"THE SEALED ROOM" 3lbs A LIGHT

[fredfarts]

pf2 equalizer
I thought these were snake oil????

Do they Really work??

[harris7]

interesting. I had my light timer between my ballast and bulb for a little while. now it dosn't work. could the current (240v) have fried it?

[merlockian]

this is utter madness, maybe one day i too will be able to grow like this!

[pmorris]

Tranoble: lets see some new pics maybe some finished product :) Q: I know 85-86F is the optimum temp while CO2/lights are on, but what temp would you recommend for night.

[Racerx]

Tranoble. I cannot find whether this was mentioned, but how long do you use Growth Excel? Into flowering? For how long into flowering? I am using it on some veg plants now but I have some about 6 weeks into flowering and wondering if they would benefit from it? Do you use the 2ml per litre they say on the box?

[harris7]

I think that i've read that using growth excel during bloom phase will make fluffy buds. Cant say i've tried it myself

[Tranoble]

What type of timer are you using? I use a T-104 timer it can handle upto 8 ballast at once. You probably wired your ballast wrong or you have fried your timer. Easyiest thing to do if you dont know how to wire ballast is take it to a local hydro store. Get them to wire it.


interesting. I had my light timer between my ballast and bulb for a little while. now it dosn't work. could the current (240v) have fried it?

[Tranoble]

6 light room is in day 1 of second week of bud. 8 light room just planted. I will post some pics soon.


Tranoble: lets see some new pics maybe some finished product :) Q: I know 85-86F is the optimum temp while CO2/lights are on, but what temp would you recommend for night.

[Tranoble]

I use it every day. If its to costly for you at least use it till you flip into bud. As for how much to use off hand i think it's 5mil per liter. And it comes in a bottle not a box. It's liquid not powder.


Tranoble. I cannot find whether this was mentioned, but how long do you use Growth Excel? Into flowering? For how long into flowering? I am using it on some veg plants now but I have some about 6 weeks into flowering and wondering if they would benefit from it? Do you use the 2ml per litre they say on the box?

[Tranoble]

You heard wrong.


I think that i've read that using growth excel during bloom phase will make fluffy buds. Cant say i've tried it myself

[harris7]

Thanks thats good to know, i'm using it now for veg phase. Do you spray the buds directly or just the fan leafs when it's in bud phase?

My plants are looking great and the growth amazes me, they've doubled in size (about inch now) in only 7 days. They are clones.

BTW i had my ballast wired by the hydro shop so it's not the problem. I just think the timers wern't built for 240V and got fried. What ever i'll just take em back.

thanks again

[dBOSS]

hey tranoble, i found another LR 1000 and its made by ELD
http://www.progressive-growth.com/proddetail.php?prod=38000

are you using the bell Lighting LR 1000 or the ELD 1000 LR?

[pmorris]

hey tranoble, i found another LR 1000 and its made by ELD
http://www.progressive-growth.com/proddetail.php?prod=38000

are you using the bell Lighting LR 1000 or the ELD 1000 LR?


take the time to read the thread..... it says which one he is using on the very first page....

And the reflectors are not made by ELD... they are made in by Bell Lighting.

[Racerx]

I use it every day. If its to costly for you at least use it till you flip into bud. As for how much to use off hand i think it's 5mil per liter. And it comes in a bottle not a box. It's liquid not powder.

yes that is what I meant, bottle. Its not to expensive for me. I too am curious whether you try to avoid spraying the actual buds and just the leafs, or just mist em. I am making the assumption that you mist everything because of the size and configuration your running. So how long before harvest do you stop? Up to the final day? I have some girls who are about 2-3 weeks from being picked, is it worth spraying them? No affect to the taste or anything?

its very hard to find info about Excel, even on the Advanced boards.

[lowryderulez]

B-E-A-UTIFUL

[pmorris]

at the latest stop foliar feeding 2 weeks before harvest

[Tranoble]

I mist over the plants with the growth excel. Never been worried about misting the buds. Just make sure you mist right when the lights come on or just before. Do not mist after the lights have been on . You will burn ur plants. I stop using it same with 2 weeks left same with the Big Bud. If you are looking for info on Growth Excel look up Growth Plus made by Grow Tek. Its the same stuff.


yes that is what I meant, bottle. Its not to expensive for me. I too am curious whether you try to avoid spraying the actual buds and just the leafs, or just mist em. I am making the assumption that you mist everything because of the size and configuration your running. So how long before harvest do you stop? Up to the final day? I have some girls who are about 2-3 weeks from being picked, is it worth spraying them? No affect to the taste or anything?

its very hard to find info about Excel, even on the Advanced boards.

[Tranoble]

I have answered some of your questions in the post above. Glad to see you are liking the stuff. It's amazing. Isnt it. Good luck. Just by using the Growth Excel im sure you will see better results. T-104 timer is a 240v timer try that. Just ask the guy at the hardware store how to wire it. Its pretty easy. If you need help I can post pics of mine.


Thanks thats good to know, i'm using it now for veg phase. Do you spray the buds directly or just the fan leafs when it's in bud phase?

My plants are looking great and the growth amazes me, they've doubled in size (about inch now) in only 7 days. They are clones.

BTW i had my ballast wired by the hydro shop so it's not the problem. I just think the timers wern't built for 240V and got fried. What ever i'll just take em back.

thanks again

[harris7]

i'm just wondering tranoble what kind of lumens/sq ft do you have? I will have 7500lumens/sqft once i get my last light.

thanks

[pmorris]

Tranoble I have a question about your feeding/watering I understand you water everyday. Are you just giving them nutes on monday and the rest of the week ph'd water? Or nutes in every watering? Can you expand a little bit on how you feed/water thx.

[Tranoble]

I feed mostly with food but i give them ph'd water at least once a week. If I have a feeling that they are not taking food well i will feed twice and water once. Just all depends on what im seeing.


Tranoble I have a question about your feeding/watering I understand you water everyday. Are you just giving them nutes on monday and the rest of the week ph'd water? Or nutes in every watering? Can you expand a little bit on how you feed/water thx.

[fredfarts]

Thank you for your time and expertise. Would you please post your feelings and experiances with Humbolts Bushmaster. i have a stretch problem. I am trying to get the day night temps even and I do use 1000watters aircooled about 10 inchs from the plants. I grow BB. I am considering a coliseum grow soon also. I am reading that Bushmaster is the prouduct I need??? Your feelings please??

[Tranoble]

I have never heard of buchmaster. I keep my temps at 85 lights on and 75 lights off. If you have any more than 10 degree drop you will get stretched plants. I find that 10 degrees is a good number.

[harris7]

Hey tranoble, a question about growth excel. my understanding is that it is a hormone and my question is... does it only affect the surfaces that it is sprayed on, or would misting all the fan leafs still affect the growth tip?

[Racerx]

Hey tranoble, a question about growth excel. my understanding is that it is a hormone and my question is... does it only affect the surfaces that it is sprayed on, or would misting all the fan leafs still affect the growth tip?

its a foliar spray, which merely means that you are giving the plant GEx through the leaves instead of the roots. it still uptakes the stuff like roots would and distributes it to all of the plant.

I will add that anyone considering using this product...should. I followed Tranobles advice and my babes are out of control. A little over 3 weeks old from clone and they are more then 1.5 feet tall, some even 2 feet.

[Chlorella99]

damn nuke boy I have read the first 7 pages will read the rest later but big ups to you for your outstanding growing abils.

[Chlorella99]

I may have missed it being that I'm a retard but what is your soil comp. Nuke?

[Tranoble]

Nuke?

I may have missed it being that I'm a retard but what is your soil comp. Nuke?

[harris7]

are we talking about north Korea?

[JackdaWack]

Thats enough room for the roots? 5inch?

[Racerx]

Thats enough room for the roots? 5inch?

obviously it is if, you read the thread. If there wasnt enough room, do you think he would be growing plants like that? I can attest myself as I have copied tranoble's setup and they are thriving wonderfully. The no drainage seems to be working just fine. Water about every 2 days.

the soil is listed on the first 2 pages.

[Tranoble]

In your picture it dosent look like you lined your table with plastic. If not you might want to do that next time. The wood will probably rot if you dont. I like to see that someone is using my info. Let me know if you need any more help. Good luck.

Oh yeah I just realized that im using a different food schedule now. I will post the new food schedule in the next hour.


obviously it is if, you read the thread. If there wasnt enough room, do you think he would be growing plants like that? I can attest myself as I have copied tranoble's setup and they are thriving wonderfully. The no drainage seems to be working just fine. Water about every 2 days.

the soil is listed on the first 2 pages.

[johnnyAKABob]

damn that looks good

[Winks]

I've been drooling over your thread for the last 2 days...I'm thinking of using the bed idea for a scrog I have to make really custom to fit the space.

Would coir work as well with the depth of only 5". I don't know how much experience you have with it but I am falling for this as my sole medium. should coir be any deeper? I'm pretty baked right now from the best honey of an oil I've smoked so I hope this isn't a post answered I've skimmed over already.

The only prob I have had with coir is the dry out/dampening off in seed germination...didn't know how this would affect a whole bed in sealed area.

Thanks for bearing with me and I want to give you some great props for plants that looked loved and the best 11 page thread I've read in one sitting.

Hugs and happy tokes,
;)

[Racerx]

In your picture it dosent look like you lined your table with plastic. If not you might want to do that next time. The wood will probably rot if you dont. I like to see that someone is using my info. Let me know if you need any more help. Good luck.

Oh yeah I just realized that im using a different food schedule now. I will post the new food schedule in the next hour.

Tran, they are indeed lined. The soil level drops and compacts when you water it, so the plastic is more exposed now. No water gets between the plastic and wood. Dehumidifier standing ready if its ever needed, but levels are fine right now.

Id love to see that new food schedule. Im playing with Grow, Bloom, Micro, Vita, Big Bud, and Excel. Also that "super soil" crap wasnt used. Its just a bag. I went with Ocean Forest as I have exceptional results from it and it has a good bit of veg nutes.

[Tranoble]

Heres that new food schedule. This alot stronger. Two feeds one water. Two feeds one water. And so on..... This is based on 50 gal Res.


Micro Grow Bloom

WEEK 1 400 200 800

WEEK 2 500 250 1000

WEEK 3 600 300 1200

WEEK 4 700 350 1400

WEEK 5 800 400 1600

WEEK 6 900 450 1800

WEEK 7 1000 500 2000

WEEK 8 WATER

[The_Chronicler]

Hey tranoble,,Im on the same AN recipe. Im using the AN bloom booster instead of Big Bud. The plants are loving their product. I too, are using 5-6" beds of soil. (Drainless) No problems at all. Are you tinkering around with the recipe so as to not go over the total PPM's. ie, raising the Micro, dropping the Grow,,,ect?

[dBOSS]

Heres that new food schedule. This alot stronger. Two feeds one water. Two feeds one water. And so on..... This is based on 50 gal Res.


Micro Grow Bloom

WEEK 1 400 200 800

WEEK 2 500 250 1000

WEEK 3 600 300 1200

WEEK 4 700 350 1400

WEEK 5 800 400 1600

WEEK 6 900 450 1800

WEEK 7 1000 500 2000

WEEK 8 WATER

what about your additives like big bud and all that ?

[Tranoble]

Additives all stay the same.

[Tom Green Thumb]

Tranoble, what difference would it make if you did everything the same but didn't use the sealed room method and Co2? Have you ever done this before and what do you think the decrease in production would be? I am really just curious how much benefit Co2 really has compared to no Co2. I am sure it is a big deal as your crop looks amazing but I thought I would ask your professional opinion. Also, what are your thoughts on Co2 use?

I have read the entire thread from day 1 and I must say it is the best and most informative thread I have read in some time. Thanks for sharing this info with the grow community!

TGT

[Tranoble]

Using this setup and no Co2 would work im just not sure how well. The plants give off Co2 when the lights are out and take it in when the lights are on. With no Co2 burner the plants would not be taking in very much Co2. If your not going to use a Co2 burner you might want to use an intake and out take. The Co2 burner makes a huge difference. If you ask me Co2 burner (with glow plug) and a Co2 computer is a must have. Allso if you are going to use Co2 allways set your PPM on your Co2 computer to the same as your PPM that your food is at.


Tranoble, what difference would it make if you did everything the same but didn't use the sealed room method and Co2? Have you ever done this before and what do you think the decrease in production would be? I am really just curious how much benefit Co2 really has compared to no Co2. I am sure it is a big deal as your crop looks amazing but I thought I would ask your professional opinion. Also, what are your thoughts on Co2 use?

I have read the entire thread from day 1 and I must say it is the best and most informative thread I have read in some time. Thanks for sharing this info with the grow community!

TGT

[Aaron385]

On the topic of CO2 I think I have a good question for you tranoble. But before I pick your brain, I want to say super thanks for this info and I have been able to utilize some of your methods which have proven very valuable to me.

