rick simpson oil getting headaches and clenching jaw. is mine bad?

[tacko]

i have a rare ear condition that appear after getting a simple cold. struggling for 4yrs. seen evey doctor in world. they know nothing about this. i figure i try ricks oil. made a batch using 91 percent iso. (cant get 91) follow every step and got the black oil.
took 1/2 size of rice grain
gave me headache and i started clenching which make my ear hurt more.
as anyone got this result?
did i do too much?
did i make it wrong
im scared my batch may have been laced with something (according to a friend its not.it just not the quality)
please help as i dont know
thank you

[Haxie]

I've never heard of making RSO with Iso, Iso is used for quick hash and works pretty good, but RSO is a longer involved process, I believe. I'd say you are getting some iso in your system

[tacko]

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this is what the bud look likes. I save this to make sure it wasn't laced.
Can any one see if this is bad? or looked like it was dipped? I know its hard to tell
Also if doing the rick simpson method wouldn't the cooking burn off the toxins?

CORRECTION"made a batch using 91 percent iso. (cant get 99%)"

[tacko]

RSO can be made with Isopropyl alcohol 99% acording to his video.

I cooked it for two days in crock pot evaporated most all of it.
Then the left over oil I put in small metal container onto a coffee warmer (like the intructions) for 4hrs. Until the bubbling stopped.
would having a small trace of Isopropyl alcohol leave you with a headache and hung over feeling?
Should I try to burn off more? I don't have much oil after this process and doing this smelled up everything

I just wish I could buy the stuff.

[emilya]

i have a rare ear condition that appear after getting a simple cold. struggling for 4yrs. seen evey doctor in world. they know nothing about this. i figure i try ricks oil. made a batch using 91 percent iso. (cant get 91) follow every step and got the black oil.
took 1/2 size of rice grain
gave me headache and i started clenching which make my ear hurt more.
as anyone got this result?
did i do too much?
did i make it wrong
im scared my batch may have been laced with something (according to a friend its not.it just not the quality)
please help as i dont know
thank you

The process can be done with Iso and it makes a distinctive oil. Many different solvents can be used, and each will bring in different components of the plant, some bringing more or less waxes, cellulose, chlorophyll, etc. For instance, Butane will bring a unique blend of waxes and other things to make a very distinctive amber oil, known affectionately as Honey Oil.

Possibly you are having a reaction to the abundance of material that is brought into the resulting oil using Isopropyl. I would suggest using a bit finer of a solvent, such as Naphtha to get a much more refined oil with much less inert plant content. Always use proper precautions when working with these materials, and make sure that you continue heating them until all evaporation ends to make sure that all the solvent has been released. I really doubt this is the cause of your headache. Possibly you tensed up out of nervousness, not knowing what the effect of RSO might be? It is anyone's guess, but rest assured... there has never been even one case of anyone dying due to cannabis use... ever. Relax, and let it heal you.

[tacko]

The process can be done with Iso and it makes a distinctive oil. Many different solvents can be used, and each will bring in different components of the plant, some bringing more or less waxes, cellulose, chlorophyll, etc. For instance, Butane will bring a unique blend of waxes and other things to make a very distinctive amber oil, known affectionately as Honey Oil.

Possibly you are having a reaction to the abundance of material that is brought into the resulting oil using Isopropyl. I would suggest using a bit finer of a solvent, such as Naphtha to get a much more refined oil with much less inert plant content. Always use proper precautions when working with these materials, and make sure that you continue heating them until all evaporation ends to make sure that all the solvent has been released. I really doubt this is the cause of your headache. Possibly you tensed up out of nervousness, not knowing what the effect of RSO might be? It is anyone's guess, but rest assured... there has never been even one case of anyone dying due to cannabis use... ever. Relax, and let it heal you.


"there has never been even one case of anyone dying due to cannabis use... ever. Relax, and let it heal you"
yeah if I just smoked it... but I put poison and chemicals onto it.... thats why I'm scared....


I worried that I didn't evaporate all the alcohol. (what if I didn't?)
I'm worried that I used 91% vs 99%
I worried that I got a headache from a 1/2 size of rice dose.
I'm worried that the weed I had to make this was laced. (wouldn't the evaporation get ride of any spayed toxins?)
I worried I'm poisoning myself. I want to get better not die. Is there a way to test the oil?
Any place that just sells it? in the US? I do anything to get this right and my ear better. I'm losing hope

[emilya]

"there has never been even one case of anyone dying due to cannabis use... ever. Relax, and let it heal you"
yeah if I just smoked it... but I put poison and chemicals onto it.... thats why I'm scared....


