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Gen

12-31-2005, 06:58 AM

turtle420

12-31-2005, 01:40 PM

Hey turtle, I'm a girl. I love turtles! So you used the dremel tool to drill out holes. What attachment did you use, a drill bit for cutting metal? I have used the dremel to cut zinc. Which fogger did you buy? Walmart or other. When I was fogging I let the machine run during the day and then off at night. The plants I used already had roots from soil starting. They loved the fog and the roots went in all directions. Cool. I ditched the fog. Didn't want to clean the thingy. Now I'm doing biobuckets. Nothing to clean, I am so lazy. Be safe turtle.
Hello Gen,
Turtles are cool (and so are girls! lol). They're very patient, but, when needed, they can move pretty fast! Great to see more female growers :)

As to the attachment:
--- For the holes (on the aluminum), I used a drill bit and the drill
--- For cutting the 'sides' of the aluminum bar, I used the thin-cutting disk (Dremel)
--- For making the holes (on the PVC), I used the "drywall" attachment (Dremel)

Please let me know if you want/need more help and/or information. I've got a couple of extra pics of the cool tube's construction.

I bought a NutraMist fogger (yeap Garden, you read right).
QUESTION Gen::: When you ran the fogger during the day, about how much "liquid" would 'puddle' on the bottom of the fog chamber? I realize that after hours of fog, the fog will start condensing and unifying as liquid... I want to know if it's a big quantity of liquid, or is it like a small amount. Any ideas G?
As to cleaning it, the NutraMist has Teflon coated heads, so maintenance should be a no-hassle... should.

Thanks for the words Gen,
Happy New Year Friends! And Merry xMas!

-turtle420 :cool:

Garden Knowm

12-31-2005, 04:55 PM

dude.. you are awesome!!!!!!!!!!

Gen

12-31-2005, 05:56 PM

Yeah, turtles are cool. Did the nutramist cost you mucho dinero? Then you should have no problems with the fogger. I went cheapo, Walmart ultrasonic $30. It was quiet, which I liked alot. After running the fogger all day there was about 1/2 cup or less. Not alot. I had my setup in a rubbermaid, that was pretty deep. I punched a hole at the bottom of the container to drain off any liquid. The fogger used a 2 quart reservoir and I could probably run it for 3 or 4 days. I only used it for a week. For some reason the corner plants seemed to wilt faster than the others and didn't grow as fast. Needed to do more experiments.
Have you used your credit card to buy seeds? I sent cash to Amsterdam and had to send it registered mail. The guy at the counter got twitchy. I thought for sure the money was going to get stolen or I was going to get busted. Paranoia. The seed company did get the money and filled the order. I had the seeds sent to a PO box and they still haven't come. Been 13 days so far. I don't want to send another registered letter. Wondering if credit card would be less stressful.
Send those pictures! Thanks.

turtle420

12-31-2005, 10:14 PM

Did the nutramist cost you mucho dinero? Then you should have no problems with the fogger. I went cheapo, Walmart ultrasonic $30. It was quiet, which I liked alot.
Well, the NutraMist 3 costs like $400. And the NutraMist 5 costs like $470. The NutraMist 10 costs $600.
I picked the NutraMist 5 because I thought that the $70 jump in price was worth the extra capacity/performance. The jump to the NutraMist 10 was simply not the best option.
Of interest is the following: In my planned grow, the NutraMist 3 would have provided too much fog. So why did I pick the 5? Because of the small ($70) price jump, and, because of future-expansion in mind. Right now (and for a while), all I'll get is my closet cabinet. No grow rooms. No greenhouses. No garages. But when I go growing in the future, (bigger house), I already got the high-output fog system.
I plan on "throttling" the fog output of the NutraMist 5 by turning it ON and OFF and the best possible intervals. That will have to wait for experimentation to see what those intervals' values are.

It was quiet, which I liked alot. After running the fogger all day there was about 1/2 cup or less. Not alot. I had my setup in a rubbermaid, that was pretty deep. I punched a hole at the bottom of the container to drain off any liquid. The fogger used a 2 quart reservoir and I could probably run it for 3 or 4 days. I only used it for a week. For some reason the corner plants seemed to wilt faster than the others and didn't grow as fast. Needed to do more experiments.
Thanks for the inputs. The NutraMist is, as you say, quiet. Dead quiet actually. No noise. I am very pleased with this product my friends. You can see that they've actually invested quite some time in engineering this thing. Good fittings. Solid construction. Oversized components. Weather-tight connectors. Good instructions (ok, I could use a better quality copy). Everything is there to make it work. If this where eBay? I'd give it 5 stars. I would do business again. A+++
I plan on posting pictures of the system, so everyone can see what the NutraMist is. One thing that I realized, is that NutraMist doesn't provide photos of the inside of their systems... not on their websites anyway. I don't know if this is on purpose, like trying to keep their 'trade-secrets'. Because of this, I will not post pictures of specifics. I'd love to, but I respect their position. If anybody has any doubts, I suggest you go ahead and buy the system. Like I said, very well engineered. Very happy customer over here. :)

Have you used your credit card to buy seeds? I sent cash to Amsterdam and had to send it registered mail. The guy at the counter got twitchy. I thought for sure the money was going to get stolen or I was going to get busted. Paranoia. The seed company did get the money and filled the order. I had the seeds sent to a PO box and they still haven't come. Been 13 days so far. I don't want to send another registered letter. Wondering if credit card would be less stressful.
Send those pictures! Thanks.

Gen, my seed buying history is this, so far:
1st order, I used my credit card. They charged me, but it took a little over 2 months for delivery!
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=40398&highlight=white+russian
My 2nd order, I sent cash. I did the order, received a confirmation eMail, and instructions for sending payment. I simply put the money inside a piece of paper, then inside the envelope, and sent it on its way. Order arrived within 2 weeks. (That was White Widow and Bubblelicious [?]).
My 3rd order, I also sent cash. Because of mis-understandings between me and the seller, his first two letters didn't arrive. Apparently (we think), too little postage. I recently received and eMail of his saying he would re-send (for a 3rd time) my order. To be quite honest, I don't remember what the heck I ordered.
I can recommend WeedFarmer.com (2nd order) and KidKind (or KindKid, I'm unsure), he was the 3rd order.
As to the pictures, I'll do it... I'll upload in a little while... right now, I'm trully blazed...

Best to all of you,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

12-31-2005, 10:15 PM

dude.. you are awesome!!!!!!!!!!
You found the thread!!!

Let me re-check... I'm still baffled...

dude.. you are awesome!!!!!!!!!!
WOW!!!! You posted! I've got your back-up!
How was it again?

dude.. you are awesome!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Garden Knowm

12-31-2005, 10:54 PM

ahhaha
Hey, are you gonna post pics of the nutramist set up?

Are you in CA...?

I know I asked you in another thread.. I just can't find it?

turtle420

01-01-2006, 01:54 AM

ahhaha
Hey, are you gonna post pics of the nutramist set up?

Are you in CA...?

I know I asked you in another thread.. I just can't find it?
Hey gKnowm,
Yeah, I'll post pictures of the NutraMist setup. I realize this will be very valuable to other members... so not to worry, I'll post pictures, and, if asked, I'll post more specific ones.
My learning experience is your learning experience. ;)

As to CA, no man... sorry. I wish I was there because of the cannabis laws, but, on the other hand, man, I wouldn't ever leave the place where I'm from (inside the USA). It's just, gorgeous. But hey, are you from CA? If I'm ever over there, I'll snap you an eMail before I start my trip!
I'm going to give you a very nice table turtle for your home.... LOL!!!!

-turtle420 :cool:

Happy New Year Garden, Rasta, Mand, Buk, Gen, etc.!!!

Garden Knowm

01-01-2006, 04:49 AM

yes I am in CA... are you driving distance?

less than 1000 miles???

RastaKaze

01-01-2006, 04:56 AM

garden im goin' to cali for college i'll see ya in 2009 :cool:

Garden Knowm

01-01-2006, 05:10 AM

garden im goin' to cali for college i'll see ya in 2009 :cool:

haaaaahaaa

i love you

turtle420

01-01-2006, 05:40 AM

yes I am in CA... are you driving distance?
less than 1000 miles???
Nah dude, I'm plane distance. Couple of hours plane distance. But if I lived nearby, we'd get together.
Hey Garden, I can send you as many pics of the fogger setup as you want. Videos if you'd like too.

garden im goin' to cali for college i'll see ya in 2009 :cool:
Reminds me of something wise a guy said in xBox Live; There's a time and a place for everything... and it's called "College". :dance:

I'd like to post a picture of my cabinet, with dimensions. If you guys could give me suggestions as to the setup, I'd appreciate it.

I had been thinking::: My cabinet is 48" tall (4 feet). Inside dimensions are more like 45" high, and aproximantely 20" deep and 40" long (wide).
I want to do a SCRoG. The cool tube with the bulbs I can move up and down. The idea now is to put a Sterilite tub about 8" tall for the 'fog chamber'. I don't have the length x width dimensions of the tub right now, but it was the one that best fit the cabinet's base.
Will this tub be enough for the root growth?
I'd like to put some PVC pipes at the bottom of the tub, so the roots don't have "fog dead spots"... so the fog can move around more...

The next thing, I'd like to build a 2"x4" base for the cabinet... raise it like 8 or 9 inches. Under this base, I'd like to put another tub to capture the run-off fog from inside the cabinet. So, I'd be drilling a hole in the bottom's center so this water can drip down to the lower tub.
From Gen's input, it won't be too much run-off.

??? I'm lost... sorry, just had a bong hit... or two... ???

-turtle420 :cool:

Garden Knowm

01-01-2006, 05:49 AM

hey Turtle...

I think with that cool tube you should consider taking a page from zandors grows.. i would stack those tubes on top of each other. MIssionary position... and let the plants grow all around them...I am making the assumption that the tubes are so cool that the plants can touch the glass?

VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!

[email protected]

do you e-mail?

Gen

01-01-2006, 06:09 AM

Yeah turtle, Happy New Year to you. Also Garden and Zandor and everyone else who I've had the pleasure of knowing through cyberspace. You guys rock!

Turtle why would like to live in CA for the laws? Is it the medical mj? The cops will still bust your ass. I'm trying to get a medical mj card. My regular doctor refuses to prescribe this for me. She would rather have me take prozac. I'm not getting messed up with pharma drugs. There are no side effects for mj.
Be safe all my friends.

Garden Knowm

01-01-2006, 06:14 AM

There are no side effects for mj.

hmmmmm........
well there's a couple...

DOZEN

but I can't remeber them....

oh yeah.. that's ONE..

I love you

RastaKaze

01-01-2006, 06:15 AM

Gen

01-01-2006, 07:32 AM

Thank you rasta and garden. I did contact Zandor. He was the one who recommended mj card. There are websites that list docs who will prescribe in the states that have this law. My doctor was not cool and I don't think I will go back. With that said I have contacted a doc who will prescribe for the right condition. $200 cash for the appt and IF you get the card, $100 each year to renew. I'm not sure if I qualify. I don't have a serious disease. Just depression, that's all. We'll see. I'll keep you posted. I have appt on Jan 9, 2006. Root for me.
Garden, memory loss? I already have that! I have two teenage kids!!! If that does not cause memory loss and insanity I don't know what will.

turtle420

01-02-2006, 01:20 PM

Mother Cab half-way finished...

Hello friends,
I hope I can finish the mother cab today.
I have to install the 50CFM fart fan... and hang the four CFLs. Attach the multi-plug with the timer to its side.

And make the holes for air intake, and the fog feed-tube.
Also, have to go to the hardware store and find some bigger pots.

Overall, what do you think?

Thanks for the input guys,

-turtle420 :cool:

Easy Roller

01-02-2006, 04:10 PM

turtle420

01-02-2006, 04:13 PM

Looks nice
Thanks Easy Roller... I'm headed out the door right now to get some electrical supplies (for finishing the wires) and some terminals for a Dayton fan I'm about to install into the grow cabinet.

I hope I can finish everything today.

Thanks for the input! :)

-turtle420 :cool:

BukDatAss

01-02-2006, 04:29 PM

Man turtle your the Man I still cant believe this is your 1st grow :thumbsup:

Gen

01-02-2006, 10:07 PM

Turtle, what are you doing for lights? Is this a veg cabinet only?

turtle420

01-02-2006, 10:39 PM

Turtle, what are you doing for lights? Is this a veg cabinet only?

Hi Gen. I have inside 4 socket flourescents (CFLs). They're 43 Watts, and they're comparable to a 150 Watt incandescent.... This cabinet will be a mother cabinet... the bif grow room will be the veg cabinet in the future... more below.

Hello friends,
I couldn't finish all I wanted to do today because of my car. It's anti-gravity pods are leaking, so they aren't generating full force. Because of this, I had to get stuck in traffic.

I was able to wire up the CFLs inside the mother cab, and wire the 550CFM Dayton.
I couldn't do, but is pending:
A- Install Dayton to the Grow Cabinet
B- Install 90CFM 6" fart fan for the cool tube
C- Build a 2"x4" base for the Grow Cabinet (so I can fit a Sterilite tub under it)
D- Build the ballast cooling cabinet
E- Install a 50CFM fart fan inside the Mother Cabinet.
F- Make the reservoir-to-NutraMist connection plumbing

I still haven't received my X10 timers... waiting... hopefully tomorrow... waiting...

So, there you've got a picture of my mother cab, with all the CFLs turned ON. What do you think?

Thanks for visiting guys (and girls),

-turtle420 :cool:

PS: Rasta, I didn't buy the bigger pots today... but it's on the agenda... :)

Gen

01-02-2006, 11:34 PM

Garden Knowm

01-03-2006, 01:06 AM

Turtle, I have this friend....
who wants to know if that monster CFL you are using is better than using a couple 150watt (42watt) cfl's from home depot...

I'd answer his question for him... but I thought I'd give you a chance to answer....

i love you

: )

turtle420

01-03-2006, 08:07 AM

Hmm, tell me about your ballast cooling chamber. I've built a grow light from parts found at a electrical supply house. Ballast/transformer $55, extra large socket $16 and hps bulb $16. The ballast was already prewired. How far away (how long can the wire be) can the ballast be away from the socket? Some guy said 3 feet. That's not very long. Where do you put your ballast? That is one heavy sucker.
My ballast cooling chamber:
Well, my ballast has cooling fins on it's sides, top and bottom. I plan on putting some thing wood (1/8"?) on top of those fins, sealing with a little motherboard foam the seam, and hooking up the intake of a 50CFM fart fan I have... It would be a "Air Pull Through Cooling Box"... or something like that.
I haven't built it yet, but I'll post pics ASAP. :)

Turtle, I have this friend....
who wants to know if that monster CFL you are using is better than using a couple 150watt (42watt) cfl's from home depot...

I'd answer his question for him... but I thought I'd give you a chance to answer....

i love you

: )
Garden, are you pulling one of those Mr. Miyagui stunts on me?
I'm using "a couple 150watt (42watt) CFLs".... but from WalMart...
I'm lost dude... I can snap another pic of the inside of the cab if you'd like...

I wonder if this is one of Garden's teachings...

-turle420 :cool:

Joel

01-03-2006, 06:44 PM

Hey turtle, nice to see ya again man.

Since your arrival to this forum, you have done nothing but learned and gained, you have an excellent grow, not to mention all your awesome ideas with box's and all..

Will be keepn an eye on this thread, cya round.

turtle420

01-03-2006, 10:34 PM

Hello,

I was reading the thread and found a couple of things that need clearing up...

Hmm, tell me about your ballast cooling chamber. I've built a grow light from parts found at a electrical supply house. Ballast/transformer $55, extra large socket $16 and hps bulb $16. The ballast was already prewired. How far away (how long can the wire be) can the ballast be away from the socket? Some guy said 3 feet. That's not very long. Where do you put your ballast? That is one heavy sucker.
I just built the cooling chamber Gen. I'm posting picks and explanations below.

As to your question "(how long can the wire be)", there's a formula for that. Depends on the power your transmitting and the gauge of the cables... basically.
But 3 feet is a little short. Mine are more like 9 feet... I think.
I just installed my ballast on the side of my cabinet. I built it very sturdy, so I'm quite pleased to be hanging heavy and costly things off it.

hey Turtle...

I think with that cool tube you should consider taking a page from zandors grows.. i would stack those tubes on top of each other. MIssionary position... and let the plants grow all around them...I am making the assumption that the tubes are so cool that the plants can touch the glass?
Hey Garden, so good to have you posting here :) Thanks.
I wanted to clear up that I currently have only one cool tube... and I think I'll be staying with it. When I'm about to install the 600W HPS, I'll have to partially dismantle the cool tube, and re-fit everything so both bulbs fit there. I tried it before assembly, and it's a GO.

Hey turtle, nice to see ya again man.

Since your arrival to this forum, you have done nothing but learned and gained, you have an excellent grow, not to mention all your awesome ideas with box's and all..

Will be keepn an eye on this thread, cya round.
Thanks for the kind words Joel. We were missing you dude! How's the trailer coming along? How's your xMas season? Thanks for sticking around ;) :thumbsup:

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So... recap of today:
Plants went from 18/6 to 24/0 for one day... now 18/6 again. So they're about to have 24 + 18 = 42 hours of light.
I was able to:::
A- Build the base for the cabinet.
B- Build the ballast cooling box (pictures below)
C- Installation of the Dayton 550 CFM
D- Build the 90CFM 6" fart fan connection to the cool tube
E- Build the frame on the grow cabinet so I could install vertically the ballast
F- Discard the fresh air 50CFM fart fan on the window, and put the dryer hose directly there

I was unable to:::
Install the 50CFM fart fan into the mother cabinet. Not enough time.

Something interesting, grow related (not "construction" related):::
I watered my plants "correctly" for the first time, yesterday. All this time, I hadn't been doing it right. What I did WRONG was: I watered a pre-determined amount... learned from experience... just to get the plants to the next day pre-wilted.

So, I read around in these forums (where else!!!) and I read that you should::: Water the shit out of your pot, and put water ALL over the place... not just on the stems.

Duh!!! Homer Simpson over here... Anyways, we're good to go now.

Input appreciated,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

01-03-2006, 10:45 PM

If the next words outta your mouth aren't oh I'm transplanting today I'm gonna kill ya :D

BkSkillz

01-03-2006, 11:23 PM

damn turtule before ur first grow even finished and already you earned a degree in the counterculture cant wait to see how they looken so far..aiyo rasta whats good with a smokeout see your no longer from the neatherlands an now from da hood what part of da city u from?

