

Yes... they look a little worn out, perhaps nuting was just a little heavy in the beginning. Sometimes a regular flush (pure water) can work wonders for the plants, it is like a cleansing for the root system. But as they're getting quite old and are going to be mothers, I'd suggest, like I said to add still superthrive and cacti juice.. I think you'll notice a great improvement :thumbsup:
10-4 Rasta... I follow you. Next mix (tomorrow's) will be water, SuperTHRIVE and Schlutz Cactus Juice.

About 1 week ago, my nute mix bottle was completely used up. I was too lazy to do another mix, so they had Brita filtered water for 2 days straight. Maybe that helped with the flushing thing. I noticed yellowing leaves on the second day. After I re-started the nute mix, everything was fine.

Question about cloning::: Do I chop the entire secondary growth, or do I leave 2-3 nodes on top of my cut?
I need to build the mother cab before I clone, but I'll be doing that today or tomorrow (I know people! I've been saying that for about 2 months now...)

But I can't clone until I get some timers that I ordered. You see, I just bought a fogger system (thanks to Zandor injecting that idea into my brain). The fogger creates too much fog for my garden, so I need the short cycle timers.

Instead of buying the CAP Short Cycle timer Zandor and me like ($100), I bought a X10 controller (USB connect to computer) and the X10 timer modules. I'll be able to create 1 second cycles if needed with those X10 controllers.

I have to play with the fogger, but I think it'll have a 1 minute ON/50min OFF cycle for the clones. For the actual grow (yes, fog grow!!!) I guess the cycle will be something like 6ON/50OFF. Will have to play with it a little bit.

I bought a Dayton axial fan, 550 CFM. So I'm planning on building an 'air box', to install this Dayton. Then, I'll try to replace my other plant fans with this one. Don't know how that will play out. Good thing is that it consumes only 43 watts, so I can run a light dimmer switch with it so it isn't 100% all the time.

Ideas?

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

12-28-2005, 06:22 PM

Ahhh, well as Zandor is the ruler of the cloning realm, I suggest you ask all questions regarding the subject to him directly... (I don't want to point you in the wrong direction) But I beleive you make a 45 degree cut witha razor on a clean surface. The shoot should have 3-4 nodes. Then dip the cutting (quicker=better) into some cloning gel and instert it into whatever medium your using. Again, I don't know much about hydro and my cloning skills are not quite polshed. Oh Zandor, Where art thou?

turtle420

12-29-2005, 07:21 PM

Finally I've build the freaking mother cabinet... I think, I'm officially, Cannabis.com Board's laziest person.

Here's a picture of it. It's 12" wide, 24" deep, and 24" high.
I plan on installing four 43Watt CFLs (actuall wattage, I think they're 150W comparable).
I'll also install a fan (still don't know if I'll install a 50CFM fart fan, a 90CFM 6" fart fan, or... ???).
I'm waiting for the wood caulking on all the seams to dry, so I can re-apply a second hand. After that (I guess, tomorrow), I'll paint the interior white. Once the interior is dry, I'll hang Mylar inside of it. The Mylar I've got is what was left over from my 25' roll. So I don't know if I'll be able to cover everything.

Once Mylar is done, I'll Dremel out the necessary holes for the electrical cables... and a 2" hole at the bottom so I can insert the fog feed-tube.

This cabinet will be the box for my mothers, but I'll first use it to clone for sex. After I know the sex of my plants, and I remove the males, I'll then take new clones and place them inside my big cabinet and start my grow (FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). Then I'll take my mothers (or mother) and place them inside this cab. Same 18/6 light schedule. But I'll probably replant... Maybe... don't know.

What do you think?! :D

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

12-29-2005, 07:28 PM

turtle420

12-29-2005, 07:34 PM

I hope the three 42watters won't be ALL of your lighting for the mother cab... if you wanna go cfl I think your going to have the fill the top of the box with holes so the ceiling can be covered like entirely by cfl's.

More more more! Ok, I didn't think this was inadecuate.

Please Rasta, more input.