I worried that I didn't evaporate all the alcohol. (what if I didn't?)
I'm worried that I used 91% vs 99%
I worried that I got a headache from a 1/2 size of rice dose.
I'm worried that the weed I had to make this was laced. (wouldn't the evaporation get ride of any spayed toxins?)
I worried I'm poisoning myself. I want to get better not die. Is there a way to test the oil?
Any place that just sells it? in the US? I do anything to get this right and my ear better. I'm losing hope

I know that there are dispensaries in CA (and presumably other places) that sell RSO. It sounds to me like you worry a lot though. Maybe this just isn't for you? May I suggest that you try distilling the oil using Grain Alcohol? As I have heard others say, "at least it is food grade." From the little I know about chemistry though, this is an inferior process because you in fact do not get rid of all of the grain byproducts, but at least it is edible. :) Maybe this will ease your tension a bit? I take RSO every day as do 3 other people around me. None of us can remember a headache caused by the RSO.

[tacko]

I do worry alot because I spent alot of money, The weed I got wasnt good grade, and I just want to get better. My ear is in constant pain and these doctors don't know how to fix it. people have done operations and destroyed their easr. No one knows anything about the ear. Doctor know nothing

I don't have another chance to make it again.
Can someone answer if they ever had a bad batch of RSO and if they had the same result I did?

I worried that I didn't evaporate all the alcohol. (what if I didn't?)
I'm worried that I used 91% vs 99%
I worried that I got a headache from a 1/2 size of rice dose.
I'm worried that the weed I had to make this was laced. (wouldn't the evaporation get ride of any spayed toxins?)
I worried I'm poisoning myself. I want to get better not die. Is there a way to test the oil?
Any place that just sells it? in the US/ Eastcost? I do anything to get this right and my ear better. I'm losing hope.

[Haxie]

rick uses NAPTHA, not any kind of alcohol, so all those other methods may work, but they aren't his method to do the oil, which would be the original recipe. Im sure they sell, and some can't get the right stuff, but I wouldn't use it, IMHO

[tacko]

I'm not some who uses. (just a few times when I was in holland and in college) so I know nothing about this.
I cant smoke it because smoke effect my ear. I tried eating it but that gave me reflux and hurt my ear.
I got a headache... no vomitting.... a little dizzy. No sure if thats the effect or how it effects me.
Rick did say 99iso can be use and there are debates which is better.

Is there anyway to test this stuff?

[tacko]

I also have have this thing on my cheek for 2yrs.
dermatologist have given me creams, burned it off by freezing. Nothing... its come back.
Used orgone zapper. Everybad thing fell off except this one pea size lump

I put on some of this oil I made onto it.
looks like it raised the bad skin and I'm just waiting (with no pain)

[Weezard]

I do worry alot because I spent alot of money, The weed I got wasnt good grade, and I just want to get better. My ear is in constant pain and these doctors don't know how to fix it. people have done operations and destroyed their easr. No one knows anything about the ear. Doctor know nothing

I don't have another chance to make it again.
Can someone answer if they ever had a bad batch of RSO and if they had the same result I did?

Not that I've ever heard of.

I worried that I didn't evaporate all the alcohol. (what if I didn't?)
I'm worried that I used 91% vs 99%

No worries, that's just the percentage of water in the mix, and the water is what dissolves the chlorophyll.
That, and Isopropyl alcohol is not highly toxic, It will make you belch a lot and is stronger than Ethanol as an inebriant.
But, they get winos in the E.R alla time that drank iso.
They survive.

I worried that I got a headache from a 1/2 size of rice dose.
I'm worried that the weed I had to make this was laced. (wouldn't the evaporation get ride of any spayed toxins?)

No the heat/evaporation might, or might not, break toxins down or boil them off.
Have to know which toxins you are dealing with to track down that information.

I worried I'm poisoning myself. I want to get better not die. Is there a way to test the oil?
Any place that just sells it? in the US/ Eastcost? I do anything to get this right and my ear better. I'm losing hope.


I'm afraid that the only way you can guarantee pure, wholesome cannabis, is to grow your own.
I hope you can find a way to do that.
The good folks here will be happy to help you get that going.

I'd also suggest that the next doctor you see should check your Parotid glands.
They are often a source of ear pain.

Aloha,
Weezard

[tacko]

"No the heat/evaporation might, or might not, break toxins down or boil them off.
Have to know which toxins you are dealing with to track down that information."
RAID.... (im being over cafefull) my friend no its not raid but just schwag (junk street weed)
I decided to smoke it with a one hitter. When lit didn't have the smell and wasn't harsh. I'm not very high just chill so I think its ok but I am afraid of raid.
Can I use the seeds that I have to plant. (I no nothing about planet... I mean plants I think its kicking in)

[tacko]

Weezard
thank you so much for your answers. Puts me at ease
After this experience I truly believe this should be legal.

