If not insect what is it

[badweexter]

I am a new grower and new to forums, trying ti figure out as i go. Here is the completed trouble shooting form filled out completely.
What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...) second attempt at growing. First crop all died from low PH, my tap water was 5.7. now i use bottled.

Here are some pic's. Any help would be very appreciated.

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Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's) One 400 watt Metal Halide 18' above. 16 T5 54 watt florecense. four on each wall.
.2) Distance from tops? 400 watt 18' above. T5's all around them
.3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...) 6" Sun Systems Blazer reflector, enclosed w glass.
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? yes
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? yes
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 400 watt above, T5's encircling

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...) Miracle Grow, with thousands of Red Wiggler worms so very heavy castings.
.8) Size of container. Five gallon
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? germinated seeds

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting? Bottled water, sometimes drinking sometimes distilled. 7 out of battle
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...) digital meter
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...) hydrated lime
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. added some nitrogen couple weeks ago, no other nutrients added
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? 1.5 gallons every seven days
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? stable
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? ingoing is 7, flushed heavily last two days, runoff is 6.4
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? no

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? indoors
20) What size of closet, room or hut? 6' X 6' X 6' room, covered all sides w white visqueen
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? grow room door is left open, i dont regulate temp or humidity
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? no

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) Fucking Incredible from vancouver seed Co
24) From seeds or clones? seeds
25) Is this an autoflower strain? no

[Weezard]

Those are leaves, brah. :)

Might be Cannabis from the look of 'em. :D


Sorry, Just hadda do dat.
Mostly because I don't have a useful answer.

I will say that those tiny globes at the leaf tip are interesting.
They do look like eggs.
If so, I'd put that leaf in a jar and see what hatches.

And I have read that bottled water has too much added sodium to be used for plants.

I do know that trying to read the PH of distilled water with a digital meter is wasted effort.
Without some free ions or even just trace salts the PH readings are meaningless.
Technically, pure water has no PH.
So, we usually add nutes before we try to take a reading.

You say that you use Hydrated lime, CAOH, to raise PH.
Needing to raise PH is unusual.
How much do you generally need per gallon?

Wish I could be more help.
At least I'm bumping the thread until someone who knows comes along, yah?

Aloha,
Weezard

[low_rdr]

I'm guessing from the looks of the leaves that your somewhere between 4 and 6 weeks? If your that far along, and only using nitrogen, that does also explain some of the deficiencies your showing. You should already be feeding, aside from nitrogen. Although you didn't list your specific brand of soil, miracle grow has several varieties, so if we're looking at a nute issue we'll have to know specifically what soil your using.

@weezard How the heck are you seeing an egg? I see a white spot, but I think its a hole. Maybe some higher res pictures? These are SUPER fuzzy when I zoom in.

[Weezard]

"@weezard How the heck are you seeing an egg? I see a white spot, but I think its a hole. Maybe some higher res pictures? These are SUPER fuzzy when I zoom in"

Amen to that!

Hadda download and enhance;

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Too big for a sessile gland.
Whuddaya think?

Aloha,
Weezard

[low_rdr]

I think I would have missed this by a mile. Yeah, quite possibly egg(s). Gotta 35x microscope?

[Mal420xl]

the leaves are covered in what looks like dried salts also cant imagine thats a good thing.

[nascarmike]

I'm new to the growing side myself. If you have a good growing supply store that you TRUST I would bring a leaf and ask for advice. Also take a soil sample for testing. It's the little details that will hang you everytime.

[Esteban1]

Quincy would def recommend an electron microscope, Book'em Danno! Hey seriously, hi res shot, a 35 x microscope or even a 1:1 digital camera would work. Personally hate the little scopes, purchased & never used it. It's like a monocle. Possibly a reading magnifier??

Peace out

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[badweexter]

At first sight of trouble, I thought insects, so I sprayed w Safer's 3 in 1 Garden Spray. An insectiside and antifungal. That may be the residue on leaves. I will wash it off now. I just transplanted to a ten gallon pot. I used 33% Black Gold, 33% FFOF and 33% perlite. After I wash off I will release some Lady Bugs but I dont know if they will eat this particular bug, if it is a bug. The original Miracle Grow I used was Moisture Control, it says it will fertilize for six months. The plant is a full four months old. The leaves are small because I have pinched and pruned so it is a very thick bushy plant. Last week I took my first cloning and will rely on cloning for any pinching and pruning in the future. The plant was flourishing, two weeks ago when I watered added some nitrogen, and half doses of Dyna-grow 7-9-5, half dose of Ohrstro's Maxicrop 0-0-1 liquid Seaweed and a half dose of NSR's Grow Juice 2-1-3. So I dont know if I over fertilized because the Miracle Grow was still supplying adaquate fert's, or if the fertilizer in the Miracle Grow has run out early and they are starving for nutes. I have added some more pic's, I only have an iphone 4S for pic's. Still no solid answers if insect or nute prob. Any advise is desperately needed and appreciated.

