Need advice for people who think weed = heroin. Help Please

[tripsteady]

Hi Guys

So I have a bit of a problem.

I have had major back surgery in the last 2 weeks and using cannabis to medicate. There is nothing like it , relieves my constipation, allows me to go to sleep , no side effects prevents me from taking a large amount of painkillers.

Anyway , due to the nature of my surgery I have to stay with my parents. They are south african indian and have been brought up in the mindset that marijuana is a terrible drug equal to ecstasy , heroin etc and i should never ever be doing it.

They caught me yesterday and lost it (im 25 years old). They took my weed from me and want me to never touch it again. This is making my recovery much much harder.

What are the best resources to show my parents the medicinal benefits of marijuana and how it really isnt bad for your body at all?

[Weezard]

We have all been lied to for a very long time.
This is going to be an uphill battle.

So here's some help.

If they are worried that you will become an anti-social drug fiend, show them this;

LaGuardia Committee Report on Marihuana -- Summary and Discussion (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/lag/sumdis.htm)
It's a summary of the 1939 Mayor LaGuardia report.

If they are concerned about habituation, addiction, overdose, etc., show them these;

The Probable Health Effects of Cannabis (http://www.druglibrary.net/schaffer/hemp/general/who-probable.htm)

And should they drag out the Nahas & Latour 1992 hatchet job, this;

The human toxicity of marijuana: a critique of a review by Nahas and Latour (http://www.ukcia.org/research/nahas.php)



"But smoking is bad for you!"

True dat!
But it has recently been shown, that people who smoke cannabis have less lung problems than people who smoke nothing at all.

Think about that!
Healthier lungs than total non-smokers.
That's huge!
This is definitely not the case with tobacco smokers! :(

That should get you started.

Once they see that it is rather innocuous, you can break the news about it's healing potential.

Safest pain killer ever, but that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Here's a pre-cancerous, fugly, mole.
291944


Here's that same mole on cannabis
291945
Another few weeks and it will be a tiny, white, scar.

I think you get the picture. :)
So far, I'm a cancer survivor 6 years on, thanks to Rick Simpson oil, (Phoenix tears).
I did no chemo or radiation, jJust oil from god's good herb.

My dear friend is still alive after 14 months with an aggressive Astrocytoma thanks to Cannabis.
The scans show no growth!

That should get you going.
And remember, google will find almost anything.

Aloha, Be well.

Wee 'zard

[tripsteady]

We have all been lied to for a very long time.
This is going to be an uphill battle.

So here's some help.

If they are worried that you will become an anti-social drug fiend, show them this;

LaGuardia Committee Report on Marihuana -- Summary and Discussion (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/lag/sumdis.htm)
It's a summary of the 1939 Mayor LaGuardia report.

If they are concerned about habituation, addiction, overdose, etc., show them these;

The Probable Health Effects of Cannabis (http://www.druglibrary.net/schaffer/hemp/general/who-probable.htm)

And should they drag out the Nahas & Latour 1992 hatchet job, this;

The human toxicity of marijuana: a critique of a review by Nahas and Latour (http://www.ukcia.org/research/nahas.php)



"But smoking is bad for you!"

True dat!
But it has recently been shown, that people who smoke cannabis have less lung problems than people who smoke nothing at all.

Think about that!
Healthier lungs than total non-smokers.
That's huge!
This is definitely not the case with tobacco smokers! :(

That should get you started.

Once they see that it is rather innocuous, you can break the news about it's healing potential.

Safest pain killer ever, but that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Here's a pre-cancerous, fugly, mole.
291944


Here's that same mole on cannabis
291945
Another few weeks and it will be a tiny, white, scar.

I think you get the picture. :)
So far, I'm a cancer survivor 6 years on, thanks to Rick Simpson oil, (Phoenix tears).
I did no chemo or radiation, jJust oil from god's good herb.

My dear friend is still alive after 14 months with an aggressive Astrocytoma thanks to Cannabis.
The scans show no growth!

That should get you going.
And remember, google will find almost anything.