Garden Knowm

01-04-2006, 04:50 AM

turtle.. you should write a fucking BOOK!!!

oh yeah you have already!!!

KINDNESS is your CENTER...i see KINDNESS

BukDatAss

01-04-2006, 07:04 AM

Damn Turtle I cant imagine how your 2nd grows going to look like :dance:

RastaKaze

01-04-2006, 07:08 AM

Gen

01-04-2006, 07:09 AM

I read that the ballast shouldn't be so far from the ignitor. The ignitor is rated 3 feet, 15 feet and so on. Any electricians out there?
Turtle what am I looking at in this picture? I see the fan and the walmart bag and something that looks like a radiator?????

Gen

01-04-2006, 04:25 PM

Nevermind, I got it. Fart fan.

turtle420

01-05-2006, 09:53 PM

If the next words outta your mouth aren't oh I'm transplanting today I'm gonna kill ya :D
Dude, here's my situation:
I got the new pot... it's squared, and it fills the mother cab almost perfectly. It's 24" long, and about 8 inches wide. About 8 inches tall.
I don't want to do the transplant yet because:
Let's say I shock the too much with the transplant, then my real grow is fucked.
Soooo... I was thinking to do the transplant just after I take my clones for the actual grow...
Schedule:
1- Clones for sex.
2- Clones for actual grow
3- Transplant mother plants

Dude, I know, I know! You're going to kill me... but what do you think about the shock thing? They're mothers anyway... ???

On another note Rasta, my X10 timers arrived... well, half of the order anyway. So, I hope that if the entire order is complete by tomorrow, I'll do my cloning for sex the day after.
I was looking at the videos tCreator so kindly uploaded, and I heard one guy say that to clone for sex you should put them into an 8/16 light schedule... 8 light, 16 dark. Straight off the bat. As soon as you cut them. What do you think? I think I'll go for it... unless you've got more input.

I've uploaded two photos... first one is an overall shot, second one is my setup... ok, part of it. You can see in that second photo that this really is a "Closet/Cabinet Grow".

Thanks guys,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

01-05-2006, 10:04 PM

Gen,

I see that you got the ballast idea, but just in case, here's a picture for you. Hope this helps.

As to the performance, I suggest to anybody to air cool your ballasts. Mine doesn't even run warm! Really! Before, fanless it ran pretty hot (not overly hot, but hot nontheless). With the fan I had on its side, it ran warm. But with this "cooling box", wow!!! The ballast doesn't even run warm! It's cool! Super cool!

turtle420

01-05-2006, 10:10 PM

I've uploaded two photos... first one is an overall shot, second one is my setup... ok, part of it. You can see in that second photo that this really is a "Closet/Cabinet Grow".
Ooops...

Powder Puff

01-05-2006, 11:14 PM

Looking good Turtle!:)

RastaKaze

01-06-2006, 12:38 AM

Dude, here's my situation:
I got the new pot... it's squared, and it fills the mother cab almost perfectly. It's 24" long, and about 8 inches wide. About 8 inches tall.
I don't want to do the transplant yet because:
Let's say I shock the too much with the transplant, then my real grow is fucked.
Soooo... I was thinking to do the transplant just after I take my clones for the actual grow...
Schedule:
1- Clones for sex.
2- Clones for actual grow
3- Transplant mother plants

Dude, I know, I know! You're going to kill me... but what do you think about the shock thing? They're mothers anyway... ???

On another note Rasta, my X10 timers arrived... well, half of the order anyway. So, I hope that if the entire order is complete by tomorrow, I'll do my cloning for sex the day after.
I was looking at the videos tCreator so kindly uploaded, and I heard one guy say that to clone for sex you should put them into an 8/16 light schedule... 8 light, 16 dark. Straight off the bat. As soon as you cut them. What do you think? I think I'll go for it... unless you've got more input.

I've uploaded two photos... first one is an overall shot, second one is my setup... ok, part of it. You can see in that second photo that this really is a "Closet/Cabinet Grow".

Thanks guys,

-turtle420 :cool:

I'm beginning to think you are THINKING of reasons to put off your transplant... Seriously, just do it, you got soil and pots right? Take the 10 minutes to make your plants happier. Remember the key to a good transplant is to disturb the plant as little as possible, and get it into the other pot as fast as possible. Check out HD's stress-less transplanting in the FAQ's and then post pics of your newly transplanted ladies :)

RastaKaze

01-06-2006, 12:39 AM

That's right. I asked for pics. I WANT PROOF :D

Haha :rasta:

turtle420

01-06-2006, 12:50 AM

That's right. I asked for pics. I WANT PROOF :D

Haha :rasta:
I ain't getting out of this, am I?
LOL!
Ok, what about this:
Tomorrow, I'll be visiting my family. Hopefully, the entire timer order has arrived. Regardless, I'll transplant tomorrow. With pics. :)

Deal? Deal... :thumbsup:

turtle420

01-06-2006, 12:56 AM

That's right. I asked for pics. I WANT PROOF :D

Haha :rasta:
Hey dude, what do you think about the setup? The cabinet! What do you think? Like it?

RastaKaze

01-06-2006, 01:45 AM

BukDatAss

01-06-2006, 05:36 AM

Turtle how many growrooms/cabinets do you have?
Oh I got your invite cant wait to bangout :dance:

turtle420

01-06-2006, 11:24 AM

It's wonderful. I assume you close the door when your not takin' beauty shots??? I'd say lose the crate though, it's absorbing alot of light... Perhaps just lower the light if possible, otherwise try to find a reasonably reflective box to prop up your plants :thumbsup:
Yeah Dr. Kaze, I close the 1st door (the cabinet's), and then I close the actual closet sliding door.
I'm going to make a frame for the door on the cabinet, and another frame on the actuall door (ok, it isn't a door... it's just a wood panel). Anyways, when the Dayton isn't turned ON (sucking air out), the door/wood panel sags and there are light leakages... a no-no for 12/12. So nothing, I'm going to buy some 1"x2" wood and build those frames... it's going to end up super! :thumbsup:

As to the crate, yeah, I know. But I was thinking what to do, and I saw an idea in Trichome Creator's "Professional Growroom Pictures" thread... somebody (don't remember who) used a 6" PVC pipe with cuts on its side to make a base that you can move up/down. I think I'll do something like that.

Turtle how many growrooms/cabinets do you have?
Oh I got your invite cant wait to bangout :dance:
What up Buck?!! :D
I've got two cabinets... the big one (20"x40"by 48"high) is the actual growroom, and the mother room recently built (12"x24" by 24"high).
As to Halo... ohhhhhh yeaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!! This shit is going to be FUN!!!! :)

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Slight change of topic:::
I was reading over in OverGrow.com some threads... I searched for "fog" and a lot of threads came up. Shitloads of them.
So I started reading and sifting through them, and the most interesting one was a guy that used a Shira [?] fogger... everyone else was making hop-scotch setups with Walgreens humidifiers.
Problems they encountered: crust/slime on the fogger heads, malfunctioning of the heads, fog was "hot", too much noise, not enough fog, etc.
Then, what most impressed me was the Shira fogger... that fucking thing costs like $700!!! And that's the singled-head model! The 6 head model costs like $2,000 !!!! :eek:
In addition, they guy using the Shira had it break down a couple of times... that SUCKS.

I think I've got a couple of their problems nailed down:
Slime/cleaning: The NutraMist has Teflon coated heads... :) Cleaning needs to be done once a months (per manufacturer's recommendations). The Shira guy was cleaning about twice a week!
Not enough fog: I turned my system ON... trust me, plenty of "enough fog".
Malfunctioning: It can happen, but I doubt it. Like I said, the NutraMist is a very well thought out piece of engineering work.
Hot fog: Walgreens humidifiers... not the NutraMist. Cool fog...

Of interest, was that the guy had runnning a hybrid "aero" hydro setup and pumping fog into the growing chamber... but, his $700 fogger broke down a couple of times.
He did notice that the plants had major improvements with the fog turned ON. And he had some really nice, bushy and "spongy"-looking roots.

Ahhhh.... that's it... later guys,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

01-06-2006, 09:15 PM

Hello guys,

I just received my X10 timers... I'm still in need of receiving the X10 controller.

Anyways, I wanted to wire the timers for the 600W HPS and the 400W MH. I've got one timer for each... they're rated for 15Amps. I've always done my electrical stuff my self and never had any problems... but I just wanted to have input from you guys...

Ok, I'm uploading a picture of the timer and its instructions... they're readable. I want to make sure I do this right.

I'm thinking of taking a plug (3-prong) and buying some 12AWG wire (the same as the timer's). Then, connecting my 3-prong plug as usuall... ok, now my question(s)...
The white cable, neutral, ok, that's the third prong (the round one).
The black cable, that goes to which "blade" of the prong?
Then (please correct me if I'm wrong), I connect the blue cable to the cable going to the ballast's plug.
Then, the ballast's plug, has one cable that goes from itself to the "wall's 3-prong plug"... without connecting to the X10 timer...

Am I right? I'll post pictures when I actually do it... but I need to buy some materials before I do it. I need cables (12AWG and 18AWG), 2x 3-prong females, 2x 3-prong males, shrink wrap (optional).

Thanks for the input and help,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

01-07-2006, 09:46 PM

Ok, timers all all ready to go. :) Thanks Zandor for the help.

Interesting side-note: My temperatures during the "day" are lower (colder) than the temperatures during the "night".
Reason for this being that I've got my plants setup to have their 6 hours of darkness during the 11am to 5pm hours... because that's the hottest part of the day.
So, I shut them off @ about 11am, and I stop intaking "hot" air from outside. When the temperatures go down (about 4:30 - 5pm) I re-light my growroom.
Because of this, I've seen in the early morning (6am) that my temperatures go down to about 77F or maybe even 72F. During the "dark" period of my plants, the temperature might be hovering around 85F.

I realize it should be the other way around, but I just wanted to make a footnote here. I'll use this thread in the future as my refference.

Over and out,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

01-08-2006, 04:33 PM

Hello,

Bumpy question: I plan on using a RO+DI (Reverse Osmosis + De Ionized) water filter for the grow... Can I use the 3-part GH nutes and GO? Or should I add CalMag or some other product?

Thank Y O U :),

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

01-08-2006, 07:25 PM

Found this:::

When you feed your plants with RO water you need CalMag Plus to put back minerals the RO process removes but the plant still needs.

Epsom salt is to treat magnesium immobile.
Over on this link:::
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=45560&highlight=calmag+water

turtle420

01-09-2006, 12:40 PM

Hello,

I'm uploading a couple of pictures.

The first 3 I'd like you to see the yellowing leaves. I ain't going insane for them, because, overall, the plants are healthy. But, I'm getting those yellowing leaves @ the bottom.
I've been feeding them (for the last 2 waterings): Brita water, SuperTHRIVE and Schlutz Cactus Juice.

The fourth picture is a view of the best-looking growth... in my opinion.
The 5th picture if a "overall" view of the girls.

Hey Rasta, question: What do you think of taking a clone of the female (when known), then re-plant that little clone to grow it to be our new "mother plant". Then it's not going to be all bent and stuff. ???

Good day everyone,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

01-09-2006, 02:54 PM

Hello,

More questions:
I'm uploading a picture. You can see the grow cabinet there, and a couple of lines I drew.
The red line measures about 45inches... the total usable height of the box.

The green line is about 12 inches high (from the Mylared bottom). I plan on using a big Sterilite tub... about 12 inches high... I was planning on using a shorter tub, but maybe I'll run out of root space. That would suck.

Anyway, my doubts: I plan on leaving about 8 inches between the top of the tub, and the SCRoG's screen. Is this enough?

If done this way, the SCRoG would be filled more or less like the picture with the mother plants. Thus, the light would be about 12" away from the canopy.

I can still lower the light, and raise it about 5 inches.
Ideas? Thank you for your time :)

-turtle420 :cool:

Garden Knowm

01-09-2006, 04:40 PM

nice plants!!!!!
what state?

turtle420

01-09-2006, 04:51 PM

nice plants!!!!!
what state?
Arrgghhhh....
Vegetative state :p

GARDEN! Are those 8 inches enough for the SCRoG screen? About how much inches can I expect of vertical cola growth?

Thank you, May God be With You,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

01-12-2006, 09:51 PM

Hello... got all of my timers today!!! WuuuhuuuuUUUU!!!!
I'm planning on cloning for sex tomorrow, or at most, on Saturday. Rasta! Yes, I'll transplant on Saturday at most... :)

QUESTION: I was thinking... if I'm going to have tiny ass clones... and I'm going to 12/12 them to determine sex,.... what do you say if I let them live after I find out their sex... Why? Well, I was thinking that the small-ass female buds will get pollinated by the small-balls male sacks and make me a couple of seeds.

Ideas? Will it work? Yes? No? Only getting out 3.2 seeds? Input, please :)

May The Lord Bless You All,

-turtle420 :cool:

Garden Knowm

01-13-2006, 01:09 AM

Hey turtle, I must confess I did not read everything..

question..
why do you havethe plants so high.. if you have any concern about vertical space, lower your plants NOW.. MAke life easy on yourself : )

As you know, your plants are going to double in size (at least) when you 12/12. The screen will be fine if it is at the same height of your plants when you start the 12/12.

What state? c'mon?

I love you

GOD was made in the image of MAN - eckhart tolle

Make it Hempen

01-13-2006, 02:06 AM

GOD was made in the image of MAN - eckhart tolle

Oooo nice. Eckhart Tolle fuckin rocks.

Love- Kate

turtle420

01-13-2006, 05:21 AM

question..
why do you havethe plants so high.. if you have any concern about vertical space, lower your plants NOW.. MAke life easy on yourself : )

As you know, your plants are going to double in size (at least) when you 12/12. The screen will be fine if it is at the same height of your plants when you start the 12/12.
Thanks for replying gKnowm...

Here's the run-down (what do you think):
The plants you're seeing are my mother plants. I'm going to clone for sex tomorrow or Saturday... once I know, kill my males. Keep the females. Always keep the females. :thumbsup:

After that, I take clones again (I'm thinking somewhere between 4 and 8) and start my actual grow. The grow will consist of the NutraMist fog system.

QUESTION: Will 12" Sterilite tubs be enough for root growth? Dimensions? Well, 12" high and as big as they come... as long as they fit inside 20"x40".

Ideas?

What state? c'mon?
I'll eMail you tomorrow. I'm keeping my "Paranoia Levels" high for the time-being.

GOD was made in the image of MAN - eckhart tolle
I like it. I gOOgled him and I'm reading a couple of his things. Very interesting and inspiring.

A word on "God" and "the gods":
Be not impatient in delay,
but wait as one who understands,
When Spirit rises and commands,
the gods are ready to obey.

I like it. Guess who... I'll give three KitKat bars to whomever answers correctly!

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Oooo nice. Eckhart Tolle fuckin rocks.

Love- Kate
Wuhuuu! We've got visit! Welcome Kate. :)

Best wishes,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

01-14-2006, 01:41 AM

Hello girls and boys,

I'd like to give the update on the plants.
::::::

Today, I installed the X10 timers. Very very usefull things! I'd like to clear one thing up::: a couple of posts ago, I wrote that I'd be able to make ON/OFF cycles as short as 1 second with an X10 timer. I was wrong. I don't know if the limitation is software-side or hardware-side... but the shortest cycle I can do with my units is 1minute.

Other than that, I plan on buying a hole bunch of other timers to control all sorts of stuff throughout my house. Yes, they are that fun.

I setup the system to turn ON the cooling fans (90CFM cool tube + 50CFM ballast) about 2 minutes AFTER the 400W MH turns ON. The fresh air fans (Dayton 550CFM + 8" table fan) turn ON about 2 minutes BEFORE the 400W MH.

When I install the 600W HPS, I guess I'll do the same setup, but turn the HPS a couple of minutes AFTER the MH... say, 15 minutes after?

As you can see about my senseless ramblings, I'm very psyched about the X10 timers. It's very comforting to know that all timers are running at exactly the same time. You know the manual timers, where you give your self a plus/minus 20 minutes to compensate for any "global time" inconsistencies/lag. If the power goes out, the X10 controller still retains all programs (ON/OFF cycles) and the clock power... so everything will return to normal once the power comes back on.

Tomorrow, I'm going to install the 50CFM fart fan into the mother cabinet, prepare the clone's pot, cut the clones, and put them into 8/16.

QUESTION: About how long will I have to wait before they show their sex? 2 weeks?

<_-+-_><_-+-_><_-+-_>
I bought a big Sterilite tub today... it was the one that best fit the box. It's dimensions are: 12" high, 16" wide x 35" long. It has a 90 quart capacity (90/4= 22.5 gallons), or 85 Liters. I hope that's enough root growth space for 4 or 6 plants.

The more I think about the use of the NutraMist fogger setup, the more I get convinced it will probably be operating like an Ebb&Flood system. I'm guessing I'll be leaving the fogger ON for 3 minutes, then OFF for 27... two cycles per hour. During nightime, maybe 3 minutes ON, 57 OFF. ??? Ideas? Suggestions?

I need to do ASAP: Build a carbon air scrubber. 50CFM fart fan into mother cab. 2"x1" "frame" for cabinet's front wood panel (aka, the door).

I've uploaded some pictures... you can see in one of them that the plants are like SUPER MEGA taller... When I got back home, the lights were turned ON (as planned :) ). I removed the front wood panel to open my cabinet, and... HOLY SHIT! W H A T T H E F U C K ? ? ?

Apparently, during night time, the big plant decided to stretch its muscles... ripping its self free from my elaborate web of gardening cable ties... those cable ties I bought for $0.40... I'm almost sure I bought the cheapest thing Sears has ever sold in the last 5 years.

Anyways... when I saw the plants, it was like "Oh shit... now what the fuck do I do???" But I grabbed the cable ties, and with care and relaxation, got them back bent down. They're still a little sideways, but I'm sure that by tomorrow, they'll be growing up again.

I must admit that the plant, extended like 20 inches up into the air, looked gorgeous. It looked like a very healthy living organism. It would definitely make a perfect house plant. But, I'm guessing I won't see that for some time... as my mothers are tied down and my clones will be too... but I got pictures of it :D

Interesting notes on plant growth: The secondaries are growing like crazy... shooting up all over the place. When I do the transplant (shit... Rasta... dude, I don't know what to say,...) I'm guessing they'll stretch some more. I have doubts about what I'm about to do: If I cut off a couple of secondaries from my mother plant, will she grow new ones in their place? What happens to the small stub? Will I have problems down the road in getting my clone "prospects"? I guess not, as Zandor has a moFo mother plant that's like 5 or 6 years into life. ???? Sorry, stoned newb questions.