Any other thoughts would help this very sick newbie.
I have the best medical insurance in the US..... means nothing when they cant cure you

[Weezard]

Raid:

"among its six active ingredients are pyrethrins, a mixture of organic compounds with strongly insecticidal properties. Pyrethrins have a host of known effects on humans if inhaled, including difficulty breathing, coughing, alteration of consciousness owing to oxygen-level fluctuations; larger amounts can lead to tremors, seizures or an upset stomach with or without vomiting."


Says nothing about headaches. :)

Read more: The Effects of Inhaling Raid Ant & Roach Spray | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/info_8247915_effects-raid-ant-roach-spray.html#ixzz2AjJko2Xx) The Effects of Inhaling Raid Ant & Roach Spray | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/info_8247915_effects-raid-ant-roach-spray.html#ixzz2AjJko2Xx)"

If the seed is from that schwag it will grow schwag, usually.

You can find some excellent seeds right here.
"Herbies" is a good seed vendor.
(That's what pays the bills here :))
But you might want to use the bagseeds for practice before committing to superstrains.

I grew peppers and tomatoes until I had a handle on growing before I bought good seeds.

Aloha,
Weeze

[emilya]

But you might want to use the bagseeds for practice before committing to superstrains.

I grew peppers and tomatoes until I had a handle on growing before I bought good seeds.

Yay Weezard! I still have peppers growing in the kitchen so I can have fresh jalapenos in my eggs and I have strawberries growing in the bedroom. Practice practice practice... someday I might even get good at this gardening thing!

Glad to hear you were able to get some relief from smoking it tacko. I too have an inner ear condition that causes me pain (and 90%+ hearing loss) and I find great relief in my meds. I hope you can get to this point someday too. Good luck, and as Weeze said, many around here will try to help you figure it out if you can ask the right questions. I started new a couple of years ago too and thanks to many of my friends here and elsewhere, I have achieved many successes and learned a lot.

[painretreat]

Hi Tacko,

Here in Cali, we can buy it, at the dispensaries/collectives.
There is only one strain of cannabis, that I am totally aware of, that will 'cause' a headache. It would be, my absolute favorite FOR PAIN~~~Blueberry. I never use it without a great indica around to stifle the headache!!! However, it takes care of most of my body pain and contractons...along with the oil. I've been taking the oil for about 3 months now.

I had a headache from March until the oil took it away, and the past 3 weeks, i've experienced, no headache.
So, proper rso, will help your headache, if the correct strain. I am guessing, you bought street sativa schwag or it was related to a blueberry. In fact, I am guessing the sativa street schwag has you paranoid you were poisoned!

Fortunately, you are NOT reporting any signs of toxicity. A headache, would be the least of your problems. so, move on from that thought and onto what Weeze and Emmie are advising you of.

This day and age; you need to google all your symptoms and do some research. Return to your M.D. and demand further testing. There are many tools available to find out, exactly what your specific problem is. Ultimately, perhaps..ask for a endocrinologist..(provided you've been through the E.N.T. docs. And, If I were you, I would be demanding to see an endocrinologist! I am assuming, you have seen E.N.T's?

Start growing. If you are in a legal state, check with the M.D.'s office, that you received your rec. from and ask for local 'caregivers.' They may have some resources, for you. When I received my first rec, I was given a list of places I could go (most were closed..but, it was a start). Or, post under your state for a caregiver, right here.:thumbsup: pr

pr

[tacko]

painretreat

Thank you for your help. It just the stuff smell gross when cooked. Very Spicy so I'm nervious but its been few days now. I lower my doesage and I'm not getting the headaches. I'll keep everyone posted. I'm trying to cure what I have. If this can knock out cancer cells why not try it.

Allopathic medicine does not work for my condition as I have seen top doctors and research doctors in the US and in Europe. Taken every test known in medical science for this condition and other auto immune conditions. They have a blank look on their faces. They know the condition is real, they can see the malfunction with their scopes but they don't know the cause or how to repair it.
Some other them have tried operations on their patients with Hannibal lecter results.

I am here because they haven't tried this yet and I'm not sure if anyone else has.

[tacko]

Does anyone get acid reflux when taking the oil?

[bedrik]

Really good suggestions I found here.

[painretreat]

painretreat

Thank you for your help. It just the stuff smell gross when cooked. Very Spicy so I'm nervious but its been few days now. I lower my doesage and I'm not getting the headaches. I'll keep everyone posted. I'm trying to cure what I have. If this can knock out cancer cells why not try it.

Allopathic medicine does not work for my condition as I have seen top doctors and research doctors in the US and in Europe. Taken every test known in medical science for this condition and other auto immune conditions. They have a blank look on their faces. They know the condition is real, they can see the malfunction with their scopes but they don't know the cause or how to repair it.
Some other them have tried operations on their patients with Hannibal lecter results.

