My GrowRoom - 10x Dutch Dragon - Paradise Seeds

[GrowBitch2013]

Hola it's me again, maria.
In my "introduce yourself" post i promised to upload a photo of my setup.

Here are some details:
Kinggreen Grow Tent 1,50x1,50x2,00m (sorry for the metric system ;-) )
EVSG Lumatek 400W/600W
800ccbm outgoing air (running at 40%)
18 liter pots with Bio Bizz Light Mix
10 x Dutch Dragon (fem.) from Paradise Seeds
6 Weeks old 18h/6h
Fertilizer: Hesi Starter Set for Soil (using 75% of the Hesi Soil Scheme)
The first 4 Weeks under fluorescent tubes, since 2 Weeks under 400Whps.


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6 days before:
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Do u think it's time to switch 12/12 ?

[tlranger]

Looks like a nice modern system. Time to switch? One factor I've learned here, immature age- will have paired parallel branches or growth nodes, mature enough will have alternating growth nodes(you've probably seen this as you have torn up a nice big bud to enjoy.

Other factor will be your finishing height. The space available for finishing. Your plants will double in height(approximately) you'll need room for your light to be far enough away to avoid burning them, further at 600 than 400.use your hand to see how close you can be.

Having fun yet? You will I bet.

[GrowBitch2013]

Having fun ? Sometimes I can't sleep because of thinking about my babies. I could watch them for hours every day :-D

I will make more photos and upload them...

[Chromophore]

Very nice, clean operation. But as a first time grower with a tendency to over-think things and obsess, I am finally learning to relax a little and just enjoy growing these plants. It's about balance, and it will take time to find it, but I can't afford to lose any more sleep over a yellow leaf. And yes, that has happened.;)

[OMB]

Very nice, clean operation. But as a first time grower with a tendency to over-think things and obsess, I am finally learning to relax a little and just enjoy growing these plants. It's about balance, and it will take time to find it, but I can't afford to lose any more sleep over a yellow leaf. And yes, that has happened.;)

That's a fact! Lol...I'm stressing my baby issues right now. :(
Nice looking grow, growbitch2013!

[Chromophore]

gb2013, obviously it all depends on strain and how big you want your plants to get, but I started mine in a very similar sized tent and at some point around 4 weeks the plants just exploded in size. They were growing up into the lights and into each other. Do you have a separate larger space, or is this tent all you have at the moment?

[d00g]

Nice looking setup Growb! While currently in my first grow, I am dealing with all the same things as everyone has mentioned - worrying about small things, staring at the plants and getting lost in thought (and hope), staying up at night thinking about them. I love it. I just altered my cabinet setup a little bit, and I love continually thinking about what I want to do next.

[GrowBitch2013]

hey d00g, why are u using my ass as your thumbnail ? stop it :-D
Oh, Sorry I got the leaf on the left side ;-) fail ;-)

[GrowBitch2013]

Here are the new Pics:
Technique Overview:
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Plants Overview:
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Clones I took yesterday (2 of each plant):
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Some Diseases:
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Had some nutrience problems a few weeks ago, but worked out fine. plants are growing very well.
Should I do think more about these diseases ? What do you think ? Thanks for your help ;-)

P.S. All Supporters will be invited to harvesting festival ;-)

[Chromophore]

This looks more like nutrient problems than disease to me, but the more experienced here need to weigh in. Note how the leaf tips curl sharply down and the yellowing is stronger away from the petiole. In most plants this is a sign of excess nitrogen and/or over-watering.

[Chromophore]

Also gb2013, that last pic looks a lot like pictures I've seen of phosphorus deficiency.Excess nitrogen and out of range pH can affect proper absorption of different minerals. Can you post details on your water source, pH and nutrient densities?

[catbuds]

hey d00g, why are u using my ass as your thumbnail ? stop it :-D
Oh, Sorry I got the leaf on the left side ;-) fail ;-)

-- Oh you've got the humour to fit right in here! Looks like we have a new fun family member! Yeah! Girls rule!!!!
-- Chromophores right on the nutes & maybe over watered. I always start out with my nutes at 1/2 strength till they're used to it. Dont feel bad though, even us old hands do that sometimes. When you grow a strain thats new to you for the first time, you kinda feel your way around a little. Sometimes the new one likes less nutes than the last one you grew & you get a little nute burn. Sometimes it likes more, & will tell you by being pale, like a light, bright green.
-- Looks good. I like your set up!~~~~Welcome to the family!~~~~ ;)

[GrowBitch2013]

Thanks a lot. PH is at 6.2. Hesi TNT 40ml/10L
I started with the full scheme (50ml/10L) -> I got curled leaves.The one on the pictures are at this age.