I'll post the pictures in a while... when I go to the other computer. Thanks for stopping by and reading my quasi-book. :)

-turtle420 :cool:

BkSkillz

01-14-2006, 01:51 AM

as always looken real good.. i guess this is why the turtle always beat the rabbit in that race...except that one time when the rabbit was bugs bunny..well whatever ..keep up the good grow bro..1

RastaKaze

01-14-2006, 06:45 AM

You ain't a newb anymore... you're a novice by far, a few months and you'll have learned everything you can. They'll show sex soon, don't worry about that though, you're doing great, and they're growin' like crazy, so You're obviously doing things right. Just be patient, and good things will come your way...

P.S. If there are no transplant pics tommorow I kill :D

BukDatAss

01-14-2006, 06:57 AM

:clap: :clap: nice

turtle420

01-14-2006, 05:01 PM

Bk, Rasta and Buk, Thanks for the kind words! :) Thanks :) :) :)

I'm uploading some pics.

The 1st pic is of when I opened the cabinet, and found the ones on the left growing towards the stratosphere... Pic #2 is after I re-tied them and placed them in the cabinet.

Picture 3 is what they looked like outside the cabinet, before I tied them down. In my opinion, gorgeous!

What do you think guys?

-turtle420 :cool:

BTW: Today is Day 95 of the plants, but the pics are from yesterday... thus, the "Day 94 Update" in the title.

turtle420

01-14-2006, 05:04 PM

Uy... sorry guys... uploaded the pics, but then noticed that I should had edited them... re-uploading the same pics, after editing.

Powder Puff

01-14-2006, 05:45 PM

I never got this, are you still in veg or what??

turtle420

01-14-2006, 08:45 PM

I never got this, are you still in veg or what??
Yeah... still on veg. Veggies for ever... They're mother plants. Good looking, eh?! :D :D

Thanks Puff,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

01-14-2006, 08:56 PM

They really are beautiful. You should be proud :)

turtle420

01-14-2006, 09:22 PM

They really are beautiful. You should be proud :)
Super proud! It's been slow-ass growth, and I've bitched about it quite a lot... but I'm very proud of them. You should be too Rasta! Without your help, I'm sure they wouldn't be so healthy. :)

I'm uploading a picture. I'm going to cut my clones now, to clone for sex. There are two plants that have shitloads of secondary growth, but the picture I'm uploading is from the 3rd plant. That secondary growth on that picture is the biggest growth that plant has.
QUESTION: Can I cut that tiny secondary growth to clone for sex?

Thanks friends,

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

01-14-2006, 10:57 PM

I'd say your good to go :thumbsup:

mand

01-15-2006, 12:35 AM

Hello Turtle :) Well they really are looking super love :)

Turtle, I would love to be able to post a little more here but you keep going to technical for me :o

Super looking plants Turtle, you should be very proud :)

love mand xxx :)

turtle420

01-15-2006, 04:47 AM

Hello !!! :D

I just cut three clones, and put them in my rudimentary cloner. A 6" pot with three clones. I hooked-up the NutraMist to that, and we're on our way.

I hope the clones come out fine... I sprayed them with the waxy-spray, and dipped them in the rooting hormone powder. Lights are 8/16 cycle.

NutraMist is turning ON for 1 minute every 2 hours... I don't know if I'll have to change that schedule. I used General Hydroponics' clone mix, and dumped everything into the NutraMist.

Let's wait... and wait... and wait...

I've uploaded a video of the NutraMist in action... hope you like. It's on it's lowest setting, plus, it has 0.25gallons OVER the recommended 1.75gallons... and when it's over filled, the fogger head's performance decreases. Anyways, cool video.
Sorry for the shitty "Please register" message, but my camera records in Quicktime, and I ain't able to upload a .MOV file to the boards... so, I searched for a converter and found the program... but it pasted that message all over the screen. If anybody out there has a big enough heart to send me a cracked program, I'd really appreciate it.

Anyways, everything running smoothly. I'm going straight to sleep.

Thanks for stopping by,

-turtle420 :cool:

ARGHHH!!!!! Scratch the video thing.... the fucking program doesn't want to encode in a supported format by the boards.cannabis.com.... I'll try it tomorrow. There's a picture there. Good night.

Garden Knowm

01-15-2006, 05:15 AM

NICE pic.. I don't see the video?

turtle420

01-15-2006, 05:22 AM

NICE pic.. I don't see the video?
Sent you an eMail with the video... You must have it, please check. :)

mrabrego

01-15-2006, 09:01 AM

the cds are a nice touch

J DOG 6000

01-15-2006, 12:24 PM

Are those laser disc's?Turtle

turtle420

01-15-2006, 01:14 PM

I'd say your good to go :thumbsup:
Thanks Dr. Let's see how it goes :D

Hello Turtle :) Well they really are looking super love :)

Turtle, I would love to be able to post a little more here but you keep going to technical for me :o

Super looking plants Turtle, you should be very proud :)

love mand xxx :)
Thanks Mand. It's great just to have you stopping by. I'm pretty sure your input will be very usefull. Hey Mand, I've got a little question: If I FIM/top the plant, about how long does it take until I've got two or more "little branches"? 2weeks? 3?

I want to know because when I veg the clones and bend them into the screen (SCRoG), I don't know if I should "top" them. I'm vegging only for 2 or 3 weeks... So, I don't know if I'll have enough time when I "top" them. Thanks :) :smokin:

the cds are a nice touch
Thanks man. I was really eager to get the thing running.

Are those laser disc's?Turtle
Well, um, they're regular CDs (5.75"). The pot is really small. It's 6" diameter on top (4" bottom) and about 6 inches high. It's just for cloning for sex.

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Ok, yesterday, the thing with the fog video was: I took the video with my camera, but it records it on .MOV-QuickTime format. Sooo... when I uploaded to the boards, it "isn't a supported format".

So I searched for a .MOV-->MediaPlayer converter, and found one. But after conversion, the boards didn't accept the file either. This was already late in the night... so I said fuck it. Went to sleep.

I'm more relaxed now. I'll search for the solution soon. :)

Smoking a Bowl,

-turtle420 :cool:
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turtle420

01-15-2006, 10:51 PM

Hello guys,

I just opened my mother cabinet, which I'm using for cloning...
The situation looks bad. Really really bad.

I've changed the NutraMist ON/OFF cycles... I'm running 1minuteON/9minutesOFF. Hopefully that'll do something.

I'm including a pic... so you can judge for your self.

They're all fallen over... limpy, at best. The look dry. Let's see what happens.

-turtle420 :cool:

RastaKaze

01-15-2006, 10:56 PM

Ahhhh mate you gotta keep them misted 24/7 they have no roots poor little gals have to get any moisture via foliage!

turtle420

01-15-2006, 11:04 PM

Ahhhh mate you gotta keep them misted 24/7 they have no roots poor little gals have to get any moisture via foliage!
Ok, will do that. :) Thanks Dr. Kaze!

RastaKaze

01-15-2006, 11:09 PM

No problem, just lookin' after the nephews :D :cool:

Powder Puff

01-15-2006, 11:10 PM

FINALLY!:) Now I'll get to see you flower and shit!:D

You'll probably do GREAT!:)

turtle420

01-15-2006, 11:54 PM

Ahhhh mate you gotta keep them misted 24/7 they have no roots poor little gals have to get any moisture via foliage!
Ok, should I get one of those plastic domes?

I've got the fogger running all the time ON, but, to tell you the truth, I don't think these clones are going to make it... :(

turtle420

01-15-2006, 11:55 PM

FINALLY!:) Now I'll get to see you flower and shit!:D

You'll probably do GREAT!:)
Let's see Puff... I'm having a hard time working with the clones...

RastaKaze

01-15-2006, 11:59 PM

They are going to look like crap for the first few days the trick is keeping them alive until they develope a decent root system... my suggestion... buy a dome... it will help with the moisture majorely...

turtle420

01-16-2006, 12:02 AM

my suggestion... buy a dome... it will help with the moisture majorely...
Ok, I guess it should be a clear dome, the more clear the better... right?

RastaKaze

01-16-2006, 12:06 AM

Yep :thumbsup:

turtle420

01-16-2006, 01:43 AM

Dome, version 1.0

RastaKaze

01-16-2006, 03:13 AM

that's cool, but try spraying both the plants and inside of the dome as often as you can and your good to go

mand

01-16-2006, 02:57 PM

Thanks Mand. It's great just to have you stopping by. I'm pretty sure your input will be very usefull. Hey Mand, I've got a little question: If I FIM/top the plant, about how long does it take until I've got two or more "little branches"? 2weeks? 3?

I want to know because when I veg the clones and bend them into the screen (SCRoG), I don't know if I should "top" them. I'm vegging only for 2 or 3 weeks... So, I don't know if I'll have enough time when I "top" them. Thanks :) :smokin:

-turtle420 :cool:
.

Hello Turtle :) Once you top/pinch a plant the new stems will grow very quickly.
I usually start inducing flowering about 4 -5 days after pinching and the new stems can usually be seen to start growing then.
What I keep meaning to try is to leave them a little longer after pinching and before inducing, maybe a couple of weeks but as of yet I've never done that :o

love mand xxx :)

BukDatAss

01-16-2006, 03:34 PM

yeah turtle we want Flowering LOL :D I know your going to do some damage man ;)

turtle420

01-17-2006, 03:47 AM

Hey guys, what's up?!

Just got home... clones are looking even more worst than before. :(

Anyways, NutraMist is still going 1minON/9minOFF. I now upped the fan speed of the NutraMist to 7volts. Tomorrow, I'll work on the dome... so it seals off the fog more, um, better.

My super duper X10 timer didn't turn on the 400W MH today... I don't know why... I turned it ON/OFF through my computer, but it didn't do jack shit. So I relocated the relay to another outlet, and it works. WTF? So, I just ended up connecting it to the other side of the room... everything running fine now. I'm just wondering why it quit working... it isn't like a change in the electrical wiring was done.

Interesting note::: I was looking at the breaker box of my house, and I noticed something very peculiar, and very usefull for my growing-status. The room I picked to grow, has two breakers... yeap, two circuits. One breaker is 15Amp (typical), and the other one is 20Amp. Wuhuuu!!!!

That means I can split the bulbs, fans, equipment load through two circuits instead of one. :)

What else...???

OH YEAH!!! QUESTION! Super QUESTION:::
I just read in the Indoor Growing Cannabis Book (Cervante's book, sorry to get the name wrong)... I read in the book that flourescent light DID NOT WORK FOR USE IN CLONING FOR SEX.

I paraphrased what it said, cause I don't remember it word for word, but that was it. Flourescents will not work when used for 'cloning for sex'. Why?

Please people, some input on this. Because if this is true, then I'm wasting my time right now with my "cloning for sex" thing.

I'm wondering, why doesn't it work? I mean, yeah, flourescents suck in lummens, but... isn't it the photoperiod that matters?

Very intriguied by your future answers to this question...

Thanks a million for the support and good words guys (and gals), I really appreciate it :)

-turtle420 :cool:
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RastaKaze

01-17-2006, 03:48 AM

That's bullshit. Say what they want, but I've seen people fully flower a plant with flourescents, it can be done.

turtle420

01-17-2006, 03:51 AM

That's bullshit. Say what they want, but I've seen people fully flower a plant with flourescents, it can be done.
WTF??? It took you like 3.2 seconds to read my post Rasta!?!!! LOL!

I posted, then edited for grammar reasons... and you already replied?!

LOL!!

But that's great man... thanks... that was what I was thinking... if there are people that grow the entire plant with flourescents, then, why not?

Thanks for the input Rasta :) I'll post pics of the girls tomorrow... right now, I'm going to rip the bong and hit my TempurPedic mattress... ahhhh... that thing is like sleeping on a cloud.... ahhhhh...... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

Zzz... ZZz....
ZZZZ.... ZZZ ZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZ ZZZZZ.....zzz.z.z.z.zzZZZZZ...z.zzzzzz....

mrabrego

01-17-2006, 05:11 AM

I vegged and flowered with fluorescents, with a rough setup, and my first grow to boot. I had no ph testing stuff, I used tap water that i let sit for a couple of days. It can be done

BkSkillz

01-17-2006, 05:49 AM

maybe what they meant is that after growing from a hid or mh fixture that degrading the light source to a cfl would be more difficult to flower or even longer due to the difference in lumens other then that i dont have much to add except the typical great grow and keep it up

turtle420

01-17-2006, 02:13 PM

I vegged and flowered with fluorescents, with a rough setup, and my first grow to boot. I had no ph testing stuff, I used tap water that i let sit for a couple of days. It can be done
Thanks man. Out of interest, how long did the entire grow take?
Does it take more time, or less to grow (seed --> veg --> flower) with flourescents?

Somebody, if possible, please give input.
mrabrego, thanks for the tips and for stopping by man :thumbsup:

maybe what they meant is that after growing from a hid or mh fixture that degrading the light source to a cfl would be more difficult to flower or even longer due to the difference in lumens other then that i dont have much to add except the typical great grow and keep it up
It's possible those where his lines of thought. Thanks for the "great grow" thing :) Let's see how flowering goes! :D

I'm going to go ahead and 'clone for sex' using my flourescents. Let's see what happens. After all, the hobby is about experimentation.

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I'm uploading two pics. 1st one is what I saw when I opened my cabinet this morning... something that happens once in a while... not too often, but it "slips my mind" to water them. These plants get pissed off fast! If they don't get their water, watch out!

Anyways, the 1st is before, and the 2nd one is (guess!!) after. How much time in between? ............ 61 minutes. Those plants move really, really fast. They're almost as fast as a turtle...

CLONE UPDATE: Haven't opened the box. NutraMist has been turning ON for 1min every two hours during the dark period... need to work today on: fog dome, and sealing the light leakages to the mother cab (used for clones right now).

Thanks for the help!

-turtle420 :cool:
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BukDatAss

01-17-2006, 03:16 PM

DAmn they sucked the life out of that water :glugglug: Nice grow keep up the good work :dance:

J DOG 6000

01-17-2006, 03:26 PM

How does that slip your mind!

Powder Puff

01-17-2006, 03:37 PM

lol.. Slipped your mind.. Only slips my mind when I drink!!:rolleyes:

mrabrego

01-18-2006, 01:45 AM

I've estimated that i'm running about 7000 lumens in my setup. Yet, I dont think I've taken full advantage of them. From what I've read and seen there wouldnt be much difference between vegging and flowering with fluorescents and hid lights as long as the lumens are the same. I've managed to pull it off with an incredibly inefficient setup, from what i've learned personally. If you have the bucks and space to get a hid, then get a hid, if you dont, the go with the fluorescents. You can be a little more creative with compact fluorescents. Make sure they are color adjusted as well. This is just my take on the whole argument. Oh it has taken in my estimation about 4 mos for my grow. It would problaly be a month less if not for the many mods, mistakes, and general mishaps. :stoned:

turtle420

01-18-2006, 05:19 PM

Good afternoon :) :),
pPuff, Jdog,
Sorry.... lol... yes... I reviewed the photos yesterday (since day 1) and I counted a total of 5 times it has "slipped my mind". It's just that :rasta:

I've estimated that i'm running about 7000 lumens in my setup. Yet, I dont think I've taken full advantage of them. From what I've read and seen there wouldnt be much difference between vegging and flowering with fluorescents and hid lights as long as the lumens are the same. I've managed to pull it off with an incredibly inefficient setup, from what i've learned personally. If you have the bucks and space to get a hid, then get a hid, if you dont, the go with the fluorescents. You can be a little more creative with compact fluorescents. Make sure they are color adjusted as well. This is just my take on the whole argument. Oh it has taken in my estimation about 4 mos for my grow. It would problaly be a month less if not for the many mods, mistakes, and general mishaps. :stoned:
Thanks for the input Brego. I won't get an HID because the cabinet is simply too small. I'm going to have to build some kind of cool tube... or "cool box" for the HID MH bulb.
People with experience, does a 250W MH put out a lot of heat? Or something comparable to four CFLs? Are there 100W MHs? 150W?

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Side note on the .... ??? Forgot what the hell I was writing.

Peace,

-turtle420 :cool:
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Thanks again my good friends

turtle420

01-18-2006, 11:28 PM

Hello friends,

Update on the plants: Doing great. No problems there. They've grown quite a lot recently... I'll be LSTing them a little later tonight. I'm uploading a pic that's about 2 hours old.

Update on the clones: :(, and then :(. After :( :( and :( without :( so :(. Finally, :(, so I though :(

I'm uploading a pic of the clones... or what's left of them. I think that the one most in the rear is picking up its top growth... but the other two... well... the other two are in a bad shape.

Regardless if the best one works or not, I'll have to re-do the entire thing... I need to know the sex of all my plants. So, we have to start over...

But I've got some improvements, I'd like your input on them...
I'm re-doing the "clone for sex" thing again... but I'm using the same 6" pot, with a almost-100% sealed "humidity dome". This specialized clone "dome" was obtained from a salad box. It'll work pretty good. As Dr. Kaze said, we need to try and keep the fog around the leaves.

Second improvement::: 18/6 hours of light, instead of the present 6/18 (yes, 6 light, 18 dark). After they pickup a little, we place them 12/12 or 6/18.

Third improvement needs input: Should I use the waxy spray thing on the leaves? As I'm going to have a dome over the clones, holding the fog inside and around the leaves.

Input from veteran clone-wars, Battle of SCRoG, would be greatly appreciated.

Ok guys, I'm all open to suggestions...

-turtle420 :cool:
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turtle420

01-20-2006, 02:41 PM

Today, I'll try to make the clone chamber...
With a nifty dome over the top so it holds in the fog. Let's hope it works this time.
I'm uploading a "slipped my mind" pic. It was yesterday. Sorry guys :(
But they're :thumbsup: :thumbsup: right now. So everything is :smokin:

More updates later today.

Great day everyone!,

-turtle420 :cool:
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Powder Puff

01-20-2006, 05:14 PM

It looks like everything is dying on you..! I hope it picks up!:D

Now I'll say, good luck!:)

turtle420

01-20-2006, 07:26 PM

It looks like everything is dying on you..! I hope it picks up!:D

Now I'll say, good luck!:)
Hey pPuff, how you doing? :)

Don't worry, they won't be dying. After I snapped the pic, I watered them, and I'm sure that 61 minutes later, they where fine and dandy.