I am here because they haven't tried this yet and I'm not sure if anyone else has.

tacko, I do get some slight indigestion, with the last batch I had. My current one, I am just fine. What I had wasn't what I'd call serious indigestion, more like burning seriously in the stomach ( I keep forgetting to pick up meds for it--found some zantac for it today...it works). I've not had any acid reflux, since I quit all traditional medications.

With auto-immune disease, over the years, I've found a gluten and sugar free diet, really helps the most, along with exercise. Even juicing for 2 weeks, helps, with auto immune pain. Which, I found surprising.

I sure understand you need for rso and how you felt in the hospital. I was in one several months ago, in the ER. Ater a C-T scan and then an MRI, the staff walked in, looking at me, as if, I was going to die. A rather chilling and hair on the neck standing, type of event. It is beyond me, why they have no clue, that their faces tell the story, before the words get out. Often, the look is worse than the diagnosis.

Safely, I can tell you, my recent crisis was not cancer, however..I've had some serious symptoms that, certainly are life changing, if they got any worse. Finally, I decided to take enough rso, until I actually 'felt' something. As, I read others 'feel' something and I really have not. So, I took plenty. Since, I started at night, I eventually fell asleep (and I've not slept well in over 10 months), so I am sleeping much better and my over all symptoms,that had me seriously concerned, have all but vanished. Enough, I'd say I am in remission of my disease now, for the past 3 days. The first day, I didn't know what to do with myself and out of fear, continued to take it easy..the 2nd day, the ants in my pants, just couldn't settle down and out and about I was..

Sure hope you can find some relief and I am certain, you are on the correct path with rso. Gluten and sugar free diet, is a must. If you have acid reflux, you may want to get OTC meds for it, or adjust your diet and avoid acidic foods, particularly late in the day. Even coffee, can be irritating. Plus, with auto-immune...caffeine is a calculated risk..I am back on de-cafe. Oddly, I've done the proper diet thing, most of my life and recently discovered cannabis, 4 years ago (here). Was doing so well, got a bit lax with my diet. At my age, it wasn't a very good idea, plus quitting all my meds. Well, quitting the meds..was life saving. I used MMJ for that, successfully.

Oh, almost forgot, I take at least 2,000 of Omega-3's and coconut oil capsules about an hour before my rso. And vitamin B12 is very important with auto-immune.

If it is upsetting your stomach, you can take it sublinqual, under the tongue. I did that for awhile, as I wasn't digesting some capsules used to put the oil in. It didn't taste as nasty as knowing I had a serious change in my life, ahead.

You are cooking it outside and using the video from Phoenix tears, Run From the Cure?

Good luck and Best of Health and Health care to ya,:jointsmile: pr

[tacko]

Diet is very important. I used to be vegan. Found out that is a completely wrong diet for anyone. You can argue all you want vegans. You are being lied to. All the fake foods fake meat, corn, vegi types.... ALL JUNK MADE FROM GMO's. If it has a bar code its not food.
We are so arrogent to think by not eating meat we are helping animals and the world. Do you know how much land is destroyed to build soy farms. (This is another topic) but to cure myself I had to learn from alternative media and medicine. Thats why I'm here
Became Paleo been doing it since FEB of this year (which is not cheap).... guess what is cheap.. fake foods fake meat, corn, vegi types... compared to clean meats... grass fed etc....
Paleo is not KFC or Mcdonalds... its clean meats... wild, grass fed... etc....
My gut is feeling better after becoming paleo. Its just very sensitive due to the years of being vegan. I'm still a work in progress
NO FLOUR NO GMOs. NO MSG. NO PROCESSed foods. No GRAINS (cold cuts deli foods)
BUGS DONT EAT FLOUR.... why should you? Try it put it on a shelf.... you could leave it for years and nothing happens. (they may eat the paper bag)
Surgar is bad yes agreed
what does flour and grains convert into.... Sugar!
Been Juicing. A great combo is Amala, Apples, celeray and ginger. Amala is the strongest anti oxi berry on the planet. Get it at most indian deli or supermarket.
The diet has helped. Look better. I have musle tone and I don't even work out. My Skin is looking a better color. My Vitmin levels have gone up.
See as a vegan no matter how great eating vegi were my body was lacking in minernals and vitamins that I could only get by eating meats and making my own bone broth. Bone broth has help me so much with my gut problems and over all fight. (just a pain in the ass to make)
RSO is the next step to see if I can beat this.

Its been a week now and I lowered my dose so that I wouldn't get reflux. I will up it a little this week.

I'm just concered that I did something wrong with making RSO but my body seems to react a little better after a week. I have a little weird cut/lump on my cheek been using RSO on it and its seems to be getting better. Lets see.

