China Vs America

[mr chinnery]

Place your bets: Who wins in an all out military confrontation?

[Herbaholic00]

I cant wait to see some of the replys to this. :D

Peace

[amsterdam]

i think it is obvious that america would win.

[amsterdam]

the chinese arent that stupid.

[sawleaf]

Well where would this war be fought? Not here, not in China. Taiwan maybe or a naval conflict. In a naval war there would really be no contest at all. The US would most definately win. Land and Naval warfare on and around Taiwan, well still the US and still not even close. I don't actually see a war like this ever happening. I hope it never does. Both sides are not stupid. What would be gained?

[mr chinnery]

It's all hypothetical. I was arguing with a mate the other night, and he thought China. I thought the states. Just wondered what people thought.

[Hydrizzle]

The US would win; we are not called the world superpower for nothing...

[sensiskunk]

US would win no doubt, just because we'd cheat and use WMD's. China is one of the smartest countries, im sure theyd put up a good fight. If there were rules on the war, meaning US couldnt use missiles and such, i think China would fuck us up, because there military is based on ground tactics, and they have a HUGE ground military.

[amsterdam]

US would win no doubt, just because we'd cheat and use WMD's. China is one of the smartest countries, im sure theyd put up a good fight. If there were rules on the war, meaning US couldnt use missiles and such, i think China would fuck us up, because there military is based on ground tactics, and they have a HUGE ground military.


such a anti-american.

IT IS A WAR!!BULLETS AND MISSLES ARE USED IN WAR.THEY DONT FIGHT WITH SLING SHOTS.

half the chinese army joined to get money,we would smoke their ass with our special forces and j-dams. :D

[XTC]

Have it on PPV

[sensiskunk]

such a anti-american.

IT IS A WAR!!BULLETS AND MISSLES ARE USED IN WAR.THEY DONT FIGHT WITH SLING SHOTS.

half the chinese army joined to get money,we would smoke their ass with our special forces and j-dams. :D
Quit ya whining! I was speaking hypothetically smart guy, so dont get ur pannies tied up!

[bhallg2k]

In an all-out military confrontation between China and America, everyone loses. Honestly, that's some shit I don't even wanna ponder.

[Marlboroman]

US would win no doubt, just because we'd cheat and use WMD's. China is one of the smartest countries, im sure theyd put up a good fight. If there were rules on the war, meaning US couldnt use missiles and such, i think China would fuck us up, because there military is based on ground tactics, and they have a HUGE ground military.


To use WMD is the exact reason for the fear campaighn as it stands in for China and Korea. You are to be very afraid so they can get permission to use them.

I dont see how the American people can be afraid of these 2 countries if we will just roll over them so quikly ,,,, what makes the American people afraid?...

Truth is its China who is scared, they know for a fact they cant win a war against the US, any type of war.

Just seems very strange to me, that everyone actually beleives that China whose only defence against war (threating nukes) is the same defence that causes our invasion. Doesnt that seem a little too conincedental?


What if China didnt have nukes?... what then?.. well, then they would be in the UN and already assimilated into the World Government.

Just suppose to yourself, just for a second that, there is maybe another story. Instead of blindly following what is spoon fed you...keep in mind that you have to seek out anything other than what the networks all put out(every last one of them), noticed there was only one side of the story. I mean, who could between all the !!TERRORIST THREATS!! reports.(OH AH ... So fuckin scary .. )Gimme a break. Or is it that they only have enough air time to tell one side of the story?.. after all you have to get paid!!

There is no mainstream network reporting on allot of the things we talk about.

As a matter of deduction it can be said that people come to the internet to learn new things and information. So just open your mind for a second and think it thru.

The "current issue" (if its resolved without conflict there will be another issue) is that Korea is refineing uranium, our GOV says its for war, Korea says its for power plants.

Just think it thru for a few minutes let the big picture set in...

The US just invaded and gained control of Iraq, giveing them possesion of Korea and Chinas oil supply. Maybe .... just maybe... they actually are trying to be self suffient and get away from fossil fuels... after all when your enemy controls the life blood of your war machine, you better find another way to fight. And why are they our enemies? what makes the Chinese and Korean so bad? Ive never seen either of them standing in Times Square NY in riot gear.

Wow, I'm sorry I didnt mean to bring up Militarize Police in our cities, that was wrong of me.

Did you ever think that maybe China and Korea dont want to be in a World Government?