The cloneS!!! I'm doing Clone Wars v2.0 later today... this time, it will work!

turtle420

01-21-2006, 05:55 AM

Well, the night is kind of slow... so I'll figured I'd do the update.

I finished off the mother cabinet. Did the air intake properly, with grills, light traps and fresh outside air.
Then did the hole for the fog feed hose. Sealed both of those up pretty good.
Did some light leak proofing on the front door panel. That's working pretty good.

Ok, as to the clones... I'm uploading two pics.
You can see just when I placed them into the cab. Then, placed the cover over them and turned ON the NutraMist fogger. The cycles presently stand at 1minON/9minOFF.

When the fogger turns OFF, the dome is fully covered with fog, as in the picture. But, after about 6 minutes, it's already clear again... apparently, the cabinet's fan sucks are through the gaps of the clone dome.

As of right now, they're looking pretty weak. All fallen over. BUT! I've got faith... I've got faith that the 5-6 minutes of fog around the roots/stems and the fog over the leaves will make them come alive.

Interesting NOTE: This time around, I did not use waxy spray for the leaves. I just used the rooting hormone.

Input greatly appreciated... :)

-turtle420 :cool:
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BTW: Mother plants are doing super. Super. Brilliant!

turtle420

01-21-2006, 03:09 PM

Freaking ISP finally lets me post pictures.... arrgrghhhhh

turtle420

01-21-2006, 07:42 PM

Hello again :)

Uploading a pic... it shows our friendly boards, plus the X10 timers interface.

You can create really intricate cycles with the program. At dark (night) time, my fresh air fans turn ON for a couple of minutes then OFF.

Nothing, thought you might like the pic.

Later,

-turtle420 :cool:

turtle420

01-22-2006, 12:30 AM

Hello guys,

This is day 2 of my second attempt at cloning.
I'm attaching a pic. You can see that two clones have clearly "stood up" already... the third one isn't pointing upwards, but it's working it.

They're making it! They're going to make it!
I'm planning on changing them 12/12 as soon as the 3rd clone pics up.

Things done differently than Clones v1.0:::
1- Only 1 43W CFL is turned ON, instead of 3
2- The clones have a "fog" dome (or humidity dome) that gives the leaves full fog coverage for about 4-5 minutes.
3- No waxy spray on the leaves
4- 18/6 light schedule, instead of the v1.0's 6/18.

Input greatly welcomed,

-turtle420 :cool:
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turtle420

01-22-2006, 01:20 AM

Well, here's a pic of the mothers.

Not much to say, other than they keep on growing.

Rasta, now I'm wondering if I really do want to re-pot them... They're kind of headed to a bonsai-state of life. ???

We'll be knowing the results of their sex in about 14 days, if everything goes according to plan. Again, males... death. Females, we keep them.

I've been playing around with the FIM technique... pretty interesting. I'm still trying to get 4-5 new shoots out of a cut... so far, the best I've gotten has been three. Interested in seen where this is going.

Powder Puff

01-22-2006, 04:10 PM

I've never done cloning, so I've got no input.. lol!:D

Hope they're female though!:D:D:D:D : )

turtle420

01-22-2006, 09:16 PM

Hello...

I just opened the mother cab, to take a look at the clones... to my surprise, they're looking superb!!!

I'm uploading two pics. They're looking so good, that I'm going to change them to 12/12 right now.

I wan't to know their sex now! :D

Powder Puff

01-22-2006, 10:36 PM

Shouldn't you wait until they have rooted? Have they rooted?:)

RastaKaze

01-22-2006, 10:42 PM

yea turtle, you want to wait one to two weeks before switching light cycles

turtle420

01-22-2006, 11:11 PM

What's up?! Puff, Rasta,,,

Well, as to the roots, common sense says that I should wait until they have rooted... but I read about this guy (don't know where) that, as soon as he cut his clones, he switched them over to 8/16... he said that although the clones won't be able to make anything productive with their lives, they'll be able to show your their flowers. Thus, enabling you to know their sex. This is for "cloning for sex" only, not for actual grows.

And I'm thinking, since the clones are doing so well, um, well, switch them over to 8/16... what do you think???

I don't think they have rooted yet, but I have no way of knowing. I sealed the small pot with the upper plastic "dome" with masking tape... to take a look at the roots, I'd have to un-do the entire thing...

:) Great to see your replies!

-turtle420 :cool:
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BkSkillz

01-22-2006, 11:25 PM

turtle420

01-23-2006, 12:00 AM

looks great second time around :::note to self..no wax sprays for cloning::: jus waiting for the next shipment of cfls 2700k to replace the 5600k bulbs i got in the main grow chamber in order to finish making my clone/seedling chamber with the blue spectrum bulbs i realy wasnt going with cloning my first time around but you make everything seem so simple i cant help myself right now my crops on day 3 of 12/12 im doing it backwards to how your doing it im sexing them now then taking 2 to 4 clones per mother and keep a perpetual harvest in that way sex then clone ..hope it works out for me and looking great as usual keep up the good grow.. :thumbsup:
Hey Bk, what's up? Thanks for posting :)

Yeah, I didn't use the waxy spray on the v2.0,::: be sure to use a "humidity" dome or something... or maybe don't use it... .what the hell, it's all about experimenting.
Yes dude, cloning from known female mothers, in my opinion, is the best idea. Too much time, energy and effort wasted the other way. But again, that's what the hobby is about... experimenting. :)

turtle420

01-23-2006, 03:27 AM

Plants will start 12/12 tomorrow @ 5am. :D :D :D

turtle420

01-23-2006, 03:45 AM

Plants will start 12/12 tomorrow @ 5am. :D :D :D
CLONES!!!

Clones will start 12/12 tomorrow @ 5am.

BukDatAss

01-23-2006, 04:19 PM

turtle420

01-23-2006, 09:08 PM

NIIIICCCCCE cant wait to see the budding on ur grow :thumbsup: but damn turtle u dissed us on the game today :mad: we still won tho it was 2 on 4 I wasnt doing to good in the begining but I did OK in the end :)
Thanks for the comments Buk...

About Halo:::

DUDE!!! I know! Man, my fucking ISP connection dropped! I was so fucking pissed... I was about to no-scope this guy over on the SeaWall... But yeah, I talked with my friend, he told me you two kicked ass... He told me you you won, 2 against 4. :) :D Niiiiceee...

Man, gotta play again. Hopefully, my internet connection will no suck in future events... :)

Powder Puff

01-23-2006, 09:17 PM

Do you also play Counter Strike? 1.6 or Source? It's all good!:D

If you do, I will kick you're ass when I get broadband.. I'm good!:)

BkSkillz

01-24-2006, 03:11 AM

cough.. cough.. fuk halo...socom runs shit!...cough.. cough..dis some good shit

turtle420

01-24-2006, 05:37 AM

Do you also play Counter Strike? 1.6 or Source? It's all good!:D

If you do, I will kick you're ass when I get broadband.. I'm good!:)
Hey Puff,

Sorry dude, I don't play Counter Strike. Never have played it, actually. I'm an xBox guy. Does it come for xBox? I kind of hate the PS2...

cough.. cough.. fuk halo...socom runs shit!...cough.. cough..dis some good shit
Socom.... Bk, I don't mean to diss you, but dude, nothing stands up to Halo2 right now... taking away computers, of course. In consoles (PS2, xBox, "GameCube"), Halo2 reigns supreme. Everything else just sucks Garden's cock (this is how you spell it gK).

To tell you more, I've got the xBox, Halo, Halo2, a 32" TV flat TV and a kick-ass 5.1 system with a 10" sub. All that for??? Halo2. Fuck every other game. Halo2. On xLive.

But hey!!! I'm not trying to piss off anybody here... just throwing my opinion into the mix. Peace out, acutally, peace IN, and let's make this "discussion" in a friendly matter.

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GROW related information:::

Just opened the Mother Cabinet (with the clones), and they're doing superb. To tell you the truth, I think they've grown since last night (last time I saw them). I hope I can know the sex ASAP. I've already got plans for the "Fog Cloner, v3.0".

I'm thinking heavily on what to do to get some seeds. I'd really like to get some seeds before I kill off my males. ???

Mothers,... um, haven't opened the cab. I'm preffering to sit down and have a nice cold-water bong hit. I'm betting the mothers are doing fine. Maybe they've grow quite a bit... Maybe they're playing around the cool-tube... ??? who knows with these weeds...

Aaahhh dude... talking about my grow with a friend today, I realized the patience this has required. I mean, as the buttwipe in The Matrix says: Ignorance is bliss.

To tell you the truth, I thought I'd be smoking my own stash by December... Aha! Ahaha Hahaha... AHHAHAA!!!! December!!!! Crazy MoFo thinking I had going on there...
110 days... around 110 days it's been since those seeds got planted... which means, around 130 days since I decided to start growing. Shit. Still no buds to show for it. But no worries, they're on their way.

I'm just going to be happy if this is a super monster grow and I over achive the 1g/W goal. Lofty... but intersting goal nontheless. I want to see super mega duper hydro-aero-foggyPONICS micro-haired roots on my girls.... :D

(((got carried away)))

Aiiiight.... that's it for now... Peace out, and stay safe... Remember to keep your "I Love You's" up-to-date with your loved ones (gK, this, I'm sure, you have covered)...

-turtle420 :cool:
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BukDatAss

01-24-2006, 06:33 AM

Nice man but dont worry I know u going to have a crazy ass grow with the flowering. Ur buds are going to look crazy because you toook so much time and effort into ur project and went the extra mile with this (YOUR 1ST GROW) Man you should be really good. I know you will yeild alot. good luck man and hopefully we can play again soon

BK-- Man halo 2 is the SSSSSHHHHHHHHIIIIIT that games been out for over 1 year and still a lot of people play it. I think you u should sell ur PS2 and get the 360LOL

Garden Knowm

01-24-2006, 09:22 AM

turtle... let them grow.... clone..... and then grow some more..

then flower.... it will save you timein the long RUN!!!!!

throw male clones in trash..

the tortouis wins the race..

love

turtle420

01-24-2006, 09:08 PM

I just opened my box to see the clones... they're looking superb!

I'm thinking of removing the "humidity dome" tomorrow... ???

Powder Puff

01-24-2006, 10:08 PM

Hey, all of you.. counter strike (PC) has been out for MANY years.. And still, it's the popularest multiplaying FPS game ever..!:) I think... lol:D

Are you playing it onlie through xBox?

turtle420

01-24-2006, 10:26 PM

Hey, all of you.. counter strike (PC) has been out for MANY years.. And still, it's the popularest multiplaying FPS game ever..!:) I think... lol:D

Are you playing it onlie through xBox?
LOL!

Well, I'm not playing C.S. on xBox... I only own Halo and Halo2... LOL!!!

But yeah, it's the shit on PC online... have you played Battlefield? The only thing that sucks, is that the servers are busy all the time... fa'argin lag!

turtle420

01-25-2006, 02:16 AM

Today is Day 105 for the mothers, day 4 for the clones v2.0

I'm uploading two pics of the mothers, both of them from today... 1st one is pre-LST tune-up... 2nd one is after.

There's another pic of the clones... they're doing good. :)

And then, there's a pic of Master Chief in the plants... and another pic of Master Chief looking @ the plants... on day 23... wow...

Hope you like them,

-turtle420 :cool:
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BukDatAss

01-25-2006, 03:40 AM

Master Chief Yeah :D WoW ur plants look so healthy and bushy ;) Nice job turtle nice job :thumbsup:

turtle420

01-27-2006, 03:46 PM

Clones are doing SUPER... they're stretching, and actually, they're growing the little mother fuckers....

Two of them are in optimum shape... and the third one, although it doesn't look bad, it isn't up to par with the others. Anyways, doing good...

I'll be taking the "humidity dome" off today... because I don't know their root growth stage, nor do I have experience with this, I'll remove the humidity dome, and keep a close eye on them for the next couple of hours... if everything look OK, we're good to GO!!!

I'm uploading a pic of the clones... :) You can see the fog in the middle hole shooting up...

I still don't see no signs of sex on their part... About how much time will pass before they show sex?? ??? They've got 6 days now... things that make you go hmmmm during the day...

Also, a pic of the mothers is being uploaded... day 108 of their illustrous careers. The right side pot has the two big plants... and they're fighting for water... so that one goes water-less more often than the other one....

Other than that, looking good. Sometimes I wish this things had a "Turbo" button, but, I thing about that and realize, that no... a turbo would be that good....

(thoughts of a newb.)

Later, and thanks for stopping by,

-turtle420 :cool:
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BukDatAss

01-27-2006, 05:19 PM

Nice job on the clones. You doing really good for a 1st grow. I think people on their 2nd or maybe 3rd dont even get to your status. Your gooood turtle but not a good job on the watering GIVE THAT PLANTS ITS WATER j/k :p
Good JOB WELL DONE:clap:

Powder Puff

01-27-2006, 05:29 PM

LOL!

Well, I'm not playing C.S. on xBox... I only own Halo and Halo2... LOL!!!

But yeah, it's the shit on PC online... have you played Battlefield? The only thing that sucks, is that the servers are busy all the time... fa'argin lag!
Haven't played BF online yet.. I think I'll wait until I get broadband! :p

BTW, you're plants look good!:D Clones and mothers!:D:dance:

turtle420

01-27-2006, 10:48 PM

Well, the clones woke up... everything fine...
(pic below)

So, I decided to remove the "humidity dome", and re-open the box 30 minutes later to see what was up.

Well, 44 minutes later... um, you can see the pic. They're fallen over... limp, at best. :(

So, I re-attached the dome, and I'll re-open in some 30 minutes to see what's up. :(

Crap. One of them is already pretty tall... it's getting to the top of the "dome"... imagine that... LSTing a clone
.....

I've uploaded some pics, pre-dome removal...
They're close-ups of each of the clones... please let me know if there's any possibility of sex shown in those pictures...

Thanks for the input, and GodSpeedAhead,

-turtle420 :cool:
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BTW: Buk! Dude, I'll be playing Halo all night, tonight. :)

turtle420

01-28-2006, 02:09 AM

Hello...

Well, here's the pics... the 1st one is repeated, the second one is the update... it's been 3hours, 19 minutes between photos.

As soon as I snapped the 1st one, I re-installed the "humidity dome" over them...

:(

orangeman

01-28-2006, 02:56 AM

Why havent you replied to my thread Turtle? Lol.

Da1KrayzieThug

01-28-2006, 05:40 AM

turtle420

01-28-2006, 04:40 PM

Turtle, it takes about 7 days to show sex under normal conditions. Also, try to keep your mother plants watered to the point that they don't get droopy like that. Although they do bounce back fairly fast, I'm pretty sure letting them get like that causes stress on them. You don't want them to turn hermie if they come out to be female do you? Very nice otherwise.

Also, I think your biggest problem with the clones is that you didn't trim some of the leaves off when you first took the clone. They do taht so that the clone has less stuff it has to support. So with a mediumless cloning method like that I'm pretty sure they needed that step to be taken.

Goodluck <3
What's up Thug? Thanks for the input...
As to the plants getting stressed, I'm definitely with you on that... it isn't something I enjoy doing... but, no worries, I've got it figured out... I'm going to buid an automatic watering system... with one of the nifty X10 relays, a water pump, tubing, valves, etc.... That'd be good... A 10 gallon rez for the mothers... some airstones... automatic watering... We're good to go for a couple of weeks!

As to the clones, I trimmed the lowest set of leaves on all of them, I thought that the way they are now, it was good to go...

But, question that I ask you::: can I cut those leaves now, or am I too late?

I have to wait a couple of hours (like 5) to open the clones' cabinet to see how they're doing.

Thanks for the input,

-turtle420 :cool:
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Da1KrayzieThug

01-28-2006, 09:19 PM

What's up Thug? Thanks for the input...
As to the plants getting stressed, I'm definitely with you on that... it isn't something I enjoy doing... but, no worries, I've got it figured out... I'm going to buid an automatic watering system... with one of the nifty X10 relays, a water pump, tubing, valves, etc.... That'd be good... A 10 gallon rez for the mothers... some airstones... automatic watering... We're good to go for a couple of weeks!

As to the clones, I trimmed the lowest set of leaves on all of them, I thought that the way they are now, it was good to go...

But, question that I ask you::: can I cut those leaves now, or am I too late?

I have to wait a couple of hours (like 5) to open the clones' cabinet to see how they're doing.

Thanks for the input,

-turtle420 :cool:
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I'm not too experienced with clones so I can't really tell you that. Goodluck <3

turtle420

01-28-2006, 09:27 PM

I'm not too experienced with clones so I can't really tell you that. Goodluck <3
Ok, thanks anyways Thug :)

.... The clones have just woken up, and I've taken a couple of pictures. I'm uploading pictures of the clones, and of the mothers.

From the clones' pics, is there any sex shown?

Thanks guys,

-turtle420 :cool:
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Da1KrayzieThug

01-28-2006, 09:33 PM

I personally can't see anything showing the sex yet.

Da1KrayzieThug

01-28-2006, 09:34 PM

I think when the plant doesn't have a root structure it will focus on that before focusing on the flowering. Goodluck <3

BukDatAss

01-30-2006, 03:13 PM

Nice job Turtle .... Damn ur doing it big time bro nice job

turtle420

02-01-2006, 02:14 AM

Clones, update day 9.

I had to re-inforce a clone with a toothpick... it fell over.

Guys, question: In the leaves' colors... do you see any type of nutrient over-dosing and/or defficiency?

I can't seem to see sex in any of them... :( Arghhh....

Best to all,

-turtle420 :cool:
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stickygreenlightsabr

02-01-2006, 03:07 AM

Don't worry about them showing sex just yet. Reserve that frustration if it goes more than 2 and a half weeks. :)

Looking good!

turtle420

02-01-2006, 01:11 PM

Don't worry about them showing sex just yet. Reserve that frustration if it goes more than 2 and a half weeks. :)

Looking good!
The truth... well, the truth H U R T S

Oh god! Growing started on September, I though I was going to be smoking my own buds by December... LOL!!! Ignorance... and now, I was hoping to smoke my buds for summer... ARGHH!!!

But I think that's the schedule, I think they'll be done for summer... which is fine, considering that my buds will be ready for the primer-time consumer need for very good chronic during the money-rich summers of the youth of where I live.... :) $550 and Ounce... sounds good? Does to me....

BukDatAss

02-01-2006, 04:55 PM

Hell yeah sounds really good ur gonna knockem out..:D What strain are your plants again :dance:

turtle420

02-01-2006, 05:48 PM

Hell yeah sounds really good ur gonna knockem out..:D What strain are your plants again :dance:
White Widow...