I've got a total of four (4) compact flourescents... the ones that I have are the typical bulb socket, and they're made out of four long "U" sections. Again, they consume 43 Watts, but they're comparable to a 150W incandescent.

Not enough? The problem would be really dramatic for my second grow... as right now, the mothers have a 400W MH about 8 inches away from them... so they're receiving plenty of light to be able to produce the necessary clones... but if the mothers won't be able to give me more clones with only those 4CFLs, shit... fuck.

Ideas? I'm re-loading. :)

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

12-29-2005, 09:07 PM

turtle420

12-29-2005, 10:39 PM

Ok, everything can still work out. What's the area of the top of your box? All you have to do is draw a grid according to how big the fixture/holes are going to need to be... and I'd suggest buying only 100w (the big ones) sprials and fitting as many as possible. Post back if you don't quite understand what I'm saying and I'll try to elaborate...

I follow you...
The area of the top of the box is (1'x2') = 2sq.ft.
When you say the 100w spirals, are they "real" 100Ws? I mean, do they consume 100W, so they're something like 250W incandescents?

Just for clarification: mine consume 43 Watts, but they're comparable to 150W incandescents.

Those where the biggest ones I found; I searched in WalMart, Sears, HomeDepot, etc.
I think I'm going to buy one of those super nifty grow CFLs... they're like 150W... and they come in Red and Blue... I've got the bookmark in my other computer... I'll post it in a couple of minutes.

Later Rasta,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

12-29-2005, 10:50 PM

Ok then the bulb's you have currently will work fine... but you're gonna want to load up the ceiling with as many as possible.

turtle420

12-29-2005, 10:59 PM

Ok then the bulb's you have currently will work fine... but you're gonna want to load up the ceiling with as many as possible.

I've got four right now... I can buy more... or, I can shell out the $ now for this:
http://www.ezhydrokit.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=67

@ $32, I think they're a good investment.

I guess I would buy two of them, right? One red, and the other one blue.

What do you think?

RastaKaze

12-29-2005, 11:01 PM

how many mothers in the cab again? you really want around 7,000 lumens available to each plant, and yes those $32 bulbs are great

turtle420

12-29-2005, 11:07 PM

how many mothers in the cab again? you really want around 7,000 lumens available to each plant, and yes those $32 bulbs are great

Mothers... well, as many as they appear.

This is my plan:
On POT1 we've got one plant, the biggest of them all. Then we've got the slow-growth one. She's a beauty, but simple too slow of a grower.
On POT2 we've got two plants, both very good growers, both with secondary growth well on their way.

My plans are to clone for sex from the three plants (not the little one). Kill my males (if any), and stay with my females.

BEST CASE SCENARIO: I end up with the three big plants being females. I transplant to the outdoors the little one and wish her/him luck.

WORST CASE SCENARIO: All my three plants are males. I have to wait for the little one to grow, then clone for sex that one. If this happens, I'll plant some White Russian ASAP.

REALLY WORST CASE SCENARIO: All threa are males. Then the little one is also male. So, I wait for the White Russian to grow, and we start all over.

??? :) :thumbsup:

RastaKaze

12-29-2005, 11:13 PM

Dude that runt is going to do nothing for you... I would suggest cutting it asap. One of the three will be a female, I'm not worried about that. But you really do need a transplant soon...

turtle420

12-29-2005, 11:23 PM

Dude that runt is going to do nothing for you... I would suggest cutting it asap. One of the three will be a female, I'm not worried about that. But you really do need a transplant soon...
LOL!!!
Oh, god... I know Rasta, I know... I guess it's just... I hate to see her go.

Tell you what, she'll be gone by Monday. This weekend, I'll find a place outdoors to put her (obviously, very away from my home).

As to the transplant, I'll check tomorrow the hardware stores to see the best pot for the application. I'll be looking for something with less than 12" in width, so it fits inside the cab. I know about the transplant, I'm just... well, I told you I was lazy! LOL!