But the overview looks healthy ?
By the way I topped three of the four plants in the rear line. Hope they will do fine.
I plan to switch to 12/12 on New Years Day ;-)

Hope my clones will do fine :-)
But I think so. Clonex and a Heat Mat should do the job ;-)

[GrowBitch2013]

And another question I am thinking about since a few days.

I have an old lightrail a friend gave me. I think a photo could make this easier, just watch:

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Do you think it's worth to use the light rail for this small movement ?

Do you noticed the small red circles ? Just want to show u the coolest lamp holders ;-)
They're called "Easy Rolls" - about ten dollars - every penny worth ;-)

(No Commercial, No Links, just a hint ;-) )

[catbuds]

Maybe usefull later, but not necessary for now. Youre getting good light coverage. But that will definitely change as they grow! I hope all of mine aren't female, I'm running out of space! I hope you can enlarge your space or you could get over crowded really fast. Great looking setup & beautiful plants! Everything is so clean & healthy! ;) ;) ;)

[GrowBitch2013]

Thanks a lot ;-)

The Space is 5x5 feet and 7 feet high - for 10 plants (2,25 sqm). I was worrying to fill this place out with ten babies ;-)
I read in many books numbers between 9 and 16 plants per sqm..
I planed to use 16 plants the next run ;-) - would be seven per sqm.

[catbuds]

Ok. That will work as long as you finish them sm & aren't trying for those 3'-4' plants. I'm growing sog & hope to finish at around 2' (I think in metric, 3' is around a meter). SOG, or sea of green. My favorite method for sm spaces. Hardest part about a lot of plants in a sm space is air flow. Gets co2 to the plants, keeps down insects & disease. Your plants are SO pretty, just keep in mind they get wider too! ;) ;) ;)

[GrowBitch2013]

Can't stop thinking about using the rail. Hard to find the right words.
I believe that when the light is moving, even only that short way,
that the light falls in in different angles, so the lower parts of the plant will get more light.

Here's a pic to show u my thinkings:

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What do you think ?

Maybe i don't use it the first run and then use it the second run to compare ;-)

[tlranger]

Can tell you want to use the light rail. Have a light rail and a 5x10 tent. First try went with two 1000w hps, too hot for me, used a 8" axial to vent, with speed control. Was able to finish grow and got some nice stuff, far from my first grow but thought temps to hard to fight(out in cali, saw tent sucked down by such a fan). So removed one light and put in light rail.
Now my tent is old enough to have plastic corners, every top connection broke under constant moment. Was able to rebuild using 2x2 lumber, but removed the rail. Still think it was combination of vibration and temps.

Know that new models some have gone to metal corners, think they were aware of problem.

Since have gone to one 1000w hps on top, and two 4'fl + two cfl' s on the ends. Temps down, no vibration & plants seem to enjoy. 297113

[GrowBitch2013]

@tlranger

how many plants do u have on this space ?

[tlranger]

@tlranger

how many plants do u have on this space ?

25 on each side

[GrowBitch2013]

Time for flowering ;-)

I started flowering period on new years day, which means now it is flowering day 3.

Here is a pic:
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Unbelievable - they're exploding ;-) Getting really bushy :-D

Look a pic three days ago ;-)
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[Chromophore]

Unbelievable - they're exploding ;-) Getting really bushy :-D

This is what surprised me. My plants just shot up like rockets the first week of 12/12. Everything I had read up to then said that growth stopped during flowering. I would just stand there thinking, "Oh, Crap. What did I do? Accidentally give them the wrong fertilizer?" Old timers here told me to chill out and enjoy the ride.:D

[growdemon]

nice clean setup and great looking plants

Happy growing!

[tlranger]

Time for flowering

Unbelievable - they're exploding

Mine usually grow nice for a week or two, till that top bud gets going, then slow down to make some weight.

Isn't it cool!!!

