Grow Closet Help

[Esteban1]

Newbie here so here are the facts;

Just started a "Grow Closet" 8' x 4' x 1.5' & have 4 "white widows" x 1.5 weeks looking ok but need help with particulars! Soil is 2 parts peat/1 part hummus w/manure, 1 tbs "Plant-Tone", & perlite. Using 2 40w cfl's & 2 45w screw in cfl's producing 3000/5500K respectively & are left on 24/7. Walls are white, temp is 88F or 31C, RH 40% at best & this is with misting the area using a fine mist spray every 2 hours. All appears fine & the leaves look nice. Is there anything more that I can do to achieve better? Pics available upon request!

[Esteban1]

Here are my babies under 2 40 cfls/2 45 cfl plug ins!


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[Esteban1]

Please help for I'm getting conflicting answers..... Keep lights on 24/7 until flowering stage v 18/6? Thanks for all the help. Btw, this is a medical need & my first grow.

[Esteban1]

Grow Closet Help
Newbie here so here are the facts;

Just started a "Grow Closet" 8' x 4' x 1.5' & have 4 "white widows" x 1 week in soil. Looking ok but need help with particulars! Soil is 2 parts peat/1 part hummus w/manure, 1 tbs "Plant-Tone", & perlite. Using 2 40w cfl's & 2 45w screw in cfl's producing 3000/5500K respectively & are left on 24/7. Walls are white, temp is 88F or 31C, RH 40% at best & this is with misting the area using a fine mist spray every 2 hours. Receiving conflicting info concerning lighting visa vie 24/7 v 18/6? All appears fine & the leaves appear to be well defined except for 1 that looks a tad stunted? Btw; This is for me & a medical necessity!! Attached is a pic 1 week post germination...... look ok...Y/N?



Thanks 277703

[Esteban1]

One more thingy..... When should I transplant into my 5 gallon jugs? Thanks for the help

Esteban

[Esteban1]

Better pic angle, again 1 week post germination..... Really could use input on this delicate matter.

Much Respect:
Esteban

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[SmokeMyPiece]

Relax bro, no need to double post. Not too many people on this forum anymore.

First thing: If this is really a medical grow, and plan to HELP people in pain, then you need to do A LOT more reading. Read all stickies. You're making a couple very basic mistakes i can see from the pic alone.

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-One plant per pot.
--1 gallon of dirt per foot of anticipated growth (least 3-5 gallons)
-6500k for veg / 2300k for flowering
-way to young for misting, let em do their thing for the first week or so they can survive on water only.
-Less your doin autos, plants like sleep. 18/6 or 20/4 is better IMO

What lights u got for flowering?
whats your setup lookin like?
list all info about your grow you can think of. ie:nutes, grow room, etc

Keep it green my man~!

[Esteban1]

Thanks again for I see that you replied to my other post! So here it goes; AS stated am only using for my issues.Fractured my femur in a dozen places and back nature cuz don't wish to ingest chemicals! I gave all of the relevant info concerning the room. Will stop misting but will only grab approx. .25-.30 RH. Is this ample..... I understand 50% is optimum? Lighting/soil is as described in my 1st post. i am but able to acquire 2 cfl's exclusively for plants & Believe "Home Depot" has them. would you suggest something of this nature for as everyone (budget constraints) I'm BROKE & in pain! I am receiving conflicting info concerning lights on 24/7 v 18/6, 20/4 thingy which is an easy transition but will the babies go into shock? Have 4 5 gallon home depot buckets ready & waiting. Again I'm new to this but well read as well as open to new ideas. My "grow room" is a closet as stated... measurements; 8' height x 4' length x 1.5' (perfect for 4 from observation?) ....Ideas on flowering lights since I imagine this will be necessary in approx. 2 months time? Cheers

[SmokeMyPiece]

Sorry, I over-looked the room msrmnts.

Dont do RH so I cant give advice there.
OK, what are the lumens of the CFLs?
-Are you gonna do CFL thru flowering?
-You want 3000 lumens per sqft in veg / 5000 lumens per sqft in flower.
--So your closet is 6 sqft = 30,000 lumens

[Esteban1]

All told I have 17.400.... Can add another strip which would make it closer to 24000. Will this suffice & yes plan on continuing with cfl's.... At which time it optimal to transplant into the 5 gallon buckets?

[SmokeMyPiece]

I like to start seedlins in 16oz cups until 3rd node. then transplant to final home.
30,000 is what youll need for optimum flowering.. especially with CFLs.
-You could make a cardboard divider to cut your room in half and compensate for your lighting.

17,400lumens would be good for 3 sqft.:: 5,800 lumens per sqft

[Esteban1]

Will grab another fixture & set up horizontally which will increase to approx. 28.000 and add another screw in & voila 32000. So since I have my seedlings (4) in a container as shown working on 2nd node I think I have some time.... then place in a larger 1/2 gallon container Y/N?

[SmokeMyPiece]

They're still together.. transplant asap. Youll be surprised at how quickly their roots grow. be very careful.
1/2 gallon is fine for vegging.

[Esteban1]

Nice, Will do in the a.m. Very cool... Will use 1 gallon H20 jugs sliced in half. give you a shout morrow after completed. Fyi, You know they are only 1.3 weeks post germination right?

Cheers

[SmokeMyPiece]

Will use 1 gallon H20 jugs sliced in half
Roots dont like light. U'd have to cover the sides (ie. black tape)
-plastic pots are ridiculously cheap at walmart.
-Even cheaper, when i transplant before goin into flower, I get those re-usable wal-mart bags. they're .25cents each and hold 3Gallons of dirt.


Fyi, You know they are only 1.3 weeks post germination right
What are you gettin at?

[Esteban1]

thanks, Was just asking if I should t-plant at a very young age (1.3 weeks post germ) but completed this a.m.! Roots looked nice.... will do the black tape thingy later t-day since I just opened up this post. will shoot off some pics in a week to doc the process. Again you are helping me help myself!

Cheers:

[Esteban1]

Big guy, Here are a few pics cause I know that "this board Loves Pics" The black tape was easiest for me so yea..... accolades!! Attached are a few pics cuz I know this board loves 'em....277720

[Esteban1]

2 more277721277722 & please tell me that they at least appear cool?

[Esteban1]

Placed some foil around plants for extra light.277723

[Esteban1]

K.... I placed a few more 6500K cfl's in the room which now brings me up to 34,200K.

[SmokeMyPiece]

OK, what are the lumens of the CFLs?
-Are you gonna do CFL thru flowering?
-You want 3000 lumens per sqft in veg / 5000 lumens per sqft in flower.
--So your closet is 6 sqft = 30,000 lumens

You're looking at Lumens right? it's different from (K).
-While in veg you need 3,000 lumens per sqft = 18,000 lumens (Veg cycle uses the brighter color which is the 6500K range)
-While in flower you need 5,000 lumens per sqft = 30,000 lumens (flower cycle uses the warmer color which is the 2300K range)

and try posting pics again, the last three posts didnt work.

