Guns vs weed

[ifluro]

Not sure I understand the right to bear arms (guns can be dangerous), vs the right to put a simple seed in the ground. Im in Australia where we have tight gun laws in place and even tighter drug laws. Im afraid common sense is not gifted to everybody. Im not saying guns are bad, I like guns, and I know its the people that kill/injure people not the guns. I just want to have a couple of plants for personal use, no big deal right?

[low_rdr]

I think if we took every gun from the current owners, and replaced it with a plant - This world would be much better. Not sure what we'd replace tanks with... truckloads of kief? lol!

[Txbizpro]

On the contrary, if we took all the guns from current owners, the only gunowners left would be of governments or institutions. I believe that everyone should get to smoke weed, but don't ask for slavery ;)

edit- a truckload of keif sounds amazing though. i would bathe in it.

[DemoMaas]

Go for it, grow your own but just be careful. i dont know the law in australia but iv few mates there who i went to school with and i know they are growing theyr own=) and by the pics they sent me there before christmas they are doing quit good =)

[IgotQuestions]

While I don't fully understand the legality behind marijuana laws (my studies focus on criminal and Constitutional law), the right to bear arms is absolute and upheld by the Supreme Court for the individual right to bear them. However, the Court does recognize and allow the State to regulate the sale and ownership of them as to not be unusual or dangerous for the time period of common ownership and sale.

If I recall correctly, marijuana was made illegal through grassroot movements and heavy lobbying by the timber industry (here in the US) to remove them as a competition for the production of goods. It also doesn't help that a good percentage of incarcerated folks are in there for marijuana charges and with a strong for-profit prison system... it can be hard pressed to change.

[boaz]

interesting topic. i'm no expert or anything but ii live in the US and know our laws are different than Australia. As was said as US citizen we have the constitutional right to bear arms thanks to the 2nd Amendment of our US Constitution, one of 10 amendments prospered in Jefferson and Madison's 'Bill of Rights'. but, as pointed out, regulated by State and Federal law. Tragically, not always effectively, although I personally think a strong argument could be made that if the existing laws would be, or could be, properly enforced (e.g., not letting crazy people get a hold of AR's) that this would help more that just trying to pass even more unenforced laws. :twocents: but i don't claim to know a whole about the issue.

one thing i would caution people about is keeping weapons near plants. even if one or both are legal, are they legal together? i really don't know the law on that and would be interested if others did. personally i don't keep the two together but i'm a non legal state, too. if i'm growing i just keep a really big stick for protection, lol.

[boaz]

...one of 10 amendments prospered in Jefferson and Madison's 'Bill of Rights'. ...


i guess the correct word there would be "proffered". :jointsmile:

[kupt]

I am a responsible gun owner and am quite the gun advocate. I get treated like a criminal where I live even though most gun crimes are committed with illegally owned guns. People seem to think removing my legally owned and registered guns will make society a safer place but all it really does is give the criminal's an advantage becuase I know they will NOT turn over there firearms.

[cannabis-seeds]

While I don't fully understand the legality behind marijuana laws (my studies focus on criminal and Constitutional law), the right to bear arms is absolute and upheld by the Supreme Court for the individual right to bear them. However, the Court does recognize and allow the State to regulate the sale and ownership of them as to not be unusual or dangerous for the time period of common ownership and sale.

If I recall correctly, marijuana was made illegal through grassroot movements and heavy lobbying by the timber industry (here in the US) to remove them as a competition for the production of goods. It also doesn't help that a good percentage of incarcerated folks are in there for marijuana charges and with a strong for-profit prison system... it can be hard pressed to change.

in some illegal states, if you get caught growing with a gun on site, you'll get these charges
possession/manufacture with intent to distribute
possession of controlled substance with a firearm in your possession
poosession of a controlled substance

kind of sucks they can slap 3 major offenses on you for 1 act, but that's how they roll

[IgotQuestions]

If you have the weapon legally, you generally have little to worry about. If you are having it, as you said, illegally... then you kind of put yourself in those shoes. :/

It sucks... but it's there. And yeah, it varies greatly from state to state.

[Shovelhandle]

Guns vs. Weed...
I don't get the connection at all. How about Guns vs. Beer? Sex vs. Weed? Pizza vs. Books? wtf, over?