Aloha, Be well.

Wee 'zard
wow! great to hear you where cured.excellent advice. il let you know how it goes.

[tripsteady]

okay

so my parents came back with "you are just using these so you can get high.Have you looked at the negative effects of marijuana?"

Then came back with these sites:

Marijuana | National Institute on Drug Abuse (http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana)

The Effects of Marijuana (http://www.defense.gov/specials/drugawareness/marijuana1.html)

Is Marijuana Harmful? Positive and Negative Effects of Marijuana, Weed - HealthyPlace (http://www.healthyplace.com/addictions/marijuana-addiction/is-marijuana-harmful-positive-and-negative-effects-of-marijuana-weed/)

The main negatives they bring up are

- when marijuana is smoked it releases toxins worse then cigarettes (my rebuttal to this was a vaporiser which i already have (da vinci vape) )

- can lead to mental health issues ( i have been taking anti depressants for the past 3 years....however weed has lessened my anxiety...to the point of it being gone but i cant prove that to them)

It seems like there mind has already been made up and the negatives of using marijuana outweigh the positives

[Burnt Toast]

Then came back with these sites:

Marijuana | National Institute on Drug Abuse

The Effects of Marijuana

Is Marijuana Harmful? Positive and Negative Effects of Marijuana, Weed - HealthyPlace
The old salt "consider the source" definitely applies here.

Those sites and articles are nothing but pure propaganda with none of the dire "facts" substantiated.


It seems like there mind has already been made up and the negatives of using marijuana outweigh the positives I think a more accurate assessment would be that they have fallen into the trap of the Prohibitionists who cry that "cannabis is Reefer Madness" - with no apparent hope (or willingness) of digging their way out.

[Esteban1]

Conspiracies proven that big Pharma is at the bottom of this. Follow the $$. Very difficult to change the hearts & minds of peeps who are already convinced that it's a "Bad Drug". From the "Just Say No" campaigns (Reagan Era) as well as bombarded with countless hours & hours of misinformation. Reefer Madness in the 1930's was a smear campaign of cannabis. Placed into a Schedule I drug status (experimental only) in the same class as heroin & methamphetamine btw brought to you by our Nazi Friends. Difficult to change the hearts & minds of a population who gather information from an idiot box (no dis to your parents cuz mine @ the time (70's) were the same). With advent of advocates & the passing of cannabis leading to green states its a matter of time. Rick Simpsons oils (just ask Weezard) & other potent elixirs have proven its devastating effects on tumors. Is liberate yourself & moving outta the house an option? Are you in a green state?Idk what to tell ya? Do know its a hard sell to naysayers. Btw, did I tell you the story how it gave my cat 2 extra years of healthy living when I was told by a vet to "bring him home to die"? I was a medical practitioner and saw the evil barbaric methods of treating patients. Don't get me started!!


:thumbsup:

[RedLocks]

Take in mind the anti-cannabis propaganda that is common amongst South Africans makes all the faulty agenda driven cannabis studies that are out there look like valid science.

[Esteban1]

Prologue de Excellence. Think it's pretty much spelled out. Good job to all contributors of this thread! I see you live outside of the USA :rastasmoke:. bottom line still had a huge impact on how folks feel about cannabis in most of the world!

Peace

:thumbsup:

[tripsteady]

Prologue de Excellence. Think it's pretty much spelled out. Good job to all contributors of this thread! I see you live outside of the USA :rastasmoke:. bottom line still had a huge impact on how folks feel about cannabis in most of the world!

Peace

:thumbsup:

thanks to all the contributors of this thread,your help and understanding hqs been invaluable.

my parents say they are aware of the medical benefits but think that long term use of marijuana lead to cancer and mental illness.

asking for their peer reviewed sources for this is merely dismissed

as suggested previously it seems they are set in their ways

i dont live with them..im just staying here for the next 5 weeks as i had major back surgery...this is why i want to medicate.

oh well..i guess it is how it is..hopefully others can benefit from this thread as well.

thanks again for all your help guys.