[Esteban1]

Now really confused... Again running 4 40W cfl's plus 3 stand alone cfl plug in's. combined is 34,200K. Not lumens

[Esteban1]

Again, hear me out.... Using close to 34000K Is this correct? When I get to the flowering stage (If I'm lucky enough or the god of weed allows I can grab some warmer lights. Also I hear much about C02. I am able to do this with some baking soda, vinegar etc. Would you agree that this is an ok idea or much too advanced?

[SmokeMyPiece]

(K) refers to the temperature range of the bulb.
(Lumen) refers to the output of the bulb. Did the bulbs not have packages? they should be listed on the package.

C02 is for sealed rooms, dont use it.

Edit::
Ok, the 42w cfls i found online were from 2,700 - 2,800 Lumens each.
---6 x 2,800 = 16,800L

[Esteban1]

OK; I have 4 3050 lumen & 3 4000 cfl's so I need more. Got it

[Esteban1]

Got it...... I have 4 3050 lumen & 3 4000 cfl's so I need more. Are there other alternatives to add?

[Esteban1]

Gather I could grab 4 more units which would bring me up to the required 3100 + area!

[SmokeMyPiece]

Remember, you will be in the vegetative state for a good few weeks. so the req for your space in veg is only 18,000lumens of (6500k bulbs).
-Which you will only need ONE until about 3 or 4 nodes.

[Esteban1]

Again I am quite new to this culture & learning quite a bit in a short time so If I read you correctly I only need 18000 lumens at this point in time while in veg mode.... & when I get to 3 or 4 nodes I require whatBtw.... able to obtain & store "rain H20". Is this a better alternative to regular tap H20?

[Esteban1]

I took your advice & essentially cut of nearly 1/2 the room by pacing 2 photographers umbrellas hoping that even more light is transferred (as energy) in this vegetative state.277746

[SmokeMyPiece]

My bad, I understand you're new, it's just that your first post made it seem like you knew most the basics like the diff between lumens and kelvin..
ill break it down a little more in the future.

There's two cycles: Veg and Flower. You will veg for as long as you want; as the longer you veg the bigger the plant will be. However, since your new I would flower as soon as they are mature enough to ensure you dont run out of room. When you switch to flower, the plant will double sometimes triple in size.

Nodes are the places where a branch meets the main stem. They also represent a set of leaves. So when youre at 3 nodes, there should be 3 pairs of leaves.

Dont bother with rain water. Are you checking PH of your water?


I took your advice & essentially cut of nearly 1/2 the room by pacing 2 photographers umbrellas hoping that even more light is transferred (as energy) in this vegetative state
Good, so now you should be around 3sqft = 9,000 lumens for veg / 15,000 lumens for flower

*Make sure there are no light leaks. WHen your area is closed off and you see light getting out, then light will get in at those same spots. JUst a heads up.
*PICTURES: none of your pics have worked since the very first one you placed.
-click paperclip/ click add files / click basic uploader / click browse / find picture / click insert in line.

READ READ READ all stickies! this is all info that is found in stickies..peruse this site a little bit.

[Esteban1]

Yea, definitely light leaks.... Sliding door ______ Closet also, posting pics, obviously I thought they got through, fubar,,, "Paperclip"? It's not on the toolbar. only "Image"... Also thanks for your patience as I am new to this but eager to learn.
again this is serious for I'm now disabled with a frigg'n rod the size of Cuba in my femur. The pain is intense and do not wish to adhere by "Dr's Orders"! Was part of that profession (Therapist x 25 years) Never ever understood western tx modalities but earned a good salary. Your the man!

[SmokeMyPiece]

no worries.
When you click 'reply to thread' , press 'Go Advanced' (Bottom right>>

Yea, definitely light leaks.... Sliding door ______ Closet also
I guess ill understand with a pic :thumbsup:

[Esteban1]

Thanks bro....

[SmokeMyPiece]

Lookin good!
lose the foil

sqft just refers to length and width. the height is not factored. (just put reflectors above the lights)
-So when i said to cut your sqft in half i meant L or W. but since your width is only 1.5, cut your length from 4ft to 2ft.
==1.5x2= 3sqftx3,000L = 9,000L in veg

[Esteban1]

cool!

Appreciate the feedback. So when I said I cut it in 1/2 I meant by using the photographic umbrellas. Curious, when will I see a difference in growth or will this happen slowly? When I started this I knew it was going to be extremely technical. Lucky for me that there are a bunch of cool blokes to guide me. NICE@@

[Esteban1]

So what type of yield can I expect?

[Esteban1]

1couple more question if you do not mind.

1. Best seed outlet

2. best indoor strain

Again, your the man

[Esteban1]

Btw, read ur posts, very nice & extremely scientific with little room for deviation. Keep up the good work my virtual Bud

[SmokeMyPiece]

So when I said I cut it in 1/2 I meant by using the photographic umbrellas.
I know, so did you fix it? The floor needs to be cut in half, not the height...

Curious, when will I see a difference in growth or will this happen slowly?
Should be noticeable growth each day, but every grow has different variables so theres no tellin. This goes for yield as well.
-Too much light will stunt as well.... One or two should be good. Ive gave you some of these tips like three times now LOL.....................

1. Best seed outlet /2. best indoor strain
1) There are many, but ive only used attitude, and bought from 'world of seeds' and 'dinafem'.
-Other outlets I hear good reviews on are hempdepot.ca / Herbiesheadshop.com / singleseedcentre.com to name a few.
2) any that stay shorter.. Indica-heavy hybrids

[Esteban1]

what would you recommend... in terms of cutting it in half? Thought the umbrellas did a bit. BTW.... working on the 3rd & 4th set of leaves! Pics to come

[Esteban1]

2 weeks in the ground 277813

[SmokeMyPiece]

I cut my closet in half with cardboard. Cut a big box up into a single panel. I have a shelf about 6ft up, so i made the panel tall enough, and just used the shelf as the top of my box.

they should start putting on noticeable growth now.

[420vet619]

First thing, I wish you the best of luck and the most positive of vibes. Having said that you have to be realistic and also prepared for setbacks/failure when so new to it. The LAST thing you want to do is get overly excited. It lends to pushing too hard wanting better/faster results. The herb WANTS to grow so best you let it do just that. YOUR job is environment control. Like dude said RESEARCH, tons of info everywhere. You cant even begin to comprehend how many things can go wrong and beasties tryn to get to your girls. SEAL YOUR ENVIRONMENT AND FILTER ANY &ALL AIR THAT ENTERS. I get that budget is a big issue. Get rid of that fire trap you have and go spend the 100$ on a 150w high pres sodium ready to grow new. You can find even better prices on stronger used equip if you live in a "legal" state. Sounds like you're sticking organic. Get a small bottle of kelp based root enhancer, cpl fans, and some pantyhose(EXCELLENT low cost filtration), as well as addressing your lighting situation. The philosophy I live by in my garden is LESS IS BEST!!! Also, NEVER, as much as you may want to share your success/show off, EVER TELL A N Y O N E or EVER ALLOW ANYONE IN YOUR GROW AREA NOR E V E R LET A FOREIGN PLANT/CLONE IN. The Attitude seed bank is by far the best. They are very reputable and have seeds from almost everyone in stock. I have been VERY plzd with them thru the yrs. Lowryder is an auto-flowering variety so clones are not an option. If you have any questions plz feel free to ask.
Health, happiness, and prosperity to you.