I am using a digital CO2 ppm meter/controller and I am trying to zero in on a final system for enrichment. I have a burner but my cooling system cant handle its operation if I am trying to keep ppms up for the entire light cycle. I can definatly hit target ppms range and I can stay there for a couple hours before the burner heats the room over the air conditioners capacity.

My room is a "sealed" room (thanks to this thread alone by the way), although calling it air tight is kind of pushing it, I have tried to plug every in and out to the room but I can watch the CO2 ppm meter after either a burn or injecting CO2 that the ppms really take a dive as soon as the source is shut off. I can watch humidity and I wish it would take as much of a dive as CO2 does but it does not.. which proves the room is like 99.something% sealed.

I guess what im asking, do you see CO2 ppms take a dive as soon as you shut off your burner? Like if I shut off the burner at a stabilized 1500ppm I can watch ppms dive to 1000ppms in about 5mins. Is this normal? I thought it was a sealing issue but I have "great stuff"'d the hell out every crack and I think its very tight. I would hate to think how fast I would use up CO2 cylinders.. but anyways..

It brings to question, I have read many books which preach the 4 time saturatuon per light cycle method and I havent run into any reputable info that supports a constantly increased ppm steady through the whole light cycle and you are the only one I know that reccomends it. Now, it makes complete sense, and moreover I really respect your insights. Im stuck right now with making a decision to upgrade cooling (buying an even larger AC unit) just to run constant increased ppms or going old school with 4 times a light cycle and I would really apreciate your input.

Your words are like gold to me so I would really appreciate your opinion on this!

[Tranoble]

Your Co2 should never drop to 1000ppm when you have your computer set at 1500ppm. Using the Co2 computer should turn your burner on again as soon as it drops to 1450ppm then when your room gos back up to 1550ppm it will kick off the burner again. You might wanna try putting your Co2 sensor closer to your burner. My sensor is only a few feet away. I use about two 20lb tanks for 6.5 weeks of bud then my Co2 is turned off for the remainder of the bud cycle. What kind of burner are you using? Does your burner have a glow plug or a pilot light? With the sealed room you must use a burner with a glow plug.

Dont worry about sealing your room so tight. Plastic and tape is enough. For your heat problem you burner might not be big enough for the size of your room. I allways buy a bigger burner so my room fills up with Co2 faster causing less heat. Buying a bigger burner would be cheaper than buying a new A/C.

As for your humidy being high. Do you have a dehumidifer? I am really carefull with my dehumidifer. I use a 40 pint dehumidifer. If the humidity is to low it will dry out your leaves and make them yellow. I try to keep my humidy at about 70-75% when the lights are on. Right now because of the time of year I dont even have my dehumidifer plugged in.

I hope I have answered your questions. Im glad to try to help you out. Good luck.


On the topic of CO2 I think I have a good question for you tranoble. But before I pick your brain, I want to say super thanks for this info and I have been able to utilize some of your methods which have proven very valuable to me.

I am using a digital CO2 ppm meter/controller and I am trying to zero in on a final system for enrichment. I have a burner but my cooling system cant handle its operation if I am trying to keep ppms up for the entire light cycle. I can definatly hit target ppms range and I can stay there for a couple hours before the burner heats the room over the air conditioners capacity.

My room is a "sealed" room (thanks to this thread alone by the way), although calling it air tight is kind of pushing it, I have tried to plug every in and out to the room but I can watch the CO2 ppm meter after either a burn or injecting CO2 that the ppms really take a dive as soon as the source is shut off. I can watch humidity and I wish it would take as much of a dive as CO2 does but it does not.. which proves the room is like 99.something% sealed.

I guess what im asking, do you see CO2 ppms take a dive as soon as you shut off your burner? Like if I shut off the burner at a stabilized 1500ppm I can watch ppms dive to 1000ppms in about 5mins. Is this normal? I thought it was a sealing issue but I have "great stuff"'d the hell out every crack and I think its very tight. I would hate to think how fast I would use up CO2 cylinders.. but anyways..

It brings to question, I have read many books which preach the 4 time saturatuon per light cycle method and I havent run into any reputable info that supports a constantly increased ppm steady through the whole light cycle and you are the only one I know that reccomends it. Now, it makes complete sense, and moreover I really respect your insights. Im stuck right now with making a decision to upgrade cooling (buying an even larger AC unit) just to run constant increased ppms or going old school with 4 times a light cycle and I would really apreciate your input.

Your words are like gold to me so I would really appreciate your opinion on this!

[harris7]

A small question. Do you ever worry about having to flush plants using the box method. I wouldn't want to use it because you cannot flush. I guess this isn't a problem cuz you know what your doing, but what about us noobs should we wait till we know what were doing until we use the box?

[Tranoble]

I flush with water for about 10 days. Why would you wait till you know what your doing to use the box method? Its so easy a 9yr old could grow this way.


A small question. Do you ever worry about having to flush plants using the box method. I wouldn't want to use it because you cannot flush. I guess this isn't a problem cuz you know what your doing, but what about us noobs should we wait till we know what were doing until we use the box?

[harris7]

not the final flush, just a normal flush. Say if you over nute. with the box there isn't any way, to my knowledge, to flush out the soil

[Tranoble]

I sometimes I use final flush but i think that stuff might be a rip off. If I feel like my plants have over nute I guess give them water till they look ok again. Some people I know drill a hole in each corner of there table. I get over 2 lbs a light so I dont think this is a problem.


not the final flush, just a normal flush. Say if you over nute. with the box there isn't any way, to my knowledge, to flush out the soil

[pmorris]

not the final flush, just a normal flush. Say if you over nute. with the box there isn't any way, to my knowledge, to flush out the soil

You can flush using soil (medium) just like in hydro, by using phd water.... Where are you getting your infomation?

[Winks]

You can flush using soil (medium) just like in hydro, by using phd water.... Where are you getting your infomation?

Have you not read this thread??

Harris7 was asking about the lack of drainage. I think we know that you can flush using pH'd water. The issue isn't about how to flush..just technically how that would work in a box with no drains....

I"m bitchy and stoned so don't take this the wrong way, I just hate to have tranoble waste time responding to post that has nothing to do with the convo., I"m just eagerly awaiting his response to the flushing/box issue as I truely admire his work.

Also I'm pissed that chat is down...now back to the issue at hand,
Winks

[pmorris]

Have you not read this thread??

Harris7 was asking about the lack of drainage. I think we know that you can flush using pH'd water. The issue isn't about how to flush..just technically how that would work in a box with no drains....

I"m bitchy and stoned so don't take this the wrong way, I just hate to have tranoble waste time responding to post that has nothing to do with the convo., I"m just eagerly awaiting his response to the flushing/box issue as I truely admire his work.

Also I'm pissed that chat is down...now back to the issue at hand,
Winks

you must be really high because having a drain or not you can still flush your plants if you over nute... And that has nothing to do with me reading the thread... I was responding to the guys question after tran answered both of his questions. obviously he didnt know that if you read his first question. "I wouldn't want to use it because you cannot flush." - harris7
has nothing to do with the convo. ?? we are talking about flushing... you chiming in to talk shit has nothing to do with the convo. Maybe you need to read the post and then the response. And think about what you are saying.

[harris7]

I agreed with Winks after I read your thread. If you know how to flush in a box with no drainage… please go on

[pmorris]

You are flushing your plants by feeding them phd water. Having a drain or not doesnt mean anything because if you are watering when the topsoil is dry every 2 -3 days depending what type of soil you are using there will be little to no drainage. In my soil bed i am using sunshine mix #4 also but i do have drains but since i only watering just enough there is never runoff/drainage.

If you have deficiencies or lockouts or tip burn, giving your plants a cycle of plain water pH adjusted to 6.3 will help. you should be letting the plants dry out between waterings/flushings. Its also good to feed / water /water each week to prevent problems. And keep in mind you are flushing your plants not the soil, same thing goes for feeding.. You dont have to have runoff or drainage to flush your plants. You want to be feeding/watering just enough not waterlogging the soil. I hope this make since.

[harris7]

“And keep in mind you are flushing your plants not the soil”

That isn’t my understanding

Flushing say for nute burn, is to remove say nitrogen from the soil so that the plant cannot take up any more.

I had to flush just last week because of a potassium lock up caused by my manure which has to much Na+ in it. So I wanted to remove the salts from the soil, nothing to do with the plant.

[faithlessxxx]

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On a related but somewhat enigmatic note, and after a lot of browsing before I ask, what does a Line Conditioner Voltage Regulator do? How does it work?
And how well?

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[pmorris]

â??And keep in mind you are flushing your plants not the soilâ?�

That isnâ??t my understanding

Flushing say for nute burn, is to remove say nitrogen from the soil so that the plant cannot take up any more.

I had to flush just last week because of a potassium lock up caused by my manure which has to much Na+ in it. So I wanted to remove the salts from the soil, nothing to do with the plant.


Part of flushing is washing the nutes off the roots and removing the nutes from inside the plant with pure water . Giving your plants a cycle of plain water pH adjusted to 6.3 may help with lock out if that is what you are dealing with it's pretty simple.
Adding pH'd water to your medium will bring the medium pH close to that level...the idea behind giving your plants a cycle of plain pH'd water between weekly feedings is to reduce the level of accumulated nutrients that can affect the pH in the medium. Also you should be giving your plants ph'd water once a week to prevent lockout.

[harris7]

I know a fair amount about plant biology and I dont believe that you can remove nutes from inside the plant. The plant has quite a difficult time getting them in, using ion exchange. It is not as simple as changing the concentration on one side of a semipermeable membrane

[Aaron385]

You are correct. It is cool you have taken the time to get to know the osmotic process, a process which even by our modern science is not fully understood.

The "flushing" process is more concerned with providing the plants with pure water which will allow the plant to continue its processes of using up the nutrients it has already absorbed. The remaining nutrients in the plants at this point will have been assimilated into plant matter which will have one of two classifications: mobile and immobile. Immobile are just that, immobile, and they are more or less unaffected by the flush. Mobile nutrients, most notability nitrogen, will be burned up in the plants and this is the key concept to flushing. Getting the nitrogen out will allow the plant matter to cure much faster providing a more pleasurable smoking experience in the minimal amount of cure time. This can easily be accomplished without drainage, however, drainage would provide a way to more easily assure you can get the remaining nutrients out of the grow medium or soil. I would assume the lack of drainage in tranobles situation is potentially the reason he chooses to flush for 10 days (a little longer than normal). Does that answer your question?

Tranoble – Thanks for the answers on my CO2 questions! Let me list out your questions here..

>I use about two 20lb tanks for 6.5 weeks
DAMN! That is a lot of propane! Oh and I wanted to say that I agree on turning the CO2 off for the last week or two.

>What kind of burner are you using? Does your burner have a glow plug or a pilot light?
I have used both bottle injection and a burner, however neither of which is up and running now due to the bottle being used on a keggerator and the temps are like 87F in the room right now without the burner running at all.. Needless to say I’m hoping for an early winter! When I use the burner I have I just walk in the room and light it (I don’t use a pilot light). Half the time the CO2 is pretty high anyways for some unknown reason and only recently have the levels been under a thousand ppm. I live in a manufacturing town, that’s about the only reason I think the ambient CO2 levels are so high, but hell I’m ok with it! I am thinking about setting my digital controller to 1400ppm and hooking up bottle injection with a full bottle of CO2 and see if the bottle lasts long enough to be practical.

>Do you have a dehumidifer? I try to keep my humidy at about 70-75%

Yep, I have the 40 pint model too, and I have it on a timer to come on during the dark cycle only and it keeps the Relative Humidity at about 45-50%. During the light cycle my rooms humidity is only about 45% without the dehumidifier running, I am surprised at how high you run your humidity. Do you use a sulfur burner?

[harris7]

yes and no, I am not talking about the final flush. i'm talking about an emergency flush when you over nute or something. is not the principle behind this to remove the nutes from the soil so the plants uptake will slow? Then it uses the ones up inside the plant and you start it on nutes again...

I know that a final flush can be done because in that case you are just not providing any nutes so the plant will use all the stored ones up, so that no one is smoking nutes.

[Tranoble]

This flush thing is getting out of hand. Im gonna answer this one last time and i hope i dont hear about any more lol. I water with PH'd water ever 3rd watering. For the last 10 days i give my plants straight PH'd water and I flush with Flora Kleen. Im getting allmost 3lb per 1000w light. If im doing something wrong please let me know what i can do to correct this. I know my plants might not get the flush the really need sometimes but there is no way I will soak my beds so much that the water runs out the bottem.


yes and no, I am not talking about the final flush. i'm talking about an emergency flush when you over nute or something. is not the principle behind this to remove the nutes from the soil so the plants uptake will slow? Then it uses the ones up inside the plant and you start it on nutes again...