I've got seeds for Bubblelicious [spelling?] and White Russian.

The White Russian is from Serious Seeds. Serious stuff :D

I'm wondering which I'll plant, so I can get two strains to grow :)

BTW::: I'm planning on buying some 1 gallon BubbleBags... get some good bubble hash going after my trimmings... :) What you think?

Harvesthetic

02-01-2006, 09:29 PM

White Widow...

I've got seeds for Bubblelicious [spelling?] and White Russian.

The White Russian is from Serious Seeds. Serious stuff :D

I'm wondering which I'll plant, so I can get two strains to grow :)

BTW::: I'm planning on buying some 1 gallon BubbleBags... get some good bubble hash going after my trimmings... :) What you think?
looking damn sharp man props :thumbsup:

about the bubblebags, my friend recently bought the ice-o-lator and that turned out to work reaal good. They're in most cases cheaper than the bubblebags. ;)

Powder Puff

02-01-2006, 10:04 PM

How does one make "bubblehash"??:)

Anyone got a FAQ?:D

Harvesthetic

02-01-2006, 10:50 PM

How does one make "bubblehash"??:)

Anyone got a FAQ?:D
Don't mean to hijack the thread but...

Bubble hash

The ice-water filtration technique has quickly become a very popular way to make hash. This method combines the best of the screen and blender methods, using ice-water to make the trichomes brittle and agitation to knock the heads off, then straining the mix through filters for increased purity.

Hash made in this fashion is sometimes called "bubble hash" - because it is so pure that it bubbles when heated! Well-made bubble hash is a very potent product â?? a tiny piece will produce enough billows of smoke to get a small crowd high.

The two main commercial ice-water filtration systems available are "Bubble Bags" from Fresh Headies and the Ice-o-lator, another product developed by Mila. Both operate on the same principle of using cold water and filtering bags to isolate trichomes. You can also make your own kit by acquiring mesh of the appropriate sizes and carefully sowing it into bags of strong material.

In order to make bubble hash you'll need a kit with filtering bags, two impeccably clean five gallon pails and a hand mixer. The exact method can vary depending on which system you're using, but the essentials are the same. The Ice-o-lator uses two filters to screen out contaminates, leaving the trichomes caught in the second filter. The bubble bag kits from Fresh Headies contain either three or six colourâ??coded bags, and allow you to simultaneously make different grades of hash.

To start with a bubblebag kit, place your skuff into one of your five gallon buckets. Use up to 100 grams of dry skuff, or double that weight if it's fresh or wet.

Because ice makes the trichomes brittle, add plenty - at least six ice cube trays. Then fill up the bucket with cold water. Leave a few inches at the top so you don't splash too much when mixing.

Use the hand mixer to blend continuously for 15 minutes to one hour or more. Mixing longer will produce a higher yield that will be slightly less potent. The mixture will become green and frothy. You should take breaks every so often to let the mixture settle.

When done mixing, allow the mixture to settle for at least 30 minutes. If the ice has melted, add more. If possible, put the pail in the freezer, or outside if you live in a cold climate â?? you want that water to stay cold!

Now put your "work bag" into your second bucket. This bag should have a screen size between 200 and 250 microns, the one from Fresh Headies is 220. Pour your frothy green mix into the work bag in the second bucket. Slowly lift out the bag and squeeze out the water. Set aside the work bag with the green matter for a second rinse.

Now you have a bucket full of green water which contains many trichomes, as well as other contaminants. Everything that was smaller than 220 microns is in that water.

Arrange the other bags inside of the now empty bucket. Put the bag with the finest mesh in the bucket first, then place the bags with larger screen sizes inside the first one. With the Fresh Headies three bag kit you put the 25 micron bag in first and the 73 micron bag inside of it. You'll get fine hash if you just use one bag with a screen size around 73 microns.

Now you carefully pour the green water into the bucket with the bags. Then you slowly lift out each bag in succession, being sure to give them time to drain. If you're using a 25 micron bag it will drain very slowly â?? be patient. Squeeze out the excess water from each bag after it is drained.

You will now have a brownish sludge at the bottom of the bags. Remove it with a credit card or spoon to a plastic bag. Blot the sludge with a towel to remove excess moisture, and let it dry out for at least 12 hours. You might want to wait up to a week for it to fully dry and cure, if you are that patient! Be sure that your product is entirely dried so as to avoid mold problems later on.

You'll get less product from the 25 micron bag, but it will have a unique and potent affect when consumed. Bubble bag creator "Bubble Man" speculates that these are the smaller trichome heads â?? not immature, but simply the smaller heads associated with Sativa strains. He argues that Indica strains have larger trichome heads, and that Sativa strains have smaller heads on longer stalks. Crosses between these two types doesn't produce medium sized trichomes, but rather a mix of the large and small. This theory seems to be borne out by results, but much more research needs to be done.

Now go back and give the green matter in the work bag a second rinse, to be sure that you get out every last trichome!

The yield from 200 grams of skuff is around 6 to 20 grams, with an average yield around 10 grams. The quantity of hash produced depends in large part upon the quality of your original material.

turtle420

02-01-2006, 11:50 PM

How does one make "bubblehash"??:)

Anyone got a FAQ?:D
Hey pPuff, this is from BubbleBags.com
http://www.bubblebag.com/instructions/

They've got a step-by-step instruction set with lots of pictures.

I'm going to read Harvestic's posted info on the bubble hash.

Harv, thanks for the info! No thread hi-jacking at all, thanks for the info!!! :)

-turtle420 :cool:
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turtle420

02-02-2006, 04:32 AM

Hello guys,

I'm posting cause I'm a little worried.

My clones ain't looking that good.... yeah, yeah, I know you told me not to put them into 12/12, but I'm stupid.

So, working with what I've got, please take a look @ the pics. I've uploaded them in high resolution (sorry to people with dial-up) so you can zoom-in and judge by yourselves. Any takes on their problems?

Nutrients: Half the dose General Hydroponics recommends for clones. I've got the GH 3-part, and I used their chart. I used the ratios for "clones", and I halved them. I mixed everything for 1 gallon, then added 1 more gallon of water. Halved.

The fog times are: 1minON/9minOFF. Again, NutraMist fogger.

2 CFLs turned ON... each is 42Watts, "comparable" to 150W incandescent.

Any takes? Ideas? Suggestions?
More fog? Less fog? More nutes? Less nutes?

Thank you, and may god bless our ... ??? Puppies? Trees!

-turtle420 :cool:
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BTW: Oh yeah, mothers are doing fine.

BukDatAss

02-02-2006, 05:00 AM

Sorry turtle I wouldnt know, hope you get some good info

Man I never knew clones were that hard:confused: Now I'm scared to grow them:confused:

Gen

02-02-2006, 05:39 AM

Hey turtle glad to find your thread. Clones do not work with foggers. The poor girls are starving. I would get them out of there quick and stick them in a bubble cloner.

turtle420

02-02-2006, 12:29 PM

Sorry turtle I wouldnt know, hope you get some good info

Man I never knew clones were that hard:confused: Now I'm scared to grow them:confused:
DUDE! Don't be scared! C'mon man, your clones will sail much more smoothly than mine... we're learning with my clones... dude, GO FOR THE CLONES!

Thanks Buk :)

Hey turtle glad to find your thread. Clones do not work with foggers. The poor girls are starving. I would get them out of there quick and stick them in a bubble cloner.
Hey Gen, for real!?! Clones a no-no with a fogger?
Why?
Then what am I supposed to do? Clones-->bubbler-->fog?

Gen, please help me out... thanks :)

-turtle420 :cool:
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Gen

02-02-2006, 03:36 PM

Yes,clones, bubbler, fogger. Clones do not work in foggers. They don't have roots to absorb the nutrients. Make a bubble cloner. I have a picture of a bubble cloner I made for my seedlings. Get a two line air pump from walmart $10, a container with a plastic lid, punch holes in the lid, 1/8 inch tubing and a flexible bubble tray.
Make the hole large enough to let the stem pass through the hole without pinching it. Put your clones in. Let the bubbles spray the bottom of the stem. Keep the water level below the stems. Run bubbler 24/0. Since your plants are starving put the weak nuts in the bubbler. They should be fine and recover. Don't overfertilize at this stage. Keep it weak. You'll see a change in a day or two. Watch the plants, if after a few days they are still yellow, give them a bit more of nitrogen to green up those leaves. Remember not too much.

After they develop roots, then put them in the fogger. I saw some nice looking pepper plants that were grown with a fogger. good luck.

Gen

02-02-2006, 03:41 PM

here's the right picture of the bubble trays.

turtle420

02-02-2006, 04:03 PM

^^^^ Hey Gen, thanks a million. Nice loom ;)

I can build the bubble right now... Question::: (s) ::::
1. Do I use rooting hormone again on the same part of the stems I'd like to be 'roots'?

2. Should I place a "humidity dome" over them?

3. When I actually do my grow (these are just for 'cloning for sex'), can I go clones-->bubble-->fog without problems? Once the roots are set, they'll be fine uptaking the fog? Thanks, and sorry for the runaround.

Thanks for the help G,

-turtle420 :cool:
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Gen

02-02-2006, 06:12 PM

No rooting hormone. I don't use any. Withhealthy clones, just water is enough. The plant has enough food stored in the leaves to make roots. Just stick the clones in with a very weak fertilizer. Since your clones are so starved, they will need some food right away to make it. No humidity dome is needed with bubblers. Spray with a very dilute (just a couple of drops) solution to feed the foliage directly. Keep out of direct sun or strong light. Fluoros would be good for now. Leave the lights on 24/7. Check the plants hourly, if possible.

Yes, foggers will work, just not for clones. The plants need to have roots first.

Gen

02-02-2006, 06:16 PM

turtle420

02-02-2006, 06:46 PM

Ok, forget about checking them hourly. Just keep an eye on them. Darn forgot these are clones for sexing. Give them weak nutes and 12/12. They are plenty stressed so maybe they will show their sex early for you.
Thanks Gen...

My plans... going to the store, to buy two or three things I need for the bubbler. Also, I'll toke two or three hits on the way.

Nutes: I'm thinking on using the solution that's inside the NutraMist right now. It's less than a week old, and it's half the strength General Hydroponics recommends for clones. What you think?

I'll log in in about 1 hour... Thanks for the help! SUPER!

-turtle420 :cool:
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Gen

02-02-2006, 07:01 PM

Yes, I think that will do fine.

Keep on tokin, turtle!

turtle420

02-02-2006, 10:21 PM

Ok, I was going to do the bubble cloner today, but I can't, due to "sealant drying times".

I bought this 6" pot for the bubble cloner, but it holes @ the bottom. So I sealed it up with some silicone, but it doesn't look dry. Just to make sure, I'll leave it dry until tomorrow... which kind of sucks, because I wanted to place the clones into the bubbler today...

I hope they don't die before tomorrow... I just need to know their sex... they can die afterwards if they want....

-turtle420 :cool:
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Powder Puff

02-02-2006, 11:57 PM

Thanks for the FAQ's!:)

They are looking good Turtle!:)

White Widow is a nice strain!:)

What seed bank did you get you're Widow's from?:)

skippi563

02-03-2006, 12:04 AM

hey turtle iam trying to figure that out now. i want to find a strain that is the shortest and bushiest strain and when i figure that out im going to spring for some seeds from a seed bank. as now im bag seed grower only.any suggestions would be appreciated. piccts too

Gen

02-03-2006, 12:55 AM

Turtle, if you can't do the bubbler today, then put the clones in a glass with the nutrients. Take them out of the fogger now. I made my bubble cloner by getting a food container and cutting holes in that. Put a hole in the top and feed the air tube through that . Make the hole small so the air hose will stay in place and not pull out.

Hey powder, I bought some seeds from weedfarmer and received crushed seeds. He said he would send me somemore and that was January 17. Still no seeds.

Hey skippi, How does bag weed taste? I've never had the chance to try any homegrown.

turtle420

02-03-2006, 01:32 AM

Alright guys, I see a couple of replies that I want to answer... but before any of you log off, I'd like to post some pictures and a Clone Update...

I went to WalMart because I didn't want to wait until tomorrow to do the clones... so I went out to pick-up a Sterilite tub. Fine... I did the holes, the airstone, pump, etc.... etc...

I took out my clones from the cabinet, and started taking the "fog cloner" apart... when I separated the 6" pot from the top "humidity dome", I was shocked and surprised to find the clones had foggy roots!!!

They've got roots!!! Oh yeah, the thing about the fog "micro hairs", totally true. The roots looked... well, kind of "spongy" like.

I tried to get some pics, I hope you enjoy.

So, after seeing that the clones have roots, I'm wondering...

What else could be causing the clones to look in such a bad shape? Should I remove the humidity dome?
Should I increase the fog ON time (currently @ 1minON/9minOFF)?
Should I DEcrease the fog ON time?

Should I increase the nutes?

Should I... ???

Please look @ the pictures, they where all taken @ the same time...
Although they've got roots, you can see their poor appereance top-side...

Please help, thanks!

-turtle420 :cool:
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BTW: WE'VE GOT FOGGY ROOTS!!!!! WUHUUUU!!!!!

BkSkillz

02-03-2006, 02:15 AM

they look nutrient deprived gotta remember that clones are same age as mother plant and need same uptake to produce...thats all i can think of off my head i'll do a few searches see if anything pops up

BukDatAss

02-03-2006, 04:20 AM

nutes nutes nutes.... Congrats on the roots:clap:

turtle420

02-03-2006, 04:39 AM

nutes nutes nutes.... Congrats on the roots:clap:

Thanks Bk, thanks Buk :D
When I saw the roots, wow... I was super happy to say the least!

Anyways, taking Bk's advice, and now seconed by Buk, I added some Schlutz Cactus Juice... about 25% strength, I believe.

I don't know if what I'm smoking is good, but I think I saw an improvement already... I'll try to do one more update tonight... in about an hour... I hope... if I don't fall asleep...

Anyways, thanks for the support!

Best guys,

-turtle420 :cool:
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turtle420

02-03-2006, 04:44 AM

Answering some un-answered questions... :)

What seed bank did you get you're Widow's from?:)
Weed Farmer... if I'm not mistaken.

hey turtle iam trying to figure that out now. i want to find a strain that is the shortest and bushiest strain and when i figure that out im going to spring for some seeds from a seed bank. as now im bag seed grower only.any suggestions would be appreciated. piccts too
What's up skippi :)
Sorry for not replying before, but as you can see, I had roots!

Anyways, I'm a newb on this growing business... I bought White Widow, to be quite honest, because of the name. But I didn't know jack shit about Indica or Sativa... or this or that... I'll be trying different strains in the future. I also ordered Bubblelicious [?] and White Russian.

As to your "shortest and bushiest strain", well, again, I don't know. My mothers are pretty short and bushy (less than 16" high, from bottom of pot to top of plants)... but I've LSTed the shit out of them. FIM/topping/pinchin', I've only done on secondary growths... not on the very top of the plants... and I only did it in two or three... or four or five... secondary growths... just to experiment... to see what would happen... now I know!

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:
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Gen

02-03-2006, 04:46 AM

turtle420

02-03-2006, 04:52 AM

Nice roots turtle.

Now why didn't they take up the nutrients? Does the fogger take out the nutrient because the molecule size is larger? Your plants should not be all spent looking like that with roots and nutrients.
Hey G! Good to see your post...

Well, the fogger I have is the NutraMist... supposedly it works wonders... and I'm sure it does... and I'm sure we'll see in the future with my grow...

But, maybe it was the nutes? Too weak? Again, I was using GH's clone strength mix, @ 50%. But, I don't know if they're better right now...

Another thing I'm thinking::: When will it be time to remove the humidity dome? They have to come out of there some time in their lives...

Gen

02-03-2006, 03:36 PM

Hey turtle,

When I did my fogger thing, I never used a humidity dome, even when I initally transplanted from soil.

Are the clones starting to get greener? I hope they make it long enough to sex.

BukDatAss

02-03-2006, 05:11 PM

So how are the results from the topping?

turtle420

02-03-2006, 09:34 PM

Hey turtle,

When I did my fogger thing, I never used a humidity dome, even when I initally transplanted from soil.

Are the clones starting to get greener? I hope they make it long enough to sex.
Well, here's my situation with the fogger...

You know how every grow room is a carefull balancing act between different factors? Well, my mother cabinet (where I'm cloning for sex) has dimensions::: 12"x24" base, 24" height. I installed a 50CFM fart fan @ the top, pulling air out of the cabinet. Passive air intake.
PROBLEM: The 50CFM fart fan sucks all the fog out of the pot&dome in less than 2-3 minutes. So I've got it 1minON/9minOFF, but still, after the pot and the dome get filled with fog, about 3 minutes later, it's all completely gone.

How did you do it, Gen?
I need to have an "escape" for the fog, or the NutraMist won't be able to "pump IN" the fog into the root chamber. But, that same opening, allows the fog to... bye bye!

Ideas?

So how are the results from the topping?
Topping... on my plants? I'll take some pics and post them later tonight. I cut the top off a few secondary growths... I cut @ a slanted angle (about 45degrees) the top off, and about three new growths appeared... in addition, (in one case) because of the cut and the healing time, a pre-cut secondary growth catched-up with the rest of the stem, and now it's bigger than the top's 3 growth shoots.

Again, I'll snap some pics and post them.

Rasta, where the heck are you buddy? :confused: It's been a long time since you posted... my plants and me are missing you dude... :(

Anyways, I'll update in a while... thanks for the replies guys!

-turtle420 :cool:
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Da1KrayzieThug

02-03-2006, 10:00 PM

Da1KrayzieThug

02-03-2006, 10:08 PM

Gen, I STRONGLY disagree with your views on the fogging method of cloning.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Hydroponics-Indoor-Sunlight-Sheds-Shed-Grow-Box-Light_W0QQitemZ7741899818QQcategoryZ43555QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Also turtle, I dont think you should be giving the clones nutrients just yet either. But, let's say that you wanted to give them nutrients. The fogger makes the water molecules about 2-4 microns big. That is small enough to fit into the pores of the roots. This eliminates pH problems. And because the pH isn't a problem anymore, the plant gets ALL the nutrients you put in the water mixture. And since the nutrients are usually water soluable they are still in the 4 micron thick piece of water. Goodluck <3

And sorry if my ides are not organized because I'm just not thinking clearly today.

turtle420

02-03-2006, 10:15 PM

Turtle I suggest doing this. Make the area from the plant being connected to the tub be completely sealed. Then in the middle of the tub have about a 2" hole so air can escape into the upper plant area. Then put another 2" hole in the humidity dome. This would create the following circuit for the fog:

1.) Air enters the Nutrimist fogger.
2.) The fog gets pushed into the rooting area of the plants.
3.) The rooting area will fill up with fog.
4.) The fog then pushes its way into the humidity dome only after filling the rooting area.
5.) The humidity dome fills up with fog.
6.) Excess fog escapes via the 2" hole at the top of the humidity dome.

