General Organics vs General Hydroponics

[Leonardo de Garden]

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General Organics GO Box on the left, General Hydroponics Flora (grow/bloom/micro) series on the right. At 4 wk growth 1 wk flower, Flora is taller by 7 inches.

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The root system for the Flora series was more developed than in the organic system.

What I'm really interested in is blind testing the final product. I want to know myself if the difference is apparent from the buds. The chemical based line has the edge on growth, but will the organic taste better?

[Leonardo de Garden]

UPDATE:

Chemical Still ahead on left. Organic on right.

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[Bloomin Idiot]

A note on organics.

They need to be broken down to the base elements. So IMO in the end you end up with a potentially toxic plant ( some types of organic growing). The stuff made in the lab is way way better. In many ways. I can only say that I never heard of a death from consuming something grown with chemical ferts, I cant say the same about organics. I admit it is a lottery but it still exists. There have been deaths from consuming toxins from using manure/organics (E. coli).

I can grow either way, but prefer the chemicals. They are super stable and I dont have to change out my solutions to manage them. I simply monitor EC and adjust. With organics you can basiclly slam it full and not worry about burns. The down is lockout due to crazy PH commonly.

If you really want to have fun and make your fertilizers for hydroponic solutions, I suggest reading up on hydroponic sweet peppers. They use alot of what cannabis does in the same fashion. For nickles on the dollar you can have the same thing anyone sells. The 7 basic elements remain consistent. As far as the more expensive bottles you will encounter- that is all about bacteria and enzyme culture. Thats what you are paying for. If you look at a root product like say ZHO by Botanicare vs voodoo juice from Advance Nutrients-both root stuffs....Big difference in counts. Big difference in price. Same with products like whateveryouwannacallit -zyme- If its a good product you wont have build up or green algae sucking up wastes or dirty trays as the enzymes clean the trash. and again you get what you pay for.

If you are a new grower I wouldn't worry about all the bells and whistles. You most likely wont get your monies worth and honestly..its a weed....dont overthink it...


OK im going to look at your pics now.

[Leonardo de Garden]

A note on organics.

They need to be broken down to the base elements.

So IMO in the end you end up with a potentially toxic plant ( some types of organic growing). ....There have been deaths from consuming toxins from using manure/organics (E. coli).

If you are a new grower I wouldn't worry about all the bells and whistles. You most likely wont get your monies worth and honestly..its a weed....dont overthink it...

On the whole organic = dangerous thing, depends on what it is and how it's prepared. If you are concerned about ecoli etc, don't use animal products that could be carriers in your organics. And most problems arise from people getting fresh crap on goods about to be harvested, that sort of idiocy. I personally use animal meals and guanos, but it is technically a smidge safer not to. With just a little education it can be really pretty safe to make and use your own compost etc.

I know what you mean about the bells and whistles not being right for a new gardener. I am a big fan of the "it's a weed get out of the way and it will grow" philosophy myself, but please understand, I have a curiosity beyond most cats, I always have to know that one step past what I do now.

By the way, I myself am not a new gardener. I'm not going to brag, because I'm still new here on this forum, and where I come from you don't go to someone else's house and start shooting your mouth off about yourself, but yeah, I have skills.

[Leonardo de Garden]

4 wks growth, 6 wks flower - Organic:

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4 wks growth, 6 wks flower - Chemical:

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[seldomBLUE]

What I'm really interested in is blind testing the final product. I want to know myself if the difference is apparent from the buds. The chemical based line has the edge on growth, but will the organic taste better?

The question i got, without going off on a tangent is "which will taste best', ganic or ponic). I say 50% of mother nature beats no mother at all. To me, ganic bud is about 20% better.

[Leonardo de Garden]

The question i got, without going off on a tangent is "which will taste best', ganic or ponic). I say 50% of mother nature beats no mother at all. To me, ganic bud is about 20% better.

That's what I've heard, and hope to find out for myself.

[Leonardo de Garden]

General Organics flowering week 8
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General Hydroponics flowering week 8
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[Leonardo de Garden]

General Organics week 10

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General Hydroponics Flora week 10

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[bedrik]

Well I do not know much about it but I think general organics is good.