I know that a final flush can be done because in that case you are just not providing any nutes so the plant will use all the stored ones up, so that no one is smoking nutes.

[Tranoble]

Hi Aaron. I keep my humidity so I high because i find its a find line and I dont want my leaves to dry out. I allways go over kill with everything I do and a 40 pint dehumidifier maybe a little big for the size of my room. I do have a sulfer burner. I used it for powdery mildew. I havent had powdery mildew for a few years so I havent been useing it. I do use it at other places that I have I think that might be because they are at a lower elivation. All in all i dont use it that much. When i do use it i would turn it on for 3hrs when the lights were out.

My Co2 is at 1400PPM at week 4. My Co2 is at 2000PPM right now but tonight i will be turning my Co2 off. I will be giving my plants there last 10 days of water and Flora Kleen(Final Flush).


You are correct. It is cool you have taken the time to get to know the osmotic process, a process which even by our modern science is not fully understood.

The "flushing" process is more concerned with providing the plants with pure water which will allow the plant to continue its processes of using up the nutrients it has already absorbed. The remaining nutrients in the plants at this point will have been assimilated into plant matter which will have one of two classifications: mobile and immobile. Immobile are just that, immobile, and they are more or less unaffected by the flush. Mobile nutrients, most notability nitrogen, will be burned up in the plants and this is the key concept to flushing. Getting the nitrogen out will allow the plant matter to cure much faster providing a more pleasurable smoking experience in the minimal amount of cure time. This can easily be accomplished without drainage, however, drainage would provide a way to more easily assure you can get the remaining nutrients out of the grow medium or soil. I would assume the lack of drainage in tranobles situation is potentially the reason he chooses to flush for 10 days (a little longer than normal). Does that answer your question?

Tranoble â?? Thanks for the answers on my CO2 questions! Let me list out your questions here..

>I use about two 20lb tanks for 6.5 weeks
DAMN! That is a lot of propane! Oh and I wanted to say that I agree on turning the CO2 off for the last week or two.

>What kind of burner are you using? Does your burner have a glow plug or a pilot light?
I have used both bottle injection and a burner, however neither of which is up and running now due to the bottle being used on a keggerator and the temps are like 87F in the room right now without the burner running at all.. Needless to say Iâ??m hoping for an early winter! When I use the burner I have I just walk in the room and light it (I donâ??t use a pilot light). Half the time the CO2 is pretty high anyways for some unknown reason and only recently have the levels been under a thousand ppm. I live in a manufacturing town, thatâ??s about the only reason I think the ambient CO2 levels are so high, but hell Iâ??m ok with it! I am thinking about setting my digital controller to 1400ppm and hooking up bottle injection with a full bottle of CO2 and see if the bottle lasts long enough to be practical.

>Do you have a dehumidifer? I try to keep my humidy at about 70-75%

Yep, I have the 40 pint model too, and I have it on a timer to come on during the dark cycle only and it keeps the Relative Humidity at about 45-50%. During the light cycle my rooms humidity is only about 45% without the dehumidifier running, I am surprised at how high you run your humidity. Do you use a sulfur burner?

[LaRRyLuvsPot]

I read this entire thread and did not see anything as to how you deal with the electricity bill. I understand if you would rather not say but if you thought you mentioned it you didnt just curious.

[Racerx]

I read this entire thread and did not see anything as to how you deal with the electricity bill. I understand if you would rather not say but if you thought you mentioned it you didnt just curious.

it has been mentioned multiple times. he uses a pfc, which is sort of an equalizer/current cleaner in a sense. Same thing that new high end computer power suppliers use...cleans up the current and allows for more efficient use of the electricity. Keeps cost down somewhat.

aside from that...a $1000 energy bill in the middle of canada is really not that suspicious considering many people use large amounts of electricity for A/C or heating, work, etc. Plus its Canada, who really cares out there?

I have many friends who live in areas where marijuana growing is very prevalent, and they run similar large setups to Tranobles. Pay your bill on time and no energy company is going to say no to all the money you bring in.

[harris7]

I have many friends who live in areas where marijuana growing is very prevalent, and they run similar large setups to Tranobles. Pay your bill on time and no energy company is going to say no to all the money you bring in.

Actually not in Canada. We have publicly supplied power so there isnâ??t a profit incentive. They actually run a lot of programs to help people lower their power usage.

[Tranoble]

Harris I think your wrong. All hydro bills are done by computer. As long as you pay your bill on time no one will ever see your bill. If you are late paying your bill then the bill is flagged and then someone will pull the bill and send you a bill asking you to pay or you will be disconnected. There is no way that people sit and go threw every single hydro bill. I know this cause I have a family member that works at hydro.

I know many of people that have $5000 hydro bills and up and dont have any grow op. There is no way that Hydro can pull your bill just cause its a high bill. That would be like finding a needle in a hay stack. If someone tells the cops that you have a grow op and they pull your hydro bill and its high then your in trouble. This is how people get caught. Not cause you have a high hydro bill. Allso why would hydro want to screw you when you are paying them lots of money?


Actually not in Canada. We have publicly supplied power so there isnâ??t a profit incentive. They actually run a lot of programs to help people lower their power usage.

[harris7]

Well I’m not. And neither are you. We aren’t talking about the same things.

In the states companies want higher power usage so they can make more profit. They even go further like lowering supply so that demand exceeds it and then jack up the price because of the shortage (enron).

I’m just stating how different our system is. Nothing to do with grows

[Tranoble]

I dont see anything about you stating how different our systems are. I am posting realating to the post where u stated on Racerx post. Look back a few posts. He said that he knows of alota grows ops and as long as you pay your bill on time you will be fine. You said "Actually not in Canada."
Well Iâ??m not. And neither are you. We arenâ??t talking about the same things.

In the states companies want higher power usage so they can make more profit. They even go further like lowering supply so that demand exceeds it and then jack up the price because of the shortage (enron).

Iâ??m just stating how different our system is. Nothing to do with grows

[harris7]

i was only responding to what was in the quotation box. That there system has the profit incentive to keep growers around. BC hydro does not have this incentive. Public corporations are not under mandate to maximize profit unlike privet ones. Public corporations are mandated to provide a service. And that is why they are trying to bring down average consumption. Nothing to do with getting caught


"no energy company is going to say no to all the money you bring in." (i am just speaking to the differences in our systems in regard to this statment)

this is not the reason you dont get caught. it is because it is done by computer and because averages very so much. as you said

[rhino44]

Hey Tranoble sorry i missed your thread but i just read about 5 pages of it and it's really interesting. could you take some pics and give me the exact specifications of your veg/cloneing room and the lights you use please that would be great thanks.

[Tranoble]

Sorry i took my camera snowmobiling and it hasent worked since. I dont have a veg room. I have a cloning rack that i built and use it to clone the clippings i take from the 1 room and then I put the clones in the other room. Saves me having to buy clones for both rooms. I have friends that give me clippings or I buy clones for just the one side.

Hey Tranoble sorry i missed your thread but i just read about 5 pages of it and it's really interesting. could you take some pics and give me the exact specifications of your veg/cloneing room and the lights you use please that would be great thanks.

[rhino44]

Sweet. Your setup is pretty smooth. I'm gonna start cloning this year for my outdoor grow and just thought I'd get your take on it, thanks. I think I will build a rack or buy a t5 fixture.

[blue_ox]

How do you like the BluOx CO2 generators?

|}

[Tranoble]

I love the Blu Ox CO2 Generator. It's the only one ill use.
How do you like the BluOx CO2 generators?

|}

[harris7]

tranoble,

how soon do you start misting with growth excel on new clones. mine have just rooted. what you think??

[xcrispi]

wowwww ,
prob. the 100th. time you've heard it huh ? you have a talent my friend , and an incredibly repetitive sys. we have a local like you're self that's just amazing . only diff. i happen to see is he uses sun circles n 6ft. dia. plastic kiddie pools . very informative , thanx for sharing all your hard work .
peace n lotsa lotsa karma

[BlueBear]

Tranoble you are truly a patient fellow. I admire the way you continue to help folks even when they have not read your whole thread or didn't pay attention and want you to take your time to explain things or show things that they could find on their own. I have been reading your post from the start and always continue to drop back in and catch up. It is funny the redundant amount of questions you get. The first month of the thread approx contains almost every answer to the questions that have been asked in the last 3 months, LOL.
Well patients is indeed a virtue and I am delighted to observe the way you still come back to the lads and hold their hands threw the ruff road of ambitious dreams and hopes of having a killer grow.
Adieu

[harris7]

sorry bud, i'll read through again

[stinkyattic]

â??And keep in mind you are flushing your plants not the soilâ?�

That isnâ??t my understanding

Flushing say for nute burn, is to remove say nitrogen from the soil so that the plant cannot take up any more.

I had to flush just last week because of a potassium lock up caused by my manure which has to much Na+ in it. So I wanted to remove the salts from the soil, nothing to do with the plant.
Yeah I think these get confused sometimes...
There's flushing the soil, to get rid of toxic salts, and then there's 'reverse-feeding' where you foliar feed the plants with pH'd distilled water to get excess crap out of the plants themselves.


BTW tranoble, fantastic grow and log! Green thumbs up!

[Splifted]

I second what bluebear said. Lol Tranoble, most people that are as good at something as you tend to be dicks when people wanna know how they do it. Its cool that you'll answer questions 16 times without choking someone. You got more patience than me man, but thats a good thing. :stoned:

[Garden Knowm]

TRANOBLE... : )

I'm ready for a visit : )

[smokin dope]

wow! my future!

[howsyourroof]

bro that truly is 1hell of a set up

[CaliJay]

Tran...If you get back to this thread....Just so you know I will be implementing a few of your techniques next round. Thanks for this info and your time here. I am still trying to figure how your canopy is so even.. I want this BAD!!!

Much love and respect Cali Jay, PEACE!!!

[Stuper Star]

Good stuff Tran :)

Just to be sure that I am clear about something you said...for a period of 2wks, the room gets NO CO2 supplementation but also NO fresh air exchange of anykind?!?! For 2wks?!

Those LR1000 reflectors that you use to cover up to a 4x4' area...what are your thoughts on using them to cover 4x5' as many people do?

Thx

[Tranoble]

Yes the last 2 weeks get no Co2 or any out side air at all. As for useing the LR1000 for a 4'X5' area im sure it would work fine. I have not done it my self but what i try to do is cram as many plants under 1 light pretty much. Any where from 25 to 33 plants per light.

[Stuper Star]

Thx for the response Tran:smokin:

I was just noticing something in your very first picture there...while the shades do seem centered above their respective areas, they look to be angled rather randomly in respect to each other???

[Tranoble]

In some rooms i have string tied from shader to shader holding them all straight in other rooms i have them just swinging. I doesnt seem to make a difference.

[BlueBear]

I remember that allot of folks were having problems finding those hoods, is this it?? www.hydroempire.com/store/product_info.php/cPath/3_26/products_id/850 if so, here you guys go. If not, sorry.
My self use the parabolic 4 FT diameter hoods and they seem nice enough to me, but you have to run AC with them.
Adieu

[CaliJay]

Tran, I am planning to fill my 4x4 trays with perlite and coco and get 25 plants in them. I just got some growth excel and moved my 1000 watt solarmax lights from 15 inches to 26 inches. A hydro version of your grow is what I want to try. I will post results after my next round.


Jay

[cture]

Dear Tranoble
I would like to know your opinion on Xenon lightining.
Are there any midday co2 consuption depressions with hps?
Definately know that there is no with xenon lights.
What is the PARwatts/ft^2 (m^2) of your setup.
Best regards

[harris7]

hey tranoble.
have you ever applied growth excel in a normal watering. it says on the bottle that you can.

since you do foliar, is it because it's cheaper as you need to use less?

[Stuper Star]

...hoods, is this it?? www.hydroempire.com/store/product_info.php/cPath/3_26/products_id/850
Not to answer for Tran here...but the truly praised LR1000 is this one (http://www.hydroempire.com/store/product_info.php/cPath/3_26/products_id/848). Your link is the ventilated model...the "MV". Exact same shape as the LR but with duct fittings and some glass. Most would agree that this style isn't the best for air cooling. Just run the LR and cool the whole space properly :)

[cture]

To Tranoble: I need to make a tonn of weed in shortest possible period of time. What that time could be? What setup do i need for this?

[Stuper Star]

I need to make a tonn of weed in shortest possible period of time. What that time could be? What setup do i need for this?

2000 1K lights
50,000 clones
Veg for 2wks and flower for 7 (go 8wks here if you can spare the time) = 9wks
Feed and water properly
Control temp properly
Bingo...you're 9wks away from a "tonn" of weed.