Also I hope you have been keeping the fogger on constantly...
Hey Thug, thanks for posting and providing your input :) I really appreciate it.

1st--> NutraMist isn't ON constantly... I did it like that the first time, and it was simply absurd the results... literally, it didn't make sense. The pot was fill of water (dripping on its sides)... the mother cab was full of water on its floor... the floor of my room had pools of ex-fog nuted water... the wall where the exhaust air of the cabinet hits, that thing was drenched with water... I mean.. 24/7 Fogger? Uy uy uyyyy....

My schedule for the fogger right now is a quasi-Ebb&Flow schedule: 1minON/9minOFF during DAYtime. It goes 1minON/59minOFF during NIGHTtime.

Seems to be working good. Although, I was thinking about that today, and during nightime, the exhaust fan is OFF. Well, I turn it ON for 1minute - the minute before the NutraMist comes ON to fog the place. Then the fan shuts OFF, and the fogger comes ON for 1 minute. Then everything OFF for the next 58 minutes.

But I was thinking, I'd like to:::
1- turn ON fan for 1minute
2- turn OFF fan, turn ON fogger for 1minute
3- turn OFF fogger,
4- after 20 minutes, turn ON fan for 1 minute

I think that the fog @ nightime is lingering too much.

As to your fog path concept, I follow you. I congratulate you dude on doing this by imagination! :thumbsup: The thing is, my 50CFM fart fan, pulls air THROUGH the fogger hose. So, when my fogger is turned OFF, the fan pulls air through two places: 4" dryer duct intake (fresh air), 1" fog hose (NutraMist is turned OFF @ this moment).

So, when I turn OFF the fog, the fart fan anyways pulls the fog away.

The only way I see around this is to install the fog outlet directly to the OUTSIDE of the cabinet, so it's unaffected by the "vacuum" of the 50CFM fart fan.

I'd better nail this down soon, as I'll be having the same "problem" inside my flowering cabinet when my grow starts...

Thanks Thug, and I still miss the Puppy Sandwich... although your new avatar, for some idiotic reasons, make me laugh,

-turtle420 :cool:
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turtle420

02-03-2006, 10:19 PM

Da1KrayzieThug

02-03-2006, 11:26 PM

Hey Thug,

Today, stuck in a traffic jam, smoking a lot, and hearing some good music, I had a cool idea for your fogger.

If you're not buying the full fledged NutraMist setup, but you're buying the head(s), then you need to keep the nute level @ optimum, for best performance. Too high level, performance suffers. Too low level, the fogger shuts off.

Well, you can set your fogger head on a "buoy"... floating on the nute rez. You place the head @ a pre-determined height below the "floating material". That way, if your nute levels go up, or down, the fogger head is always @ the optimum liquid level.

Hehehe... my thoughts/posts are disorganized today too...

Yea, I had already thought of that. Also, I still believe it would be better to have it on more than 1 minute or w/e you have it set to and just have something drain the water back to the reservoir. I figured that you already had something draining it back to your res so I never included that part. Anyways, goodluck <3

turtle420

02-04-2006, 12:15 AM

Hello guys... I'll reply to your posts later (Thug), but right now I'm in a hurry... anyways, quickly... I snapped the uploaded pic.

ANY SEX?!

Thanks,

-turtle420 :cool:
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BukDatAss

02-04-2006, 09:32 AM

I think I see a little hair but I cant see it close up it gets blurry. Try taking another one:thumbsup:

turtle420

02-04-2006, 06:47 PM

I think I see a little hair but I cant see it close up it gets blurry. Try taking another one:thumbsup:
Will do Buk...

I'll snap a 5MegaPixel pic when they wake up... then I'll crop it and edit it for upload. A 5MP pic is something like 2 or 3MB... I think.

After I posted last night, I went out. I got home late... some shit like 4 in the morning. So, I did my shit before going to bed... but, I couldn't see the plants. They shut-off lights @ 5am... and between this and that, and doing this and that under alcohol's influence, I was unable to open the cabinet in time. So I just crashed into the cloudy fields of Dream Gates Park.

I really wanted to see how the clones where doing... I hope they didn't dry up. I'm guessing they're wilted, but shit, they've got roots... they should pick-up... little bastards. Hey Thug, I've got a pretty good idea for the fog inside the root chamber thing.... You know our problem? That the fog escapes into the inside of the grow room? Well, I think... I think, I've got a solution. Let me try and hammer it out, and I'll do a picture and upload it.

Later guys,

-turtle420 :cool:
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turtle420

02-04-2006, 11:21 PM

I just opened the cab. Needless to say, fuck. :(

BukDatAss

02-04-2006, 11:35 PM

:eek: noooooooo Man I wish i knew what to say but I dont know squat about clones:( I hope u get the right info...

Maybe the strain is just tough to clone:confused:

Gen

02-05-2006, 06:19 AM

Well thug it's okay to disagree. I read the website and it does talk about cloning and fogging. They are also selling a product. I read an article on fogging and it said fogging does not work with clones and did not explain why.

Then what happened to turtle's clones? They looked starved to death. They were not getting any nutrient at all. When I propagate I don't use any fertilizer in the water. It's not necessary. The plant gets it's food from the leaves. I left all the leaves on a cutting and the cutting rooted and never showed signs of yellowing till much later. I have also used weak nutes in cloning and it still worked.

stickygreenlightsabr

02-05-2006, 08:28 AM

Oh man, they look done for. :(

AALIYAH LYRICS

"Try Again"

[Chorus]
If at first you don't succeed
Dust yourself off and try again
You can dust it off and try again

Powder Puff

02-05-2006, 02:18 PM

Damn.. That's just unfair..:(

And, I agree with stickygreenlightsabr:)

NEVER quit!!:)

turtle420

02-05-2006, 02:35 PM

Ok, UPDATE:::

Thanks to justAseed, in another thread, I was able to spot my pre-flowers... god damn! I should have done that at the beginning... not fuck around with "cloning for sex" and stuff...

Anyways... NEWS!!!
I've got 2 males, 2 females.
I've got 2 pots. 1pot has 1male and 1female, and the other one, well, the remaining female and male.

So, one of the females is the super-slow growth plant... So that's my second choice for mother plant. The other female, is @ the other pot, and it's the one the early on her life she "split" (kind of if somebody "topped" her) and she's now a two headed monster. Well, that one is a female also.

So, I'm keeping the two headed mosnter female, and killing the male that's in the pot with her.

Then, the other pot, it has one male and one female, right? Well, just as I was about to kill all the plants, my brother called me... so I spoke with him, and I've got a new plan.

POT1: I'm killing the male, keeping the two headed female.
POT2: I'm headed out the door right now, and I'm going to plant this pot in the great outdoors. Wish them luck, and get the hell out of there. There's a male and a female there... so hopefully I can come back 3.5 months later and find some White Widow seeds. And some outdoor buds... :D

Please let me know what you think!

When I get back, I'll start cloning for the actual grow today!!!!!!! WUUuHUUU!!!!!

I'm wondering who's more excited.... you guys or me!

Thanks for all the support guys,

-turtle420 :cool:
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starmark

02-05-2006, 04:07 PM

i've cloned with a nutramist ....works great,just run it 24/7........roots in 6 days

Gen

02-05-2006, 04:27 PM

Hey turtle, very interesting post.

What did justaseed say about sexing?

When I fogged, I used plants that I started from seed. Grew them out in dirt and then put them into fogging bucket. The fog was no problem since I grew outside. There was no humidity dome and the fog rose up from the holes the net pots were in. So I had fog rising from 9 holes. I ran the fogger 24/7 and it didn't put out that much water. It was an ultrasonic fogger from walmart $35 bucks. The fogger had a two gallon reservoir and I could run it for 3 days.

Hope that helps. Whatever you do people are interested. I'm still learning.

BukDatAss

02-06-2006, 12:01 AM

goood to hear your back on ur feet with a new plan..

Your like Puffy ("Can't stop wont Stop, Uh huh Uh huh"):D

turtle420

02-06-2006, 03:05 AM

What's up guys? :)

Ok, here are my plans:
Tomorrow, I'll buy two or three things I need, and when I get home @ the end of the day, I'll cut new clones and put them into the fog... Thug and Starmark, I'll run the NutraMist all the time during lights ON this time.

Question: What are your feelings towards using the 400W MH for the clones?
The light is about 24" away from where the clones' tops would be... would you use the MH, or CFLs?

The thing is, it'll be much, much easier to just use the 400W MH inside the cabinet... instead of having to use the CFLs.

Ideas? I'll think the clones will take it just fine.

Hoping to see your ideas,

-turtle420 :cool:
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BkSkillz

02-06-2006, 03:46 AM

i think at this stage a few dying clones cant/wont stop your drive DO THE DAMN THING!

turtle420

02-06-2006, 11:25 AM

DO THE DAMN THING!
YES DRILL SERGEANT SIR!

Can't stop wont Stop, Uh huh Uh huh

Or...

If at first you don't succeed
Dust yourself off and try again
You can dust it off and try again

turtle420

02-07-2006, 05:17 AM

Hello guys...

I got home too late today to do what I wanted... no clones today.

Anyways, that gave me time to remember, that I wanted to do some "Moon phase" crops. So, I'll review the literature I have tomorrow to see when the heck do I have to cut the clones in order to "follow" the Moon.

In other news::: I got home to my two girls... I'm going to resume my searches for a handheld microscope... I mean, I have to take pictures of my pre-flowers. Compared to all other pre-flower photos I've been able to look at, mine are diminutive. I'm puzzled... ???

Um, I uploaded three pictures. I was having a close look at the girls, and I spotted three different kinds of invaders!!! WTF?!!!

Please, help... the plants don't show signs of being "negatively affected" by these little SoBs, but I wanted them out! OUT!

1st pic, you can see the ones I call BMF... Big Mother Fucker. It's standing right in the middle ridge of the fan leave's stem.

2nd pic, these are small tiny "flies"... they hang around in the bottom openings of my pot, and when I water the plants, they flee to the upskirts of the pot in order to escape nature's wrath (ie, water flow).

3rd pic, are the ones that got me the most upset. Apparently, they thrive in yellow leaves... so, could they be causing the yellow leaves? My plants don't have that many yellow leaves, but still, that's the observation: I spotted many of them in yellow leaves.

In the 3rd pic, I cut off a leaf and placed it upside-down. I also cut off part of the leaf, so the "curls" wouldn't obstruct the photo. You can see the mother fuckers have an entire colony in there! Damn bastards! I can see their community college in the pic!

ARGHH!?!?!?!!!!!!!! What the hell do I do?

I'm not freaking out, but this little bastards have me really pissed off... Do any type of store sell "LadyBugs"?

Thanks for the comments,

-turtle420 :cool:
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I liked these icons for the explanation of my situation...
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BukDatAss

02-07-2006, 05:27 AM

Whoooooahh thats some freaky sheet Turtle Their has to be something that would clean that up no problem... This guy had a problem on the spidermite and some garlic foil spray cleared it up.... Dont know if it would work on those little f#ckers:confused: I'm going to check some stuff for you to see if I cant find anything

turtle420

02-07-2006, 05:46 AM

^^^^ Thanks Buk! :)

Damn dude, I'd play Halo now, but I've got to get up early.... Thanks for support! ;)

-turtle420 :cool:
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BukDatAss

02-07-2006, 06:21 AM

PESTS
You really have to watch pests, or all your efforts could result in little or nothing in
return. Mites and Aphids are the worst; whiteflies, caterpillar and fungi are the ones to watch out
for long term. Pyrethrum bombs can start you with a clean slate in the room, and then homemade
or commercial soap sprays will do most of the rest. When bringing in plants from outside,
pyrethrum every broad leaf top and bottom and the soil too. Then watch them closely for a week
or two, and soap down any remaining bug life you find from eggs being hatched. This should do
the trick for a month or two, long enough it won't be an issue before harvesting.

Use soap solution like Safer Insecticidal Soap to get rid of most aphid problems. Use
some tobacco juice and chilli pepper powder added to this for mites. Dr. Bronnars Soap can be
used with some dish detergent in a spray bottle if you want to save money.
Pyrethrum should only be used in extreme circumstances directly on plants, but can be
used in a closet or greenhouse in the corners to get rid of spiders and such. It breaks down within
a week to non-toxic elements, and can be washed from a plant with detergent solutions and then
clear water.
I find Pyrethrum to be the best solution for spider mites, if it is sprayed on young plants
up to early flowering. Into later flowering, the tobacco and pepper/soap solution is your best bet,
on a daily basis, on the under-sides of all infected leaves.

BukDatAss

02-07-2006, 06:27 AM

There are six pests that are most likely to attack marijuana in-
doors: aphids, mealybugs, mites, whiteflies, scale, and caterpillars.
A few others sometimes invade greenhouses. These include cater-
pillars, cutworms, grasshoppers and leafhoppers.
APHIDS

Aphids are usually found on the undersides of leaves and on
stems, though they are sometimes found on the leaf tops. The
adults are about 1/32 to 1/16 of an inch long and are oval, almost egg-
shaped. They have two protrusions from their rear which look like
pipes and may or may not have wings. They are usually found in
dense colonies with an adult surrounded by a cluster of young.

They are usually pale green or yellow, but sometimes are brown,
black or red. They molt leaving a white shell. They secrete
"honeydew" which is shiny and sticky and is found on infested
foliage. Honeydew is a concentrate of the sugars the animal has
sucked out of the plant and discarded in its search for protein.
Aphids are frequently found together with ants which farm them
for their honeydew by carrying them from plant to plant.
Infested plants weaken from the insects' constant sucking of
sap which they eat by penetrating the deep tissue. Older leaves curl
and younger ones grow deformed. Mold sometimes forms on the
honeydew. Within weeks the plant may wither. Aphids are carriers
of molds and viruses.
Indoors, aphids reproduce parthenogenetically; that is, all the
insects are females and they can reproduce without being fertilized.
They bear live young, which may actually carry embryos of their
own before they are born. They can reproduce when they are 6 days
old.
Luckily, aphids are not difficult to control. Action is taken at
the first sign of infection. First, the garden is checked for ants. Any
colonies are eliminated using ant bait, ant stakes or boric acid.
Then all visible aphids are wiped off the plants using a sponge
and soapy water, a soapy water spray or insecticide. A soapy water
spray is made by mixing 1Â½ tablespoons Ivory Snow Flakes or any
other soap without detergent in a gallon of water. Some growers
reported success using Dr. Bronner's Eucalyptus or Mint liquid
soaps (these are often found in health food stores) at the rate of I
tablespoon per gallon. This will eliminate most of the pests so that
the grower has some breathing space. However, even the most
thorough spraying or sponging does not eliminate all of the pests,
and since they reproduce parthenogenetically, even one remaining
insect can restart the colony.
If the plants are not flowering, then spray can be used every 2
or 3 days for several weeks. Thorough sprayings may eventually
destroy the colony. They certainly keep it in check.
Another convenient spray is available commercially.
Pyrethrum is a natural insecticide found in chrysanthemum-family
plants. It has not been found harmful to warm-blooded animals but
is toxic to aphids, among other insects. Pyrethrum may be purchas-
ed as a powder, a liquid concentrate, in a pump or aerosal spray.
Usually growers with small gardens choose the aerosols for conve-
nience, while those with large gardens find the concentrates or
powders much less expensive.
Some benign insects like to eat aphids and are convenient to
use in a greenhouse or grow-room situation. Ladybugs and green
lacewings are predators which eat aphids. They can be purchased
commercially from insectiaries. These insects also go through a
rapid lifecycle and may eat hundreds of aphids as they grow to
adults. The insects come with instructions for their use.
People are sometimes a little queasy about bringing beneficial
insects indoors because they are afraid they will escape into un-
wanted areas. However, for the most part these insects stay where

they belong as long as there is food for them to eat. Adult
beneficials sometimes fly directly into metal halide lamps and die
instantly. One grower placed a glass reflector around his lamps. The
trick is to get the adult beneficials to lay eggs because the predators
are most voracious during their immature stages. Given enough
food (aphids) this presents no problem. Once the predators become
established they keep the pest population at a negligible level, but
never eliminate their source of food.
MEALYBUGS

Mealybugs are light-colored insects which exude a white, waxy
cottony-looking substance in which they nestle or which covers
their body. They are usually found on the underside of the leaves
and in the joints between the leaves and stems. The adults are from
1/16 to 1/6 inch long. They suck juices from the plant and exude
honeydew. Their breeding rate is much slower than many other
pests; a generation takes a month or more.
A small mealybug infection may be eliminated by using a
sponge to wipe the creatures off the plants. They can also be
destroyed using a cotton swab dabbed in alcohol, which kills them
instantly. More serious infestations may be controlled using a soapy
water solution or pyrethrum. As well as eating aphids, green lace-
wings also eat mealybugs.
MITES

Mites are the most damaging pest that can enter a garden. They
are not insects, but an arachnid, which is the class of animals that
include spiders. Mites are tiny and may not be noticed until they
have developed into a serious infestation. There are many species of
mites. However the one most likely to attack the garden is the 2
spotted mite, which has two spots on its back which can be seen
under a magnifying glass.
The first indication that a grower may have mites is seeing pin-
point yellow spots on fan leaves. These spots are located above the
points where the mites have pierced the tissue to suck out the plant
juices. Mites are very small, measuring only 3-6 thousandths of an
inch. They look like small dots colored black, red or brown. Mites'
maturity and reproductive rates are affected by temperature. A
female lays about 100 eggs during her lifetime, but at 60 degrees she
produces 20 offspring, at 70 degrees she and her offspring number
13,000, and at 80 degrees she represents a potential 13,000,000 in-
dividuals over a single month. Under ideal conditions mites
reproduce a week after hatching.
As the mite population rises, the plants weaken. Infested leaves
curl under and spider4ike webbing is spun which covers the plants
and is used by the pests to move from plant to plant. Mites also
walk down stems, across medium and across dry space in search of
new plants to colonize. Besides the leaf spots and curling, infested
leaves sometimes also bronze and/or develop necrotic brown spots.