[GrowBitch2013]

I stoped giving Hesi TNT Complex. Here's the fertilizer programm i started to beginn the flowering period:

40 ml/ 10L Hesi Bloom Complex
40ml/10L Hesi Root Complex
8ml/10L Hesi PowerZyme
2 drops Hesi supervit / 10l

PH at 6.0
temps: day: 22
night: 18

I'm so afraid, could watch the ladies every free minute. I must learn not always to think about my guests :-D
Only thing I am worrying about is my clones. After 6 days no roots... hope they will show up ;-) Will they ? *g*

Have a nice weekend guys. Thanks a lot for all the compliments and the good advices.
I learned a lot and i think i will get this thing finished.

[Chromophore]

How do the clones look? Are they erect and healthy? If so, the roots will come. Mine take about 10-14 days to see poking out of their rockwool cubes. But if rooting doesn't occur, or it rots, you'll know, because the tops will start to fade quickly.

[tlranger]

Right on chromo ten days to two weeks, if their not going to take, they will start to go down hill fat after that.

[OMB]

I have found that when topping, those clones take twice as long to root The fastest rooting ones have been taken from closer to the base of the plant. The ones with strong "twig like" stems have rooted in as little as 3 day's, while the tops were 14-15 day's and one of them didn't make it.
I only have 1 clone going right now. It was a "twig" trimming from mama when I was just thinning her. I had actually tossed it into a small trash can and I was sitting at my bench relaxing when saw it in the can and felt sorry for it.
So I pulled it out, gave it a quick angle cut further up the stem and quickly put it in a cup of water while I got my cup and hormone powder out.
I split the stem in a + pattern about a 1/4 inch up, scored it, then put it in a small cup with happy frog.
I didn't even dome it...I put it in the shade of the mama plant, misted it and wished it luck.
That was Wednesday and it is still standing and looking fine. I bet it makes it. Anyway, the point was to try some cuttings further down with sturdy stems, not the soft, thicker, topping cuttings. They root faster, they seem hardier, and have been completely unfazed with re-potting.
I feel a little silly giving a guy with your credentials grow advice, but I did find life much easier, (and less stressful) with the lower cuttings.
just my rookie .02

[tlranger]

OMB A whole cloning thread, in one post. Good job. Think the whole bottom clones better than the top is caused by geotroprisum(sp. Help me out here).

[Shovelhandle]

"Clones" have roots or even a full grown plant, "cuts", "cuttings" or "slips" do not have roots yet. Just so we know what we are talking about when we are speaking this matter.
Examples: I got some clones in the mail. So are they rooted or are they just cuts? There is a difference.
Buying clones in a dispensary, they are usually well rooted.
My friend gave me a dozen clones from his plant. So he rooted them and gave them to you or are they slips that you have to root yourself?

[Chromophore]

I have found that when topping, those clones take twice as long to root The fastest rooting ones have been taken from closer to the base of the plant. The ones with strong "twig like" stems have rooted in as little as 3 day's, while the tops were 14-15 day's and one of them didn't make it.

I will admit to being confused about this. I have read just the exact opposite in many guides to cloning. I have always taken healthy cuts from the upper part of the plant, and so for I am 12 for 12. So the issue must simply be speed of rooting, not necessarily success rate. My logic for taking top cuts was simply that the growth was more substantial, so the cut had more resources to give it a healthy lease on life. But OMB if you are having this kind of success AND speed, I may start taking lower twigs from now on.

[OMB]

It is confusing...seems like the upper cuttings, (not clones, thanks shovelhandle) with the fresh growth would do better, but that hasn't been the case for me.
I don't know...but give a twig a try Chromophore, not much to lose really. :)

[GrowBitch2013]

Maria again with good news - everything running fine (in my opinion - correct me please if I am wrong)

8 days of flowering - plants are really exploding :-D

Look at this:

Overview:
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Flowering Begin:
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Singe Plant view: ( a smaller one :-D )
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Clone View: 100 % rooted (yes, i like it)
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And a sad message. I stopped meeting Marry Jane while my Grow runs.
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This photo show my emotions (and a nice stem :-D )

Last but not least - Overview to show you the explosion I am talking about :-D
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Should I make a Grow Log out of this ?
Starting a new post ? Or should I go on in this thread ? (what is correct ? )

Thanks guys (and girls of course)

[crystaliscious]

I will admit to being confused about this. I have read just the exact opposite in many guides to cloning. I have always taken healthy cuts from the upper part of the plant, and so for I am 12 for 12. So the issue must simply be speed of rooting, not necessarily success rate. My logic for taking top cuts was simply that the growth was more substantial, so the cut had more resources to give it a healthy lease on life. But OMB if you are having this kind of success AND speed, I may start taking lower twigs from now on.