Istead of meatball remarks why not try to prove what im saying is wrong ...

Stop putting the burden of proof on us. Instead make your GOV prove that they arent takeing over the world.

[Marlboroman]

such a anti-american.

IT IS A WAR!!BULLETS AND MISSLES ARE USED IN WAR.THEY DONT FIGHT WITH SLING SHOTS.

half the chinese army joined to get money,we would smoke their ass with our special forces and j-dams. :D


and you are helping concrete my theory here, see, you have so much confidence in the US... why would you possibly be afraid of them?

with all the confidence you have in our armed forces why do you fear them?

[amsterdam]

fear them?

you have a very deep seeded hate towards america.

[Torog]

Place your bets: Who wins in an all out military confrontation?
Howdy mr chinnery,

America wins..China still can't move their men and material,good enuff to do a land invasion here,but thanx to Klintoon,their icbm's are more reliable and accurate,and they'd probably do alot of damage with them and the saboteurs already in place.

The hard-line commie leadership of China,still desires the commie goal of world domination,to that end,they've signed a mutual defense pact with Russia's hard-line commies..both nations continue their developement of advanced nuclear weaponery and huge underground bunkers..yet another reason,why we need RNEP's as soon as possible.

Given the current situation in the world,I think it's time to put our nukes back on the attack subs and retarget our land-based nukes,instead of having them sit without target coordinates,as they currently are at this time,all of our vulnerability in these area,is because of Klintoon's desire to give our enemies the chance for nuclear parity,in order to discourage us from defending ourselves with a nuclear deterrent.

Have a good one ....

[bhallg2k]

Having a problem with America's direction doesn't mean you have a deep-seeded hatred of America. Chances are, it means you love America and are angered and saddened by the way some people are fucking it up.

I'm really tired of those who question government being accused of being unpatriotic or hating America. The same could be said for you, that you're just standing blithely by while the original ideals America was founded upon are slowly and mercilessly being beaten away.

[amsterdam]

Having a problem with America's direction doesn't mean you have a deep-seeded hatred of America. Chances are, it means you love America and are angered and saddened by the way some people are fucking it up.

I'm really tired of those who question government being accused of being unpatriotic or hating America. The same could be said for you, that you're just standing blithely by while the original ideals America was founded upon are slowly and mercilessly being beaten away.


your right,not always,but on this board,almost always.

[Marlboroman]

fear them?

you have a very deep seeded hate towards america.


This is simply a lie, stated by a closed minded individual who appaerntly cannot read and comprehend statements.

Last night I had a long talk with a very close freind. He is a total "right wing" as I used to be.

Basically he said that you would have to be a fool not to recognize where this is going. But this is exactly where he wants it to be. He likes the idea of haveing a single card pay for everything like a credit card. And he isnt oppossed to haveing a chip installed on him.

His aregument is that the only people that have anything to worry about are the ones doing something wrong. Its this type of thinking that will be the fall of the nation as we know it. He also recognizes that there is a line devideing the rich and the poor.(he is just delusional on the scale)...

He beleives that everyone should work as hard as he did to get out of the trailor park, and I agree seeing as I grew up in one as well.

He said that he basically doesnt care that there are militarized police in our cities. He openly admits to haveing his haed in the sand or in the clouds, but either way he doesnt much care what the US GOV is doing.

I honestly think that ignorence is the only defence for not careing, and quite possibly the only defence from feeling like a trapped dog.

But I can assure everyone that those that dont care, are only waiting to have something effect their lives before they start to.

[amsterdam]

sept 11 did affect my life.

[Marlboroman]

sept 11 did affect my life.

Aye, its just a shame. I dont think you dont realize to what effect.


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Lacking education or knowledge.
Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
Unaware or uninformed.



Those with theirs heads in the sand or clouds fit this excact description.

[amsterdam]

keep telling yourself that.

[Hydrizzle]

You trust me, Torog, they still have nuclear subs ready to target anywhere in the world with a push of a button. Our leadership is not so stupid as to let our guard down.

[makor01]

man torog you have some fucked up views. saying someone shouldnt cuss but we should aim nukes somewhere? wow man i think you have your priorties a little fucked up. but after all...if asshats like you got their way the world would be 1 big fireball and youd get to see if there really was a god huh.

in a nuclear world war is the enemy. period...they said it perfect in that movie.

and dont try to say that im inexperienced, cause ive been there. ive had my ass in the sand and been shot at with mortars and ak's...ive felt what its like to take another persons life and its not a nice thing. im not anti-war but i am anti nuke.