Most growers do not notice mites until the infestation has been
well established and there has been damage to plants. The situation
calls for immediate action. First, after careful examination, infested
plants are separated from the uninfested ones. Lightly infested
plants may be separated from heavily damaged plants. (Physical
barriers such as sticky tape are placed around the heavily infested
plants, pots or the garden perimeter to prevent migration of mites.
Tops are separated so that the mites cannot walk from plant to
plant via foliage.)
Mites suck juices, so they must evaporate large quantities of
water. This is easier for them to do in a dry environment. Humid
environments slow down their metabolism, life span, and reproduc-
tive rate.
Mites may be controlled somewhat by lowering the
temperature, thus slowing the insects' life processes considerably.
Even if this is done only during the dark cycle, when it is easier to
lower temperatures, the progression rate of the infection is slowed
significantly.
Mites tend to congregate on the leaves rather than the buds,
although, as their populations increase, they can start colonizing
the buds as well. They can be washed off the leaves using a strong
water spray. Growers sometimes use a soapy water spray from a
small gauge directional nozzle. Medium pressure can be used. The
floor and container surfaces are covered with newspaper or other
throwaways so that the mites can be removed by the spray. Buds
within 2 weeks of harvest should not be sprayed with soap. Other
possible sprays include wetting agents, which interfere with the
mites' water-holding ability, flour or starch (Â½ cup flour, Â½ cup
milk in a gallon of water) which trap and kill the mites as the mix-
ture dries into a thin film, and an anti-transpiration product, "Wilt-
Pruf"Â® which is sold in many nurseries. It is a chemical which is
used to slow down the rate at which plants lose water through their
leaves and works by partially coating the leaf's pores. It is frequent-
ly used when transplanting and during dry, hot, or sunny periods.
Wilt-Pruf also traps mites in its thin film. When these products are
used, individual leaves are sprayed using a hand trigger bottle.
Some growers "homebrew" a miticide using common spices
such as garlic, cayenne pepper, onion, cloves or their combinations
soaked in water. Recipes call for either grinding the raw spices or
boiling them. One gallon of water is mixed with one or more of the
following: Â½- 1 ounce garlic, 2-3 ounces of onion, Â½ ounce cloves,
Â½-i ounce cayenne pepper. Before spraying all the plants with a
homebrew, try it on a few leaves to make sure that the plants are
not adversely affected and the mites are killed.
Insectiaries advertise predatory mites for the control of mites.
There are several varieties that attack two-spotted mites. Choice of
variety of predator mites depends on greenhouse temperature.
Some growers have reported great success using these predators,
while others report that they have been unsuccessful at getting them
to take. When they get established they are effective, but sometimes
they seem to disappear in the marijuana garden never to be seen

again. Meanwhile, the mites continue to multiply at a geometric
rate.
On May 23rd, 1986, the New York Times reported on
Kelthane, the popular miticide and insecticide. Growers have often
reported its effectiveness in eliminating pest problems. However, it
turns out that one of the reasons for its effectiveness is that it con-
tains DDT. You say that can't be: DDT was banned from use in
1972. Rohm & Haas Company of Philadelphia, which distributes
the product manufactured overseas, has agreed to reduce the level
in this product from 2.5% to 1/10th of 1 percent on December 31,
1988. Yes, that's right, 1988. The stocks will be in stores well after
that date. DDT damages the reproductive systems and nervous
systems of mammals. For your own sake, please don't use Keithane
or any other miticide-insecticide-containing dicofol.
Since mites have a short regeneration cycle, for sprays to be ef-
fective they must be used often enough to kill each new generation
before it has a chance to reproduce. To prevent buildup of
resistance, different sprays are alternated. Several growers have
reported eliminating mites using "Holiday Foggers" 3 times a day
at S day intervals.
Smart growers cover their bodies and wear respirators when
working with harmful chemicals. Exposed clothing and underwear
is removed immediately after the operation is ended and is washed
separately or disposed of. One grower used disposable paper jump
suits he found at an army surplus store. Another used clothing one
step away from the garbage. After removing clothing, the exposed
individual showers well with strong soap.
Mites are difficult to eliminate or even control, but it can be
done. The means of control depends upon the stage of the plants'
life cycle and the degree of infestation. Gardens with a minor infec-
tion which are near harvest may be protected simply by lowering the
temperature, or by using a quick knockdown spray.
Growers sometimes find it more convenient to destroy young
plants with a mite infection than to try to combat it. Plants which
are nearing the end of the vegetative stage may never flower well if
the infection is severe, so that growers try to keep the population
down on plants older than 2 months. Growers sometimes start the
flowering cycle early when they detect mites. That way
temperatures are lowered because of the longer darkness cycle, and
the mites do not have as long to build up their population.
WHITEFLIES

Whiteflies look like flies except that they are all white. The
adults are about 1/16th of an inch long. They can be seen flying off
foliage when it is shaken. They lay large white eggs which can be
seen on the undersides of the leaves they inhabit. They suck sap
from the leaves and leave spots of honeydew. Whiteflies spread
black soot, molds and other diseases.
Whiteflies undergo four stages of development once they hatch
from eggs. Each stage is called an instar. Their life cycle is strictly

regulated by temperature. As temperatures increase from 55 to 85
degrees the number of days from egg to adult decreases from 103 to
18 days. However, the adult's life span also decreases. At 55
degrees, the adult lives over 60 days. At 85 degrees it lives fewer
than 7 days. At 65 degrees it produces more than 300 eggs over its
lifespan, at the rate of more than 8 eggs per day. As the temperature
increases, total egg production decreases to less than 30 and the rate
of production goes down to fewer than 5 per day.
The whitefly population must increase to tremendous numbers
before there is any apparent damage to plants directly. However,
the honeydew dropped by whiteflies becomes an incubation spot
for mold.
Whiteflies are easy to control. If there only seem to be a few,
they can be pinched off the leaves by hand. Their metabolism is a
factor of temperature; at cool temperatures in the low 60's, they are
sluggish and easily trapped. They are susceptible to spice sprays and
pyrethrum, but the easiest way to deal with them is using Encarsia
Formosa, the whitefly parasite. This small non-social wasp is about
1/32nd of an inch long, about the same size as a mite. It lives entirely
on whiteflies. The adults eat the eggs and the first and second in-
star. They lay their eggs in the third instar. As the wasp embryo
develops in the whitefly instar, the egg, which was a pale green or
tan, turns black. Encarsia formosa development is also regulated by
temperature. At 55 degrees it takes 30 days to reach adulthood, but
at 85 degrees it requires only about 10 days. At 65 degrees the adults
live about 30 days, but only 8 days at 80 degrees. However the
number of eggs laid by females, about 30, does not vary much.
They just lay them over a shorter period of time.
Insectiaries usually suggest that whitefly parasites be released
several times over a 3 week period allowing several generations of
whitefly instars to be parasitized, assuring control of the problem
quickly. However, experienced growers have found that only 1
release is required, although control takes a while longer. By the
third generation the parasites achieve virtual control of the plant
eaters and while they do not eliminate them, they keep the
whiteflies down to a negligible level and prevent large outbreaks
from occurring.
Whiteflies are attracted to certain shades of yellow. Nurseries
sell cards which are either pre-glued or which can be coated with oil.
Any whiteflies which fly to the card are trapped.
One grower uses a vacuum cleaner to collect whiteflies from his
plants. He says that it is best to do this early in the morning when it
is still cool and the insects are sluggish. He says that the vacuum is
also effective against aphids.

SCALE

Scale are insects which attack the stems and undersides of
leaves. There are two kinds of scale: armored and soft-bodied. Ar-
mored scale are 1/6-1/12 inch long and are usually brown, grey or red-
dish. They secrete a waxy or cottony substance which shapes a shell

to protect their bodies. Soft-bodied scale are usually brown, black
or mottled. Their skin is smooth and shiny. Both types are mobile
only when they are young. Usually they lose their legs after the first
or second moult. The males regain their legs as well as wings at the
final moult and spend their short adult life in search of females to
inseminate.
Scale females can produce up to 5,000 offspring over a
lifetime, but they have a relatively slow rate of growth so that it
takes a while for them to build a large population.
Scale suck sap, leaving little residue. Sometimes immature
scale, which are mobile, excrete honeydew. Their saliva may be tox-
ic to the plant. Leaves or branches will turn yellow and die.
Scale often look like nodes or blemishes on a stem. They are
easily scraped off the plant using fingernails.
They do not often attack marijuana; however, some cases have
been reported.
There are number of effective methods of controlling scale.
Since they reproduce slowly, scraping the adults off the leaves and
stems may be an effective control. Garlic-cayenne sprays may
eliminate them. Finally, there are a number of parasites which at-
tack the insects in their immature stages. Predators are often
specific to a particular variety of scale, so it's best to send samples
of the infection to insectiaries when buying them.
Scale can also be killed using a cotton swab dipped in alcohol.

Gen

02-07-2006, 08:46 AM

turtle420

02-07-2006, 01:37 PM

Turtle how old were the clones that died. Did you have them under bright lights? Clones need weak light to develop roots, otherwise the plants use up all the sugars in the leaves and die a premature death. They only need water to gorw roots.
Hello Gen,

My clones where in...I had them in day 13 when I spotted them withered up and "dead". On day 12 was when I removed the "humidity dome".

LIGHTS: For the first 10 days of life, they had only ONE 43Watt CFL, comparable to a 200W incandescent. It wasn't directly on top of them, it was about 1 foot away.

The clones withered up, but they never said "I'm dead!", although I trully thought it. Anyways, because they had these little tiny roots, I placed them in a glass with water, little bit of SuperTHRIVE, and a air stone... let's see what happens... I'd be great if they survived... Wow... the will to live.
<<><><>>>>

BukDatAss! Thanks for the info bro, I haven't read it completely, but I'm printing it out so I can read it during the day.... damn bugs... arghhhh!

But thanks man, I'll keep you updated

;)

-turtle420 :cool:
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Gen

02-08-2006, 12:46 AM

Turtle, when did you first notice your clones turning yellow? That would of been the first sign, they're having trouble. If they don't stay healthy green, something is wrong. The clones keep them in low light and spray them with very weak ferts to give them some food. I use a few drops of liquid kelp and a couple drops of liquid soap for a wetting agent to a pint of water. Keep on feeding them and you may be able to save them. I have not had any nute burn yet. I feed my plants everytime I water them with very weak fertilizer. For the hydro plants I am using the lucas formula since the GH3 formula made the plants stretch alot in fours hours.

Someone said they had success with clones in a fogger. How are you managing the extra moisture? Maybe the nutrimist is for a much larger grow operation than the one you're currently running. Good luck.

BukDatAss

02-08-2006, 05:46 AM

Whatsup with the BUGS did this help you a little bit?

turtle420

02-08-2006, 01:54 PM

Whatsup with the BUGS did this help you a little bit?
Dude, I've been sooooo busy, I haven't had time.

HOPEFULLY, today I'll be able to cut my clones and start the actual grow. FINALLY!

I feel so left behind... EVERYBODY has budding plants... EVERYBODY planted fucking seeds and theirs are already 12/12. I'm not bitching in a please-help-me way... but fucking shit! This sucks man!

Will I EVER be able to smoke my own buds?! Sheeeeshhhh.... :(

Powder Puff

02-08-2006, 02:14 PM

turtle420

02-08-2006, 02:17 PM

NO!! YOU WILL FAIL OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND.. you get the point! :thumbsup:

You do know, THAT atitude will get you NOWHERE!:)

Just believe in you're self, and you're plants will grow!:)

Maybe cloning was a hard one to start with.. Just remember, you GOT them some roots!:) :thumbsup:

Just try over and over and over and over and over... You get the poin again...!:)
Thanks for the uplifting words pPuff... but don't worry, after +$4,000 invested, this plants WILL flower... Even if I have to stick GH nutes down their stems with a syringe.... I am NOT kidding... they WILL grow!

WUHUUU!!!!! Thanks pPuff, :D
In honor of your name, I will go now have a "Puff" of some good chronic I scored... and, completing your name, it will be a "Power Puff" !!!! LOL!!!! :D

Best pPuff,

-turtle420 :cool:
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BukDatAss

02-08-2006, 03:03 PM

Nice to hear your back Turtle dont give up.. I We need you to finish;)

but good thing just keep growing and growing you did good with the clones (I think) Remember its our 1st time we all had huge speed bumps and had big mistakes, its all in our forums:thumbsup:

Gen

02-08-2006, 04:56 PM

Yeah, turtle. I'm rooting for you. No pun intended. For that kind of money you should be growing giant redwoods. You will be rewarded. Persistance pays off.

For a first time grower you're doing great. I've been growing flowers and veggies for 25 years. And I can still screw things up.

greenmonster

02-08-2006, 05:18 PM

chin up dude. just think how fucking lovely they will taste when u get there!!!

turtle420

02-08-2006, 11:37 PM

Friends, thank you very much for your support... :) We're on our way!

GreenMonster, thanks for posting! Good to have you around :)

Stay tuned, right now, I'm doing two or three things... in a couple of hours, I'll cut clones!

I'm placing the clones into their final root box... so they'll be in the same box all their lives. The root box, or root chamber, is a Sterilite tub, almost filling the cabinet to capacity. It's 12" high, and I forgot how many gallons... It's big. I'll upload pics later.

I'm going to install the NutraMist fog feed tube into the tub, then cut the hole to the bottom of the cabinet. Thanks to the fog discussions with DaCrazyThug (the guy with the Puppy Sandwich... damn, I miss it), I'll do now a "re-circulating" fog setup. Fog that's condensed, will flow back through the fog feed tube into the NutraMist. That should help with the maximum usage of the nutrients.

QUESTION: I installed my RO+DI (Reverse Osmosis + De-Ionization) water filter... working fine. Should I use my ppm/pH/EC/etc meter? I haven't used it yet... it's still in the box. Ideas?

I'll be placing the clones into small net pots... and filling those with lava rocks.

What else.???? Oh, I need to build the SCRoG screen and frame... tomorrow. Maybe.

And later today... yikes... I need to place my girls into their mother cabient... :( Small thing...

LIGHTS:::
Anyway, I was planning on using one CFL light for all the clones... the CFL is rated at something like 90 or 100 incandescent-watts. It's for reading.

I was hoping that light was enough, and after about 5-7 days, I could turn ON the 400W MH. Ideas? Suggestions?

Ok, stay tuned... As Gen says, same turtle channel...

-turtle420 :cool:
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BukDatAss

02-09-2006, 12:58 AM

glad to see some new progress:thumbsup:

did you kill the bugs????:confused:

turtle420

02-09-2006, 04:42 AM

glad to see some new progress:thumbsup:

did you kill the bugs????:confused:
Thanks Buk :)
The bugs... I'm working on a solution... hopefully tomorrow, I can erradicate the little SoBs... thanks for the info man, without it, I wouldn't know what to do... I just copy/pasted it to my grow Notebook.

<><><>

I just started Clone Wars, version 3.0

NutraMist running 24 hours every day...
Dayton exhaust fan running for 5 minutes, ever 30 minutes.
One 12W CFL... 60incandescent-watts ("").
The tub, the fog setup, the rez, everything is working perfectly... except for a little leak... very little. Arghhh...

Anyways, I trully hope these clones work. I cut them pretty long, cut-off all the leaves except the 2 or 3 most upper set of leaves. I snipped the tips of the leaves off... I'm not 100% sure why.
I dipped them generously in rooting hormone.

What else?... That's it. :)

-turtle420 :cool:
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Gen

02-09-2006, 05:53 AM

Turtle, is there such a thing as too much love in your book? When did you decide to turn your clones in frankenstein? I'm asking because I am horrified at what you have done to your beautiful clones. I would never take leaves away from a clone, unless the leaf is brown or yellow. Leaves are essential to plant life. Think of the stomach. Well the leaves are the stomach of your plant. By hacking away at the clone, it has lost all of it's food supply.

I'm staying tuned to the turtle channel.

Gen

02-09-2006, 06:07 AM

Turtle since you trimmed all the leaves off. I would cut the stem down too. That's too far for the water to travel without any leaves.

turtle420

02-09-2006, 06:25 AM

Shit... I just started and I already messed-up... :(

Gen, this cloning thing ... ... ...

Ok, I removed the leaves because I thought they should be removed from clones... Oh god...

Ok, the mothers are fine, I can take more clones from them... But these... Oh god... Ok, can I get like, um...

:( I'm going to bed.

(BTW: Thanks for the input Gen, I appreciate it a million. But it's just too late... I don't even want to look @ them anymore. :( )

BkSkillz

02-09-2006, 07:21 AM

what people usually do is snip off 1 4th of the leaf margins *the tips) so that the clones have less inbalancing weight on there ends tipping them over but by no means cut 2 much of the leaves off shes right but thats just a simple overlooked step youve got all the ingredients now its just time to find the perfect way of mixing them up..jus think of it like this once u get this cloning thing down your bud factory will officially be open for business and in no time turtle will be parting the sea of green...if at first you dont secussed...fuk the world and smoke some weed...then try and try again...repeat steps 1 @ 2 as needed...

Gen

02-09-2006, 07:36 AM

As long as they are green keep growing them. Try shortening the stem on half and leave the other half with long stems. See which ones do better. I don't snip any plant part unless it's dead. Turtle you're making this way too hard. Make a bubbler and put the water level just below the stem Leave this on 24/7. If the leaves start curling (mine did) it's too much light. The bubbler can be just plain water. In 7-9 days you will see roots or root buds. There is a picture of the one I made for $12 on my grow thread. So do a bunch of different things to see which ones you like best. Zandor always says if this is your first time grow, put a few in dirt, till you get the hydro worked out. In my grow I have 5 soil and 5 hydro. I already know how to grow and hydro is keeping me really busy. The soil plants are alot easier.

Powder Puff

02-09-2006, 05:04 PM

Thanks for the uplifting words pPuff... but don't worry, after +$4,000 invested, this plants WILL flower... Even if I have to stick GH nutes down their stems with a syringe.... I am NOT kidding... they WILL grow!

WUHUUU!!!!! Thanks pPuff, :D
In honor of your name, I will go now have a "Puff" of some good chronic I scored... and, completing your name, it will be a "Power Puff" !!!! LOL!!!! :D

Best pPuff,

-turtle420 :cool:
.

Good!:D

Wow.. +4,000.. wow.. I spent about 300Â£Â£ on mine.. lol!:)

I'll be getting upgrades soon enough though..!:)

Power Puff.. That was my initial name.. But, I did something, and never fully registered.. So, I just became Powder Puff!:D lol

Just keep trying.. Over and over..:) I wasted 18 good seeds on my first attempts..! lol..:p:o

Gen

02-10-2006, 07:07 AM

Turtle, are you okay? Maybe I was a little too harsh. The clones will be fine.