LOL

[cture]

2000 1K lights
50,000 clones
Veg for 2wks and flower for 7 (go 8wks here if you can spare the time) = 9wks
Feed and water properly
Control temp properly
Bingo...you're 9wks away from a "tonn" of weed.
LOL
Don't you think that 20 grams from one is a descent yield, at least 100grams, therefore for a tonn you only need 10000 klones but not 50000. For 10000 clones you only need 400 m^2 of area! for a 40m^2 basement it is 90 weeks to go for a 1 000 kilograms. Which is 5'000'000 USD if 1 gramm for 5 $.

2000000watts lightening?
fine, then will go for xenon. 2000 hours life time, just enough for one week. Imaginne the output!
but what is the most yieldy strain in the weight from 1 plant.at least 12% thc required. may be it

[harris7]

I believe stuper star is just trying to point out there isn't some "formula" for a good grow. And if there is one, it's very obvious.

get lots of light
have lots of plants
dont fuck up anything

see the last one you cant be told you must learn it. so asking how to is very mislead

[cture]

What I really trying to find out iz how xenon lightining is used in growing. This light is used in a professional labs which carry out research on lplants. Does anyone has any info?

[GB4Lifemann]

excuse me tranoble but i would like to know how much this set up costed?

[LIP]

What I really trying to find out iz how xenon lightining is used in growing. This light is used in a professional labs which carry out research on lplants. Does anyone has any info?

Get lighting that you KNOW works, dont fuck around and waste time, seeds and money. Get some CFL's to start off with, and if you can get a HPS for flowering, simple.

If you cant get HPS of MH lights, get warm CFL's for flowering, they'll do the job as long as your plant arnt too big.

[CaliJay]

Hey Tranoble...My girlfriend is always bitching at me how do I get her to shut up?

[Nugget Lover]

Hi Aaron. I keep my humidity so I high because i find its a find line and I dont want my leaves to dry out. I allways go over kill with everything I do and a 40 pint dehumidifier maybe a little big for the size of my room. I do have a sulfer burner. I used it for powdery mildew. I havent had powdery mildew for a few years so I havent been useing it. I do use it at other places that I have I think that might be because they are at a lower elivation. All in all i dont use it that much. When i do use it i would turn it on for 3hrs when the lights were out.

My Co2 is at 1400PPM at week 4. My Co2 is at 2000PPM right now but tonight i will be turning my Co2 off. I will be giving my plants there last 10 days of water and Flora Kleen(Final Flush).

Tranoble never have Co2 levels above 1400 PPM, that's the highest you can go without hurting your plants, any higher is toxic.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k306/Bennyd1989/Co2Levels.jpg

[Racerx]

Tranoble never have Co2 levels above 1400 PPM, that's the highest you can go without hurting your plants, any higher is toxic.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k306/Bennyd1989/Co2Levels.jpg

I hit 1800ppm at the peak of flowering. This is the PPM of nutrients I use at the time and I match the CO2. There is no burning...and trust me...the plants love it. This is week 6 of flowering approx. Some strains cannot take quite so much, but if 1800 is to much I do 1600. Ive never done below 1600ppm during the height of flowering. 1400ppm is low IMO.

Tran uses a 3/2/1 nute schedule which is VERY aggressive in regards to PPM and you need to have a strain that you know can handle it. That being said, Advanced 3/2/1 usually requires 1400ppm barely 2-3 weeks into flowering. Error on the light side of things then slowly increase.

[Nugget Lover]

Alright man, just lookin' out, nice to see you know exactly what you're doin.:smokin:

[Dan K.]

beautiful grow, hopefully someday I will have the room to do something similar

btw, I dunno if this is has been mentioned yet, but I'm willing to bet

Trainwreck X Chernoble = Tranoble

[Tranoble]

I think some of you may be misunderstanding me. My food schedual is a 4/2/1. NOT 3/2/1.

[Stuper Star]

I think you are all confusing yourselves :madnoel:

Since the beginning of time...the 3part nutes have been referred to as G/M/B = Grow/Micro/Bloom.

So a sample flower mix reads as 1/2/3 and Tran is applying a mix of 1/2/4

I could be wrong here:p

[Tranoble]

Yes. Thats right. 1 part Grow. 2 parts Micro. 4 parts Bloom. I know alot of people that all say 3/2/1. Im not to sure which way is the right way to say it. lol

[canuck grower]

I can't believe I've been reading things here for about a month and did not find this thread until today. Really inspirational Tranoble, thanks a ton for documenting everything here for us to refer to.

Meticulous setups like this one make me wonder how my closet grow has even managed to stay alive... without me ever measuring CO2, temperature, humidity, etc. But then again I won't be yielding over 1 g/W either!

[santacruz_organic]

Tranoble- why do you cut co2 the last weeks you harvest?

[TheBudBuster]

well i spent the last hour and a half reading this thread... ive no questions... But hey man y no pics of dried piles of bud... and yes you grow like a pro..

Peace
TBB

[Racerx]

Tranoble- why do you cut co2 the last weeks you harvest?

CO2 robs taste and smell if you let it go to far into flowering.

[Tranoble]

Trying Kush this time around. Ill let you know how it turns out.

[noruas]

Tranoble,

I've been lurking for a long time.... 1 question :)

Why not use a Piolet Light CO2 generator in a Sealed room?
I just bought a beefy generator, and it is a Piolet ignition CAP gen-1 4 burners.
What, in your opinion, are the drawbacks of piolet lights?

[Tranoble]

In a sealed room the Co2 dosent get exuasted. The plants eat up all the Co2 thats why the sealed room works so well. The pilot light burns while the lights are off and that builds Co2 in the room. You do not want to give your plants Co2 while your light are off. Thats why a Co2 burner that uses a glow plug is much better. Hope this helps you understand why people dont use a pilot light in a sealed room. Any more questions just ask.

[noruas]

Tranoble,

From my understanding, plants do not use CO2 when the lights are off... No photosynthesis, no CO2 being consumed. Also, a Piolet light burns very small amount of gas over the "lights out" period. I am guessing, but I do not know, that this will not build up to very high levels of CO2... maybe +200ppm from baseline??

That said, I guess I assume it is not harmful to plants to have 1400ppm CO2 when lights are off, becuase they don't know it's there, plants don't care... can't see it/sense it....right??

:confused:

[Hagbard Celiene]

bacause a pilot light can go out.

[Tranoble]

Think of it this way. If your room is at 1800 ppm right before your lights go out and you have a pilot light, whats going to happen? Your ppm is going to keep climbing cause there is no where for the Co2 to go. The plants dont take in Co2 when the lights are off so having a pilot light is a bad idea in a sealed room. You could try it out your self but you will fild out the hard way.


Tranoble,

From my understanding, plants do not use CO2 when the lights are off... No photosynthesis, no CO2 being consumed. Also, a Piolet light burns very small amount of gas over the "lights out" period. I am guessing, but I do not know, that this will not build up to very high levels of CO2... maybe +200ppm from baseline??

That said, I guess I assume it is not harmful to plants to have 1400ppm CO2 when lights are off, becuase they don't know it's there, plants don't care... can't see it/sense it....right??

:confused:

[noruas]

ok this will be my last post on the subject, I don't want to clutter up your (awesome) thread!

I guess I just don't understand why CO2 during lights off is bad? In the Jurassic period, and before that time, Atmospheric levels were around 1200-1600ppm. Plants evolved to what they are today during this period, this is why plants are capable of thriving in CO2 rich environments. In this period, of gigantic flora and fauna, rich levels of co2 were constant. This is my backround understanding when approaching this "nighttime co2" issue..

1) My CO2 levels will never be higher than 1500 ppm, set by my CAP ppm-3 meter/controller.

2) Even if the plants are exposed to 1500 ppm of CO2 over the night, what is the troubble with this? Why is this a bad thing? OR does it matter at all? (Clearly this is not ideal, because it is a waste of gas!)

3) My "Sealed" room is not 100% sealed. I do not expect a CO2 PPM of 1500 to stay constant without supplemental burns from the generator. When the lights go off and the controller goes to "sleep" the CO2 in the room should drop to atmospheric levels +2-300 ppm co2 from the Piolet. I expect nighttime CO2 levels to be around 500ppm in my room, with a piolet burning.

The piolet light could go out, that is a substantial point, and one I am worried about. I will have to see how this thing does in a wind test with lots of fans on over a long period.

Sorry to ask so many questions, but this is my illness... overanalyzing everything :o

I really can't wait to see some Kush in your room, keep us posted!

peace

[Tranoble]

I started growing in the sealed room about 7yrs ago. Thats right around the same time they first came out with the glow plug Co2 burner. The glow plug burner was made for the sealed room. The pilot light burner was tested in the sealed room and was considered damaging the plants while the lights were out. Im not sure of the exact resons why but i do remember it was because the pilot light was still burning while the lights were out. Im sure you could add a small exaust to come on while the lights are out. Then your room would be exposed to some things that the sealed room helps to prevent. Sealed room is good for helping to preventing out side smell, blite (powdery mildew), and bugs.

[socialistpete]

Tranoble, I have just read this entire thread, simply amazed. I used to grow hydro and would always put down my buddys who would grow in dirt. But now I'm going to copy your setup on a smaller scale. Thanks for all your info and the time you have put into this.:stoned:

[lostincanada]

hey i'm looking to get information, pretty detailed, about starting an income generating op such as yours. i too am in canada and was hoping that i could exchange e-mails or something with you to get some tips and pointers

anyways you can always reach me at [email protected]

[Tranoble]

Ask away. Sorry but im not exchanging emails.


hey i'm looking to get information, pretty detailed, about starting an income generating op such as yours. i too am in canada and was hoping that i could exchange e-mails or something with you to get some tips and pointers

anyways you can always reach me at [email protected]

[TheBudBuster]

yes tran good move . and again great thread.. its what ill be doing when im your age bro.. some serious growing..

Peace
N LOVE

[CaliJay]

Tranoble - When do you fire up the Co2? Do you use it during Veg and through stretch in flower or do you wait until the buds are filling out? The reason I ask is that I am afraid the plants will want to stretch too much if I give them Co2 too early.

Peace -Jay

[Tranoble]

I fire up the Co2 somewhere around the end of the 1st week of Bud. I dont use it in Veg.


Tranoble - When do you fire up the Co2? Do you use it during Veg and through stretch in flower or do you wait until the buds are filling out? The reason I ask is that I am afraid the plants will want to stretch too much if I give them Co2 too early.

Peace -Jay

[Tranoble]

Another thing i dont think I mentioned before is dont use Pro Mix. Use Sunshine Mix #4. The Pro Mix burns your plants.

[Stuper Star]

Another thing i dont think I mentioned before is dont use Pro Mix. Use Sunshine Mix #4. The Pro Mix burns your plants.

:confused:
How's that?

[Tranoble]

Take a small handfull of Pro Mix and put it in a beer cup and fill the cup allmost to the top with water. Stick a PPM pen in the cup and let it sit over night. The PPM will be somewhere around 1100 PPM. That is way to much for clones. I find that they will burn and be very slow to take off. Every time I have told someone this that use Pro Mix they have come back to me and told me that I have solved alot of problems for them.

[Stuper Star]

Ya, that is a pretty steep PPM for new cuts! What does #4 read at?
It is very possible you just saved a Buddy from another disaster and if this is the case...holy fuck do we ever owe you a fuckin beer and a bag for the tip off!!!:baggy:

I'm thinking that you might be referring to the "new" HP as well? Buddy had success with HP the last time he used it from a black bag (yrs ago). Then he went to #4 again for no real reason. However, the last 2 crops he used HP from the white bag and had nothing but problems. It was also a new strain and he thought it was the strain being a sensitive bitch. Buddy has a new strain for next week..so I'll mention he might as well use #4...just in case:)
Another Buddy..he just planted 2wks ago the same strain as the two fucked up crops, but in #4, and while they do seem to be touchy...they look waaaay better than the first 2 runs in White HP.

[Tranoble]

Allmost every person I have talk to have had problems with the HP. I told them about the PPM and they too told me I have solved so many problems for them. For the PPM in the Sunshine Mix #4 im not sure but i think its about 300-400 PPM.

[noruas]

:rastasmoke:

I have been using PROMIX HP for 2 grows now, blended with FFOF and dry amendments (kelp, alf-alfa perlite, lime). I have not had the mentioned problems, but I do water at peak 600ppm with organics becuase of my soil mix is already "hot" due to amendments.

Good thing to test, I will check the Promix HP white bag with my meter!

nice info

[esc0bar]

what up ive read this whole entire thread and im getting together my own system just like yours.. my only question is what my best bet would be to get enough clones to have 25 plants under each light. i know i'll have to start out with a lot less but im going to be starting from seed (mazar) and i was wondering what the best way to go about doing it was. this is what i was thinking: germinate and let the seeds go threw veg... take clones of all the veg phase then flower them all and see which are male/female etc.. then after i have hopefully about 5 females (the seeds are feminized) im going to make them mothers and put them under a 18/6 400 watt hps just to keep them in veg state for a long time. After that im wondering how i would go about getting the most clones otu of the mothers. if i take 2 clones from each mother every week while there in veg that will mean ill have 10 clones every week. now if i let those clones root and it takes 2 weeks the other clones will be behind and this will keep going on so i cant put them all into flowering at the same time if they are all weeks apart in there life. i know its confusing but its been killin me thinkin about it... so what im thinkin about doing is taking all the clones from the mothers and instead of putting them into flowering just keep putting them under tghe 18/6 hps light until i have about 30 of them then just cut them to all be the same height and every week take 1 clones from each one and have 30 clones . is it goin to work if all the mothers are just clones that are all older than eachother like that? because all the plants are going to different ages but if i keep them under the 400 watt hps for at least 18 hours a day i know they will stay in veg. is that the only way ill be able to get 30 clones a week?

[Cyrano]

does this tranoble strain have an other name? It sorta looks like power plant. I could not find it on the net.

Also, did i see that micro/grow/bloom correct...almost 2liters for a 50gal res?

[noruas]

Well, I Measured my promix runoff and it was 2000 PPM.

Plants were very unhappy this time around, I flushed them real good, but it compacted the containers so much, that I think this crop is all but ruined. The Promix compacted about 2+ inches when I flushes to rid the high PPM!!

Thanks for the heads up Tranoble, I guess I have always cut the promix with organic soils in the past, never done straight promix HP


I am using Promix HP (white bag)

[dusto2k3]

Tranoble, I see you say you strip the bottome inches off the plants at day 10...do you see a decrease in yield by doing this. I have a very similay setup to you and i am a little curious.

[Tranoble]

I find when you strip off the bottom 4-6 branches at day 10 that the tops are much bigger. This allso gets rid of alot of waste on the bottoms of the plant. My plants are so crammed that the bottom branches dont get much light and are pretty much waste any way. Try it out you will see your buds are much bigger in the end. Not really any small buds that got to waste after drying. My ziplock bags are stuffed and find it hard to close the bag cause they are so full.


Tranoble, I see you say you strip the bottome inches off the plants at day 10...do you see a decrease in yield by doing this. I have a very similay setup to you and i am a little curious.

[Tranoble]

I have never grown from seed. I think i understand what you are saying but you wont beable to grom plants in different stages while growing in tables. I guess you couse do it if you were growing in buckets but you would have to keep them seperste and keep track of what stage there in if you use different food schedual for every week. Why dont you buy your clones and grow them all at the same time. Then if you want to do mothers take cuttings off the bottom branches before you flip them into bud. Then you will have enough mothers to take clones from for your next time round. Good Luck.


what up ive read this whole entire thread and im getting together my own system just like yours.. my only question is what my best bet would be to get enough clones to have 25 plants under each light. i know i'll have to start out with a lot less but im going to be starting from seed (mazar) and i was wondering what the best way to go about doing it was. this is what i was thinking: germinate and let the seeds go threw veg... take clones of all the veg phase then flower them all and see which are male/female etc.. then after i have hopefully about 5 females (the seeds are feminized) im going to make them mothers and put them under a 18/6 400 watt hps just to keep them in veg state for a long time. After that im wondering how i would go about getting the most clones otu of the mothers. if i take 2 clones from each mother every week while there in veg that will mean ill have 10 clones every week. now if i let those clones root and it takes 2 weeks the other clones will be behind and this will keep going on so i cant put them all into flowering at the same time if they are all weeks apart in there life. i know its confusing but its been killin me thinkin about it... so what im thinkin about doing is taking all the clones from the mothers and instead of putting them into flowering just keep putting them under tghe 18/6 hps light until i have about 30 of them then just cut them to all be the same height and every week take 1 clones from each one and have 30 clones . is it goin to work if all the mothers are just clones that are all older than eachother like that? because all the plants are going to different ages but if i keep them under the 400 watt hps for at least 18 hours a day i know they will stay in veg. is that the only way ill be able to get 30 clones a week?

[houdini]

Hi Tranoble. I read your thread. Very interesting, a lot of good info. My setup is aeroponic, 6 x 33 site tables under 6000 watts of light (one for each table) using adjustable reflectors with a light spreader under each bulb. I needed to move my grow op. for security reasons and am now going for a sealed environment. I have 10Kw of A/c installed. My concerns were for co2 usage, which I don't have experience with. I'm going to buy a burner with a pilot light as I can't locate blu-ox over here (Europe). Its not a big deal since the gen. will be outside the growroom, the room being tubefed. This keeps growroom heat down and imo its much safer to have propane/burner at a distance. You mention that you use 2 x 20lb tanks per grow. That seems pretty reasonable. I've done my co2 calculations, but the variable is plant consumption. What you are indicating is that co2 use is not that huge once the room is up to the desired ppm ?
I noticed you had an air scrubber listed in your equipment. This is something else I will need to install in my grow. Smell suppression is very important in my new home. How big a scrubber/fan do you use in yr. room ? Does it entirely suppress smell ?
A word about AN : I tried them a couple of years ago...the full program recommended by their website. Hugely expensive, like $1000 in nutes for a grow ! I honestly didn't see an improvement on the GH nutes I normally use.

[houdini]

Oh, one more thing, Tranoble. My non-enhanced co2 flowering times are 55-60 days. Given that co2 significantly increases plant metabolism, how shorter is the flowering time ?
Comment on your yield : Amazing yield for dirt. Well done. My aero setup, per table of 33 plants, will usually yield me with 50 grams per plant (2 oz). of dried bud. Thats nearly 1.6 kilos (or 3.5 lbs) per 1000w light. How do I do it ? Simple. The right genetics, right environment, right nutes, right pruning of plants, right grow system. I end up with a plant which has five main branches, is about 2.5 feet tall, with colas 4 inches across (genetics I use are big bud - a special mother found among 100 bb plants and NL#5, again a good yielder.) I'm really curious as to how much more I can push growth with co2.

[Tranoble]

Im not sure what size scrubber you should use. I would ask your hydroponic store. The one I use is good for upto 40 1000w lights. Its the biggest one i could find. It works great for killing smell. Cant smell a thing. Using a pilot light will give off Co2 while your lights are off. You dont want to give your plants Co2 while your plants are in the dark. When your lights first come on is when you use the most Co2 then once your room fills to the PPM you have set then it kicks on and off to keep it steady.


Hi Tranoble. I read your thread. Very interesting, a lot of good info. My setup is aeroponic, 6 x 33 site tables under 6000 watts of light (one for each table) using adjustable reflectors with a light spreader under each bulb. I needed to move my grow op. for security reasons and am now going for a sealed environment. I have 10Kw of A/c installed. My concerns were for co2 usage, which I don't have experience with. I'm going to buy a burner with a pilot light as I can't locate blu-ox over here (Europe). Its not a big deal since the gen. will be outside the growroom, the room being tubefed. This keeps growroom heat down and imo its much safer to have propane/burner at a distance. You mention that you use 2 x 20lb tanks per grow. That seems pretty reasonable. I've done my co2 calculations, but the variable is plant consumption. What you are indicating is that co2 use is not that huge once the room is up to the desired ppm ?
I noticed you had an air scrubber listed in your equipment. This is something else I will need to install in my grow. Smell suppression is very important in my new home. How big a scrubber/fan do you use in yr. room ? Does it entirely suppress smell ?
A word about AN : I tried them a couple of years ago...the full program recommended by their website. Hugely expensive, like $1000 in nutes for a grow ! I honestly didn't see an improvement on the GH nutes I normally use.

[houdini]

Tranoble, thanks. o.k. re. the scrubber. For yr. info. my co2 gen. and propane bottle will be in a concrete garage 12 ft. from my growroom. So no worries. I don't think the fact that a pilot light generates co2 is a big deal. Ambient co2 in greater or lesser concentrations exists naturally in the atmosphere. IMO the bigger problem with a pilot light is the actual light it gives off in a dark growroom, posing a problem for complete darkness.

[bombdiggity]

oh man im hooked on this thread.. cant wait to see some pics

[dusto2k3]

Tranoble, I'm using prom,ix as well, what are you adjusting your PH to?

[Tranoble]

I dont use ProMix. You shouldnt either. You will have nothing but problems. Stick to SunshineMix #4.


Tranoble, I'm using prom,ix as well, what are you adjusting your PH to?

[Stuper Star]

Thx again for the tip Tran. Buddy went back to #4 and things are rockin' back to normal specs.
This was also his first time using that one part FloraNova stuff, having always used the 3part before. The Nova is kickin ass! I'd have to say honestly...best veg run I've ever seen. He'll supplement with a blooming product if it doesn't look like the FloraNovaBloom alone isn't keeping up by week4. He is however also using a couple new strains he got his hands on that are proven performers.

Cheers.

[Stuper Star]

Oh shit...that's what I was gonna ask ya...almost forgot.
Buddy keeps his plants at 8" spacing on center and keeps up with the pruning about every other day on them and is done any pruning as well by day10 of 12/12.
Do you prune at all prior to day10?...or just go in and rape'em all in one shot around day10? Was just curious about that.

[User Name Here]

Thats beutifull.

[jedeye]

How much volume of water do you use per 8' x 8' bed during each watering? Does this amount increase as plants mature? What is demensions of sealed room in height x width x length in feet? How many btus does your AC use and how many sqare feet is it rated for?

[jedeye]

Do you actually raise CO2 levels to 3500 ppm during the last week of the feeding schedule before flushing? This question is based on your posted feeding schedule total ppm. Are the numbers listed in your feeding schedule in ppm? What conc. do you use for all other additives that you mentioned usng?

[Tranoble]

I strip then all in one shot on about day 7-10.


Oh shit...that's what I was gonna ask ya...almost forgot.
Buddy keeps his plants at 8" spacing on center and keeps up with the pruning about every other day on them and is done any pruning as well by day10 of 12/12.
Do you prune at all prior to day10?...or just go in and rape'em all in one shot around day10? Was just curious about that.

[Tranoble]

I couldnt really tell ya. I start off with about 25 gallons for 14 lights then it increases as the plants mature. I only give my plants enough water so they need another watering when my lights come on the next day. Hope this helps.


How much volume of water do you use per 8' x 8' bed during each watering? Does this amount increase as plants mature? What is demensions of sealed room in height x width x length in feet? How many btus does your AC use and how many sqare feet is it rated for?

[Tranoble]

The highest my Co2 evar gets is 2200 ppm and thats only if they look like they can handle it. My Co2 is turned off for the last 2 weeks. The numbers in my feeding schedual are listed in ml's. LOL. For additives just stick to what the directions on the container say.


Do you actually raise CO2 levels to 3500 ppm during the last week of the feeding schedule before flushing? This question is based on your posted feeding schedule total ppm. Are the numbers listed in your feeding schedule in ppm? What conc. do you use for all other additives that you mentioned usng?

[noruas]

For what it's worth, to all CO2 Generator Piolet Light users, or would be users:


I have absolutely no troubble with my CO2 Generator, w/ Piolet light. It's in the middle of my grow room. The Light it gives off is very minimal, and no plants are showing any problems. Also, there is no negative effects associated with slightly higher CO2 levels during lights off. The piolet burner raises my PPM by about 100 above ambient air... so lights off CO2 ppm is around 500+/- ....


no problems at all, and I must say... CO2 kicks ass!!
never had such thick stems and rapid veg growth...
:rastasmoke:

[DB2004]

The PF2 is GARBAGE and does not work. I used to work for the company that made them. They have no power factor correcting ability, they're snake oil. IP Controls went out of business, the products were unreliable. I got fired for refusing to build them. I can answer any questions you may have on Flip Boxes, Timer Boards, Load Centers, etc......

Best Regards

DB

[jedeye]

Was wondering the price you paid for your AC unt and what cooling capacity it has. Any leads on where to find the one you used?

[Tranoble]

If you have no problem running lots of water and want to go cheap you can purchase a Chiller. they have 1 fan, 2fan and 3 fan maybe even 4 fan im not sure. I little bit more money and alot more power you can purchase a Thermoplus A/C they start at 1 ton and go up from there. Basicly 1 ton will cool about 3 1000w lights. If you want to spend even a little more money you can go with a A/C Heating and Cooling unit. These units have a condencer that sits out side and run gas to the A/C unit that sits in your room. They use alot of power but no water. You can do a search or ask your local hydro store about any of these and im sure you will find where to purchase them.


Was wondering the price you paid for your AC unt and what cooling capacity it has. Any leads on where to find the one you used?

[Tranoble]

Wow you use a pilot light burner in a sealed room and it doesnt raise you PPM of Co2 in your room when your lights are off. First i heard of that.