[Leonardo de Garden]

Well I do not know much about it but I think general organics is good.

No arguement here, haven't seen any indication of nutrient deficiency, and the plant seems happy and healthy.

[Leonardo de Garden]

General Organics 32 grams dry.
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[Leonardo de Garden]

General Hydroponics Flora line 71 grams
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[Leonardo de Garden]

Getting ready for the taste tests.

Step one: Attached the identity of each on the underside of the jar lids. The lids will have to be disassembled to reveal which is GO, which is GH, and which was grown with traditional organics.

Step two: Jars were mixed, spun, twirled, and otherwise confused.

Step three: Jars were randomly labeled "Thing 1", "Thing 2", and "Thing 3".

Step four: Each jar in turn was cleaned and joints were rolled, with a single band for Thing 1, two bands for Thing 2, and three bands for Thing 3.

Step five: One of each of the three things was placed into small bags, to be used for testing.

In a nutshell, I don't know which is which. All I know is that all the Thing 1's are the same, all the Thing 2's are the same, and all the Thing 3's are the same. Once I have collected feedback about each Thing, I can open the jar lids and match the feedback to the nutrient.
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[Leonardo de Garden]

Samples have been handed out, waiting to hear back for results.

[Leonardo de Garden]

So far none of the three are bad.

[Leonardo de Garden]

First report in: "Drummer Dude"

Thing 1 (Favorite) Strong grape notes. Best flavor.
Thing 2 (2nd) Very smooth, like an ultralight cigarette. Hard to tell for sure that you got a hit until you exhale.
Thing 3 (3rd) "Indoor, you can tell. Tastes expensive".

[Leonardo de Garden]

While waiting to hear back from hopefully a few more folks, I may as well take my turn.

I have Thing 1, Thing 2, and Thing 3. Nicely rolled and awaiting a touch of flame to spring to life.

Sniffing the joints:

Thing 1: Smells faintly of weed.
Thing 2: Much stronger aroma.
Thing 3: Between the two.

The smell of each is pleasant enough, so on this I'd rank them 2, 3, 1.

First hit:

Thing 1:Smooth, pleasant. Mild fruity flavor on the tip on my tongue on exhale.
Thing 2: Very smooth. No lung expansion.
Thing 3: Similar to 2, but more robust, and not quite as smooth.

End of round one. I'm not going to be sad to finish smoking any of this. And I'm very surprised how different the subtle notes of each tastes.

Thing 1 has a mellow, nice weed-like flavor. Sweetest of the three. Would be nice on a couch with friends.

Thing 2 is by far the smoothest. It is more like smoking out of a vaporizor than smoking a joint. On the down side, it shares the same drawback, in that it is almost too smooth to feel fulfilling. However this one is done would be best for people who tend to coughing problems.

Thing 3 has the strongest hints of floral. Flavor is of similar intensity as Thing 1.

To sum it up, thing 1 tastes the fruitiest, thing 3 tastes the most floral, and thing 2 has only a mild hint of a flavor. I thought I was going to be able to pick out the synthetic pretty easily, and I can't. I contrary to the popular opinion of many, I didn't detect an off flavor to any of them, and wouldn't mind smoking a couple of ounces of all three.

Oh, and yes, right now, the tip of my nose is numb. I'm feeling pretty mellow and okay at the moment.

My picks in order of preference, are 3,2,then 1. Since Dummer Dude rated Thing 1 (Favorite), Thing 2 (2nd), Thing 3 (3rd), lets assign 2 points for a win, and 1 point for 2nd.

That puts the current total at

Thing 1: 2 points (he liked best)
Thing 2: 2 points (we both ranked it second)
Thing 3: 2 points (I liked best)

[Leonardo de Garden]

Report from artist dude:

Thing:1: Strongest aroma and flavor by a long shot- sweet really.
Thing 2: Middle of the pack on aroma and flavor.
Thing 3: Least flavor and aroma, perhaps a little harsh too.