Anymore advice would be great. I hope this threat will help or least implant a different thought process into someone who is struggling

[GrowGoddess]

I do worry alot because I spent alot of money, The weed I got wasnt good grade, and I just want to get better. My ear is in constant pain and these doctors don't know how to fix it. people have done operations and destroyed their easr. No one knows anything about the ear. Doctor know nothing

I don't have another chance to make it again.
Can someone answer if they ever had a bad batch of RSO and if they had the same result I did?

I worried that I didn't evaporate all the alcohol. (what if I didn't?)
I'm worried that I used 91% vs 99%
I worried that I got a headache from a 1/2 size of rice dose.
I'm worried that the weed I had to make this was laced. (wouldn't the evaporation get ride of any spayed toxins?)
I worried I'm poisoning myself. I want to get better not die. Is there a way to test the oil?
Any place that just sells it? in the US/ Eastcost? I do anything to get this right and my ear better. I'm losing hope.

Not evaporating all of the alcohol could potentially make you sick. Probably the most noticeable thing would be stomach and digestive problems in regards to the iso.

91% vs.99%: Mostly the 91% is wasteful. You will not extract all of the THC from the plant material. Potentially the 91% could extract some of the red oil which is water soluble from the bud, especially if the bud were not bone dry. Extracting the water solubles potentially could be putting chemical fertilizers condensed into your oil. Possibly pesticides as well. That depends upon how the plants were grown.

1/2 size rice dose: If it were quality buds, and the oil was made correctly, that may have been a little too much. It depends upon the person. I get headaches easy from smoking marijuana, especially commercial street weed. The Simpson Oil seems to help me with my headaches. At least taking the oil, I get headaches less frequently.

Laced weed: My biggest worry, if I did not grow the buds myself, is harsh chemical fertilizers and pesticides. Who knows what kind of problems those could cause.

Testing the oil: Most testing procedures are inaccurate. It is very expensive to have it properly tested if it is even possible for the average grower.

Purchasing the oil: That is very difficult. Seems like most people like to use sugar shake and not buds to make the oil. Probably more-so when it is for sale. I think that is why Rick recommends all to grow their own. Then you know what is going into your oil. Unless you have a source that you can truly trust. If I couldn't grow, I would at least make the oil myself so I knew for sure that it was made with buds and not leaves and shake. Also, the buds can be sampled before choosing to use them to make oil. To verify the potency.

Losing Hope: Don't give up on the oil. It takes patience and time for it to work. Depending upon the ailment, it can take up to 6 months, dosing as directed, for the oil to work fully. Also, I would definitely take hemp seed oil as a dietary supplement. You can get a gallon of it for around $45 online. Cold pressed, unrefined hemp seed oil has the highest levels of omegas that I have seen in anything. Multiple omega 3, 6, and 9 all in one. Just a tablespoon per day is all you need. It tastes a little nutty and earthy. I add 1/2 tablespoon twice a day to my protein drinks.

It is of utmost importance to follow the directions that Rick gives in making the oil. NO CROCKPOTS, nowhere in his videos does he mention using a crockpot, you must use a rice cooker. Yes Rick uses naptha but does recommend 99% iso as a good alternative. I only use 99% iso. I prefer to do a quick wash with frozen buds and freezer cold alcohol. With the bud being bone dry, in my opinion, reduces the possibility of extracting toxins. Makes for a cleaner oil.

Good luck to ya man, and God bless. I hope the oil can help you. Don't give up.

[painretreat]

tacho, if you are still here, hope this is helpful?
And I'd try to make a weaker solution of the cannabis plant, to put, directly in your ear.

After reading this, I reduced my dose, as I had taken an increase, simply to test my tolerance and 'if' this oil (mmojo) would help my symptoms. Which it did, I then cut back to my available supply for my dose.

What I have noticed since, is fairly interesting. It does seem, the mmojo (rso) made with alcohol is what makes my stomach burn, the most. With Naptha-I have no burning in my stomach. Still, no reflux (which is something, I've not had in many years, since discovering Cannabis).

Surprisingly, I had a headache for many months and the mmojo (rso) took it away (along with some serious nausea). I had been gifted 2 bottles of mmojo (rso). I opened one and it poured like liquid. I never even looked in the other. Until, my symptoms returned. The 2nd one, was almost solid and I am certain.indica, mmojo. I took a pea sized dose and slept for 10 hours. My first deep and restful sleep, in ages!!!

My supply was low and the local Activist Group..Lanny Swerdlow-Presto Quality Care/patient activist comrades and IEHWC; gifted me some mmojo. I am not sure what I would do, without, this generous gift. I took a pea sized dose at night and

Woke up with a HEADACHE. Nothing like i've ever had in the past. Immediately, i recalled this thread. I just went with it (the mild headache) and it went away. Was a dull, uncomfortable ache and went away. When I use the alcohol based mmojo's; That I have been gifted, it seems..I get a headache. With continued dosing, it has dissipated.