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[Weezard]

At first sight of trouble, I thought insects, so I sprayed w Safer's 3 in 1 Garden Spray. An insectiside and antifungal. That may be the residue on leaves. I will wash it off now. I just transplanted to a ten gallon pot. I used 33% Black Gold, 33% FFOF and 33% perlite. After I wash off I will release some Lady Bugs but I dont know if they will eat this particular bug, if it is a bug. The original Miracle Grow I used was Moisture Control, it says it will fertilize for six months. The plant is a full four months old. The leaves are small because I have pinched and pruned so it is a very thick bushy plant. Last week I took my first cloning and will rely on cloning for any pinching and pruning in the future. The plant was flourishing, two weeks ago whenor if the fertilizer in the Miracle Grow has run out early and they are starving for nutes. I have added some more pic's, I only have an iphone 4S for pic's. Still no solid answers if insect or nute prob. Any advise is desperately needed and appreciated.

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I watered added some nitrogen, and half doses of Dyna-grow 7-9-5, half dose of Ohrstro's Maxicrop 0-0-1 liquid Seaweed and a half dose of NSR's Grow Juice 2-1-3. So I dont know if I over fertilized because the Miracle Grow was still supplying adaquate fert's,"


It appears that the correct answer was contained within the question. :)
Carry on.
Weeze

[badweexter]

Which answer? Did I over nute or did Miracle Grow run out and they are starving for notes?

[badweexter]

Prior to transplanting I flushed hell out of it for two days, three gallons first day, two gallons second day

[lipps]

Test your soil PH if it's to high or low the nutrients will lock up. Weak plants are susceptible to all kinds of bad stuff like viruses, molds, bugs etc. Remember the growers pledge..KISS...Keep it simple stupid..........Too much worm castings will plug up the soil by holding to much water and locking out air. Worms eat organic material and lots of it so putting them in the pot opens another can of worms...i couldn't resist. Air in the soil is as important as any other component too much or too little and you got trouble. Good luck.

[Weezard]

Which answer? Did I over nute or did Miracle Grow run out and they are starving for notes?

Sure!
That's it!
Starving for notes. ♪♪ :)

So whip out da ukelele an' play 'em a few. :D


If you'll notice the quote marks, my message was clear.

Your first snaps looked a bit like cal/mag lockout.
The subsequent photos are classic nute burn.
Flushing was the right move.

Now, ignore the existing damage.
That is history.
Watch the new growth.
That will tell you when she turns around.

Aloha,
Weezard

[polishpollack]

badweexter, why are you using two thread to address one problem? didn't you say in the other thread you were going to transplant? Why did you flush the ferts down in your soil only to put other ferts back in?

[Weezard]

badweexter, why are you using two thread to address one problem? didn't you say in the other thread you were going to transplant? Why did you flush the ferts down in your soil only to put other ferts back in?

Thanks for pointing that out, PP.
Cognitive dissonance abounds, eh?

So?
Even if there is no Goodweexter, the information given in this thread has value for our knowledge hungry members, yah?


;) Just dickin' witcha, BW. :D

Weeze

[Esteban1]

Weez, you & Nostradamus woulda been good friends lol & yea agree with all of the nutes... Don't need to be a "Soothsayer" to know the outcome of over fertilizing! Peace be upon ya'll

The End is Near, Take Shelter


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[badweexter]

Sorry for two threads w one problem. As I said in first sentence. Brand new to forums/blogging. Is this Blogging? i have no idea, really. After massive flushing I did not add any new Nutes. Transplanted so roots have someplace healthy/NuteFree to grow to. Plant shows no further signs of deterioration today, looks same as yesterday. Thanks all for helping me save a beautiful Moma Fucking Incredible. Will give updates. Now i got Lady Bugs crawlin up my ass!

Weexter

[Weezard]

Clench brah, clench! :D

[polishpollack]

Yeah, I was a little, uh, dissonanced by that cognition. Now we have Nostradamus and ass bugs. Will it ever end?

[Weezard]

Nope! --Nostrildumbass :rastasmoke:

[Esteban1]

Oops

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