[Hydrizzle]

Thats why you can't let crazy dictators have them. They aren't right in the head.

[Torog]

man torog you have some f*cked up views. saying someone shouldnt cuss but we should aim nukes somewhere? wow man i think you have your priorties a little f*cked up. but after all...if asshats like you got their way the world would be 1 big fireball and youd get to see if there really was a god huh.

in a nuclear world war is the enemy. period...they said it perfect in that movie.

and dont try to say that im inexperienced, cause ive been there. ive had my ass in the sand and been shot at with mortars and ak's...ive felt what its like to take another persons life and its not a nice thing. im not anti-war but i am anti nuke.
Howdy makor01,

Thanx for your service,and you're right about nukes,in a way..we should all be against them..but sadly,it's the best deterrent to countries like Russia and China,for keeping them at bay. I would rather use a nuke,to protect,preserve and defend Freedom loving countries,than not use them,and surrender to the commies or the muslim jihadists.

Would you rather be a commie or muslim slave--than not use nukes to defend Freedom ? I say: Give me Liberty..or give me death..I will never bow down to the commies or muslims,just because I'm afraid of using nukes..they sure as heck-won't hesitate to use them on us.

My cousin is stationed in South Korea,I hope that we won't hesitate to stop the massive advance to the South,by the North..with any means possible..whether it's tac nukes,MOAB's or whatever.

Have a good one...

[pisshead]

torog, if you really think that muslims are ever going to take over power from the imf and world bank and the federal reserve that prints the money, and those established family and wealth that goes back hundreds of years...

you're silly. these people wrote in the 70's in foreign affairs about how they would use terror and the threat of terror to achieve their goals of one world government, and create world courts, world religion, world currencies.

we already have a world bank, world health, world trade...and people still deny the existence of world government, like it's insane.

meanwhile, while you're thinking about who to nuke next, you're letting your congress and president slowly cede sovereignty to global bodies with unconstitutional treaties and agreements...and you don't seem to care.

you don't actually care about America and the constitution.

[Marlboroman]

Howdy makor01,

Thanx for your service,and you're right about nukes,in a way..we should all be against them..but sadly,it's the best deterrent to countries like Russia and China,for keeping them at bay. I would rather use a nuke,to protect,preserve and defend Freedom loving countries,than not use them,and surrender to the commies or the muslim jihadists.

Would you rather be a commie or muslim slave--than not use nukes to defend Freedom ? I say: Give me Liberty..or give me death..I will never bow down to the commies or muslims,just because I'm afraid of using nukes..they sure as heck-won't hesitate to use them on us.

My cousin is stationed in South Korea,I hope that we won't hesitate to stop the massive advance to the South,by the North..with any means possible..whether it's tac nukes,MOAB's or whatever.

Have a good one...

I just have a couple of things to say Torog, please, do some research into the history of communist and facist governments. Because, our GOV has without a doubt taken a turn towards becomeing just what you hate.

Just do some comparison on the domestic policies of these "hated" forms of government and it quikly shows its self.

The trick of completeing their crime tho depends on us either being ignorant to the situation, not careing(only works if your ignorant about the situation), and in the end lacking the means to fight back.

Freedom is a right given to us by the blood of our founding fathers, and unless we do something now as citizens, we will lose those rights in the name of "freedom".

Notice Torog, I am not saying you are wrong here, I am simply asking you to do your own indepentdent investigation, I know that one thing you will find is that Hitler instigated and carried out an attack on his own country as a reason for the public to let go of regulations and rights, thats true history. I dont beleive that all the Russian, Chinese, and Korean PEOPLE, hate Americans. Its more likely they are spoon fed a similiar fear campaighn we are to make them afraid of us.

By your own admission you dont want to be a part of a communist country correct? You are aware of course that all of those countries have National ID cards. Given to them by the GOV that controls them, however accepted by the people as a form of protection from what threatens them.

In our case they are useing terrorism, I have no idea what the Communists are telling their people because nobody reports on it. But in order to rile up a bees nest you have to poke it, so im sure they are simply makeing them afraid of us by calling us terrorist or some other name with the same type meaning.

They are afraid of us invadeing, we are afraid of them invadeing.......You really think this is the way its supposed to be? It sounds to me like someone is standing in the back makeing snowballs.

Im only asking you to consider the possibility of it, If its not true then you have nothing to worry about.