I just know the people 'gifting' this, would not compromise the integrity and I am not concerned of the source. As, I am sure, I know the source. This is a method of 're-distribution' and an activist/collective free donation. After almost 4 months of struggling to get to the right dose, I was going to try to make my own and get a indoor grow going, not feeling well enough..etc... requiring a large dose, etc. I am having difficulty with some cognition. I'll be patient, and take the mojo and hope to be on the proper dose; that may be, the recommendation for me.

Thanks to the gift of mmojo, I no longer have to worry of supply and a tremendous stress, has been relieved. I can focus on my health and getting well. Reading about Electricity, amps, watts, wire , come a here thingy's, go a there do ma hickies,..heating pads, baby clone cribs..yada yada...Very Stressful and can cause exacerbations of my disease. Now, I am free of stress, for all 'healing.' Lanny told me, 'You don't need to be worried... about that.'

I am currently on 2 pea sized dose's twice a day and 6 capsules containing a total of approx. 12 rice sized dose's..give or take, between rice size to double. Some more, some less. I am not so certain it matters when the dose is taken, as much as, several times a day and daily. Not to mention, the correct dose, or the disease/illness/disorder. At least for now.

As, I was pretty symptomatic and have some relief, right now. Plus, the headaches have subsided with continued dosing of the same. Not going to waste a free gift! I am extremely honored and blessed for this life changing gift and my constant caregiver and eternal expert grower and friend. Thank You Cannabis.Com: for allowing me friendships here, that have ultimately become: Life Saving!
Much Respect!


Exciting times; Using myself for a guinea pig..
:thumbsup:OneRepublic - Good Life - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhQOvvV45w):jointsmile: Enjoy, :rasta: pr

[smokeeatsmoke]

istn the "ginny pig " stage instresting to say the least, either to little to much, like the three bears hugh, seriously, glad your also enjoying a "Life changing.." i dont understand completly "mmojo", i would like to maybe know more as it seems i have a huge tolerance, sounds like u also may? my cbutter is my "new life saver" yes and cannabis.com that did help bring into light, i agree THANK YOU. good luck on your dossing and the "Free Gift's" they are beautifull. to hear your testimony just enhances the simple foundation of various MM use and applications, especially from the aspect of only smoking. choices and alternatives are GREAT.

[painretreat]

;)Tacko, how you doing?
Essential Cannabis Hemp Oil Making Tutorial Using Safe Countertop Distiller & FROZEN Alcohol - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH2nFimQhKw)

The headaches and burning in my stomach, came from the oil made with alcohol, for me. I let it set out and evaporated the alcohol off, and no more headaches.

I quit the rso, as Wheezer said: I discovered I need better quality control!
You might like this video from phoenix tears, it is a bit different.:rasta: pr

[tacko]

The stomach aches are gone. still have the ear problem but I have been using it on my skin. I have a very small patch of eczema. its now gone. Going to use it on other parts that are larger. I really want this ear problem to go away. I haven;t been able to take it every day as I had to leave the country for a week for work (cant take rso on the plane or into another country) So I had a week without then I got a heavy cold now I'm better and on a dose of a rice size twice a day. Just started the twice a day today.
Still going on this

[Jack Charles]

Ok just wondering why everyone talks about Rick Simpson like he's god and his method is so definitive. People on here are saying no no no, you can't use a crock pot, Rick says use a rice cooker. When in all reality you can use any apparatus you want. You just need the heat. Also I'm no chemist but have done a fair share of research on theese topics. I don't know why people think its ok to just get naptha from sherwin Williams and use it to make medicine when it's not pharmaceutical grade. There are additives in it that may not be evaporated fully through the process. Same with butane you get from the store. And probably with isopropyl alcohol. I wold not use theese crazy chemicals unless they were pharmaceutical grade solvents and were 100percent pure. You do not know what is left over from the process unless you have gotten a list of every additive in the chemicals. And did intensive research on each individual additive. Etc. to know if it is eliminated through the process you use.

And just curious, what is Rick Simpsons credibility? Does he have a pharmacology background? Did he go to medical school? Does he have any idea what the hell he is doing? I'm just wondering, because it sounds like just because he made a documentary about it that somehow makes his method credible and safe (so some people think). I'm sure there is a more pure and less toxic way to produce this oil. But I'm not a chemist. I'm just wondering because I think it's important to question this stuff. I have many many many many doubts in my mind about using chemicals like these that are not pharmaceutical grade solvents and are not designed specifically for the purpose of making medicine.

Maybe I am wrong but since the chemicals being used for theese extractions aren't sold as pharmaceutical grade solvents they aren't protected by law to be safe for consumption and there is no protection from whatever other poisons are in it. If it was approved for consumption instead of being used to take off paint from things it would be under regulation and have to be deemed safe for ingestion. But since it isent produced for that purpose. It is not.