Ahahaha.... I just find it funny about the runt... You trully find her a disturbance... !!! Ahahaha... Funny stuff. But not to worry, she's gone. :thumbsup:

RastaKaze

12-29-2005, 11:28 PM

LOL!!!
Oh, god... I know Rasta, I know... I guess it's just... I hate to see her go.

Tell you what, she'll be gone by Monday. This weekend, I'll find a place outdoors to put her (obviously, very away from my home).

As to the transplant, I'll check tomorrow the hardware stores to see the best pot for the application. I'll be looking for something with less than 12" in width, so it fits inside the cab. I know about the transplant, I'm just... well, I told you I was lazy! LOL!

Ahahaha.... I just find it funny about the runt... You trully find her a disturbance... !!! Ahahaha... Funny stuff. But not to worry, she's gone. :thumbsup:
Just keepin' it informative :cool: lol u lazy bum! you MUST TRANSPLANT RIGHT NOW muahahaha

RastaKaze

12-29-2005, 11:30 PM

oh cool I'm almost to 1000 posts

turtle420

12-29-2005, 11:33 PM

Just keepin' it informative :cool: lol u lazy bum! you MUST TRANSPLANT RIGHT NOW muahahaha

Hehehehe... No problem... My ass is so lazy, I've decided to transplant in stages....

Everyday, I'll be adding two or three handfulls of dirt to the pot's sorroundings... then, I'll cut the bottoms out... then, hope they grow into this new dirt...

Ha! Gotcha! Just kidding. No worries, the pots will be here tomorrow, and I'll do the transplant the day after (Saturday). Tomorrow, I just know I'll have 0 time for this.

BTW: The new nute mix (your water, SuperTHRIVE and Schlutz mix), I'll use tomorrow for the first time. Guess why I ain't using it today... I'm too lazy to do it! Oh god...

We're on track Rasta... we're good!

turtle420

12-29-2005, 11:35 PM

oh cool I'm almost to 1000 posts
Reply to this, and you're 4 to go... LOL!

RastaKaze

12-29-2005, 11:35 PM

lol i thought you were using that mix yesterday??? tisk tisk tisk :D

RastaKaze

12-29-2005, 11:36 PM

Reply to this, and you're 4 to go... LOL!
make that three :)

turtle420

12-29-2005, 11:37 PM

make that three :)

Sorry, what? Is that three? Or two?

RastaKaze

12-29-2005, 11:40 PM

I'm lost. LOL

turtle420

12-29-2005, 11:41 PM

Ok, now you've got to think up a good, thousandth post wisdom post...

Something with ooomph... Like,
Kill off runts... they ruin the party
Or some lyrics to a cool Sublime song...
Being drunk and horny does not pay!

turtle420

12-29-2005, 11:44 PM

I did this for you... you can print it out and hang it on a wall... :D

RastaKaze

12-29-2005, 11:50 PM

lol, my 1000th post is in the lounge come peep it out :cool:

Gen

12-30-2005, 04:01 AM

turtle420

12-30-2005, 10:27 AM

Turtle,

Nice grow log. Way to go. How is the fog working out for you? What fogger did you end up getting? I have a question about the cool tube. How did you drill holes in the piece of aluminum strip? Sorry to be so dumb.
Hey Gen,
Thanks for the kind words.
I still haven't used the fog, other than for personal amazement... I started it up, played BAD (by Michael Jackson), and started dancing on my kitchen floor... LOL!!! Just kidding.
But really, I still haven't used it for anything plant-related. I think that in less than 2 weeks I'll use it for the 1st set of clones.

About the cool tube, dude, ask as many questions as you need... we're always happy to help!
When you ask me how I drilled the holes... do you mean, in what positions? Or with what tool?
Tool: typical drill + Dremel
Position: The two holes for the light bulb sockets, I did the following:
-Placed the socket where I wanted it, took a mechanical pencil with about 2 inches of carbon out... then marked where the holes should go. That's it.
-The other hole, it was just one on top of the aluminum strip, so I could insert the "S"-hook.

Please let me know if this helps. I'd be more than happy to put more pictures up, and try to elaborate. Happy to know the my cool tube is of some use :)

-turtle420 :cool: