Snopes...

[GHoSToKeR]

...Beeblebrox mentioned a site earlier called Snopes. Being bored, I checked it out and found it quite interesting. I browsed it for a while, and looked through the photographs section (photographs which have been circulating the internet which people have doubts about their athenticity... Scopes tries to find out the real story behind them). I clicked a link without reading it, which was really fucking stupid, because on the page it took me there was a video, so I hit play (again, without fucking reading anything on the page), and the video started to play. It showed a small room - which I later discovered to be a cell or an interview room at a police station - with a table and chair, and then a guy who appears to be a cop brings in another guy in handcuffs and sits him down. Then he undoes the handcuffs, puts his keys and a couple of things on the table, then leaves to get the guy who was in handcuffs a bottle of water. The guy takes a sip of the water, reaches in to his pants, pulls out a gun, puts the lid back on the bottle of water and shoots himself in the head. I can't describe how sick I feel. :(

[Beeblebrox.420]

In case anyone wants to find the site, it's called Snopes (http://snopes.com/), not Scopes. And this (http://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/interrogate.asp) is the story in question, which Snopes says is true. Man, those cops fucked up. Bringing a guy into the police station with a freaking gun in his pocket? Wow. That's incompetent.

[GHoSToKeR]

My bad.

[poorman3]

yes, that was incompetent as hell! thanks for the link though.

[Juggalotus17]

That mother fucker was probably on this third strike in Cali.. Didn't wanna go back to the joint ;). I've seen that video a few times before. I don't find it disturbing. Well, I don't find many things disturbing, I watched an autopsy video while eating some fruit loops and a bagel and didnt get sick. :P

I could be a police officer and have no problem going to all the car crashes and shit and seeing the mangled bodies, that wouldn't affect me one bit.
What would effect me is the family or whatever afterwards crying and shit. :( that shit really fucks with me.

[Capt. Carl]

I saw that exact video and watched it like 5 times. i wasn't as much grossed out as i was perplexed becasue it was so weird.

[GHoSToKeR]

Yeah, it was really wierd... Like the explanation of the video said, what's wierd is that it's nowhere near as glamorous as the stuff we see in movies. The guy isn't shaking or nervous, he's not crying.. he just pulls out the gun, puts the cap back on the water bottle, and blows himself away. Even the way he dies isn't as glamorous as we would have imagined. It's all just so.... mundane?

I know you probably think i'm a pussy for being so disturbed by this video, but people here who know me will understand, I think. lol

[Beeblebrox.420]

If that video bothered you that much, you definitely want to stay away from ogrish.com. Trust me on this. It's like Faces of Death on steroids. Among other things, they have the video of the terrorists beheading that poor guy last year.

Yeah, I watched it, but...*shudder*

[GHoSToKeR]

Thanks for the warning... lol...

I kinda understand how some people can watch that once, just for the 'experience' (I guess), but I would never do it myself.. All those kinds of videos would do is upset me, so i'd rather not even watch them once. There must be some people, though, who enjoy those types of things........ But to each his own, I guess?

[Beeblebrox.420]

Unfortunately, there are sonme people who enjoy that sort of thing a little too much, if you know what I mean.

[Dick Justice]

I've seen more than my fair share of disgusting snuff films. It leaves me with one lingering question:

HOW HAS EARTH LASTED SO LONG?

[TasteTheRainbow]

I hate those videos...I'm still haunted by that guy who was decapitated by those terrorist people. :(

Snopes is a really good site, I found it a few yrs ago when I kept getting stupid forward emails from my family. LOL

[Encatuse]

The first time I got stoned, someone put on a Faces of Death tape. I guess I just don't understand what fascinates some people with the death process so much. But then I really think about it, and I could see myself being a sick person if like, some guy raped my sister or something. I could see wanting to watch them die. But not just for shits and giggles, yknow? I dunno, I guess I'm rambling. An addled brain an addled brain I have I have I have. I would feed him his testicles. -laughs- Isn't that fucking terrible? So, I guess if you were a really empathetic person ((the word of the day is empathy)) you could get into snuff films. You could feel for the person who gets to kill somneone else or something. If you were capable of imagining the person dying, being someone you want dead, you could get a giggle or something. Maybe? Im just throwing theories out here, I'm not sure what I believe. I think they're gross. Seeing a head explode makes my head want to explode. I think anyone who watches them and enjoys them are too angry at humans as a whole.

[Beeblebrox.420]

...I'm still haunted by that guy who was decapitated by those terrorist people. :( If it makes you feel any better, I'm reasonably convinced he was already dead when they cut his head off - there wasn't any sign of arterial spurting, which should have been considerable, if he were alive (although the quality was too poor to be sure). Plus, he didn't appear to be struggling the way he ought to have, IMO. All the motion of his body could be explained by his captors manipulating him. Also, the screaming seemed to me to last too long. It should have cut off as soon as the carotid artery was severed, since the sudden drop in blood pressure would have caused him to immediately lose conciousness. Still pretty guesome, though.

[GHoSToKeR]

If you find any kind of enjoyment, pleasure or gratification out of watching somebody get hurt or killed than you're sick. I think it's that simple. It doesn't matter if this person has harmed you or somebody you care for in the past - in fact, this should make it easier for you to empathise with them, because you wouldn't want to inflict the same pain on them that they inflicted on you or your loved one. At least, that's the way I see it. I might be wrong, but it doesn't matter because all I know is that I am never going to act this way.. whether i'm wrong or right on this subject i'm never going to get enjoyment or any kind of gratification from watching somebody suffer.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I did not see the suicide video, on Snopes or elsewhere, but I hope that people do not get the impression that the website features a lot of violence, suicide, etc. It's mostly concerned with separating fact from fiction, such as urban legends, myths, chain e-mails, hoaxes etc. The vast majority of the things that they discuss are NOT true - with a few exceptions including extraordinary events, exaggerations, partially true stories, etc. Itâ??s helped me to clear up a lot of misinformation that is circulated through e-mail.

[GHoSToKeR]

Yeah, I didn't mean to slander the sight. I think it's a great site, and i've got it saved in my favourites... I was just angry at myself for not reading the page before I watched the video.

[Encatuse]

I'm just not as attached to human life, ghost. That doesn't make me sick. If someone raped my sister. I would get enjoyment out of destroying them. If any of you fuckers rape my sister, I WILL get the enjoyment of destroying you, so don't even fucking think about it.

I'd be happy and stuff, because I am, but that would be inappropriate for a snuff thread. So I'm wearing my glum face. Snuff films aren't particularly disturbing to me I guess, just boring and gross.

[GHoSToKeR]

To me they're less gross and more disturbing. Is there even a difference? Who knows.. lol This video mainly disturbed me because I wasn't expecting it.. Trust me, if I knew what it was I wouldn't have watched it. What gets to me the most, though, is that people feel that these videos need to be available to the public, which suggests that there is a public demand for them, which means that some people obviously get some kind of enjoyment out of watching horrible things happen to people. I'll never understand that.

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

Beeb, ogrish.com, if you go on videos and then preview video (i only saw it once out of curiosity) then the one where someone has their foot on the russian guy's head, and puts the knife in their neck and saws it backwards and forwards through the front of their neck, then leaving their head hanging off and watching them wriggle around on the floor, that's sick, and the guy with his arms tied to two cars, and they drive away ripping one of them off (if you don't like the description, don't hate me, i know you love me really).
Those videos are pretty gross, doesn't make me feel sick or anything, but i don't enjoy watching them..
As the site says, "Can you handle the real world?" (or some shit like that)

Ever read the message boards on there? some people there are seriously fucked up!

[GHoSToKeR]

I'm curious as to whether sites like Ogrish have ever actually inspired somebody to do this kind of thing to somebody and film it? So they can sumbit it to a site like that or whatever... I see on the site it says they are looking for "Exclusive uncensored content providers".

[GHoSToKeR]

Oh fuck.. I just read through some of the stuff they have at Ogrish without actually watching any of it. Why in the fuck would anybody wanna see that? A woman being raped and murdered, people committing suicide, murders, executions, brutality, etc... I mean, fuck......

[Encatuse]

I figured it out. I found the science. -laughs- The reason behind why there's a demand for those sites.

People like getting riled up!! Adrenaline feels good. Addiction to passion. There are the oddballs who actually like it, but I betcha the majority of their viewers hate what they are seeing. That's gotta be it. Emotions taste good to our brain. So we feed them drama however we possibly can. Drama gives us emotions. Don't bloat your brain with too much of them there emotions. Gluttony apllies to emotions too.

[cheyenne]

That OGRISH site is pretty gross. I watch the one where they took an average looking hunting knife and sawed off the czech guys head. If you turn the sound up you can hear the guy screaming through his taped mouth. That one gave me nightmares for weeks. There are some really gross ones involving auto accidents and one of a young girl being group raped. I watched a few but I like to stay away from that site. There's already too many bad things in the news. I just can't fathom how some people are capable of such acts. I want to believe people are better than than.

[TasteTheRainbow]

There are the oddballs who actually like it, but I betcha the majority of their viewers hate what they are seeing. That's gotta be it.

Yeah, it's like a trainwreck...you don't really wanna see, but cant' help but look. That's how it was to me anyways.

[Mirno Sctlnd]

Yeah stuff like the raping and that on ogrish is just fascinating to me. Now don't get me wrong I dont find it funny or get any enjoyment out of it, just after seeing it, it makes me think just how fucked the world must be for stuff like that to be happening every minute. I mean when your sitting rolling a joint another human somewhere else could be getting their fucking head cut off and I just find that really hard to imagine.

[Encatuse]

One Truth Prevails!

[GHoSToKeR]

Of course that shit is happening, but why the fuck do you need to see it?

[GHoSToKeR]

Oh, and Encatuse, I think you're right. Different emotions send different chemicals to receptors all over the body, and eventually your body craves these chemicals the same way it craves a drug, so people can actually become addicted emotions. I guess people could actually crave the feeling they get from seeing horrible things like at Ogrish, but still, no amount of anything would ever make me watch a single video on that site. Watching that shit is still twisted, no matter what your reason is.