[Esteban1]

Thanks bro.... I am ALWAYS OPTIMISTIC & Always go full throttle & do indeed realize that this may be a funky crop! Will invest in a well constructed box for my new grow in September. I get the strangest feeling that all of the cooks explaining (in their humble opinion) grow techniques are fundamentally/scientifically correct & open to interpretation/deviation?

[Esteban1]

Curious for I've been reading up on this 150w hps grow sys. Tons of sites. You guys have been awesome & truly appreciate the help. Btw... NOT A SOLE KNOWS .... But u guys are aware!

[420vet619]

Some rules of cultivation are immutable. Failure to abide WILL lead to disaster. Many other things you will adapt, hone, and modify to your needs, environment, and budget. No ONE way is the "right" way. People here just sharing what has worked well for them and ate an invaluable resource. You stay very diligent, dont mess with them too much and stick to the basics i mentioned and you'll do fine. I've been at this for YEARS so i def. know what works, what doesnt, and what is a waste of money.
Again bro, i cant stress to you enough to seal that area off to outside/unfiltered air....
If or when you get pests(EVERYONE does sooner or later) you will see the wisdom in the expense/work. You know not of hell untill you wage war with spider mites....
Be private and dont get ripped of or arrested.
Do not go into partnership with ANYONE, EVER. Two men could share a woman easier than two people can share a garden. Again, these are just my experiences, but i've had.years of them. Best of the best to you...

[Esteban1]

& you truly want to know why I decided in fulfilling this grow thingy.... well I started a garden on my deck (very small @ that) & wound up with an August harvest of 13 types of pepper plant, 3 tomato (although my beefsteaks had some issues my Roma tomatoes were "da bomb" measuring in greater than 9cm long! tons of herbs a-z.

[Esteban1]

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[420vet619]

...for me it was watching my dad die of cancer. He didnt want to die a morphine addict but feared loosing his ins. if he came up hot on a urine test, which he took frequently due to his condition. I took the bit of $ he left me and started growing medicine. I DO NOT sell to teenage stoner rats...only legitimate medical dispenseries in accordance with all state and local laws. The movement is far too important to try to profiteer or break the fragile laws/ordinences we've gained.


Life is hard, buy a helmet

Pain is just weakness leaving your body

Death must be easy, because life is hard

Everybody wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die...

[420vet619]

Looks great!!! Salsa time!!!

[Esteban1]

Salsa is correct... @@@@@The Paradox of life@@@@@

[Esteban1]

sorry about ur dad, This is entirely for moi, IAs stated I have a rod in my femur the size of Cuba so need the pain relief and like dad do not wish to be afflicted to traditional pain control

[Esteban1]

Big guy.....

Question, you guys seem extremely knowledgable so I would like to know where I may acquire a nice grow box that would fit inside of my close? I posted the size..... approx. 9' x 5' x 1.5' Fyi, there are a bunch out there but since I have ZER0 experience, well I think you get the point.... wanna sidestep all of the garbage & get the best bang for our Fiat $$$


Cheers"
Steven

[Esteban1]

Newest photos of the ladies? 2.2 weeks in the ground. 277865277866

[420vet619]

Unfortunfortunately im not that familar with prefab units as i constructed my own. If it were me i would focus on how well it seals at the openings and ability to run ducting to/from it. Durability of the material is important so it can stand up to repeated vigorous cleanings. Obviously price as well. If you buy a used unit STERILIZE IT. Goggle it to research and get an idea of what will fit ur needs/budget. Im guessing that 1.5ft dimension may prove difficult...

[420vet619]

...am i crackn on your grow but you have to address ur lighting ASAP. If those are over 2 wks they appear to be light stavred. Unless of course u mean 2wks from putn seed in the grnd.

[Esteban1]

2 weeks from putting seed in ground!

[Esteban1]

so not that bad... 14 days to the day of placing in ground? I hope?

[420vet619]

You're fine then! Look healthy. Make sure not too wet and they'll be fine.

[Esteban1]

Thanks bro!

[SmokeMyPiece]

Just got some seeds above ground as well. Ill try to keep track of growth compared to yours. They are one node ahead of yours so far, I'm using 2x23w CFLs.

I also make all my boxes, cant help there.

Lookin green steve-o!

[Esteban1]

Very Cool & Thanx!

Quick update as well..... Checked my babies & what a difference 24 hours makes..... looks as though they had grown 2 more sets of leaves! will shoot off some pics later as I am documenting my history as well. Fyi, Couldn't have done this w/o all of the kool kate on this site. Mega props to all

[Esteban1]

A footnote if I may. Truly only blame myself for being ignorant to the realization that I could cultivate & not purchase illegally. Kinds comical that all of these years risking my neck, profession as well as life to obtain (not to mention funding cartels as "SmokeMyPiece" implies in his or her name)! Life is good & I truly hope & pray our "republic for which it stands" gets back on track for our children's sake. Its a frgg'n mess out there concerning big gov't, employment our troops & other crap that can be written about but feel this matter is reserved for another type of blog/web site.

[Esteban1]

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[Esteban1]

Update:

5cm height, 7cm width & they appear healthy.

[meigscountygold]

They're still together.. transplant asap. Youll be surprised at how quickly their roots grow. be very careful.
1/2 gallon is fine for vegging.

I was thinking the same thing in two to three weeks they will be all tangled up.

[Esteban1]

*They are in separate 1 gallon containers*

[Esteban1]

Big guy.... My babies are getting big & full... will shot you some shots in a few.

Cheers

[420vet619]

If i were more tech savy i would post pix of my girls but alas i am a tech 'tard.
I have four pink kush coming down within the week and my 12 platinum og kush are 3wks into bloom.

[420vet619]

When they really get going you could very well see up to 2+inches overnite...

[420vet619]

Do you flower under the cfl's and if so what kind of results do you get? What amount/kind of flower density?

[Esteban1]

Big guy:

H: 7cm W: 9cm

[Esteban1]

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[Esteban1]

Hey bro:

how are ur babies?

[SmokeMyPiece]

My Bad Esteban, let me get a pic.

-btw, they're lookin real bushy my friend :thumbsup:

[SmokeMyPiece]

Dam this server is always down when I post..

Thinkin the lanky one is male.
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[Esteban1]

yousa;

approx 2.5 weeks?

[Esteban1]

Your lads look sweet my friend! & you think my kids r not bad for 2 weeks plus?

[Esteban1]

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I know that I'm being redundant but showing some more pics as this is new to me. so as you stated they appear to be getting bushy. Is this a trait stemming from the plant genus or growing method that I'm utilizing which is obviously Greek to me being very green!