[buzzy1959]

thanks to all the contributors of this thread,your help and understanding hqs been invaluable.

my parents say they are aware of the medical benefits but think that long term use of marijuana lead to cancer and mental illness.

asking for their peer reviewed sources for this is merely dismissed


thanks again for all your help guys.

Marijuana causes cancer? Better read this and print it up for them; Smell the Truth » Worth repeating: National Cancer Institute says pot fights cancer (http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2013/03/18/worth-repeating-national-cancer-institute-says-pot-fights-cancer/)

[buzzy1959]

To add to my comments above about cancer, I am too a pancreatic cancer patient doing chemo treatment and I am willing to bet my oncology doctor that it does kill cancer.

[Weezard]

I did bet mine.

No chemo, no radiation, (both of which ARE carcinogens), just oil, which is not.

Prostate cancer, Gleason score of 7!
Been 6 years now And I appear to be winning that bet. :)

Please don't give up on your folks.
They are badly misinformed and may have need of an effective medicine sooner than you will.
This is clearly worth the effort.

Aloha,
Weeze

[buzzy1959]

Thanks for the hints Weeze. If you don't mind but what kind of oil did you use, where and if I can get it legally? I'm just using weed for right now. If there is a better way, I like to know. Thanks! ;)

[Weezard]

The bad news is, you can not possibly get a high enough level of the active ingredients through smoking.
And it would be quite difficult to eat enough bud to do so.
You'd have to eat about a 1/4 oz. of superior buds, twice a day!
That's why we make oil.

The good news?
If you can make a good cup of coffee, you can make good Cannabis oil.
It's a simple solvent extraction.

The resin is not soluble in water, but will dissolve in most organic solvents.
Naphtha, Ethanol, Isopropyl alcohol, etc.
It also mixes with other oils and fats, coconut oil, butter, cooking oil . . .

I started with this video.
"Run from the cure".
Google it up on u-tube.

It explains the process quite well.
And details a crude, but effective method.

Naphtha makes me nervous and is difficult to purge from the end product.
Hexane would be ideal, but I can't get it here.
So, I switched to rubbing alcohol, (Isopropyl.)
That works a treat, but also takes up some water because alcohols are bipolar.

Boil off was getting expensive, and wasteful, so I switched to Ethanol and I condense and re-use the solvent.
Got around the bipolarity by freezing the buds and the alcohol and doing a short, ~3 minute, wash.

I understand that I'm a bit geeky, and tend to forget that most folks are, um, more normal. :)

So, I refer you to the video, it has all the information that you need.
When you want to improve and streamline the process, I suggest that you do a search for "Gray Wolf".
He was my mentor.

I think the first step though, is a thorough understanding of your local laws.
Look them up, then act accordingly. :)
I know very little about your locale, but it's always wise to know the "downside" before you place the bet, yah?

The upside is variable.

Just to get a little higher?
Probably not worth the risk.
Just to save someones life?
Well, that's quite different.

Aloha, my friend, I know from pain, you have my sympathy.

Wee 'zard

[buzzy1959]

Thanks for the "How to make cannabis oil" but I don't think I want to turn my house into a Chemistry lab. I would like to know if it's available legally to purchase online?

[Weezard]

"I don't think I want to turn my house into a Chemistry lab"

Neither did I.
But, I'll do whatever I must.

If I knew of a way to purchase oil from a trustworthy source, I would have shared that of course.
Sadly, I do not.
My Glioma patient's immune system took a major hit from his allopathic medication.

Some insecticides are oil based, (so they can endure rain)
Many commercial growers are clueless about toxic chemicals and their concentration with oil extraction.
We have no dispensaries here and a plethora of hungry tropical insects.
And I've seen things used on cannabis that I wouldn't use on a lawn!
Purity of the oil was essential, so I learned how to do it myself.

I do hope that you find what you need.
I could not.
If that changes, I'll let you know.
And I'll expect you to do the same. :)

Fair enough?
Aloha
Weezard