Suit Filed to Halt New Orleans Gun Seizures

[pisshead]

Suit Filed to Halt New Orleans Gun Seizures

Newsmax | September 22 2005 (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/21/200219.shtml)

The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and National Rifle Association (NRA) joined with individual gun owners in Louisiana Thursday morning, filing a motion in United States District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana seeking a temporary restraining order to stop authorities in and around the City of New Orleans from seizing firearms from private citizens in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Arbitrary gun seizures, without warrant or probable cause, have been reported during the past three weeks since the Crescent City was devastated by the hurricane. In cases reported to SAF, police refused to give citizens receipts for their seized firearms. Earlier, SAF insisted that police account for all seized firearms, disclose their whereabouts, and explain how they will be returned to their rightful owners. Authorities have not responded.

Gun confiscations have been highly publicized since the New York Times quoted New Orleans Police Superintendent P. Edwin Compass III, who said, "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," and ABC News quoted Deputy Police Chief Warren Riley stating, "No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons."

For example, a San Francisco, CA camera crew from KTVU filmed one incident in which visiting California Highway Patrol officers tackled an elderly woman identified as Patricia Konie, to seize her pistol and forcibly remove her from her home. An ABC news crew accompanying an Oklahoma National Guard unit filmed another incident in which homeowners were handcuffed and disarmed, then released but without their firearms.
"We are delighted to work jointly with the NRA in an effort to bring these outrageous gun seizures to a halt," said SAF founder Alan M. Gottlieb. "Our inquiries about these confiscations were cavalierly ignored, as were our demands for a public explanation from the police and city officials about why citizens were being unlawfully disarmed, leaving them defenseless against lingering bands of looters and thugs.

"New Orleans officials left us with no recourse," Gottlieb observed. "It was bad enough that Big Easy residents were victims of the worst natural disaster in the nation's history. That they would be subsequently victimized by their own local government, taking their personal property without warrant, is unconscionable. These illegal gun seizures must be stopped, now."

[andruejaysin]

I guess I'm one of those left wing nuts who believes in all the amendments, including the second.

[bhallg2k]

I guess I'm one of those left wing nuts who believes in all the amendments, including the second.

Not me! :)

I say, repeal the fucker. Its time has come and gone.

[hempity]

Not me! :)

I say, repeal the fucker. Its time has come and gone.

from memory
" a well regulated milita being NESSESARY to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infrindged"

pretty close right, cause it makes sense.
in hitlers land only the cops had guns.
it has always seemed strange to me that a government thinks it can take guns away from people who make them.
i was taught to make gun power when i was 7, still make it sometimes, it is fun in the winter, lights up the sky.
what will we do when they figure out, it is our minds that make us dangerous

[Psycho4Bud]

from memory
" a well regulated milita being NESSESARY to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infrindged"

pretty close right, cause it makes sense.
in hitlers land only the cops had guns.
it has always seemed strange to me that a government thinks it can take guns away from people who make them.
i was taught to make gun power when i was 7, still make it sometimes, it is fun in the winter, lights up the sky.
what will we do when they figure out, it is our minds that make us dangerous

How bout when your trying to do rescue operations and your being fired on? The ones that aren't bangers will get theirs back....unless you WANT gang bangers shooting at Guardsmen?

[bhallg2k]

Oh, gangbangers shouldn't have guns either.

Everyone should just throw stones.

[amsterdam]

ever notice that the palestinian kids throw at a much higher arch than the protestant kids in Northern Ireland who throw line drives??>

kids are great!

[hempity]

How bout when your trying to do rescue operations and your being fired on? The ones that aren't bangers will get theirs back....unless you WANT gang bangers shooting at Guardsmen?



wasn't going to answer, but these old fingers need the practice.

first off, i don't believe everything the news tells me, these gang bangers as you call them, may well live where these good guys are rescuing people, so i don't believe that they would not want their homies rescued.