[Aliens]

Legalization man. But vs. don't connect. Guns vs stupid users more like it. Same goes for other things really.

[Shovelhandle]

Oh, ok... guns are legal, weed is not. Here in Vermont USA we can carry firearms concealed, open or in a vehicle or home as long as you are not a convicted felon. We don't go around shooting each other any more than we go around beating/killing each other with other weapons.

[IgotQuestions]

Hah! Hell yeah, pizza vs books. Aaaaaand GO!

[rollzone]

hello. tried to reply to 'IGOTQUESTIONS'. that never works for me. got me thinking about Randolf Hearst- always comes to mind in the forefront of special interest lobbying in opposition to the devil weed. he had lots of timber for paper for his printing, and that damn hemp plant was even used as parchment for our Declaration. too much competition there. got to get a law passed to outlaw that stuff. then there was also the cotton industry. I now own 3 different shirts made from hemp. great quality, no complaints- but they had to lobby against that kind of competition. and the myriad of uses for hemp are mind boggling. that is the nerve they struck. the mind boggling effect of cannabis- it is so dangerous to be "high", they convinced people with the usual scare tactics that cannabis would turn their innocent children into raving maniacs- capable of all manner of debauchery and hooliganism; even theft,rape, and murder. i know we are talking about two different commodities- but the American voter did not. when you print your own magazine, newspaper, or control the modern media- you get to tell your own narrative. your other point about prison labor was not missed. today, however, the dirty money touches so many hands in authority- it is hard to single out just one. thanks for your understanding and speaking.:thumbsup:

[rollzone]

hello again. as to guns or weed, it is legal to own a gun to defend my God given right to live, but not legal to live the quality of life I prefer. I have to eat pharmacy narcotics in prohibitive Alabama, until i can afford gas money to move to Colorado (would prefer Washington). i only get 8 mpg, so i am financially trapped, living on disability. these narcotics are causing (or worsening) brain damage (in addition to other bad effects), but it would be legal to take a gun and blow my brains out. it's alike the authorities want to drive people to commit crimes to feed their corrupted machine, and these narcotics are just the ticket. cannabis has the opposite effect on my mind, bringing peaceful perseverance, and that must be bad. i can not condone you growing a few plants any more than i could grow them myself. certainly i agree there would be no harm to society, but the law rules. fight to change the law, as i do in the 'last state to legalize medicinal cannabis'. it is the law that is unjust, not the people civilly disobeying. just disobey in private.:thumbsup:

[Old Guy in Stanton]

hello. tried to reply to 'IGOTQUESTIONS'. that never works for me. got me thinking about Randolf Hearst- always comes to mind in the forefront of special interest lobbying in opposition to the devil weed. he had lots of timber for paper for his printing, and that damn hemp plant was even used as parchment for our Declaration. too much competition there. got to get a law passed to outlaw that stuff. then there was also the cotton industry. I now own 3 different shirts made from hemp. great quality, no complaints- but they had to lobby against that kind of competition. and the myriad of uses for hemp are mind boggling. that is the nerve they struck. the mind boggling effect of cannabis- it is so dangerous to be "high", they convinced people with the usual scare tactics that cannabis would turn their innocent children into raving maniacs- capable of all manner of debauchery and hooliganism; even theft,rape, and murder. i know we are talking about two different commodities- but the American voter did not. when you print your own magazine, newspaper, or control the modern media- you get to tell your own narrative. your other point about prison labor was not missed. today, however, the dirty money touches so many hands in authority- it is hard to single out just one. thanks for your understanding and speaking.:thumbsup:

This is why I giggle when some people blame the drug laws on "evil capitalism." The use of the Government Gun to destroy your economic competition is NOT capitalism. OTOH, I see evidences of vibrant capitalism at work whenever I go to a dispensary. Holy Smoke! ALL OF THESE GREAT OPTIONS: edibles, cannabutter pills, hash oil pills, topicals, cough drops....! The list of items competing for the mm patient dollar is wonderful. AS IS the evident quality. Same with the various tools, pipes, etc.

It is so interesting that this virtually UNregulated medical "loophole" shows high standards "enforced" by the competitive spirit of offering a better product at lower cost than the next guy.

Compare, if you will, virtually all of the regulated (for the protection of the consumer, you understand) professions, from accounting to cosmetology to medicine to plumbing to veterinary: higher prices, crappier service, etc.