Feel free to explain to me why I'm wrong because I am no chemist. But I need solid proof and sources to credible research or explanations to be able to accept the use of theese chemicals.

I believe a certain degree of skepticism is very healthy when a non chemist/ pharmacologist is trying to produce medicine using theese street methods.

I would very very much appreciate it if someone could point me in the direction of solid credible research on theese maters. I have no problem accepting I was wrong.

[Mal420xl]

pretty simple, the people saying how good it is are the people using it to survive... thats all i need. i also know enough about chemistry without being one that the presence of impurities does not have to imply toxicity.
if his methods and the results of his methods(which are clearly documented) in any way shape or form give someone suffering a chance at relief than who gives a rats ass how it works?
and quite frankly i will never understand why individuals like yourself come in, trash rick and his methods, bash him for doing something to help people while what do you offer?? negativity, half assed, uninformed opinions about a subject you admit to knowing nothing about, claim to have researched yet offer no proof, which you demand when its right in front of you. i find that attitude completely and totally abhorrent and beyond offensive. i ask you this, isnt the point to find a means to ease people who are suffering and have no means left within mainstream medicine? or would rather have them left and forgotten.....

[Jack Charles]

I understand where your coming from mal420. I could have worded my post a little more constructively perhaps. But also I question why it doesn't bother you that there may be toxic impurities left over from the use of impure solvents that are being used. I'm all for alternative medicine. And the reason i question the use of these chemicals is because I am all about the natural healing methods. I'm all for the use of cannabis to heal. And I don't understand why you would want to pollute the natural cannabis medicine with toxic chemicals?? You come back at me saying you understand chemistry but you don't question and investigate what impurities and toxic poisons may be leftover from the process. Not from the medicine which is the cannabis and the alkaloids thereof, but from using impure solvents to complete the synthesis/ extraction. A true chemist wouldn't just say ok, Rick Simpson says I can use paint thinner from sherwin Williams to extract the good stuff from my plant. They would investigate what adulterants are in the solvent being use. And investigate if they are toxic. And then investigate if they will be removed through the process. And maybe the goodness of the cannabis overpowers the negativity of the heavy metals and possible poisons that are left over from using impure solvents.

I'm not against the oil. I'm just saying there are solvents and alternative methods out there that can extract the good stuff and are not toxic. For example ethanol. They may be more time consuming and labor intensive. But for a less toxic and poisonous finished product. May justify the extra effort.

People complain about ethanol as a solvent because it extracts the chlorophyll and some other stuff. But if that is so why not just do a water extraction on the material first to get all that crap out, and to wash of the pesticides. The thc is not water soluble so would not be lost doing a water extraction first.

Don't be mad at me for questioning the method when you can't tell me yourself why it is safe. I'm not against the thc or the oil. Only question the methods of extraction using toxic chemicals. And am wondering if there are ways to avoid them and still achieve desirable results.

Dont twist my words to make it seem like I'm against alternative medicine because I'm all a out it. I'm so much much about natural healing methods that I shy away from the use of TOXIC CHEMICALS. Why pollute something which purpose is to heal?? It's not good to blindly just do something without understanding the underlying principles and reasons for it effectiveness. I'm just asking who Rick Simpson is that we should use his method? What is his credibility? Even though there are good results, could they maybe have been better if we were able to eliminate the toxic additives and pollutants that may or may not be there?? Alternative medicine exists because people question the status quo and ask similar questions to what I am asking.

[Mal420xl]

i said what i needed to say and have nothing to add as it seems you also do not.

[Jack Charles]

Ok mal. But to anyone else who actually knows what they are talking about, as there are some very intelligent people on these boards, I would be interested to hear what you have to say on this. My current understanding, intuition and instinct tell me these non-pharmaceutical grade solvents are not safe for the purposes of creating medicine due to their impurities and possible toxic additives that are not eliminated during the extraction process.

[Weezard]

Howzit brah?

You make an excellent point
Well summed.

And it's an admitted truth that Rick Simpson is no chemist. :)
His contribution was having the spine to stand up for what's right.

If you want science, I suggest the you do a search for "Graywolf" and "Skunkpharm".
There you will find chemists and engineers who are deeply into cannabis oil production.
I have learned much from them.

Aloha,
Weezard

[Weezard]

"People complain about ethanol as a solvent because it extracts the chlorophyll and some other stuff. But if that is so why not just do a water extraction on the material first to get all that crap out, and to wash of the pesticides. The thc is not water soluble so would not be lost doing a water extraction first."

Problem with that is it knocks off a lot of trichs.

It is acceptable to make bubble hash and then extract the resin from the hashish.
The leftover wet buds can be dried and another 10% or so of oil can be stripped out of them for topical application.
I use Ethanol for medibles.
And Naphtha for topicals.