I remember the watts riot, i was down there then, i saw first hand what the national guard did, i was alive when kent state happened i saw what the national guard did, the last time i was in portland oregon 35 of us were pulled over, because i would not wear a helmut, the national guard came with full autos and watched as the cops took pictures of all of us, we were the gang bangers of yesterday.
Now even jay leno rides a harley (lol) makes a joke out of what was once really special.
In my whole life, i have never seen a cop help a person, have no friends they have helped, the only time i have talked to them was to find out where they were holding my friends, or to get out of jail myself.
you can believe that the cops, guard and army are there to help you, i happen to know better, they will run over your ass getting out the door or city before you, they are in it to save themselves and the ones they care for.

[pisshead]

and he completely ignores how EVERYONE is being disarmed...disarming EVERYONE doesn't equal safety...gotta love the neo-cons...

as if the 'bangers' will voluntarily give up their guns to begin with...he'd rather disarm my family and myself so we are helpless...

[Psycho4Bud]

wasn't going to answer, but these old fingers need the practice.

first off, i don't believe everything the news tells me, these gang bangers as you call them, may well live where these good guys are rescuing people, so i don't believe that they would not want their homies rescued.

I remember the watts riot, i was down there then, i saw first hand what the national guard did, i was alive when kent state happened i saw what the national guard did, the last time i was in portland oregon 35 of us were pulled over, because i would not wear a helmut, the national guard came with full autos and watched as the cops took pictures of all of us, we were the gang bangers of yesterday.
Now even jay leno rides a harley (lol) makes a joke out of what was once really special.
In my whole life, i have never seen a cop help a person, have no friends they have helped, the only time i have talked to them was to find out where they were holding my friends, or to get out of jail myself.
you can believe that the cops, guard and army are there to help you, i happen to know better, they will run over your ass getting out the door or city before you, they are in it to save themselves and the ones they care for.

I watched a special on that the other night. They didn't only have N.O. bangers in town but some from as far as Miami all in town for the same purpose; looting. There were actual turf wars going on there. I've spent a bit of time in N.O. and I do believe that they did have trouble with the bangers. VERY previlant!!

I know what ya mean about the cops but like all others, there are good ones and all the others. As for myself, I ride a Heritage Softtail Classic so I understand where your coming from. The law doesn't really appreciate bikers or what they have on their back...I'm sure you know where I'm coming from.

Well, take a hit for you and a hit for me and if we seem to disagree, take a hit for you and a hit for me! :D

[Psycho4Bud]

and he completely ignores how EVERYONE is being disarmed...disarming EVERYONE doesn't equal safety...gotta love the neo-cons...

as if the 'bangers' will voluntarily give up their guns to begin with...he'd rather disarm my family and myself so we are helpless...

Were you born a whiney little bitch or just grow into it? :D

[bhallg2k]

As for myself, I ride a Heritage Softtail Classic...

Way off topic, but that's the most beautiful machine on two wheels.

[Psycho4Bud]

Way off topic, but that's the most beautiful machine on two wheels.

Why thank you!!! I bought her back in "97" and fell in love on the first ride. When me and the ex-wife went through our final hearing I ran into her and her new boyfriend. He was trying to give me a lil' shit so I told him " You got the bitch and I kept the bike, who do you think ended up with the better ride?" Ol' boy looked pissed....he was HOPING it would be awarded to her! NOT!!!

Have a good one!! :D

[hempity]

I watched a special on that the other night. They didn't only have N.O. bangers in town but some from as far as Miami all in town for the same purpose; looting. There were actual turf wars going on there. I've spent a bit of time in N.O. and I do believe that they did have trouble with the bangers. VERY previlant!!

I know what ya mean about the cops but like all others, there are good ones and all the others. As for myself, I ride a Heritage Softtail Classic so I understand where your coming from. The law doesn't really appreciate bikers or what they have on their back...I'm sure you know where I'm coming from.