[SmokeMyPiece]

Its your journal, post all you want. More pics will actually get you more responses round here.

so as you stated they appear to be getting bushy. Is this a trait stemming from the plant genus or growing method that I'm utilizing which is obviously Greek to me being very green!
Could be both, but I think its from the environment. lotta light and they stay short. They do get kinda stunted if you hit em with a lot of light from seed. Mine did stretch more, but they're just over a week old.

Your girls are definitely on their way:thumbsup:

[pushit]

Looking good.:thumbsup:

[Esteban1]

Thanks Bro!

[420vet619]

You may want to pull the lights back a cpl inches to get a LITTLE stretch to it. It is most likely genetics. Be sure to gently shake them or give em a fan to make stem stronger. Your girls look healthy and happy :)

[Esteban1]

When you say take the light back a bit I understand, but what do you mean by "shake them" or give em a fan?

[whitetop]

the more your plants move from the breeze off the fans it will get your girls thinking about making her self stronger so she can stay up on her own when bigger

[Esteban1]

gotcha

Cheers mate

[Esteban1]

Yea mate:

Placed a fan in there this a.m. & "Shak'n the trees". Wild how plant life responds to these variables!

[Esteban1]

:cool:278012278013278014 Fan in place, Temp variable @ 85F, Bright & suny

[whitetop]

she is looking nice man just dont have a fan going to fast since there only small

[Esteban1]

Thanks mate:

Just checked on 'em & they look nice. Small amount of movement,,,, visa vie no bending & such..... just some leaf movement? Are we cool with this type of activity? Wide Body, short in stature! Will post more pics in a few days so this way it will be much easier to detect progress & get some more input.

[whitetop]

if you put your light up about 2-5inch more this will get them to start stretching making it bigger

[Esteban1]

SWEET:

Will do... Just had a peek a few moment ago & the smell is .... well you know..... SWEET!!!!!

[Esteban1]

Done;

approx. 5cm... good 2 go?

[whitetop]

just fine just get her stretching for her light but not too much just do it every so often

could to do a picture of your setup

[Esteban1]

My setup is sooooo frgg'n primitive. However, I do employ the basics such as a good seed, awesome blended soil (hand crafted by yours truly), white closet, good lighting. I need some "Fung Shui" decorating help.... lmao!! I appreciate your knowledge base. & Yea, when I took a whiff of the girls this a.m. they had a distinct pungent smell.

[Esteban1]

Hey guys:

"Whitetop" recommended that I take the light back a tad to improve "stretch" so employing this technique. Attached a couple pics. Again, the smell is getting more pungent as time moves on. I am taking on All Feedback so please feel free to comment cuz geez luis..... I need all the help that I can get!@

CHEERS:
Este

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[Esteban1]

Bro....

Have you had a gander at the latest pics?

[Esteban1]

Hey bro, hows the grow?

[SmokeMyPiece]

Ya, you're lookin good. How many lights you have on?

[Esteban1]

Like 7 lights...., 4 40's as fore mentioned & 3 45's. "Whitetop" recommended I take the lights back to approx. 5 inches so that was done this a.m. Its a funny thing but this strain is getting way bushy & it appears to be gaining approx. 1-2cm in "width" every day but height no t so much. Gather this was the reasoning behind Whitetop recommended the light thingy for some stretch. whats going on with ur crop

[Esteban1]

Guys:

one of my babies wingspan is well over 15.5cm & again it smells like there's a skunk in the room. "Whitetop" was correct in instructing me to take the lights back a bit for they are now getting taller! Cheers to all for I'm feeling quite confident even though
i realize set backs will arise. Smokemypiece was also instrumental in getting my lighting correct so props to all!!

[whitetop]

so ya going to put a few pictures of them here so we can see the results ?

[Esteban1]

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Whitetop, Smokemypeice:

Cheers Mates.

Troopers all the way!:rasta:

P.S. Just noticed in pic #2 that the tips are a tad discolored.... Something going on?

[whitetop]

there nice man good work

i see discolor on all pictures i would not know about this but ill put a post in the plant problem part see if its anything

[Esteban1]

Thanks bro!

[Esteban1]

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Better Up Close Shots!

[Esteban1]

Bro:

Some discoloration on 1 of the plants. Poss to have a peek?

[whitetop]

i dont see much wrong with the close ups just looks like normal growth to me i would just carry on and if it starts getting worse then post in the plant problem section.

[Esteban1]

Thanks mate.

[SmokeMyPiece]

When it burns at the tip, the last feeding was a little too hot. Just give a little extra water next watering. Actually, do this whenever you see weird discoloration, usually works.
-I burn mine much worse, dont worry.

WW huh, by the looks of it, you got some great beans :thumbsup:

[Esteban1]

Do you mean "fertilizing"... I only did it 1 x when I transplanted?

[Esteban1]

visa vie should I fertilize with every watering for I had heard of this but I want to hear it from you guys?!

[Esteban1]

I hear a ton about plant respiration so here it goes..... Would it hurt if I tried a little C02 setup? Fairly simple to do especially indoors? All feedback appreciated. Btw, more pics to come tomorrow.

Cheers

[SmokeMyPiece]

Ya fertilizing/feeding. Just keep feeding light on the plant with the burnt tips, its not bad.

Feed every other watering.

Forget the C02. you need a sealed room anyway.

[Esteban1]

Thanks for the reinforcement! Pics later today

[Esteban1]

Hey guys:

Just did a quick growth check & my largest is 16cm in height & 15cm width and the others are just as sweet. So.... they are getting hearty & very bushy especially with the heads up by "Smokemypiece" in telling me to fertilize every other watering. Q: When should I t-plant into the 5 gallon containers? Everyone has been extremely helpful. Thanks again & as always please, please, please.... I welcome constructive criticism .

Cheers
:thumbsup:

[SmokeMyPiece]

Transplant either: When you have to water every 2 days, Or a week before you plan to flower. Whichever comes first.
-They should be good in 1/2 gallon for a while. I keep mine in the cups till I have to water every day; usually around

[Esteban1]

Guys:

Just did a quick soil check & all 4 are getting kinda dry. Just fertilized yesterday so what do you think? Also a footnote.... They are literally growing right in front of my eyes, like I can see drastic changes in only hours? Pics later today so you can possibly do a comparison.

[Esteban1]

Guys:

Day 24

As stated soil drying out after a day so I did fertilize again today. So its been feeding every other day since Wed. Here are some pics278108278107278106278109

[whitetop]

dame there sexy mate try feeding every 2-3days

[Esteban1]

Thanks for the input. Been feeding them "Plant-Tone" 5-3-3

[Esteban1]

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Day 26

[SmokeMyPiece]

Looks great my man! Ya, keep the same feeding schedule, every other day.
I see no signs of burns, so you good :thumbsup:

[Esteban1]

Awesome:

Will upload some more pics as you guys will be able to run me through the process!

[whitetop]

wow shes coming along nice man ill put the light up again as well seems a bit close on her

[Esteban1]

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[Esteban1]

Did notice that they are growing at a rapid rate & yea.... need to pull the sun up!! Thanks again. Just measured... approx. 7cm.

