Quest Diagnistics In Southern California and Quick Fix 5.7 With Uric Acid

[Wyatt42]

Has anyone dealt with Quest Diagnostics lately and used quick fix? My gf has a urine test there this week and we are trying to weigh our options. The paper work says it's an SAP 10-50 w/nit. Does this mean no gc/ms?

We have two options, one is substituting someone else's pee(I don't know how to handle storage of this to maintain a good sample). The other option is Canadian Quick Fix with uric acid. Both will be done using a urinator.

I would prefer to use the synthetic but have seen a small number of reports of it not working but am unsure as to their legitimacy. Anyone know the deal for this particular situation?

Also, she overheard someone saying something about them making you keep the doir open. I think this was just someone talking who didn't actually know but just in case is there any truth to this?

Thanks in advance.

[Burnt Toast]

The paper work says it's an SAP 10-50 w/nit. Does this mean no gc/ms?

Even though its not listed in the test code, the GC/MS can still be performed on any of the 10 panels that have tested positive on the initial SAP screen. My question to you is, what is it about the GC/MS that is of concern to you?

[Wyatt42]

I don't know that much about it but I was under the impression that further lab testing like the gc/ms could detect the Quick Fix and the normal screen wouldn't. I understand there is a lot of misinformation being spread around but looking through this site I don't get the impression that people here have a specific agenda to push specific products so I thought I would see what info I could gather about this.

[Burnt Toast]

I don't know that much about it but I was under the impression that further lab testing like the gc/ms could detect the Quick Fix and the normal screen wouldn't. The GC/MS is not used for this purpose. An entirely different means of methodology is used instead. The GC/MS is only used to confirm drug positives and two types of adulterants (pyridine and glutaraldehyde).

For more info, read post #10 in this thread:
http://boards.cannabis.com/drug-testing/201412-worried-about-qf.html

With all the above pointed out, synthetic urines will have no problem clearing the SAP screen or the GC/MS because they simply contain no drug metabolites to test positive for.

[Wyatt42]

That makes sense. At this point my only concern is really if the lab is doing g these tests and if the quick fix will pass them. I'm not in OR or any of the other states I have seen pointed out in news articles as spotting synthetic but there is still that unknown. Hopefully, I'm worried about nothing.

[Burnt Toast]

At this point my only concern is really if the lab is doing g these tests and if the quick fix will pass them. Specimen validity tests have become lab SOP in recent years. The labs have to perform the tests that are outlined in the DHHS regulations, and must apply the criteria for a "non-human" (aka 'substituted') sample described in those regulations.

A rundown of the validity tests and the criteria to applied can be found here:
http://www.workplace.samhsa.gov/DrugTesting/pdf/Specimen%20Validity%20Testing%20-%20February%202005.pdf


As long as the synthetic batch is unexpired and had been kept away from direct sunlight, it will clear the creatinine, S/G, and the rest of the validity checks mandated by the DHHS.

[Wyatt42]

Thanks for all the info. I read that document and it's very reassuring. I did notice that it didn't mention anything about uric acid yet i hear some labs are checking for that. If these are the protocols that are to be followed does this mean those labs aren't following protocol?

[Burnt Toast]

I did notice that it didn't mention anything about uric acid yet i hear some labs are checking for that. If these are the protocols that are to be followed does this mean those labs aren't following protocol? To put it more accurately, they would be violating protocol. As youve noticed, there are no upper or lower threshold standards established for uric acid. Thresholds must be in place in order to maintain legitimacy of the drug test. A lab simply cannot pick a threshold figure out of thin air and make a pass/fail ruling on a sample based upon this.

[Wyatt42]

Well, we managed to be able to get a completely clean urine donor so we can hold on the QF for now. We will be able to get the donor urine the morning of the test. At most my gf would be waiting 3 hours based on the operating hours of the lab from when we get the sample. The sample will be going directly into the urinator as soon as it's collected. With that, we are looking at a max 4 hour winodw from getting the sample and providing the sample. Will the sample be okay upon submission to the lab after that time or should we make an effort to shorten that window of time?

As long as its a closed door test with no type of pat down I can't see them knowing. There has been chatter overheard about them making you keep the bathroom door open but that doesn't seem right to me unless something has changed since the last time I had to take a test years back. What's the consensus? Is the open door chatter just that?...Chatter?

[Burnt Toast]

More like a bunch of scare tactics than chatter. If there is a door that can open/close you can bet the farm that I will close that door - even if I was a 100% drug-free donor giving a sample. If I were to ever be confronted, I would first play the "shy bladder" card and tell the collector that I cannot urinate with the door open. If this doesnt convince the collector, then my next move would be to ask "where is it in your corporations letterhead that states that the door must be left open when a donor gives a urine sample?"
I'll bet you a fin that no such directive exists.

As far as being patted down, the collector cannot lay a hand on you if the U/A is employment-related. That would constitute "groping" and is against the law. The collector can only have you remove hats, coats, and emptying of your pockets.

Now if the U/A is for court-ordered probation, thats an entirely different ball game as the person placed on probation had relinquished all of the rights normally afforded for those taking an employment-related U/A.