[JSTA]

Ghost, I'm with you 100% on this one. I saw the "guy commiting suicide" thing in the title and immediately closed it. My friend once pulled a faces of death on me while we were stoned and it scared the shit outta me, I damn near threw up (plus it killed the high so I wasn't too happy lol). I can understand why some people watch it, but jesus, that stuff is still really fucked up.

[Az.]

im going to try to be careful with what i say so you dont get the wrong idea....but i watch a lot of things like that....i saw the russian getting his head cut off with the hunting knife and i thought the worst part about it was the fact that they started cutting behing his windpipe!
I dont enjoy watching people dying but i do find it interesting the way that they do actually just die! just like that.....some people have no respect for theirs and others lives.
i just find it ....(a word i cant think of)

[GHoSToKeR]

but actually watching someone getting their head chopped off? Shit, nothing is worth watching that... wow

[GHoSToKeR]

Seriously, sorry for the double post, but I really, really can't imagine watching a guy getting his head cut off with a hunting knife.. I mean, there is so much wrong with that I don't know where to start... wow

Edit: Shit... it's just not normal to wanna watch that... I'm not being funny, but i'm really shocked at how people would even consider wanting to... fucking hell.. lol

[GHoSToKeR]

Shit, it's not even the act itself that makes it so disturbing (by that I mean it wouldn't be the blood and shit that I found hard to see), it's just actually witnessing one human doing that to another... jesus :(

[Az.]

Shit, it's not even the act itself that makes it so disturbing (by that I mean it wouldn't be the blood and shit that I found hard to see), it's just actually witnessing one human doing that to another... jesus :(

i think thats why i find it interesting......even though saying its interesting sounds stupid, but i do.
Ill never understand how someone can do that to someone else. (apart from fighting for a cause)
And what makes videos like that worse is the sound...

[Encatuse]

Just so you know ghost, people who watch that stuff aren't "sick", they're just different from you. -shrugs- It's not like they're actually doing that stuff. There are alot of very normal people who have watched that stuff I'm sure. I mean the fact that faces of death be such a huge money maker says something, since it's not like everyone who watches those is going out and hitting people with shovels.

But stop makin the people who find that stuff interesting feel bad. -laughs- Beeble can watch that stuff clearly, and beeble seems a pretty sane and respectable guy.

[potpimp]

Alot of those faces of death scenes are faked.
The most disturbing thing i ever saw was a guy who was being investigated for corruption holds a press conference. He hands all his assistants envelopes, then in the last envelope he pulls out a gun. He says something like its all for the best and shoots him self on live TV in the head. Its the most blood i ever saw in my life. Many people who see this video think its fake because they are used to hollywood headshots with a little bit of blood.

[FunkyMonkey]

consumptionjunction.com

check out their video section ( yea most of y'all wont get past the free smut section lol)

[GHoSToKeR]

Look, Encatuse. I never like to say people are wrong or strange just because they like something that I don't, or that they have a different opinion to my own. I try and be as open-minded and understanding as I can. But there is a limit to the kind of stuff you can get away with just by saying "we're not wrong, just different". I would never say this about anybody or anything unless I really meant it, but there must be something wrong with a person who can sit down and actually watch a guy getting his had hacked off, or a woman getting raped and murdered. Whether it disgusts you or not, it doesn't matter. I dunno, maybe society has been desensitized to the point where this kind of shit is considered normal or acceptable or maybe even enjoyable. Fuck, I really don't know how to express my distate in words, and I usually can't keep my mouth shut... I've been thinking about this shit ever since I heard about the site - I really wish I hadn't heard of it because it's really affected me. I dunno, maybe I sound like a pussy, but I don't care. Hearing that people - supposedly normal, average, everyday people - can actually watch this has really upset me in a way I that can't put my finger on.

I always thought the world was a shitty place, but I try and make the most of it.... but my opinion of humans as a whole just got alot worse and I don't know what the fuck to think right now. I might be over-reacting but I really don't think I am. Shit, I don't know.

[Encatuse]

...can't imagine watching a guy getting his head cut off with a hunting knife.. I mean, there is so much wrong with that I don't know where to start...

Sorry, this was the part I mis-read. I thought you were saying there was so much wrong with watching that you don't even know where to start, rather then saying there was so much wrong with the act itself you don't know where to start.

Again, my bad.

[GHoSToKeR]

There's so much wrong with the whole thing - a guy getting his head cut off with a hunting knife (do I even need to pinpoint the discrepencies in the normality of this situation?) and people watching it on video. I dunno if it's just me, but something seems slightly iffy about the whole scenario.

[Beeblebrox.420]

It's not a new phenomenon, Ghost. Video and the internet may be new, but people clamoring to see gore is as old as history itself. Folks used to flock to high-profile public executions by the hundreds, or even thousands. Gladiatorial combat drew huge crowds on a regular basis. Bloodlust is a part of the human psyche we are never going to fully eliminate. Now, for me, I didn't enjoy watching that video, and in fact, only did so in order to participate in a discussion about it. It didn't freak me out, but nor did I derive any pleasure out of it, at all.