[whitetop]

np

nice new pictures yep they will start getting bigger quicker now

[Esteban1]

how will I know if M/F?. although apparently "feminized" one needs to be cautious..... I think!?

[whitetop]

you get hairs for female and ball polloms for male theres a post on here about it ill look for it

[whitetop]

here is a picture sorry could not find the post

[SmokeMyPiece]

They rarely show in veg. Majority will show within the first two weeks of 12/12.
-If you're goin CFLs all the way, they will need to be within 1" of the plant. They have poor canopy penetration.

[whitetop]

mine are showing sex at 27days so they should be showing but think it depends on the plant and growth.

[Esteban1]

Whitetop:

Saw the same as in "pic 2".... Small protrusions. Think I saw this on 3 of the plants?? Yousa

[whitetop]

if you get some closer pictures it would proof early sexing

[pushit]

Man if you two can sex those plants already you should stop by my place and sex mine too haha.

[SmokeMyPiece]

:S2:

[Esteban1]

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[whitetop]

female alright

guys if you have ever read high times growing bible from 1999 you will know you can sex the plant from seed and from 20+ days do your research im no expert yet Ive read more stuff to know this.

[Esteban1]

I know I'm jumping the gun but what type of quantity may I expect from 4 plants ??

[pushit]

female alright

guys if you have ever read high times growing bible from 1999 you will know you can sex the plant from seed and from 20+ days do your research im no expert yet Ive read more stuff to know this.

Dont mean to clutter your thread esteban but dont listen to whitetop. He will end up getting you a room full of seeds. Ive done plenty of research and those are way too early to sex. Smoke gave you way better advice around 7 posts up. If you dont believe me show those pics to any experienced grower on any grow site and they will tell you. Why do you think people take clones to flower to find out the sex when they want to keep mothers? You will find out the sex usually within the first couple weeks of 12/12 like smoke said above.

As for quantity, you wont know til youre done. Too may variables to guesstimate. With this being your first grow just be happy with anything you end up with. You have plenty of time to improve:thumbsup:

[Esteban1]

Understood,,,,

[pushit]

Im not trying to be a dick:D . BTW your babies are looking nice and healthy so far. Great job!

[SmokeMyPiece]

:stupid:

[Esteban1]

Thanks guys;

Will obviously keep you all posted!

[whitetop]

yeah np pushit i talk bullshit yet have you read the book and have you not noticed how they find female seeds the plants are not too young and are showing sex if you dont want to listen Esteban1 fine yet not many people have gave you good advice and with the advice me and some have gave have got you getting better plants to grow. if you want to keep with the none repliers go ahead np

plus pushit: try reading again he says "They rarely show in veg" get some glasses mate before making a dick of your self.

[Esteban1]

Guys:

No need to bicker & fuss. If its one thing I have noticed over the years (& it is very common among ALL INTELLIGENT/EDUCATED FOLKS) it is the common practice of opinions. That is why we thrive as a global community. It's cool to agree to disagree. We are human and being human is a fault. Its all good my bro's I take EVERYTHING IN & ABSORB LIKE A SPONGE. C'mon mates.... Lets thrive & GROW together.

[SmokeMyPiece]

Bro, not only was it me and Este for a good three pages, but you came in and either regurgitated somethin you've 'read', or contradicted the advice I Just gave.
-fk books, fk magazines, fk what you've heard. We give advice based on EXPERIENCE.

These quotes pretty much sum up your 'help'...:


i see discolor on all pictures i would not know about this but ill put a post in the plant problem part see if its anything
So your advice is to seek advice...... There was nothin wrong with its shade of green.


i dont see much wrong with the close ups just looks like normal growth to me i would just carry on and if it starts getting worse then post in the plant problem section.
How could you not see the burnt tips?!


wow shes coming along nice man ill put the light up again as well seems a bit close on her
They are CFLs... If they are more than an inch or so away, they're pointless.


female alright

guys if you have ever read high times growing bible from 1999 you will know you can sex the plant from seed and from 20+ days do your research im no expert yet Ive read more stuff to know this.
....Wow... Just Wow. DO YOUR RESEARCH. Actual trials, cause parroting what you've heard is incredibly detrimental to a new grower.


yeah np pushit i talk bullshit yet have you read the book and have you not noticed how they find female seeds the plants are not too young and are showing sex if you dont want to listen Esteban1 fine yet not many people have gave you good advice and with the advice me and some have gave have got you getting better plants to grow. if you want to keep with the none repliers go ahead np

plus pushit: try reading again he says "They rarely show in veg" get some glasses mate before making a dick of your self.
When I say rare, I mean 2 in the last 3 years.

I know you want to help Whitetop, but man you aint doin it the right way. How many grows have you completed And was smokeable?

[SmokeMyPiece]

Nevermind, I see you started a new thread:


ok dumb here but first indoor grow

im getting a setup together here and got my tent ect but not lighting im going for 250-300w yet still dumb on this
i want to know if with cfl i need a ballast with it as i know with the mh ones i need one but not sure about the energy ones (cfl) if one can reply on this i would be grateful
Stop giving advice until you know what you're doing.

[Esteban1]

c'mon guys.... it's all good. Again its ok agreeing to disagree. Think that there are basic guidelines in the culture. One may alter these steps with a few degrees of deviation. So, when it comes to distinguishing male from female I was told both versions i.e. can sex from very young to approx. 20 weeks. So this tidbit of information is extremely confusing? In my book EVERYONE here is awesome. Don't wanna get caught up in this so "can we all just get along"? "Smokemypiece" you are the man...gotta give you the props bro! Your empirical knowledge is awesome. A true database of information!! I gain a bunch from EVERYONE. Cheers mates. Pics tomorrow... until then, light 'em if ya got'em!

[whitetop]

not me doing it mate im in the same days as you but 1 day ahead so i know what your asking as its same on mite yet you always get one person big headed on sites yet no one has ever come up with proof on not being able to sex the plant early some plants do show early and some don't.

if you want my advice just pm as im not posting here with info to be insulted by others i know you take the info and are coming out with good results

[Esteban1]

Gotta realize that EVERYONE gives masterful information here. Again I would be dead in the water if not for you guys. Please, please, please..... keep on coming back & don't take anything what you hear HERE to heart. Again, I feel that EVERYONE has valuable information to share. Pride can be a destroyer. You guys are = to frigg'n Da vinci & Einstein in my book!!!!!!

[Esteban1]

Whitetop:

Let me have a peek @ your grow. Need some reinforcement/positvie vibes!

[whitetop]

SmokeMyPiece stop editing your post as your just trying to be a big head and thats not what people want and if you did ever read my post and i know you seen it on the other site you will know im a outdoor grower and not indoor and if you knew what you was on about they are grow differently thats why the thread was made plus re-read my posts you have quoted on post #151 as you made your self look stupid on it.
estenban1 yeah i got pictures yet we cannot pm so i can not send you them as im not putting them here for big head to try and make faults out of them.

[SmokeMyPiece]

estenban1 yeah i got pictures yet we cannot pm so i can not send you them as im not putting them here for big head to try and make faults out of them.
Id be too embarrassed to post my plant as well, if I grew with your advice.
I would never say a single bad thing about your plant if it has no problems.