I agree seems like upper plant material would provide better cuttings but I have also had more success from the bottom- don't 'get' it just do it now

[catbuds]

Hey girl! Babies are beautiful! As clean & pristine as you keep your grow tent, I see you never having an insect or disease problem! I always say, prevention... with hygiene being the major player, & your grow is the poster child for great hygiene! ;) (my grow is probably the only hygienic area in my home, except cat & dog feed area! See where my priorities lay! Hahaha!)
-- By all means start a thread in the grow logs! All your friends are there & its a fun place to be!!!! Keep doing what you're doing with those beautiful plants! You (& those of us watching) won't be disapointed! Not that I'm one to jump the gun & rush things ( hehehe, yeah, right !), but can't wait to see your harvest! Thanks for sharing your experience! ;) ;) ;)

[d00g]

Ladies are lookin' sexy! Keep up the good work, Maria! :thumbsup:

[GrowBitch2013]

Thank you Catbuds. I started a Thread in the Grow Log Area.


Hope you all have fun.

[OMB]

I will admit to being confused about this. I have read just the exact opposite in many guides to cloning. I have always taken healthy cuts from the upper part of the plant, and so for I am 12 for 12. So the issue must simply be speed of rooting, not necessarily success rate. My logic for taking top cuts was simply that the growth was more substantial, so the cut had more resources to give it a healthy lease on life. But OMB if you are having this kind of success AND speed, I may start taking lower twigs from now on.

Sorry Maria, I'm not trying to "threadjack" you but a quick update on my little cutting I mentioned above. 1 week till roots showed. Cutdown cup with 2 inches of soil and I just chucked under the shade of the Mama...No dome, misted a couple times a day and we are off to the races.
Love those twig cut's.

[GrowBitch2013]

@OMB - One Week is really fast. I will try this method the next run. Thx a lot.

[Chromophore]

And to add to OMB's story, I recently took cuttings from tops of the plants, domed, humidity and all that, and 2 of the 5 cuttings have already died. I'm going with twigs from now on!

[Weezard]

And to add to OMB's story, I recently took cuttings from tops of the plants, domed, humidity and all that, and 2 of the 5 cuttings have already died. I'm going with twigs from now on!

There is some logic to it.

The terminal bud produces Auxins.
Auxins retard the growth of the lower branches, giving Cannabis a pine tree shape.

Topping a plant removes the main Auxin source and allows the lower branches to grow.
It's a survival thing.

I had slow rooting from lower branch cuttings, so went and did some reading, (can ya tell) :)

Given the Auxin information, it becomes obvious that topping, or fimming should be done several hours before taking cuttings from lower branches .
When Auxin levels drop, they start a growth spurt, and I have had roots in three days!

The growth spurt needs water though, and without roots, the cuttings will be very stressed trying to transpire.
We can mitigate that by keeping the light very low, (instead of chopping off half the leaf mass), until the water roots pop out.
Then, kick the light up a notch and watch them take off! :)

Works so well, I quit using rootone, etc.
Just hack 'em off with a rusty razor and plop em in a beer bottle full of tap water.

If it allows for lazy, I like it.
If it allows for cheap, I love it!

Because sometimes, "Half-assed is more than good enough." (Our State motto, according to Weeze)

Aloha,
Wee,

[Chromophore]

Excellent Weezard and it made me start thinking about Auxins and I recall that excessive amounts of Auxins, especially IAA (which is basically what "rootone" is) inhibit root elongation, but stimulate root production. So, you get initiation of a cluster of many tiny roots initially, rather than actively elongating forms. So its probably a good idea to flush the medium your in once adventitious roots initiate. This would also explain why your method works best, because the plant is directing the proper Auxins to the proper places. Even with my Salvia I have better luck just rooting in water than using rooting hormone and rockwool and all that fuss. I get lots of long roots. I also hate this idea of cutting the leaves in half. I've done it and had success, but why on Earth do we want to add yet ANOTHER stress to what this poor little cutting must endure. Humidity up, light down, leaves ok.

[Weezard]

Indeed!
Then, when the cuttings need energy the most, those half a leaf babes are way behind in both stored, and light-generated, energy, yah?
I'm jus' sayin' no throw away what will be useful later.

Aloha, y'all

Wee