Well, we managed to be able to get a completely clean urine donor so we can hold on the QF for now. We will be able to get the donor urine the morning of the test. At most my gf would be waiting 3 hours based on the operating hours of the lab from when we get the sample. The sample will be going directly into the urinator as soon as it's collected. With that, we are looking at a max 4 hour winodw from getting the sample and providing the sample. Will the sample be okay upon submission to the lab after that time or should we make an effort to shorten that window of time?

The sample will be fine during this time period.

[Wyatt42]

Thank you for all the info you provided. Sounds like we are fine. I'll update how it goes.

[Wyatt42]

Apologies for bumping this but rather then start a new thread I figured I would continue here. I picked up some thc test strips that test for 50ng. My gf just used one this afternoon and it showed a clear negative. She doesnt use that much marijuana. The last time she really used was two weeks ago in the form of tincture. This was a few sprays each day for about 5 days ending about 1.5 weeks ago. Since then she hsingle ad one vape hit and a single Oreo cookie out of a pack of 3. The cookie/vape was last Saturday. Prior to two weeks ago any use was very non frequent. Now five days later the test strip shows negative with a solid (not faint) line.

If this isn't a fluke she would prefer not to substitute at all but I'm wary if this means anything other then she would have passed right now. We have more strips and plan on checking a few times but not sure if we should not substitute. So fat we have done two and both are negative.

How valid are these tests compared to the real deal and what are the chances of this just being a one off fluke? If they all come back negative up until tomorrow morning would she pass a test later in the morning.

[Burnt Toast]

The home tests and the assays used by the labs (for the initial screening) function on the same principle. Therefore, neither are more reliable than the other.

When testing yourself, always use the first urination of the day when THCA concentrations would be at their highest. By doing it this way, youre testing yourself under a "worst-case scenario". If youre routinely testing negative under that "worst-case scenario", youre good to go. :thumbsup:

[Wyatt42]

Good know. The test has to be done by the first so we really only have tomorrow morning to do a worst case scenario test. If the test is clear first thing in the morning would that mean she would be good to go for the remainder of the day?

[Burnt Toast]

Good know. The test has to be done by the first so we really only have tomorrow morning to do a worst case scenario test. If the test is clear first thing in the morning would that mean she would be good to go for the remainder of the day? Yep, as long as she doesnt resume cannabis use between then and the scheduled U/A.

[Wyatt42]

Last question, can an individual go to a testing place and just pay for a test in their own? Like could we go to one of the quest locations and take a private test not connected to the employer?

[Burnt Toast]

I dont see any reason why they wouldnt. Labs are in to making a profit, like any other business.

[webdox]

Last question, can an individual go to a testing place and just pay for a test in their own? Like could we go to one of the quest locations and take a private test not connected to the employer?

I have done this many times throughout the years. Labs are more than happy to do how ever many panels you want as long as you are willing to pay for it :)

For instance when I was trying to get into medical school I had to pee to be accepted into the program. Back then I was clueless as to how easy substitution was so I tried to clean out naturally. After 50 days and still peeing hot on home tests I was able to go and pay for my own test and get quantification as to exactly where I stood with my first piss of the day. I then decided to attempt dilution without creatine loading 5 days later at a different lab (the one the school would ultimately be sending me to) and came up negative/dilute and was able to see that my creatinine level had failed me. Then 3 days later after creatine loading I returned and diluted the same amount of fluids and this time I was negative and my creatinine was over 100 and passed. So I new without a doubt I was golden following that same exact regiment with the simple addition of 5 heaping Tbsp of creatine monohydrate spaced out throughout the day x 3 days. I think I only paid between $25 and $40 each for the tests. Good luck.

[deandavidmartin]

Last question, can an individual go to a testing place and just pay for a test in their own? Like could we go to one of the quest locations and take a private test not connected to the employer?

I used Online Medical Lab Tests, to get a lab test done at Labcorp. I was under the impression you couldn't just walk in to Labcorp and get a test done. I thought you needed a physician to order a lab test for you. I could be wrong.

[Wyatt42]

Well after multiple negative home tests(First Check and strips from Amazon) using the the first void of the day around 2 in the afternoon my gf went in and just did it natural with no subbing. The home tests showed different intensities in the color of the negative line but no matter what time of day it was negative.

Even with the reassurance here I'm still stressing it. With the last time she consumed any cannabis being 9 days ago I don't feel 100% confident.

Do I legitimately have anything to worry about or should I just be chilling?

[Wyatt42]

Well today HR told her they got the drug test info and that she was "all set" with everything so I take that as a pass.

All in all I'm surprised that she cleared a test so quickly. I always thought that thc was detectable for longer periods but now it seems that's only the case in heavy users. She had what I would consider a lot in a short period but prior to that prettying sparse so I figure that has something to do with it.

On a side not I will say the info presented in these forums is far more useful this one large "other" site of a similar type name;)

Thanks for all the help and info you provided.

[webdox]

This site is the only one left where you can get factual information from folks with no hidden (or downright overt) agendas. The other one you speak of used to provide factual information until the forums were taken over by paid advertisers whose main goal is to screw people out of their hard earned money so they can purchase magic colored water...