[Its a Plant]

Whitetop -

There is a difference between opinions and facts. I think we all understand your intent is not meant to mislead anyone, however facts are facts, and if you cannot back up your claims with proof, people are going to call you out on them.

Do not take such offense to people disagreeing with you. The most important thing is spreading the correct information, which is something you may want to look into before posting advice in the future.

Consider this matter over. This thread will be watched carefully so please do not make us close it.

Whining in the reported posts section will get you nowhere, especially with no real grounds for infractions.

IAP ~

[Esteban1]

Smokemypiece:

Guess this ended the controversy? Yousa... Again guys, you're all bad azz cats. Fyi,,,,I'm slowing down on my caffeine intake tomorrow....lmao Send a shot, c'mon bro

[Esteban1]

Oh Well

[SmokeMyPiece]

Im truly sorry Este, Just lookin out for your grow, as well as anyone who happens to read this in the future.
This got outta control, Sorry for any inconvenience IAP.
I'd still be willing to help ya whitetop if ya ever need it.

Blaze up, Lets keep it green!

[pushit]

Smokemypiece:

Guess this ended the controversy? Yousa... Again guys, you're all bad azz cats. Fyi,,,,I'm slowing down on my caffeine intake tomorrow....lmao Send a shot, c'mon bro

;)
Esteban, just make sure you research what you are told before you make any changes to your grow. Whether it be from me or whomever. Theres alot of great info out the but theres alot of bad as well. Cheers

[Esteban1]

Guys:

You have ALL been a source for my grow. It's a shame that a moderator had to bust in for I would have figured it out cuz it didn't seem to be a huge problem? Again, facts are facts & of course opinions are a tad different.... Y/N? Whitetop appears to be sincere in his statements & that's all cool. "Smoke"... Some pics of ur grow.... c'mon mate...be a sport & don't be bashful. We're all adults here. Q; Does the moderator have eyes on us all of the time or he was just trolling to c if there was some shit going on?

[Esteban1]

getting kinda nervous cuz I feel I started a controversy. Oh well, need to relax a bit ......:rasta:

[SmokeMyPiece]

haha, na you're good. My bad, didnt know you wanted me to keep up.
One on left is at 6 nodes. right one is at 5 nodes and has topped itself, or at least stopped growin upwards. Its mutated and reeks.
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[whitetop]

not moaning mod just putting out

i have proof if you want about my facts yet with the high times bible i dont have the time stated in one post im moving and its in a box.
2rd i would like to state that the 1" away from the light and plant is wrong its 2" after reading a pro ebook (many pro and new growers read)
3rd i try to convert indoor strains to outdoor this is why i get info off other sites as i no 2% about indoor grows.

http://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/500/MH_Light_Distance_Chart.jpghttp://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/500/HPS-Light-Distance-Chart.jpg

these should help you if you are using cfl i could not find one if you find one please post

[Esteban1]

SWEET Bro,,,,

Smoke.... My kids are pee wees compared to that green! I'm ashamed to shoot ya some pics! Whitetop.... @@@YOU ARE THE MAN@@@ Don't sweat the small crap & don't get so upset. It's all good!

[Esteban1]

Gonna put the babies on an every other day feed schedule. Pics in the a.m.

[SmokeMyPiece]

Dont be, its your journal.

I just keep it simple and light from seed/clone.
-1sqft box. So 3,000L. So 2x23W CFL = 3,400L

When you start in a cup, itl stabilize quicker (when the taproot hits the bottom faster, itl really start throwin side shoots).
I've been watering when dry, and these have only gotten one 1/2str feeding Back around the 2nd-3rd node. They are starting to need a daily watering.
-The one on the right is starting to show a lighter green, so a N feed is needed soon.
-One on left is showing curling down tips = rootbound. Transplant soon.

[Esteban1]

K:

will hit you up in the a.m. Btw... I needed to feed today as well....only 1.5 days. So maybe on track as well.... Who knows, just trying to listen & absorb. TONS of material to take in so I do just that. Acting on all of this knowledge is interesting for I am seeing big changes in their growth. .....

[Esteban1]

Bro:

Been feeding a steady diet of "Plant-Tone" 5-3-3 for last 6 days now & noticed that after approx. 18 hours or so the soil has dried & the plants obviously appear green & thriving. So the question that I pose is; when is it the proper time to t-plant into 5 gallon containers? Smoke.... I see that your babies are thriving & looking SWEET... & they are in small azz containers.... cups! Will shoot the photos out later this afternoon "Eastern Time". Maybe you/someone can make a snap judgement as to their status?

Cheers

[CanGroIt]

So the question that I pose is; when is it the proper time to t-plant into 5 gallon containers?


5gal container would be too big for your lil ones any time soon.... Wait until they at least look like SMPs'....

CGI::::::

[SmokeMyPiece]

Transplant either: When you have to water every 2 days, Or a week before you plan to flower. Whichever comes first.
-They should be good in 1/2 gallon for a while. I keep mine in the cups till I have to water every day
Get a pic of your soil when dry. Im just now startin to have to water a lot in 16oz

[xzander420]

How do I post a question on here. I can reply but not sure how to post. Thanks

[Esteban1]

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[pushit]

Looking good! So are planning on topping them or just letting them grow?

[whitetop]

i know it was said 15l is too big for them now yet i think 5-10l would do you good to transplant them to get them roots growing are you watering right by the stem or few cm's away from the stem ?

[Esteban1]

"Topping Them"? or "just letting them grow"... Please explain!

[Esteban1]

I water by the stem & all around. They are kind of a small containers. So again getting conflicting info concerning t-planting... I just heard need some more time & you saying t-plant now....???

[Esteban1]

So are planning on topping them or just letting them grow? Explain bro

[whitetop]

you asked about putting in a 15l and i agree your plants are a bit to young for such a big pot but i think putting in a 5-10l one will not hurt giving more room for root growth, there are people that 2 t-plant 2 times but in away its up to you just dont put in a pot like 15l as said above.

[pushit]

So are planning on topping them or just letting them grow? Explain bro

Topping them is when you cut their tops off so you have two colas instead on one. There is a step by step on here somewhere if youre interested. Hope you dont mind but im gonna put a pic of what it looks like278156

[whitetop]

yes here it is for you

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/144573-guide-fimming-topping-made-easy.html

pishit they look nice in or out? (looks in)

[Esteban1]

OK:

You are saying no to a 15L pot or a 4 gallon pot.... Well I do have 4 5 gallon pots & will obviously clean/quasi sterilize. Been using similar pots aka ( 5 gallon paint"Home Depot" buckets) for my vegetable growing on the deck.... They are awesome & actually cheaper @ "Lowes"for what $2.65/per?? Please tell me that these are cool!!