[pisshead]

and if you go by their terms...then george w. bush is the most liberal president the country has ever seen. he has done everything clinton did, but given it more funding. he's grown the size of government and we have budgets that are $1 trillion more than clinton's last year in office. there is nothing conservative about him.

unless you count the carrots they dangle in front of us that don't matter...gay marriage, etc...all that stuff that doesn't really matter. besides, the real question should be...why is government getting involved in marriage anyway...i guess that makes me a liberal for thinking government is doing something it shouldn't be?

seems to a pattern of that happening.


i'd add Rome to your list too, marlboro man. we're basically Rome with technology now, as far as dismantling republics and building empires is concerned. life is good in the belly of the best.

[Torog]

Howdy pisshead,

You are probably right about the muslims and about the world goverment,but you are wrong about my feelings for America and the Constitution,I do care..I stand ready to fight against the world goverment..and if Bush is in charge..he best pray to God for mercy. The list of things that I don't like,about what Bush is doing or not doing,and the repubs as well,is gittin longer..and I'm seriously thinking of looking elsewhere for answers.

The Terri Schiavo case,may have broke the straw..and the border situation,is inexcusable..and I dang sure don't want the mark of the beast on me,in the form of a national id card..I hope there's an exclusion for religious belief.

Have a good one...

[pisshead]

terri isn't the only one either, torog. i think you'd be shocked and appalled if you knew the extent that this is happening around the country, in cases where people are asking for food and water. it has nothing to do with George Bush or Bill Clinton, theyr'e the stooges to keep the masses uninformed, and to continue the goal of selling American sovereignty out...they have to do it slowly because they know people would be against world government.

not so much today though...they're slowly shifting everyone's thought, deceiving them into the cage.

expect to see the microchip propaganda in the next 3 or 4 years...after we have a national id card, but there's too much fraud with them being stolen...this will be offered as the solution. military are getting them, police departments around the country will get them, government workers will get them, pederasts will get them, people released from jail will have them...

it'll be for everyone else before it's for you. that's the nature of tyranny...it's for the jews...it's for the communists...it's for the muslims...it's for the criminals...it's for the murderers, it's for the pedophiles, it's for the alzheimer's patient...it's for the hospital patient...it's if you want that VIP discount at the hot club downtown, it's if you want the discount at the grocery store, it's if you're in school, or if you have a child, or if you want a bank account, or a job...

see how it creeps along. the "it will never happen to me" excuse only works for so long. what are people going to do when it does happen to them?

everything's planned well in advance. and please, read the book 1984, and know who eric blair was, and why he wrote that book. he wrote it as a warning to us. same with brave new world...aldous, brother of julian huxley the first head of UNESCO. these people saw glimpses of the future, and wrote them down. they had firsthand knowledge of things that were going on.

we're now currently almost totally like the book 1984, and elements of brave new world are popping up.

[NowhereMan]

Place your bets: Who wins in an all out military confrontation?

NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marlboroman]

Howdy pisshead,

You are probably right about the muslims and about the world goverment,but you are wrong about my feelings for America and the Constitution,I do care..I stand ready to fight against the world goverment..and if Bush is in charge..he best pray to God for mercy. The list of things that I don't like,about what Bush is doing or not doing,and the repubs as well,is gittin longer..and I'm seriously thinking of looking elsewhere for answers.

The Terri Schiavo case,may have broke the straw..and the border situation,is inexcusable..and I dang sure don't want the mark of the beast on me,in the form of a national id card..I hope there's an exclusion for religious belief.

Have a good one...

Heres the deal with the Mexico border bro, if you have ever done any research on how the railroad was built or how gold was mined in our country then you know they used Chinese Labor to do it. These people were not brought here because of the lack of able bodied whites.

They were brought here to work ALLOT harder for ALLOT less pay. Except its the transition phase we want to look at. Its where we are now in the time line.

At one point in time it was whites that held those jobs, and had unions or some type of bargaining collective. As soon as the chinese labor out numbered the white workers they can then decreased the amount of pay and then instituted longer working hours. what you get then is whites quiting the work based on they dont want to move in a negative direction in pay and hours. but thats then all the Chinese had to survive. So they worked for almost nothing.

So if you want a slave work force, you open the borders to allow them to enter...(Mexico & Cuba,Hati)...and when the numbers of aliens willing to work for shit outnumber the whites....well you know what im gonna say.