For what it's worth, to all CO2 Generator Piolet Light users, or would be users:


I have absolutely no troubble with my CO2 Generator, w/ Piolet light. It's in the middle of my grow room. The Light it gives off is very minimal, and no plants are showing any problems. Also, there is no negative effects associated with slightly higher CO2 levels during lights off. The piolet burner raises my PPM by about 100 above ambient air... so lights off CO2 ppm is around 500+/- ....


no problems at all, and I must say... CO2 kicks ass!!
never had such thick stems and rapid veg growth...
:rastasmoke:

[rollin500]

this thread is inspiring and very helpful, i've reciently gotten into the scene with some equipent I ordered from BC, i'm doing 20 clones per 1k hps and 3 in the flowering room, so 3k and 60 little guy's under 12/12 how do u think they'll do WITHOUT CO2? what am i looking at to set it up? And how bad do u think it will stink, should I invest in a charcohol setup?

[Tranoble]

First off if your just starting out read this whole thread. Pretty much help you step by step. To run Co2 you will need a Co2 burner with a glow plug and a Co2 computer/monitor. Burner will cost you about 6-8 hundred, and the computer are about 650-1150. I just bought one from Better Than Nature for $650. If you cant afford it this time around make sure you invest in the Co2 next time around. Its sure worth the money it will increase your yeild big time. For the charcoal filter I would wait. You dont have very many plants and it depends alot on what strain you are using. Some stink more than others. If you need any help at all id be glad to help you. Just post any questions here on this thread. I check every few days. Good Luck.


this thread is inspiring and very helpful, i've reciently gotten into the scene with some equipent I ordered from BC, i'm doing 20 clones per 1k hps and 3 in the flowering room, so 3k and 60 little guy's under 12/12 how do u think they'll do WITHOUT CO2? what am i looking at to set it up? And how bad do u think it will stink, should I invest in a charcohol setup?

[rollin500]

yep i've been reading this thread for day's now :) but for a newbie I think i'm doing very well with my show so far, i'd like to post you some pics but I don't have a digi cam right now. I'd say after the first round or so i'll try to invest in a co2 system but u know how it is when u first start out, how tall would u recommend I veg them before flipping 12/12?

[jedeye]

How do you determine total ppm from the feeding schedle you posted to be sure that you are using the proper CO2 levels. You poste the schedule in mL added, right LoL? Could you post a CO2 schedule as well or explain how to calculate CO2 levels from the feeding schedule that you posted. Different EC meters seem to have different formulas for calculating ppm levels and converting to EC readings. Hope I wasnt too confusing. I am doing lots of research concerning this thread. It woke me up to what is possible with using a little inginuity.

Thanks Again for your generosity.

[rollin500]

Any updated pics??!?

[callekukas]

Hello
Must say you have a amasing set up there, sorry for asking but i live in Norway
and we do not have your kind of soil in shops here would it be ok to cactus
soil ??? im starting a new set up now and im going to try system :)
And thanx for a good and informativ post ;)

[Tranoble]

I couldnt tell you. I have never used cactus soil.


Hello
Must say you have a amasing set up there, sorry for asking but i live in Norway
and we do not have your kind of soil in shops here would it be ok to cactus
soil ??? im starting a new set up now and im going to try system :)
And thanx for a good and informativ post ;)

[Tranoble]

Start the PPM on your Co2 computer at about 1100 PPM for week 2. Every week bump it up 200 PPM.


How do you determine total ppm from the feeding schedle you posted to be sure that you are using the proper CO2 levels. You poste the schedule in mL added, right LoL? Could you post a CO2 schedule as well or explain how to calculate CO2 levels from the feeding schedule that you posted. Different EC meters seem to have different formulas for calculating ppm levels and converting to EC readings. Hope I wasnt too confusing. I am doing lots of research concerning this thread. It woke me up to what is possible with using a little inginuity.

Thanks Again for your generosity.

[Tranoble]

Some stains grow faster than others. If you wait to long you plants will get tall and stretch. I usually flip my plants around a foot tall. If im taking clippings off the bottoms to root for another room I let them get a little taller before flipping.


yep i've been reading this thread for day's now :) but for a newbie I think i'm doing very well with my show so far, i'd like to post you some pics but I don't have a digi cam right now. I'd say after the first round or so i'll try to invest in a co2 system but u know how it is when u first start out, how tall would u recommend I veg them before flipping 12/12?

[rollin500]

another question, my little guys are about 1 ft there now i'm just waiting on my reflectors for the hps but what do u think of batwing reflectors for our style of growing? and that being said a tray (4x4) of 20 plants 1 ft veg flipped under a 1k hps with batwigs what kinda of yeild do u think i'll get roughly if everything goes well? I know it's hard to say but any ideas for a tray that size?? dry too

[Tranoble]

Bat Wing shaders are decent. Any shader that hangs your bulb sideways are a better shader. For how much you will yield I cant really tell you. I have no idea what kinda set you have. Its definatly a good idea to not cheap out on your room. What ever money you put into you room spend wisely and will make alot better results. Good luck.


another question, my little guys are about 1 ft there now i'm just waiting on my reflectors for the hps but what do u think of batwing reflectors for our style of growing? and that being said a tray (4x4) of 20 plants 1 ft veg flipped under a 1k hps with batwigs what kinda of yeild do u think i'll get roughly if everything goes well? I know it's hard to say but any ideas for a tray that size?? dry too

[harris7]

Tran,

Thanks for the help you’ve given me so far, we’ve grown some dank bud.

Were trying to get our yield up and thinking about using overdrive.
I’ve read about it on Advanced N website and it looks like what we need

What are you feelings on it

[RamCTD1027]

Tranoble-

I was searching the internet for information on sealed rooms and I came across this thread. I just spent the last couple hours reading all the information on here amd I must say I am amazed. Great work growing in soil. You obviously have a great understanding of the plant itself and use that to your advantage.

I am a newbie on this site, but far from a newbie when it comes to growing. I have been growing for a few years using a drip system in buckets. I recently moved and I just finished rough-framing my new flower room. I am now convinced; I am going to build a sealed room.

I have a couple questions for you that I hope you dont mind answering. Do you have any experience growing bushes in buckets? Since I live in the states, I have to watch my plant counts and cant grow large numbers. I veg my plants for about 3-4wks which is a lot longer than you are vegging. In a sealed room environment, would I still wait till bloom to start with CO2 or would I start during veg?

My room is about 10' long x 6' wide x 7' high. I sold a few of my lights to grow buddies while i was moving from house to house since i didnt have any use for them. Now, i dont know what to buy. Should i go with 2 1k lights or 4 600w lights? I really want to use 3 1k lights but i need to run the AC, dehumidifier, and other things which will draw a good bit of power, and being in a 3 bedroom house in the states, i dont want to draw too much power.

Thanks for all the help. You are a wealth of knowledge and an inspiration to all. Keep up the good shows.

RamCTD

[Tranoble]

My very first grow room I grew christmas trees in buckets with lava rock and a drip system. I know alot of people that run there Co2 at about 900 ppm while in veg. I dont cause i dont veg that long. For what kinda of lights you should use I would say 1000 watt. I have never used nothing but. The power consumption I would use a equalizer. It reduces your power consumption. I have given more deatil what it does and where to find it earlier in this thread.


Tranoble-

I was searching the internet for information on sealed rooms and I came across this thread. I just spent the last couple hours reading all the information on here amd I must say I am amazed. Great work growing in soil. You obviously have a great understanding of the plant itself and use that to your advantage.

I am a newbie on this site, but far from a newbie when it comes to growing. I have been growing for a few years using a drip system in buckets. I recently moved and I just finished rough-framing my new flower room. I am now convinced; I am going to build a sealed room.

I have a couple questions for you that I hope you dont mind answering. Do you have any experience growing bushes in buckets? Since I live in the states, I have to watch my plant counts and cant grow large numbers. I veg my plants for about 3-4wks which is a lot longer than you are vegging. In a sealed room environment, would I still wait till bloom to start with CO2 or would I start during veg?

My room is about 10' long x 6' wide x 7' high. I sold a few of my lights to grow buddies while i was moving from house to house since i didnt have any use for them. Now, i dont know what to buy. Should i go with 2 1k lights or 4 600w lights? I really want to use 3 1k lights but i need to run the AC, dehumidifier, and other things which will draw a good bit of power, and being in a 3 bedroom house in the states, i dont want to draw too much power.

Thanks for all the help. You are a wealth of knowledge and an inspiration to all. Keep up the good shows.

RamCTD

[Tranoble]

Sorry Harris I have never used it.


Tran,

Thanks for the help youâ??ve given me so far, weâ??ve grown some dank bud.

Were trying to get our yield up and thinking about using overdrive.
Iâ??ve read about it on Advanced N website and it looks like what we need

What are you feelings on it

[In Bloom]

What an inspiring thread - cheers :thumbsup:

It's made me re-assess my set up and I'm going to try my next crop using a closed system like yours. Unfortunately where I live, I can't source some of the products you are using, so I'm having to modify the setup slightly.

I'll be growing in a 8'x6' room, using one split A/C unit with the heat exchanger outside. I've managed to find a similar but different make CO2 computer that comes complete with regulator, controller and sensor but I can't find a CO2 generator, so I have to use bottles. If I've read through your posts correctly, I'll be needing 2 x 20lb bottles and use them only during flowering.

I was also wondering what you do about temperature control. I'll probably set the A/C for around 77 degrees F / 25 degrees C and with the grow room temperature being controlled by the A/C unit, it will be a constant temperature regardless if the lights are on or off. In my current set up, my temperature drops when the lights go out. Do you leave your room at a constant temperature or do you drop it a few degrees when the lights out go out?

I'm also curious what the A/C unit does to humidity levels as A/C normally sucks moisture out of the air.

Any advice greatly appreciated, thanks in advance :rasta:

[RamCTD1027]

Tranoble-

Thanks for the help.

As far as pf correction, it does work; however, it doesnt work in the US. The electrical grid in the US is billed in KWH, where as in canada and other countries, it is billed KVAH. I dont believe pf correction saves money for people in the US. Do you know of any other ways to help save money on the electric bill? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

RamCTD

[Tranoble]

Keep your room at about 85 degrees when the lights are on and 75 degrees when the lights are out. If your temps drop any more than that your plant will stretch and your nodes will not be as close together. Your a/c will help with the humidity but you will still need a duhumidifier to control the humidity. You want your humidity in room at about 60%-40% or as close as you can get to that. Good luck.


What an inspiring thread - cheers :thumbsup:

It's made me re-assess my set up and I'm going to try my next crop using a closed system like yours. Unfortunately where I live, I can't source some of the products you are using, so I'm having to modify the setup slightly.

I'll be growing in a 8'x6' room, using one split A/C unit with the heat exchanger outside. I've managed to find a similar but different make CO2 computer that comes complete with regulator, controller and sensor but I can't find a CO2 generator, so I have to use bottles. If I've read through your posts correctly, I'll be needing 2 x 20lb bottles and use them only during flowering.

I was also wondering what you do about temperature control. I'll probably set the A/C for around 77 degrees F / 25 degrees C and with the grow room temperature being controlled by the A/C unit, it will be a constant temperature regardless if the lights are on or off. In my current set up, my temperature drops when the lights go out. Do you leave your room at a constant temperature or do you drop it a few degrees when the lights out go out?

I'm also curious what the A/C unit does to humidity levels as A/C normally sucks moisture out of the air.

Any advice greatly appreciated, thanks in advance :rasta:

[Tranoble]

I live in Canada and we are allso billed in KWH. Im pretty sure it works in the states cause thats where they are made.


Tranoble-

Thanks for the help.

As far as pf correction, it does work; however, it doesnt work in the US. The electrical grid in the US is billed in KWH, where as in canada and other countries, it is billed KVAH. I dont believe pf correction saves money for people in the US. Do you know of any other ways to help save money on the electric bill? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

RamCTD

[rollin500]

Hey Tranoble any new pics??

[rollin500]

Tranoble i'm having some troubles with my grow, I flipped my girls to 12/12 and there a week in and there stretching towards the light bad I don't know why, there getting blasted by a 1000 hps and in between some nodes the last few day's is almost 2 inches, plz help lol

[madeline]

That's what they do in flower and you should expect a plant to double or even triple in heigth during flowering period.

[rollin500]

no I understand that but I mean stretching, like between nodes is like 2 inches rather then 1, it looks funny and this decreases yield so i'm trying to figure out what i'm doing wrong

[Tranoble]

What are your temps in your room? You only want your room to drop 10-12 degrees when ur light are off. My room is 85 degrees lights on and 75 degrees lights out. When your temps drop more than 15 degrees it will cause your plants to stretch. Call your local grow store about a new product called Dr. Nodes. It will stop your plants from growing any taller. 250 ml of Dr. Nodes into 50 gal of nutrient. You only have to do this once. Good luck i hope this helps.


