Quest Diagnistics In Southern California and Quick Fix 5.7 With Uric Acid

[Wyatt42]

Has anyone dealt with Quest Diagnostics lately and used quick fix? My gf has a urine test there this week and we are trying to weigh our options. The paper work says it's an SAP 10-50 w/nit. Does this mean no gc/ms?

We have two options, one is substituting someone else's pee(I don't know how to handle storage of this to maintain a good sample). The other option is Canadian Quick Fix with uric acid. Both will be done using a urinator.

I would prefer to use the synthetic but have seen a small number of reports of it not working but am unsure as to their legitimacy. Anyone know the deal for this particular situation?

Also, she overheard someone saying something about them making you keep the doir open. I think this was just someone talking who didn't actually know but just in case is there any truth to this?

Thanks in advance.

Wyatt42 Reviewed by Wyatt42 on 07-26-2012. Quest Diagnistics In Southern California and Quick Fix 5.7 With Uric Acid Has anyone dealt with Quest Diagnostics lately and used quick fix? My gf has a urine test there this week and we are trying to weigh our options. The paper work says it's an SAP 10-50 w/nit. Does this mean no gc/ms? We have two options, one is substituting someone else's pee(I don't know how to handle storage of this to maintain a good sample). The other option is Canadian Quick Fix with uric acid. Both will be done using a urinator. I would prefer to use the synthetic but have seen a Rating: 5

[Burnt Toast]

The paper work says it's an SAP 10-50 w/nit. Does this mean no gc/ms?

Even though its not listed in the test code, the GC/MS can still be performed on any of the 10 panels that have tested positive on the initial SAP screen. My question to you is, what is it about the GC/MS that is of concern to you?

[Wyatt42]

I don't know that much about it but I was under the impression that further lab testing like the gc/ms could detect the Quick Fix and the normal screen wouldn't. I understand there is a lot of misinformation being spread around but looking through this site I don't get the impression that people here have a specific agenda to push specific products so I thought I would see what info I could gather about this.

[Burnt Toast]

I don't know that much about it but I was under the impression that further lab testing like the gc/ms could detect the Quick Fix and the normal screen wouldn't.

The GC/MS is not used for this purpose. An entirely different means of methodology is used instead. The GC/MS is only used to confirm drug positives and two types of adulterants (pyridine and glutaraldehyde).

For more info, read post #10 in this thread:
http://boards.cannabis.com/drug-test...-about-qf.html

With all the above pointed out, synthetic urines will have no problem clearing the SAP screen or the GC/MS because they simply contain no drug metabolites to test positive for.

[Wyatt42]

That makes sense. At this point my only concern is really if the lab is doing g these tests and if the quick fix will pass them. I'm not in OR or any of the other states I have seen pointed out in news articles as spotting synthetic but there is still that unknown. Hopefully, I'm worried about nothing.

[Burnt Toast]

At this point my only concern is really if the lab is doing g these tests and if the quick fix will pass them.

Specimen validity tests have become lab SOP in recent years. The labs have to perform the tests that are outlined in the DHHS regulations, and must apply the criteria for a "non-human" (aka 'substituted') sample described in those regulations.

A rundown of the validity tests and the criteria to applied can be found here:
http://www.workplace.samhsa.gov/Drug...ary%202005.pdf


As long as the synthetic batch is unexpired and had been kept away from direct sunlight, it will clear the creatinine, S/G, and the rest of the validity checks mandated by the DHHS.

[Wyatt42]

Thanks for all the info. I read that document and it's very reassuring. I did notice that it didn't mention anything about uric acid yet i hear some labs are checking for that. If these are the protocols that are to be followed does this mean those labs aren't following protocol?

[Burnt Toast]

I did notice that it didn't mention anything about uric acid yet i hear some labs are checking for that. If these are the protocols that are to be followed does this mean those labs aren't following protocol?

To put it more accurately, they would be violating protocol. As youve noticed, there are no upper or lower threshold standards established for uric acid. Thresholds must be in place in order to maintain legitimacy of the drug test. A lab simply cannot pick a threshold figure out of thin air and make a pass/fail ruling on a sample based upon this.

[Wyatt42]

Well, we managed to be able to get a completely clean urine donor so we can hold on the QF for now. We will be able to get the donor urine the morning of the test. At most my gf would be waiting 3 hours based on the operating hours of the lab from when we get the sample. The sample will be going directly into the urinator as soon as it's collected. With that, we are looking at a max 4 hour winodw from getting the sample and providing the sample. Will the sample be okay upon submission to the lab after that time or should we make an effort to shorten that window of time?

As long as its a closed door test with no type of pat down I can't see them knowing. There has been chatter overheard about them making you keep the bathroom door open but that doesn't seem right to me unless something has changed since the last time I had to take a test years back. What's the consensus? Is the open door chatter just that?...Chatter?

[Burnt Toast]

More like a bunch of scare tactics than chatter. If there is a door that can open/close you can bet the farm that I will close that door - even if I was a 100% drug-free donor giving a sample. If I were to ever be confronted, I would first play the "shy bladder" card and tell the collector that I cannot urinate with the door open. If this doesnt convince the collector, then my next move would be to ask "where is it in your corporations letterhead that states that the door must be left open when a donor gives a urine sample?"
I'll bet you a fin that no such directive exists.

As far as being patted down, the collector cannot lay a hand on you if the U/A is employment-related. That would constitute "groping" and is against the law. The collector can only have you remove hats, coats, and emptying of your pockets.

Now if the U/A is for court-ordered probation, thats an entirely different ball game as the person placed on probation had relinquished all of the rights normally afforded for those taking an employment-related U/A.

Well, we managed to be able to get a completely clean urine donor so we can hold on the QF for now. We will be able to get the donor urine the morning of the test. At most my gf would be waiting 3 hours based on the operating hours of the lab from when we get the sample. The sample will be going directly into the urinator as soon as it's collected. With that, we are looking at a max 4 hour winodw from getting the sample and providing the sample. Will the sample be okay upon submission to the lab after that time or should we make an effort to shorten that window of time?

The sample will be fine during this time period.