Aloha,
Weeze

[Jack Charles]

Hey Weezard, I really appreciate the feedback. I realize I may have been a little more critical of Rick than he deserves, because we do need people like that who are willing to make the stand for this stuff. And I will keep my eyes peeled for Graywolf and Skunkpharm in the future, and may look into some of the stuff they have on here.

In regards to your second post, that does make sense about the trichs getting knocked off and getting lost with the water and that being the main problem. I was hoping that just maybe running it through a couple un bleached coffee filters would prevent such a loss. As far as I understand it the micron rating on an average coffee filter is like 15 to 30 and I was hoping that would be small enough to prevent the trichs from sneaking through with the watery solution. I also figured there would be a lot stuck the the first coffee filter which I would probably just throw in with the remaining plant material when I do the ethanol extraction step. I hope that should prevent all or at least most of the content loss.

I say I hope because like 10 minutes ago I just broke up an ounce of some good herb and threw it in a jar with water for the first time actually trying it. Up untill now it's just been theoretical. So I guess we will see how it turns out huh? Lol

[Weezard]

"I say I hope because like 10 minutes ago I just broke up an ounce of some good herb and threw it in a jar with water for the first time actually trying it. Up untill now it's just been theoretical. So I guess we will see how it turns out huh? Lol"

I just love that attitude.

Most folks will ask "What would happen if . . . ?"

To which, the most educational answer is.
Try it and see!
Just whip out a theory.
Then devise some tests.
Goodonya!

Now no forget to come back and tell us what you found out.
Weigh the buds, weigh the resin, weigh the oil, please.

I trust that you used very cold water?
That's critical for making bubble.
It makes the glands break free, easily.

And I'd suggest that you use a kitchen sieve to pre-filter.
Then, a 45 micron bubble bag will take a lot less time to drip through than coffee filters.

And, if you keep the water cold, the resin glands will sink to the bottom.
A little waiting, and decanting, and siphoning can yield some fine full-melt without the use of any filters.
Makes "po'-boy hash". :D

Aloha,

Weeze

[Jack Charles]

Now no forget to come back and tell us what you found out.
Weigh the buds, weigh the resin, weigh the oil, please.

I trust that you used very cold water?
That's critical for making bubble.
It makes the glands break free, easily.



I will most definitely post the results when everything is said and done, and maybe an update in between.

You also have a good idea with just using the bubble hash for the oil extraction, I will have to try that next time.
This time though I think I will stick with my original experiment which is just doing the ethanol extraction on the entire amount of plant material without separating anything first.

So instead of using cold water to break off the trichomes or glands I used hot water initially which was geared more towards removing as much chlorophyll as possible, and hopefully a good amount of pesticide residue. I was thinking of it like making a cup of tea. The hot water extracts that stuff better and quicker I thought. It's not hot now though I'm just going to leave it at room temperature for a day or two.

Then ill use the coffee filters because I don't want to separate the trichomes or glands from the leaf/bud plant material. I want to keep all of the thc containing material together because its all going to get washed with the ethanol. I only want to extract the chlorophyll and other impurities and wash off the pesticides with the water when it is strained from all the thc containing material. I'm even going to throw the filter in with the ethanol after the straining process just to make sure all of the stuff that got stuck to the filter will be stripped of the goodies (hopefully). I think I will post the results and updates on the other thread I created which is under the title of "Water wash before ethanol extraction of cannabis oil?" Just because I don't want to hijack this thread I don't think that would be fair to the original poster. Feel free to check that one out tho man. I really will be interested to see how this experiment goes. I really have no idea what to expect. Ill take some pictures and post those as well after I figure that all out because I'm still new to these boards and I'm still getting my sea legs as they say, haha!

[nascarmike]

Weezard
thank you so much for your answers. Puts me at ease
After this experience I truly believe this should be legal.

Any other thoughts would help this very sick newbie.
I have the best medical insurance in the US..... means nothing when they cant cure you

Your not alone, many of us are in the same boat. I've had undiagnosed chronic chest pain for over five years. Lots of Dr.s but no answer. Hang in there and try not to lose hope. Remember that there is no one size fits all remedy. Keep searching until you find something that you can live with.

[Marzfisch64]

this tutorial shows you how to purify your rick simpson oil and makes a much better hash oil than rick simpson oil!!!
http://boards.cannabis.com/concentrates/205709-great-iso-alcohol-method-high-potency-next-no-green.html

[clint902]

Does anyone get acid reflux when taking the oil?
I did for the first few days and took zantac for it and it helped but now I'm up to 1/3 gram a day but I feel bloated and have that icky feeling 24/7 over the past couple of days. This is nothing new to me because before I started the oil, I used to smoke and every time I smoked, I got that same knot in my stomach every time but only lasted an hour before it eased up and I got the munchies. I don't get the munchies with the oil. I'm not gonna take the oil today to see if my abdominal distress eases up.