[whitetop]

the pictures a kinda looking the same size as your plants these are 5 gallon pots

the second picture shows of a ak47 t-plant and info on photo


Tired of coughing up phlegm?? Here at GrowKind we switched from smoking to vaporizing 10 years ago, and our lungs have never felt better. In that time we have tried every vaporizer you can think of including domes, digital vaporizers, light bulbs, heat guns, and the volcano. Some work better than others but after all that time we still go back every day to our vaporizer. Do yourself and your lungs a favor. Don't Smoke! -- Vaporize!

[Esteban1]

SWEET BRO.... Thats what I'm talking about. Man... been feeding 'm like every 1-2 days & that "Plant-Tone' chicken shit fertilizer is STINKYYYYYYYY!!! Speaking of "Vaporizers" I'm a fan boy.... Used to cough a ton & I'm in the medical field & see all of the cardio-pulmonary diseases caused by inhaling carbon vapors 1st hand. It ain't pretty!!:thumbsup:

[SmokeMyPiece]

You look pretty much on track with mine man, what were you talkin bout :thumbsup:
-When you water, are you watering till you see a little run off?
-Hmm.. since you arnt gonna finish in 1/2 gal, just transplant whenever you wanna flower. Remember, they will double-to-tripple in size when flip to 12/12.

I like topping, but that may be a problem as hes doing CFLs. What about if you did one good bend parallel to the ground and throw into flower.
-Youll only have to cover a few branches per plant, and itl stall the strech a little.

[Esteban1]

I will investigate this one.... This frgg'n culture is bizarro but starting to pick up some tidbits of info here & there!

[Esteban1]

your plant looks like a wide body bro....Will switch to 12/12 in a couple months... That topping thingy sounds a tad advanced for me at this point in time unless it is very easy? & yea.... Just made sure that there was run off today... fully saturated this a.m. so I'm cool! Will switch to the 5 gallon jammies then. so, if you guys are all in agreement that all 4 plants are cool makes me feel pretty confident. Awesome:thumbsup:

[SmokeMyPiece]

Ya, mine is bagseed.. most reggie down here is sativa-dom.

If you veg for a couple months, they will be huge when you flip. Then you would need an HPS setup.
-IMO, If youre stayin with CFLs and is your first grow, I'd flower soon.
-Then you could take clones and be ready, knowing how the moms grow.

[Esteban1]

Well:

If I'm gonna try all of this techno-hippie stuff gonna need my hand held through the process cuz again... I'm green with this & in a huge way. Kinda get the vibe that most of the folks I hook up with here are EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE & will help til the cows come home. So... This is what Day 25-26 for me??.... Veg for another month or so & then flip is what I take... Will take a leap & grab an HPS setup for the next grow! Will research that clone thingy but if you can give me an easy read I would be much obliged!!~ :thumbsup: Also are we in agreement that "Plant-Tone" is ok?

[whitetop]

i did not use plant tone i used biobizz stuff not sure i same as good results as outdoor but gets a lot of happy people using there stuff i had this chart off there site to understand my feeding ect hope it helps

plus this was one i got my mom to use on her grows
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/23400-cloning-101-a.html

[Esteban1]

Whitetop[:

Sounds nice.... I'm so green & open to new suggestions that my head may explode with all of this knowledge lmao! Using what I stated & think it is pretty good from the feedback so don't think I'll change unless of course there is hard evidence that Plant-tone blows & is useless! Now... when it comes to flowering & N is needed in a big way (If I'm not mistaken) I have this "Alaska" Organic fish 20-20-20 fertilizer & hear good things... Is everyone in agreement or ?????

[whitetop]

lol not saying to change just telling what i used i was told and is on many many cannabis sites that miracle grow/tomato feed with sea weed extract/and human piss mixed is the best on all terms never tried but from results on others looks good.

if that stuff is been ok on the plant i don't see any reason to change but with flowering and N all i used was 20-20-20 stuff or bloom biobizz stuff

[pushit]

Its pretty much just the opposite. In veg you are looking for a higher N (which is usually the first # on label) then once you start flowering you should use something with a higher PK (the second and last # on the label). You will see the difference if you look up veg nutes and compare to flower nutes. Hope that makes since to you.

[Esteban1]

DAHHHH


Saw that I had it flip flopped after I wrote it.... So my Plant -Tone is cool.... ??

[whitetop]

from what i am googleing up i don't see any harm in using it man

[Esteban1]

outstanding;

thanks whitetop!!

[Esteban1]

Pushit:

Will the "Alaske Fish Fert be ok when I start to flower?

[Esteban1]

Will the Alaska Fish Fert 2-2-2 be ok when I start to flower?


Chill'n :thumbsup:

[Esteban1]

Whitetop:

Thanks for the info/pic on "topping! I may want to try this. Mate, again ur awesome so keep on delivering.

[Esteban1]

Just viewed a bunch of videos on "topping" & yes.... I will top em off. Appears to be popular for increasing the yield. So much to learn & I'm doing it on the fly.

[whitetop]

from one site


fish emulsion is good stuff. Make sure your plants are ready for nutes first - three weeks doesn't necessarily indicate it's time to fert. Wait for the cotyledons to yellow and start to fall off, then apply fert (this is a sign that the plant has used up all of its own nutrients) Start off by using it at 1/4 strength and gradually build up the concentration, but never exceed the recommended strength on the bottle. So, grab a gallon of good water and only put in 1/4 the amount of fish emulsion recommended on the bottle to start. Feed like any other watering and you should be well on your way.


Yes, 5-1-1 fish guts is good shiz fer the vegetative stage of growth. Start off with 1 tablespoon per gallon of water and water 'till it pours out the bottom of pot. You can use up to 2 tbls/gal. later on. Watch how much yer babies like it. Give 'em a dose every other watering, they will love it!

hope it helps you

[Esteban1]

Bro:

Talking about in approx. 1 month or so....Now I'm using "Plant-Tone" & they are grooving on this~ Plant-Tone" nute is 5-2-2 (high N) & I'm giving it every other day. The "Alaska" Fish Fert is 2-2-2. If I'm incorrect please advise? The cotyledons are most definitely yellowed & are either off or falling off.

[Esteban1]

Alaska Nutes 2-2-2-

In approx. 1 month (When flowering).....278185:rasta:

[whitetop]

i was just giving info as you stated if it was ok for flower and just showed that its just for veg mate

[Esteban1]

Using "Plant-Tone" now...278187

Yea if that particular brand has a 5 rating I would think so... Many varieties of Fish Fert

[whitetop]

one is saying Beastie Bloomz 0-50-30 is good for flowering if you can get that
if you cannot get that a poster posted this


look at the packets of the plant food and look for a balance that is low in nitrogen (N) and high in Phosphorus (P) and Potassium (K).

hope it helps you find a good one

[Esteban1]

I'll check it out. methinks there are a TON of nutes out thar. Think I'm gonna keep it VERY SIMPLE being a "amateur" when it comes to this stuff. I will take on all help, encouragement but think in the end one needs to use his/her common sense & run with it.

[whitetop]

well the food your giving now is ok but the quoted in in my post is like the other post one said about N-K-P just keep in mind on them.