Well, take a hit for you and a hit for me and if we seem to disagree, take a hit for you and a hit for me! :D
just because you ride some fancy new harley don't make nothin' to me, my first bike was a 1938 ul flathead that i rode on the alcan before they paved it, i worked for harley from '86 to '90 trying to help them with their image. I made the first rockin' harleys ever made, sold over a thousand of them in the first week.
harley ain't nothing to me, vaugh beals still owns the company, he also owns american machine and foundry (AMF) he is an asshole and all his upper boys are lawyers.
anyone can ride a harley these days, but they gotta wear a helmut, and my head don't fit in some goddamn lame ass helmut.

i know that a lot of folks don't practice what they preach, some of us do.
I have not driven for over 15 years, the last time i drove was just after they passed the stupid helmut laws on the west coast, after 143 tickets for no helmut, and cancellation of my insurance, i quit.
refusing to drive is my protest, and one of my gifts to my grandchildren's children, it is hard to have to get rides the 65 km. to town for groceries and doctors visits, but it is harder to accept blame for destruction of my planets atmosphere.
people just have to stop driving everywhere, or at least demand better gas milage, cars have the same gas milage that they have had for decades, how the hell is that possible?

[Psycho4Bud]

just because you ride some fancy new harley don't make nothin' to me, my first bike was a 1938 ul flathead that i rode on the alcan before they paved it, i worked for harley from '86 to '90 trying to help them with their image. I made the first rockin' harleys ever made, sold over a thousand of them in the first week.
harley ain't nothing to me, vaugh beals still owns the company, he also owns american machine and foundry (AMF) he is an asshole and all his upper boys are lawyers.
anyone can ride a harley these days, but they gotta wear a helmut, and my head don't fit in some goddamn lame ass helmut.

Not trying to impress you or anyone else, just yappin' with bhallg2k. As for the helmet, I'm with ya on that! I'm fortunate enough to be in a no helmet state so it's cool....just surrounded by the helmet law with the other states!

i know that a lot of folks don't practice what they preach, some of us do.
I have not driven for over 15 years, the last time i drove was just after they passed the stupid helmut laws on the west coast, after 143 tickets for no helmut, and cancellation of my insurance, i quit.
refusing to drive is my protest, and one of my gifts to my grandchildren's children, it is hard to have to get rides the 65 km. to town for groceries and doctors visits, but it is harder to accept blame for destruction of my planets atmosphere.
people just have to stop driving everywhere, or at least demand better gas milage, cars have the same gas milage that they have had for decades, how the hell is that possible?

Talk the talk, ya walk the walk. Someone that lives up to their convictons....very rare these days!! Have a good one! :D

[hempity]

Talk the talk, ya walk the walk. Someone that lives up to their convictons....very rare these days!! Have a good one! :D

believe me, it tore my heart apart to give up my '83 flhp, even more so to give up on a company i supported since i was 16, and more still to lose the wind in my hair, and the thrill of the open road. But I won't support lawyers and assholes that only use the people for money, and put out an inferior product because it is cost effective.

[pisshead]

this will probably upset the neo-cons...

Major Victory For Firearms Owners And Freedom In Louisiana

NRA-ILA | September 24 2005 (http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Releases.aspx?ID=6539)

The United States District Court for the Eastern District in Louisiana today sided with the National Rifle Association (NRA) and issued a restraining order to bar further gun confiscations from peaceable and law-abiding victims of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

â??This is a significant victory for freedom and for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The courtâ??s ruling is instant relief for the victims who now have an effective means of defending themselves from the robbers and rapists that seek to further exploit the remnants of their shattered lives,â?� said NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre.

Joining LaPierre in hailing the U.S. District Court decision was NRA chief lobbyist Chris W. Cox. â??This is an important victory. But the battle is not over. The NRA will remedy state emergency statutes in all 50 states, if needed, to ensure that this injustice does not happen again."

The controversy erupted when The New York Times reported, the New Orleans superintendent of police directed that no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to have guns and that â??only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons.â?� ABC News quoted New Orleansâ?? deputy police chief, saying, â??No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons.â?�

The NRA also pledged that it will continue its work to ensure that every single firearm arbitrarily and unlawfully seized under this directive is returned to the rightful law-abiding owner.

[Psycho4Bud]

The United States District Court for the Eastern District in Louisiana today sided with the National Rifle Association (NRA) and issued a restraining order to bar further gun confiscations from peaceable and law-abiding victims of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

Exactly the way it should have been worded! :D