Tranoble i'm having some troubles with my grow, I flipped my girls to 12/12 and there a week in and there stretching towards the light bad I don't know why, there getting blasted by a 1000 hps and in between some nodes the last few day's is almost 2 inches, plz help lol

[thecreator]

I'm glad this thread is still alive!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stuper Star]

I fire up the Co2 somewhere around the end of the 1st week of Bud. I dont use it in Veg.
First of all...such a great thread Tran. Really. Cheers :beer:
I actually came back to read it thru again as I'm considering going to a fully sealed setup. I came across a couple new posts since I was around last and have a question for ya regarding the above quote...
In my experience, everytime, without fail....not having some sort of fresh air coming into a vegging room has held the plants back. For example, lets talk about a 6K setup with 200clones. If the ventilation stays off for a few days (usually cuz it's so cold and dry outside that it'll pull the room humidity down way too low)...but anyways, the plants will be looking droopy, even tho they are growing ok. Within 10minutes of turning the outside ventilation on however...BOOM! The plants just perk right up and start rockin hard.
So I'm a little confused.
You're saying your room is 100% sealed up and no CO2 until wk1 of bloom...so that's a week or 2 of no CO2 and no outside air. I'm having a hard time getting my head around that....

[Stuper Star]

Sorry Harris I have never used it.
Harris was asking about AN's Overdrive...you mentioned it in your very first thread post Tran ;)

While I have you here on the subject of bloom boosters and ripening products...
The AN charts give an application rate for BigBud and OverDrive but it is with an equal ratio of the 3part at 1/1/1....you (and I) both use the 3part base at a ratio of 1/2/4 (G/M/B).
Any comments on your application rates for BB or OD while using a 1/2/4 base ratio?
Thx Tran:)

Stupid Star;)

[Tranoble]

Im not saying you cant use Co2 in veg. I prefer not to. I like the plant to get a good start before pumping them with Co2. I notice the leaves droop just a little with Co2 on and if I turn it off for a day the leaves will stand straight up. Different stains do different things. I just go with what works best for the strain im using at that time.


First of all...such a great thread Tran. Really. Cheers :beer:
I actually came back to read it thru again as I'm considering going to a fully sealed setup. I came across a couple new posts since I was around last and have a question for ya regarding the above quote...
In my experience, everytime, without fail....not having some sort of fresh air coming into a vegging room has held the plants back. For example, lets talk about a 6K setup with 200clones. If the ventilation stays off for a few days (usually cuz it's so cold and dry outside that it'll pull the room humidity down way too low)...but anyways, the plants will be looking droopy, even tho they are growing ok. Within 10minutes of turning the outside ventilation on however...BOOM! The plants just perk right up and start rockin hard.
So I'm a little confused.
You're saying your room is 100% sealed up and no CO2 until wk1 of bloom...so that's a week or 2 of no CO2 and no outside air. I'm having a hard time getting my head around that....

[Tranoble]

Not all strains can handle the 1/2/4 ratio. It works unreal tho if your strain can handle it.

I use the Over Drive in week 5 and 6 only.

The Big Bud I start at week 2. I use the Big Bud in every 2nd feeding. Week 2 75grams to 50 gal. Week 3-80 grams. Week 4-85grams. Week 5-90grams. Week 6-100grams. Thats of the top of my head or something close to that.

[Stuper Star]

Ya, that much BB into a 1/2/4 mix is pretty smokin' :stoned: I only started using 1/2/4 on the last round and they loved it. But I didn't use any blooming products in wks 2-4...just some OD for 5-6.
I need new shades, but can't decide if I'm going to go with a vertical grow (like U.G.U...but pots of #4, not hydro)....dumping a G on shades would suck if I then do go vert...lol

[Stuper Star]

Im not saying you cant use Co2 in veg.
I hear ya Tran. We even discussed earlier that your sealed room gets no CO2 for the end of flowering. Not even some fresh air, which has 3-400PPM of CO2. Amazing, but feasible I guess as plants certainly don't look like they're doing much thru the leafs at that point.
But in veg...it's all about high energy and growth. I don't understand how a room full of healthy vegging plants wouldn't deplete all the CO2 in that space.

[Tranoble]

The room isnt totally sealed. I allso find alot of strains dont like alot of Co2 when they are only a few days old thats why i leave it. But i know what your saying. If I have some real healthy babies and they are taking off quick forsure I will start the Co2 early. It just really sucks when your babies arnt liking the Co2 and they reject it. I think the key to any good crop is a great start.

[Tranoble]

I think the best advice you can get is right here on this site. Take a look around there are many small grows in these forums. Good luck.

[|dallas|]

i have read through your journal and i, like most others, am inspired and offer up the utmost respect to you for your knowledge and ability.thanks for journaling for us too.

im also a member at gardenscure.com and over there is a guy named rockclimber (http://www.gardenscure.com/420/hydroponic-grow-journals/82414-rockclimber-builds-8000-watt-grow.html)who is doing a grow somewhat similar to yours in size. hes growing a non-veg, sog, perpetual grow using an ebb/flow, harvesting monthly. his journal is impressive too (complete with construction pics!).

my question is one concerning yield.

hes harvesting one 4x8 tray a month and yielding 5 lbs. a month while you generated 36.5 lbs. from 2 rooms and 14,000 lights in 2 months.

im trying to find a common demonimator between you two and decide if its better to use soil like you are doing or go with the ebb/flow.

could you clarify as to how big the main 8 light room is youre growing in and how many square feet of garden is being used?

in doing the math it seems like youre yielding over twice as much as rockclimber but i cant help but believe im missing something in my assumptions or calculations.

.00125 lbs/watt = 10 lbs/8000W (rockclimber over a 2 month period)
.00261 lbs/watt = 36.5 lbs/14,000W (tranoble over a 2 month period)

his sog is yielding 8.41 grams per plant on 108 plants (per 4x8 tray) but youre saying yours is much more....and youre saying youre planting every six inches and that means 105 plants in the same 4x8 area as rockclimber....yikes! im confused on where ive gone astray or what im missing here. 20% - 50% difference between 2 experienced growers is feasible but 100% is alot of difference.

lastly, do you think youd get any better a yield if you made your boxes out of 2x10's since the roots could grow deeper?

thanks again for the journal.

[razzapiggy]

It's fucking amazing he got such good results giving the plants such little room for root growth... truly amazing to see.

I am also a SunShine#4 user and I have grown with no drainage at all, I am curious if other people do the same thing with #4. Does it work fine because it's so airy? I would think you'd be shunned by other growers for not draining out most soil-like mediums...but for some reason SunShine seems to work fine without drainage. Can anyone else tell us about their experiences with the medium?

[jonnypotseed]

damn i love this thread.. read it many a many a time

[demonicronz]

nice man...just fukkin nice!:thumbsup:

[ganjzilla]

holy hell is that nice

[the joint meister]

i wish this guy would come back around here and post some nice bud pics!


peace out TjM

[tokr2153]

:rastasmoke: tranoble, great grow did u ever show pixs of your harvest man i would love to see some thanks:jointsmile:

[sublbc]

Hey rollin don't trip on the stretch. I grow mostly a strain called Critical Mass and they stretch a lot under HID's. This is good though because it gives me the oppertunity to bend and pull them exposing undergrowth to better light. Once the plants bend they go crazy! I have read that certain hormones in the plant go into action causing multiple areas that grow close to the size of the main cola.

[GaGrown]

Thanks for the 6 Stars Garden Knowm.

The room is a double garage. I have split it down the middle. I have another 6 lights that I just set up on the other side.

The roots bind together like crazy. When I replace my dirt after every show. I cut the dirt into squares. The dirt is stuck together from all the roots.

I think I have fixed my picture quality in my camera. It was set to Fine. I changed it to Uncompressed.

My frame is set to 2032x1536. I have been down sizing the pics to half the size before I up load them to the post. Otherwise It takes a long time. I have dial-up out here in the sticks. I know it sucks!

If anyone could tell me how to set my settings a little better on my Camera that would be so helpfull. How are you powering 12 lights? What watt are they? That's my kinda set-up!:thumbsup:

[PlantHeadJ]

First off I'de like to say that this thread is a wealth of info for those who are looking to excel. Tranoble, you are a modern hero for opening these jokers' eyes.
This man (Tran) is operating a growing op that you are all drooling over and yet you give him shit about his pictures, soil, hood, and co2 practices. Shut up and listen to the man!! Read the mother lovin thread!! Twice if you just burned!! I think that he is a very patient man who enjoys helping others where some of you are just looking to prove him wrong about something so you look cool for your friends. Whatever, this shit works!

Enough of that. Tranoble, I've been using sealed rooms for the past 15 years and have had great sucess and wouldn't go any other way. Controlled enviroment, right? Your feeding schedule is much more aggressive than mine which i find intrigueing because I have found with advance nutes that I get burn if I increase too much. I am going to try your schedule to a T and see what happens. Thank You for that schedule.
My next question is do you know off the top of your head what strains are more likely to adapt to your feed/CO2 schedule than others? I like blueberry, ak-47, cotton candy...but would rather use a strain that likes the aggressive sched.
Thank You Sir,
PlantheadJ

[TheBudBuster]

Second that. Thread above. ten out of ten:)

[StickyfingahZ]

I wish I could wake up and be you for a day!

[smok3y]

WOW:jawdropper: nice grow.

Any more pics of the final results?

[HighTillIDie]

These plants are in Day 4 of Veg.

What a difference in 1 day.

I think it's cause I spray them with Growth Excel every day right when the lights come on.

little tip, the plants best use foliar sprays, after exactly two hours of day light... trust me (first thing in the morning is good too though)

[and68i]

Great info..what is the ph of the water? do you add anything to the sunshine? thanks

[Tranoble]

The water PH is allways between 6.5 and 6. I dont mix any thing in the sunshine No.4.

[nemf 2000]

Hey tranoble awesome thread man i use it often. Who makes sunshine # 4 is from pro mix?

[Ktrain]

This is an amazing grow. Nice work!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::jointsmile:;)

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey what's going on beatiful SOG you have there. What's the count in those beds? That was all cut dryed and trimmed? If so what was your yield off that. You talk of watering whats your method? What kind of nutes you running in the water?

If you did not chop those down whats your normal yield per plant?

Looking good man fuck those guys that had you pay for those clones. That's messed up charge them double to smoke:jointsmile::jointsmile:

Good Luck

[Tranoble]

All those questions have been answered in the first few pages. If you havent read all the pages you should. I give alot of info and will answer any questions. Some times I take a little while to get back to ya because I travel alot now.

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey Tranoble my man. I copied your setup to a T. Except for the A/C units I could not find a water cooled unit. I purchased the CO2 6 burner with infared detector. I did the sealed room build everything knock on wood is solid. Iam currently running 3 LR1000's, 2 11000 BTU'S Ac's one 12" can filter. How much more does the sealed environment help the plants developments. I was having a PH problem but I was not running the CO2 in VEG which I just changed this week and the PH seems to have balanced out. I was not going to go SOG but I only have 12 DWC plants going and a few in soil maybe only 6-10 more. Yield is my concern. What I was going to do is leave the DWC and hydro Shit under 2 of the lamps and do a 4x4 bed with 30-40 plants in it. I just don't want to come up short I'm planning on starting the clones tomorrow 10 days into the EZ cloner after cloning put into the bed and 10 days later throw them into flower. How do you think I will make out with that set up? I have 8 Train Wrecks 4 Churches and was going to do Sensi Star NY CD @'s the clones. I know Yields are unpredictable but what type of potential do you see with my setup?

Great Thread and thanks for everything. After pumping out those beauty's you should be traveling with lots of $$$$$$ TOO LOL

Thanks again GL420

[axel]

Hydroponics | Hydroponic Supplies (http://www.bghydro.com)


Hydroponic System and Aeroponic System supplies online at Better Than Nature. (http://www.betterthannature.com)

are 2 shops that I know of that sell most of the equipment

except for the hoods..

LF Light Fixture Series - Bell Lighting Technologies Inc. (http://www.belllighting.com/product/lr-mv-main.htm)

[GreenLeaf420]

What up AXEL :jointsmile:
I kind of put my self into a jam with the whole DWC. I started out with 16 then dropped back to 12 w/ intension's of going w/ a bed like tranoble also. The buckets gave me every problem possible so far and been working to fix them. Now I think I ran into the worst problem so far. I'm either Root Bound or Root Rot issues I will have to see maybe some modifications will be necessary. That's what the whole system has been modifications a fucking nightmare. Well any I cut 20+ clones and tomorrow will cut another 30 in the next week I will have them in the EZ. After that I will transfer them and store in the VEG room than send them in W/ the buckets. I have to do this because the buckets are getting to big and need to flower....