Crimsondane

02-10-2006, 07:09 AM

whoa, i just read the first 10 pages or so and im really impressed with your grow., more pics more pics,
im on my first grow as welland about 3 weeks into flower, but i dont have a camera, but thinking about getting one with tax rebate
anyways i skipped to the last pages and saw you had cloning probs and bugs

all i can say about the cloning is dont use alotta light. really dark is the way to gojust till roots form, ,
and are you using a rooting gel or similar rooting compound?
i have fallin in love with your style, though i havent read the middle end stuff yet
KEEP THE FAITH!!

Crimsondane

Crimsondane

02-10-2006, 07:12 AM

yeah this is my 2nd post, ive just found this place a few days ago with OG.com going down. but after some surfing here its just about the same.
so ill keep watchin and posting ..

turtle420

02-10-2006, 02:14 PM

Turtle, are you okay? Maybe I was a little too harsh. The clones will be fine.
Hello Gen... :)

Nah... you weren't too harsh. But, when I read your post, it was like 3:45 in the morning, I had been awake a looong time, and been working on those clones for a long time. So, your information (although perfectly un-biased), was a pretty hard hit with reality for me. I just got frustrated. Not much else I can say.

But don't worry, I won't stop. No way. I'll try this Cloning v3.0 with the fog one more time... if these clones die, then it's off to Gen's simple bubble cloner.

Thanks for the input Gen, even if they're a "hit with reality", please, keep them coming. :) I appreciate it...

yeah this is my 2nd post, ive just found this place a few days ago with OG.com going down. but after some surfing here its just about the same.
so ill keep watchin and posting ..
Hey Crimsondane, good to have you here man :) Both in this thread, and more importantly, in the boards. People here are very friendly :) Wow... both your 2 posts are in my thread... I feel overwelmed... lol ! :) Enjoy your stay! ;)

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UPDATES:::
Mother plants: Well, they're in the mother cab... I've got the four CFLs turned ON. Each CFL is 42Watts... they're "comparable" to a 200W incandescent. Mothers seem to be doing fine. Keeping a close eye on them... don't want anything bad happening...

CLONES: The clones are looking fine. The CFL I'm using is a "daylight" reading light... it's rated for 60 watts (I think) and it consumes 10Watts... so you can imagine the "punnyness" of the light. Anyways, the clones are fine. Their leaves haven't wilted, everything is fine.

The NutraMist is being turned ON for 1 minute, every 9 minutes. I tried to leave it ON constantly, but it was impossible. I mean, the cabinet got filled up with fog... fog started pouring out by the seams, sides, the Dayton on top... it was a disaster. So, it's 1minON/9minOFF now. The Dayton fan isn't turned ON all the time, it turns ON for 4 minutes every 30 minutes.

Temps hovering around the low 80's... Hopefully they'll work.

I'll post pics later today. :)

Thanks for everything my good friends,

-turtle420 :cool:
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BukDatAss

02-10-2006, 05:56 PM

Turtle I wanted to do some mothers with my next grow.. My question is about how many 42w CFLs would I need to keep about 3 mothers in a cab. I always wanted to know how do you control the height of a mother in a constant veg stage? Nice to hear you back in Biz. I really hope you pull this one off. I think you'll do just fine you are learning alot from your mistakes (and so is everyone else):thumbsup: and with that you will only do more of a positive effect on your upcoming grows. I'm pretty sure that there are few people that have tried all this you have done on there 1st grow and from what everyone sees your doing a damn good job :thumbsup: keep it up

turtle420

02-10-2006, 06:36 PM

^^^^ Buk,
Thanks for the words man!
BTW: You got time for some Halo now?

As to the 42W CFLs for the Mothers... I trully am not sure. I placed 4 of those (42W) because I had them, and the sockets. I figured, if I don't need that many, I can turn OFF one, or two. But I trully don't know how many are needed.

As to the mothers, I'd really like the input (I think it deserves a new thread) from JustAseed... his mothers are exactly what I would like. I kept mine @ a small height, but, they're not, um, "organized"...

Arghh... my hard disk is making noises... better back-up everything.

I'll reload in 10,

-turtle420 :cool:
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Gen

02-12-2006, 06:29 AM

turtle420

02-12-2006, 08:07 AM

Turtle, I'm glad you're back.

I just read in the Big Book of Buds, that white widow needs to be changed to 8 hours of light last two weeks of flowering in order to halt regrowth on the buds and produce just enough stress to coax out the maximum amount of sticky resin per inch. Also the greenhouse (whoever they are they have the best seeds) recommends light water and light nutes. I've been pushing water with my plants. Time to cut back.

Clones are very hardy, people do chop off leaves and they grow just fine. So I was bad in criticizing you. Sorry. Here's to a great grow.
Hey G,
:) Thanks for posting :)
That White Widow information is super interesting... I didn't know that... and here I was going, about to do my thing with the plants... and no idea what they needed... lol ;)
So, intersting White Widow grow pointers:::
1. Last 2 weeks, 8 hours of light... for a 8/16 light schedule
2. Light watering
3. Light nutrients

That sounds good :) Thanks! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

As to your being "bad in criticizing" me, don't worry Gen. I trully know your intentions are the best... I've got no doubt. And I preffer being told about reality than being lied to with a fairy tale... so, you did absolutely the right thing... now I learned for my next clones! :)

The current clones are doing good... I finally understood the idea of a "weak" light for the clones... damn, it has to be weeeaaaakkk in order to work. Anyways, weak CFL is turned ON, and clones seem to be doing good. I say they're doing good because, well, I don't see them doing "bad". They're still standing straight up (except one, it's a little tilted), their leaves haven't withered/coiled, etc. They look good ! :) :D :) ;)

I'm looking for the roots all the time, but so far, no roots. But no worries, they'll come! :)

I'm still trying to figure out my pest control with CO2. I posted over in the Advanced Section, but no answer. I'll bump it in about a week. I was thinking of killing my pests by "suffocating" them with high CO2 levels. I think that's the best because it'll be the fastest, cleanest, easiest and most effective pest control. I think. I hope. :)

Best everybody, love to all,

-turtle420 :cool:
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turtle420

02-12-2006, 03:05 PM

Clones seem to be doing fine. No root bumps yet.

Mothers inside cabinet... :( poor things. The picture is from day 121, today would be day 122 for them. I watered them today... poor things :(

Going to see if tomorrow I can get a cheap CO2 tank... maybe from a paintball store? gonna kill the pests... :D

BkSkillz

02-12-2006, 03:52 PM

looking good turtle..keep it up bro!

Powder Puff

02-12-2006, 10:06 PM

You forgot to water again??:rolleyes:

Harvesthetic

02-13-2006, 02:07 AM

hi turtle, maybe if you have any more troubles with the clones, don't despair m8 :) maybe clip a few more clones, you've still got the mothers rights? to be on the safe side, trim the leaves, cut off about 15-20% off the big fan leaves on your clones, snip at 45% angle with alcohol-rinced scissors or knife (i know you know this :)) and lettem root maybe in some rockwool, it ain't too expensive and i've just raised 15 clones this way.. i'll include a pic
on your thread: nice work man, you've come a log way. :thumbsup:
grrreetings

Gen

02-13-2006, 02:45 AM

Harvesthetic, What kind of grow bags are those?

turtle, Zandor uses CO2 and does just that raises the co2 level and kills the buggers. What kind of bugs do you have? fungal gnats? spider mites? Well the co2 will get them. Nursery supplers have co2 tanks for sale.

And thanks.

Gen

02-13-2006, 02:49 AM

Harvesthetic

02-13-2006, 03:06 AM

Another weird thing. The white widow were pretty skunky for about 5 days and now they only have a slight odor. I have not done anything different. When they smelled really bad I turned on the $20 Holmes air cleaner from walmart and that worked pretty good. I put my first clones in too much light and they curled. Then I put them in no light and they straightened out. Really interesting stuff.
exactly what i'm experiencing with my white widows :) (both 1st grow & scrog)
it's a normal thing i guess. i've noticed, when the foliage is healthy at the fullest, the stench is amazing in the white widow strain. when you cut the clones, they smell, when you grow them, after a week they turn odourless, and then again they smell :confused: :)
and those aren't grow bags... :p I could only fix 2 square metres of thermal foil.
these are half plastic bottles with aluminium foil wrapped around them hehe.

Gen

02-13-2006, 03:58 AM

Very clever havesthetic. I thought they were some new age technology.

Turtle, I took a look at justaseed's photo and I know how you can keep bonzai moms. When I started my hydro plants I used a 30w circular bulb for my lights. The plants grew amazingly slow and low. I couldn't believe the difference. I thougt at first it was because of the hydro, but I now realize it's all about the lights. They were like minature bonzai seedlings and the leaves were tiny. I couldn't believe these were started at the same time as my soil grow. I am astounded. My soil plants were under a 65 w fluoro called fluorex . The soil got twice the amount of light, plus they were going outside every day. The hydro plants were too hard to move and stayed under the 30 w 24/7. To get them to grow, I had to switch to the 65 w lamp to supplement for continuous lights. They went outside too. Now they are growing amazingly well. I thought I had stunted their growth because they still are much shorter than the soil grow. I still vegging them till the soil grow finishes.

BukDatAss

02-13-2006, 04:08 AM

I'm glad your learning how to:pimp: them clones:p

turtle420

02-13-2006, 02:42 PM

Thanks Bk! :)

You forgot to water again??:rolleyes:
Didn't "forget", but got there about 2 hours late... the girls are waaay too temperamental.

you've still got the mothers rights? to be on the safe side, trim the leaves, cut off about 15-20% off the big fan leaves on your clones, snip at 45% angle with alcohol-rinced scissors or knife (i know you know this :)) and lettem root maybe in some rockwool, it ain't too expensive and i've just raised 15 clones this way.. i'll include a pic
on your thread: nice work man, you've come a log way. :thumbsup:
grrreetings
Hey Harvestic :)
Yes, I still got the mothers... hopefully, for years to come. :D
As to the 45% angle, yes I knew that... but I didn't know the alcohol-rinsed scissor thing... Every little bit helps! I'm doing that for my next cuttings. Thanks!
Thread: Thanks man. It's all been the boards. People here are great! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: to everyone here...

turtle, Zandor uses CO2 and does just that raises the co2 level and kills the buggers. What kind of bugs do you have? fungal gnats? spider mites? Well the co2 will get them. Nursery supplers have co2 tanks for sale.
Hey G, ! :)
I don't know the names of the pests, but there are three kinds in there.. you can check the pictures in this thread's last page... or the page before that. I think one of them is Spider Mites. I think. Anyways, I'll enjoy doing the CO2 thing... Ohhh yeah...
And np. ;)

Another weird thing. The white widow were pretty skunky for about 5 days and now they only have a slight odor. I have not done anything different. When they smelled really bad I turned on the $20 Holmes air cleaner from walmart and that worked pretty good. I put my first clones in too much light and they curled. Then I put them in no light and they straightened out. Really interesting stuff.

exactly what i'm experiencing with my white widows :) (both 1st grow & scrog)
it's a normal thing i guess. i've noticed, when the foliage is healthy at the fullest, the stench is amazing in the white widow strain. when you cut the clones, they smell, when you grow them, after a week they turn odourless, and then again they smell :confused: :)
and those aren't grow bags... :p I could only fix 2 square metres of thermal foil.
these are half plastic bottles with aluminium foil wrapped around them hehe.
Yeah! I don't know if it's the White Widow strain, or just weed plants in general (I would believe all weed plants), but they act like that. They very, um, "re-active".

And the thing about the skunky smell... I thought I was crazy, but your experiences have confirmed it. Mine have done the same. Sometimes they wake up in the mood, and the smell a little... mmm :) Then, the smell goes away... hmmm... Interesting stuff, definitely!

Clones are looking good... which is to say, they're looking exactly the same way they did yesterday, which is the same way the looked the 1st day I cut them. So, all in all, I guess those are good signs. I've been looking closely at the "roots", and the "root" ball at the end of the stem has already started to form... I guess the tiny root hairs should be coming in no time at all... I hope.

I'm really eager to start the GH vegetative feeding schedule on them... And I'm really eager to smoke my home grown buds... and I'm really eager to get money out of those buds... and really eager to... you get the idea... :)

Thanks guys! Love to all,

-turtle420 :cool:
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turtle420

02-13-2006, 02:44 PM

Turtle, I took a look at justaseed's photo and I know how you can keep bonzai moms. When I started my hydro plants I used a 30w circular bulb for my lights. The plants grew amazingly slow and low. I couldn't believe the difference. I thougt at first it was because of the hydro, but I now realize it's all about the lights. They were like minature bonzai seedlings and the leaves were tiny. I couldn't believe these were started at the same time as my soil grow. I am astounded. My soil plants were under a 65 w fluoro called fluorex . The soil got twice the amount of light, plus they were going outside every day. The hydro plants were too hard to move and stayed under the 30 w 24/7. To get them to grow, I had to switch to the 65 w lamp to supplement for continuous lights. They went outside too. Now they are growing amazingly well. I thought I had stunted their growth because they still are much shorter than the soil grow. I still vegging them till the soil grow finishes.
Question...
When you say 30W circular bulb... it's the flourescent, that's like a 8", or 10" or 12" diameter bulb? Hmmm... interesting.

My mothers, the cabinet has four 42Watt("200W") CFLs in there... but I've only got turned ON two of them... it was too much light. I believe. They seem to be doing fine.

:)

Gen

02-13-2006, 03:25 PM

Hi turtle,

Glad to hear clones are thriving. Yes, you're right the bulb is circular. Here's a photo. I spent $10 for the bulb and fixture. The important fact is not to give them very much light. If you already have fluoros, keep the plants 18-24 inches away from fluoro light source. In the pictures the hydro grow is the same age as soil. Compare the sizes. I was shocked at the time. I was thinking, oh no, I screwed up my hydro.

I am going to make some ww seeds in case of emergencies. Supposedly, male plants can be kept alive by sitting next to a window in weak light far away from females. This same place would not be able to support female mj growth. I will keep a good male in a large storage bin, just till I can get pollen for a female. The storage bin will prevent pollen from escaping. Another tidbit I read, would you want to sleep with your sister? Well, don't inbred your plants either. We have no way of knowing if our seeds are from the same parents.

Be safe. You're doing great!

BukDatAss

02-13-2006, 04:56 PM

Gen

02-13-2006, 07:14 PM

Buk, is that a picture of you as a baby? I've been dying to ask.

ok, for the sake of bukdatass' sanity, I will not talk about clones.

turtle420

02-13-2006, 07:18 PM

Nice I need to get on this clone stuff ASAP

uhhh but that means more building(saw,wood, screws) more electricity work more crap but then that means good buds easier faster process..... Man I need to do this:D
Dude, clones is the way to go!

Buk, is that a picture of you as a baby? I've been dying to ask.

ok, for the sake of bukdatass' sanity, I will not talk about clones.
Nope... it's a picture of his baby! :) Cool eh?!

That kid is going to be a pimp. I'm telling you, he has back-up all over the globe... me over here... Powder Puff over in Europe... Yeah... Buk, we'll send his xMas present next year... no miss. :)

-turtle420 :cool:
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BkSkillz

02-14-2006, 12:34 AM

i aggree with the clone talk a must for any grower loken to cut corners..im getten bored myseld gonna take 2 or 4 more clones later tonight..

BukDatAss

02-14-2006, 02:48 AM

LOL yeah BK go clone crazy

Turtle LOL no man thats not my son LOL:D I dont know if you notice the baby in the picture is blowing out smokeLOL Nah Man thats not my son, your funny..:D
But he said thanks for the support anywayz hes 3:thumbsup:

turtle420

02-15-2006, 09:59 PM

Turtle LOL no man thats not my son LOL:D I dont know if you notice the baby in the picture is blowing out smokeLOL Nah Man thats not my son, your funny..:D
But he said thanks for the support anywayz hes 3:thumbsup:
LOL! Buk, I'm sorry man... I thought I saw you write that your new avatar was your son... my bad. :) I can't see the smoke in the baby's pic...

In any case, our offer still stands... your kid, has global back-up man :D

I don't know him, but I hope I can give him $100 in the future so he has a nice time with one of his girlfriends... :) I hope I had an uncle like that...

Anyways,
CLONE UPDATE::: Day 7

Clones looking good... as always, no signs of change are being taken as good signs.
Now, there's an actual good sign of change... there was one corner clone that was kind of tilted, I think because of the weight of the leaves... Anyways, it's now standing up... :) All of them are standing up. Good green colors.
ROOTS: You can see the small root-ball at the end of the clone growing... it has these tiny-ass little micro-root-hairs growing... so I guess that's also a good sign.

I need to get these flowering ASAP. I need money... I'm not scrunching money or anything, but... I'd like to buy some toys before summer... and I like to generate that $ from these girls... Arghhhh...

In any event, I'm really happy to have the clones actually growing fine and dandy.

My question::: It's day 7... when should I start the vegetative cycle nutes? They still seem too small for nutrients... they have no roots yet... hmm... plus, I'm wondering when will I turn ON the 400W MH... I guess in about 7 more days... they seem too fragile right now... and they seem quite happy with their low CFL light.

Input welcomed guys (and girls!), thanks! :D

-turtle420 :cool:
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mand

02-16-2006, 12:15 AM

Hello Turtle :) You know I keep looking at this journal and I keep trying to think of something usefull or constructive to say but in all honesty you have gone way over my head with what you are doing :o

Shall I tell you who you are reminding me of ................ Latewood ;)
He's a really nice guy and a great grower but he goes over my head as well, all really technical and likes experimenting and trying different things.

Do you know you guys are making me feel all kinda .......... well a bit thick :o

I'm just waiting to see those buds love ;) :)

love mand xxx:)

Gen

02-16-2006, 01:18 AM

Turtle, as long as their loving their clf's, let them stay. If they start looking a little pale green, give them some very weak nutes. Are you spraying them? I always mist with weak ferts. Two of the clones I put in the dark for a few days, the centers turned yellow and the outter leaf was still green. I moved this pair next to a window and it greened back up.

If you give them light right now, they will burn up all the sugar stored in the leaves and turn yellow and die. Don't give them bright light until they develop roots. When I start to see roots, I give them a weak nute.

Hang in there Mand. Some of us have more experience than others (we make mistakes too) and some of us just have too much time on our hands. (That would be me.)