Overall though I'd say #2 and #3 were within about 70% of #1 and still very pleasant. : )

Running total:

Thing 1: 4 points
Thing 2: 3 points
Thing 3: 2 points

[Leonardo de Garden]

Three more results just in:

Dude at the river:
Ranked in order: 1,2,3
"Thing 1 had the best flavor, similar to thing 2. They all three taste organic, but thing 3 needed more flushing."

Lady at the river:
3,2,1

Liked the mildness and gentleness to things 3 and 2. Didn't feel like coughing at all. Wrote a little poem afterwards.

"Thing 1 is done,
Thing 2 is through,
Thing 3 is free
Hooray for me!"

Lady at the river's BF:
1,3,2

Liked 1 the best because it had a stronger taste, more substantial and satisfying. Thought that 3 and 2 were nice, but without the sharper edginess of 1.

Current Totals:
Thing !: 8 points
Thing 2: 5 points
Thing 3: 5 points

[Leonardo de Garden]

Another report:

#1 was detectably fruity on the inhale; smooth and no harshness on the throat. Very nice aroma, has a berry-fruit-light citrus taste and scent, but with just a hint of floral notes on the top. I get a slight Frankincense flavor with some woody bottom notes. Sweet, but potent. Slightly creeper. Very good smoke, head high, energizing, creative thought inducing. Very tasty, and the sweetness lingers.

#2 more harsh, no fruit nor floral fragrance, no fruit flavor, hits the back of my throat hard. It’s a good smoke, and a mellow, head high, and also is very energizing. I missed the fruit and floral notes in this one. It also has a stronger Frankincense smell and taste to it, stronger than in #1. I detect a bit of pine scent, woody bottom notes, I’m not getting the honey-sweetness of the Frankincense, just the essence of pine topped with a hint of lemon.

#3 Fresh cut florals! Fresh berries and citrus! A bit of bite on the inhale, and on the exhale, bright floral notes come forth in abundance, with much more flavor and scent than in #2, and slightly more than #1. The scent and taste is both woody and floral, with a light, berry-citrus fruit scent and pineapple-mango taste on the top notes. There is also a subtle softening of the bright and woody flavors with a hint of vanilla, which mutes it slightly. #3 has layers of flavor, and it’s easy to detect the florals, the fruit and the woody earthiness. This is my favorite of the three.

I ran this test twice, on different days, and #3 is definitely my favorite. It has layers of flavor and scent that make it a delicious smoke, and a mellow, yet energetic high. However, I think all three samples are very good, and I liked all of them. #3 just had more layers of flavor and scent.

I asked her about her second place, and she liked Thing 1 next best.

Current Totals:
Thing !: 9 points
Thing 2: 5 points
Thing 3: 7 points

[Leonardo de Garden]

Thing 1: Was good, 2nd best.
Thing 2: Had a smooth taste, got me motivated but the high did not last long. Oh and #2 has my babbling
Thing 3: Choked me with each hit but my body is numb and a nice head high also. The favorite.

Current Totals:
Thing !: 10 points
Thing 2: 5 points
Thing 3: 9 points

[ghost83]

So which thing was grown with organic?

[Leonardo de Garden]

Skimpy report from industry guy:

Thing 1: Strongest (2nd)
Thing 2: Favorite
Think 3: Pretty good

Current Totals:
Thing !: 11 points
Thing 2: 7 points
Thing 3: 9 points

And the tenth and last report:

Viper guy:

Thing 1:Sweet, slightly fruity
Thing 2:Bland in comparison to 1&3
Think 3:Not as sweet as 1, and more floral than fruity. Best flavor. Thing 1 a close second.

Which completes the panel of ten. Will post any others that trickle in, but I'll take these first ten as my sample.

Final Tally:

Thing 1: 12 points
Thing 2: 7 points
Thing 3: 11 points.

Now to go back to the thing jars, take the lids apart, and find out which thing is which.

[Leonardo de Garden]

Things revealed.

Just opened the jars, the things are:

Thing 1: General Hydoponic Flora Series.
Thing 2: Traditional Organics
Thing 3: General Organics GO Box