Thanks for the info GL 420:jointsmile::jointsmile:

I have my CO2 PPM's @ 1100

I'm running 3 LR 1000 W/ Sunmaster Switchables..

23000 btu a/c Humidity 60 TEMP 82

[CreQisLeeT]

I allso drop my temps as cold as I can in the last 2 weeks that helps to harden my buds.

What temp do you drop to?

[CreQisLeeT]

I have answered some of your questions in the post above. Glad to see you are liking the stuff. It's amazing. Isnt it. Good luck. Just by using the Growth Excel im sure you will see better results. T-104 timer is a 240v timer try that. Just ask the guy at the hardware store how to wire it. Its pretty easy. If you need help I can post pics of mine.

I was also wondering how you wired your T-104 timer. If you had time to explain that would be greatly appreciated.

[GreenLeaf420]

Temps: AS cold as possible last two weeks lights on and off drop A/C's to maxxx...


T-104: In the Thread he said if you can not figure it out take it to the local Hydro Shop... Really it is back in thread I studied and copied his set-up...


Good Luck GL

He has been gone probably traveling the world with the good cash cropping he did.. Tranoble is like a lost legend on this site I can not wait till he pops in and I hope he sticks around a while... Dude definitely knows his shit!!!!

2005 and people are still copying his shit in 2008 he was ahead of the curve for sure

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey Tranoble my man. I copied your setup to a T. Except for the A/C units I could not find a water cooled unit. I purchased the CO2 6 burner with infared detector. I did the sealed room build everything knock on wood is solid. Iam currently running 3 LR1000's, 2 11000 BTU'S Ac's one 12" can filter. How much more does the sealed environment help the plants developments. I was having a PH problem but I was not running the CO2 in VEG which I just changed this week and the PH seems to have balanced out. I was not going to go SOG but I only have 12 DWC plants going and a few in soil maybe only 6-10 more. Yield is my concern. What I was going to do is leave the DWC and hydro Shit under 2 of the lamps and do a 4x4 bed with 30-40 plants in it. I just don't want to come up short I'm planning on starting the clones tomorrow 10 days into the EZ cloner after cloning put into the bed and 10 days later throw them into flower. How do you think I will make out with that set up? I have 8 Train Wrecks 4 Churches and was going to do Sensi Star NY CD @'s the clones. I know Yields are unpredictable but what type of potential do you see with my setup?

Great Thread and thanks for everything. After pumping out those beauty's you should be traveling with lots of $$$$$$ TOO LOL

Thanks again GL420

Disregard went soil in beds killed off the DWC pain in the ass.. Chicken wire my ass.... I like to play in Dirt the water is hectic with the DWC going to try NFT next time around. Cash crop the SOG with the 10 monsters and move back to the hydro side....

[JimmyPot]

Is your electric bill insane?

[TCdboy23]

hey tarnoble can you help me with my ultimate grow room please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Weezard]

hey tarnoble can you help me with my ultimate grow room please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aloha to you.

Lemme chuck in :twocents: here, just in case you are serious.

This Gentleman has done all of us a great service.
Almost everything you want to know is in this thread.
For Free!
I'd like to gently suggest that you begin at the beginning, continue until you get here,
then ask about anything that has not been covered.:)
:cool:?

Tranoble, sir, to you, from me.
Sincere thanks for risking your ass to help people you haven't met.
Yer a good man!

Mahalo nui loa,
Weezard

[mstalks]

Ok, first i want to say thanks for posting all this, but i have a few questions for you. About how much money goes into the construction of one of these rooms. Would it be possible to give an itemized list of expenses. lights, nutrients, soil, co2 burner and all devices. I have 2 10x10 rooms. I was thinking 3 1kw hps in each. Could you give me an idea of how many plants i could put in there, what i could yield, what the big costs for setup and maintenace will be, or any recommendations for a setup of this size. All info would be appreciated

[Dren]

Ok, first i want to say thanks for posting all this, but i have a few questions for you. About how much money goes into the construction of one of these rooms. Would it be possible to give an itemized list of expenses. lights, nutrients, soil, co2 burner and all devices. I have 2 10x10 rooms. I was thinking 3 1kw hps in each. Could you give me an idea of how many plants i could put in there, what i could yield, what the big costs for setup and maintenace will be, or any recommendations for a setup of this size. All info would be appreciated

For the love of god, read the damn thread before posting please.

[stinkyattic]

Hey folks, I want to jump in here and remind everyone of the site rule prohibiting overt talk of cashcropping on a large scale. I've removed a post that contained actual figures in dollar amounts per month running a particular setup- that's not going to fly.

Remember the med-used centered site theme please; I understand some of you may be part of a grow co-op that justifies a larger setup for multiple users, but please if you aren't, we don't want to know about it, or how much money you're making.

Thanks.

[veggii]

Tranoble nice grow man !!! i have been on canna.com for about a year and i have checking out all the indoor grows wondering why they all grow indoors cause they only get about a oz per plant seemed like alot work for only a little bit. I am used too getting several lbs per plant outdoors . but your grow makes it worthwhile for the indoor grow !! thx for sharing ;)

I have a question how much more yeild do you get from the 8 lamp vrs the 6 lamp

:hippy: :hippy: :hippy: :hippy: :hippy:

[TCdboy23]

hey tranoble great grow thread but i was just wondering i was on this other forum and this guy said using this exact style u can get up to 6 harvests a year i was just wondering if this was even possible with soil? i cant find the link right now but i will try later! thank! u:jointsmile:

[allrollsin21]

It does not matter what style you use in order to get six harvests a year. Theoretically if you have a Veg AND a flower room, and you grow a plant that finishes flowering in 7-8 weeks, then you can refill the flower room six times a year, and hence harvest six times. This is all good in theory, a bit more difficult in practice. I am sure thousands of people are doing it successfully, i just learned myself to focus on one grow at a time. good luck.

[d4twamp]

allrolls, I think he starts flowering when the clones are just rooted or very small not much time of vegging to keep them small to fit more plants per square ft. in the SOG

D:S5:

[allrollsin21]

4twamp that same method of six harvests will hold true with no veg time. two months to flower, 12 months a year and you can fit just about six flower cycles in that. That is one fine tuned high octane way of going about things!

[d4twamp]

Yup in a sog you can just start flowering a group of clones right when they grow feet and just make sure you have a good mom or a group of good mothers to replace the ones being harvested, and your off to the races...

D:S5:

[wilsonw9]

This could be a coincidence...

City man charged in huge pot ring (http://www.canada.com/burnabynow/news/story.html?id=422a0b6d-f0fa-4de8-ae7b-0acd932c5703)

As soon as I saw that first name in the article I thought of this thread.

[hedgehog]

I don't think so, that operation was of a scale 10x larger than what Tranoble was running... Still a reminder to all of us about the importance of security and discretion.

[dewby55]

Good lord. Sorry, I didn't have time or energy to read all of this thread, but I went through the pictures and am very impressed. How many plants did you have, exactly? I saw that you yielded 36.5 lbs.

I'm actually starting out with my first grow here in a couple weeks with an AeroFlo 60 site system, four 1000 watt HPS-MH conversion bulbs with my light system, 2 large air can filters, 2 reflective tents and putting this all in a house bedroom.

Not sure if you've had any experience aeroponic growing, but I was just curious as to how much you think I might yield? I'm hoping I can get at least 3 or 4 ounces off a plant, but I'm not entirely sure. Also, if you have any recommendations or advice for my system or methods that'd be great, thanks.

[ARoCk420]

TRANoble ...if you are still around.

Great thread, very thorough. I must ask you though, is it not a pain to work in such confining spaces around your beds? and what about pruning the plants in the middle of those tables, isn't it a pain in the ass? I have a very similar SOG set up and i have my beds on casters. It is an excellent way to get into the middle of the beds without damaging any ladies.

4' x 8' Bed

6/ea - 12" pieces of 4"x4"
6/ea - 4" Steel Casters (360 Swiveling)
6 on one side - 6 on the other


My mobile beds have saved my back and it's just convenient.


Cheers

[AustinKion420]

Hey guys have any of you heard of EXCEL AIR SYSTEMS?? They have complete do it yourself AIR COOLED AIR CONDITIONING. So you have your OUTDOOR CONDENSER and your INDOOR AIR HANDLER. They range in sizes from a 12,000 to 60,000 BTU units. and if NOISE is an issue then they can even cut the COMPRESSOR out of the OUTDOOR CONDENSER and put it into a sound deaded box that you place INSIDE the house so NO NOISE is OUTSIDE. Check out EXCEL AIR SYSTEMS (http://www.excelair.ca) These guys are the best in the world for a/c units for SEALED ROOMS. They also have a NEW DESIGNE of a CHARCOAL FILTER.

[phatsesh101]

nice

[c0mrade]

fricking can I have your address so I can come visit??????

I would love to smell that place :)


What does NARC stand for btw?

[d4twamp]

What does NARC stand for btw?

NARC is an abbreviation for NARCotics agent....

[c0mrade]

NARC is an abbreviation for NARCotics agent....

Yes, I know that.. But this guy is asking for his address, I know he's just joking but comon be serious a guy growing 200 plants or 1 plant is not gonna tell anyone specialy on the internet where he lives.

[switchback]

Wow great job ive bookmarked this lol dont think ive seend quite so nice of a grow besides myself lol 8 lighter must be useing 1000hps as i do sept mines only 4 havent got the curange to get that big yet i do ok up here in humbold county :) but pulling 1.5 are so per light i do alot better when useing co2 for sure i lost about 2 pounds last run due to my gererator dieing and had to wiat bummer.but awsome awsome room.I have one questiom i use 3 to 5 gal pots i been hearing alot useing beds my room is 10'x16' runing 4 1000 hps useing a t5 portible room for veging sept i have seen a huge diferance in veging time plants just take alot longer to miture to budding size.Anyhow is it posible to giuve me a idea exaculy how you are biulding your beds how wide deap i mean a full layout ive notice some rooms doing quite well more health in beds so mabe ya can give me a bit of how id go about doing grow beds thanks and agin awsome awsome room....:rastasmoke:

[switchback]

One other thing i love your setup so much think im going to switch to this setup lol so with useing c02 i take you dont need a intake and a outtake right the room is completely sealed useing fans and c02 only right?After this run i am so inpressed i plan on changing..

[d4twamp]

Switch - if your gonna go w/ a sealed environment and Co2 you also need a scrubber in the room to clean the air....

D

[555666]

Woaaa great job dude. I was wondering what kind of lights/wattage you were using and how many lights you used for that space??

[ozzydog]

Heres that new food schedule. This alot stronger. Two feeds one water. Two feeds one water. And so on..... This is based on 50 gal Res.


Micro Grow Bloom

WEEK 1 400 200 800

WEEK 2 500 250 1000

WEEK 3 600 300 1200

WEEK 4 700 350 1400

WEEK 5 800 400 1600

WEEK 6 900 450 1800

WEEK 7 1000 500 2000

WEEK 8 WATER

Can anyone tell me what this would be in metric sizes?
Looks quite different than the one on the AN site calculator. But this obviosly worked for the best, so I would like to try out this formula

[cture]

This is strong formula try first of
100 50 400
200 100 800
etc

[frostymcfailure]

ppm? Original Poster, great grow & thanks for donating the information on behalf of smokers everywhere. How exactly did you go about sealing this room? How air tight is it? Thanks! Also, what were the main problems you encountered first few rounds?:hippy:

[vantranist]

you only get $2300 a lb?

I dunno about where ur from but thats not that fine of weed around here... or ur really hookin some fools up...

Top dallar bud around SOcal is about $5000 an lb, $3000 JUST for chronic.

Stress is 1000-2000 and dirty brick weed is about $300 an lb.

You sure you aint gettin ripped off? Bud looks away killer for 2300 an lb.

[razzapiggy]

have read this thread many times before but don't recall where to find what pH water is he using with the SunShine#4? I am doing 5.8-6.0 and have had some decent results, some crops better than others.

Recently have been told by some very experienced people my pH should be 6.3-6.8 - I am utterly confused how much of a difference of opinion I'm finding on this topic.

[frostymcfailure]

i bet he got p0ed(arrested) because of some nark/dirtyy fucking snitch

[HanoHof]

Wow, awesome growa and great informational thread! Cheers to you
Tranoble

[ozzydog]

have read this thread many times before but don't recall where to find what pH water is he using with the SunShine#4? I am doing 5.8-6.0 and have had some decent results, some crops better than others.

Recently have been told by some very experienced people my pH should be 6.3-6.8 - I am utterly confused how much of a difference of opinion I'm finding on this topic.

PH should be between 6 and 6.8 in sunshine mix #4. So 6.3 would be great.

[denialisback]

wow 100,000 views.. congrats :)

clearly, you know how to grow your shit ;) thats legal medical grow, right? :O




Peace,:thumbsup:
Denial