Its no secret "republicans" are opposed to unions and have broken many in the past. and Bush has put legislature in front of congress before to take away overtime pay.for the nation As well as Texas. Think about it for a sec here bro... his brother is the Govenor of Florida. They complain about all the Cubans there but nothing is done to curb the influx. Texas is the same way, they complain about the new illegals crossing the border but little is actually done to curb it. Same thing is happening in Arizona and California.

Dont take the lesson from me however, please look into it yourself so you can discover the info on your own.

I firmly beleive History will predict the future. And if the federal GOV is allowed to fund and then take over our public schools they are then allowed to unify the education system and teach whatever History they want. Effectively removeing the History behind the take over of the world.

Peace.

[Funken Monken]

Difficult to say. 10 years ago, I'd have said the US without a second thought. Now I'm not so sure.Depends what kind of war - I mean if it was trade saanctions first of all and all that kind of stuff, the US would take it due to supply routes, raw materials etc and the revenue generated there.
Then after sanctions it turned to all out killing machines, and assuming someone dont 'hit the button', I'd struggle again. China has become a killer economy of recent, and its manufacturing capailibty, offensive or otherwise cannot be disregarded.

Still undecided, but do bear in mind it was one of them that wrote the rule book.
Rule No. 1 - Know your enemy.

[NextGen]

The chineese would have to build massive vessels to trasport and many. Because the ground control would be covered by far. 4 billion armed chinnese screaming and scootering,biking to your town would suck.

[amsterdam]

hahahahahhahaha,they wouldnt even make it out of the china sea.i wouldnt mind using some chincs as targets for my 30.06.

[Hydrizzle]

The chineese would have to build massive vessels to trasport and many. Because the ground control would be covered by far. 4 billion armed chinnese screaming and scootering,biking to your town would suck.


LOL 4 billion? They only have 1.2 billion (still alot).... dont worry we would kick thier ass ith superior air power and mad cruise missles. Also, we will have nanotechnology on our side... ( dont get me started on that)

[Funken Monken]

LAlso, we will have nanotechnology on our side... ( dont get me started on that)


you read any of the stuff on
www.newscientist.com ?
They got a big section ot it that might interest you

[amsterdam]

cool stuff!

[Hydrizzle]

Trust me I have read everything there is on nanotech. It really is pretty damn cool, and could be the beginning of a new world era whenever they get the ability to self-replicate and manipulate molucules on a mass scale. So, all we gotta do is send a nano-swarm to China to completely disintegrate all thier weaponry. What would they do then?

[Euphoric]

all of you war mongers need to be shipped to your own lil island..whoa..or maybe just i need my own lil island more like. MAKE LOVE NOT WAR U FUCKUPS :)

[Hydrizzle]

Lol, war mongers. At least when we go to war, we don't torture and kill thousands, like Saddam did. Face it, war is a neccesary evil, seeing as how the 3rd world is polated with too many crazy fucks with too much power. Understand that getting nuked is not something you want to bet on lightly. Yes, I suggest you ship yourself to a little island, you'll be safe from war there... untill Geroge Bush comes to erect his child rape camp, cuz we all know he's soooooo evil and sooooo obsessed with killing children!

[bhallg2k]

Lol, war mongers. At least when we go to war, we don't torture and kill thousands, like Saddam did.

No, we just ship our prisoners to Egypt so they can do it for us.

[Edgar]

stalemate no doubt about it.

[makor01]

oh hey torog you mis quoted me ...i said fucked, not f*cked

[Funken Monken]

Trust me I have read everything there is on nanotech. It really is pretty damn cool, and could be the beginning of a new world era whenever they get the ability to self-replicate and manipulate molucules on a mass scale. So, all we gotta do is send a nano-swarm to China to completely disintegrate all thier weaponry. What would they do then?

Good job you've read all tta s on New Scientist then.

There's one big assumption here. China is not particularly generous with information about...well, itself. Unlike the US, where research projects from MIT or NGOs workign for federal contracts gets leaked all the time...infact not just the US, most of the Western world, China keep their cards VERY close to their chest. So much so, that its a big assumption about what China can and cant do - the only thing they massvely export is Hentai surely?

Its relatively easy to assume western capability. The closed nature of communist communities does not affrd that. For all we know China may already have simlar capabilities. dont forget their economy is the success story of the last decade.

[amsterdam]

No, we just ship our prisoners to Egypt so they can do it for us.


who cares?