[Esteban1]

Smoke:

2 of the 4 got BUSHY in a day.... Wild looking! Will shoot off some pic later tonight

[Esteban1]

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These 2 are getting fat

[SmokeMyPiece]

I'll check it out. methinks there are a TON of nutes out thar. Think I'm gonna keep it VERY SIMPLE being a "amateur" when it comes to this stuff. I will take on all help, encouragement but think in the end one needs to use his/her common sense & run with it.
:thumbsup:
Short, Bushy, Dark green.. Long as you veg, dont change a thing.

[whitetop]

:thumbsup:
Short, Bushy, Dark green.. Long as you veg, dont change a thing.

what flowering fert you you think he should use since i use biobizz stuff??

[SmokeMyPiece]

what flowering fert you you think he should use since i use biobizz stuff??
^? - What do you mean 'since i use biobizz stuff?' Are you askin if you should use something else?

Far as nutes goes.. You want more N in Veg., and Less N more P K in Flower.
-In soil, Only nutes I can say I've successfully grown with is FoxFarm Trio. Others will work but you may have to do some test feeds, since none are made for MJ.

Pull up mapquest. search for hydroponics. I was surprised when about 4 shops popped up around me.

[Esteban1]

Smoke:

Are we all in agreement "if it ain't broke don't fix it"? Also, I can probably grab some foxfarm trio in my area but it appears that any product will perform well as long as it meets the requirements in either veg or flower stages of development? Again, I'm so green concerning mj knowledge that its uncanny that I made it this far. Well guess not since I have the best on line instructors! Fyi, If this pans out I'm shipping all of ya some home made salsa...lmao x10.

[whitetop]

smoke
biobizz soil biobizz grow

esteban1 wants a good flower fert but since he was using something ive not used for veg im not sure if going with bio bloom would be good

but sounds like you answered stuff for him.

plus smoke can i ask when should i really feed my white widow as ive not done her before but from logs on here im not going to follow as they seem to not look after there widows right.

i was told week 3 but searched up and was said to be week 4 as i only fed on week 4.5 on other training plants?

[SmokeMyPiece]

I answered in your thread, so we dont jack this one.
Lets see some pics to see where ur at.

[whitetop]

hi yes ive replied sorry about that

[Esteban1]

I'm no expert, just have uncanny empirical knowledge of life....PERIOD. Two things I can say....again just from research & pure skeptical wisdom is that


a. People in general tend to have opinions on which product performs the best (& the best to that particular individual can be the difference between .00001% & 1%

b. Sellers exploit these facts & hit us all up for mondo denaro FOR SOMETIMES the same product for a LOT LESS $

AGAIN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT.... JUST A FART IN THE WIND

[whitetop]

bio is very cheap i get 1l bottles for 5.99 unlike the other stuff that is sold

[Esteban1]

Guys.... Mayday. What's going on.... Fert Fry?


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[whitetop]

as its looks like on all leaves i would say yes just let it dry for awhile then just water have you checked if and bugs ect?

[Esteban1]

No bugs... Been feeding like ever 28 hours.... Changed a bit today for I totally saturated them.... but only 2 teaspoons of nutes for all 4 plants.

[whitetop]

i would water fert water i would not fert all the time this could be your problem your burning your plants

[SmokeMyPiece]

Whats the ph of your water? you want 6.2-6.8

Give em a good 1GAl. rinse with ph-d water.

[Esteban1]

definitely over fert'd. Dunno the P.H. No Meter nor sticks... So are you saying "Flush".... "IGA... Irrigate?

[SmokeMyPiece]

Now that I take a second look, looks to be happening to all plants.
- I remember reading you had already started a feed-water-feed routine. This isnt necessary until around your sixth node. I think all those nuted-feedings built up in your soil. Mine are still goin on the first 1/2 str I gave em back at their 2nd node.
-Also, I see discoloration in the middle of some leaves. This is a different deficiency. Probably due to wrong ph. I would look into getting a meter and either ph-up or down.

[Esteban1]

Understood...

But until tomorrow when this may be accomplished it sounds like your saying cut back on the nutes!!?? How may I hep them out until then?

[Esteban1]

Did I say that they were on a every 26-30 hour feed routine. Thought that they liked it but guess not! no reg water in between!

[SmokeMyPiece]

Ahhhh bro....
-Give a good flush of water, 1gal each. The runoff should be sorta clear. Now make a veg mix and water untilyou see runoff again.

in the future:
Plant seed > h20 > h20 > h20 > h20 > h20 > 2nd node > 1/2str feed > h20 > h20 > h20 > h20 > h20 > h20 > slight light greening > full str feed > h20 > full str feed > h20 > full str feed etc...

[Esteban1]

K:

Just flushed... Think I may have spared them a rough ending. Will adhere to the schedule. But now that they are kinda dry...no nutes..or low on them will they be cool for a couple days or whenever dry..???

[SmokeMyPiece]

Did you not re-nute?

[Esteban1]

no... Should I?

[SmokeMyPiece]

-Give a good flush of water, 1gal each. The runoff should be sorta clear. Now make a veg mix and water untilyou see runoff again.

Yes, make a mix and feed until it runs out again

[Esteban1]

OK:

So... 4 plants in 3/4 gallon containers... how much do you think they'll require... Like 1/2 tablespoon per.... 2 tablespoons in a gallon .... ...Again... using the plant-tone 5-3-3... So it's fairly potent bird crap
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[SmokeMyPiece]

Cant tell ya, I dont know what that stuff is. Is it a water-mixed nute?
-What ive found online it looks like a top dressed soil nute. Id get a water-nute so you can dial in your feedings easier.
--How and how much have you usually been using?

[Esteban1]

It can mix up in water... been using approx 2-3 tablespoons in a gallon...
Think that may be too hot... ?? I may just let ir=t chill out for a day or so & then re-nute...

[SmokeMyPiece]

Ok good. Ya, that sounds like a pretty hot mix.. is there a feeding chart on the bag?

[Esteban1]

Yea:


"Potted plants: Mix 1 part plant-Tone to 25 parts soil, Feed established plants 1 tsb for each 3 inches of pot diameter, repeat monthly.".. yea right!!! Ad-lib all of the way!!!

[SmokeMyPiece]

Hmm, thats weird.. doesnt say how to mix into how much water.. I guess i would take the longer side as the pots 'diameter'. So if it were 6 inches long, I would put 2tsp in how ever much water it takes to get some runoff

[Esteban1]

Not sure if I want to re-nute now since I've been giving hot loads for the past week!!! Think I am gonna go with my gut feeling & let it chill... Then re-nute in a couple days then follow the schedule!?

[SmokeMyPiece]

Ya that sounds good, I was just givin a possible way to feed, not necessarily to use now.
Just watch her, she'll let ya know when she needs somethin :thumbsup:

[Esteban1]

Thanks bro:

Again, just from my knowledge of growing vegetables outdoors & putting them on a nute schedule I can extrapolate & make a decent guess as to when the time is right. To be honest this grow poses one of my greatest challenges... even greater than university .. but definitely not greater than raising my son or my 2 finicky azz cats.

[Esteban1]

Guys:

Made some "PH" paper using red cabbage & coffee filters. just to give me an idea as to where I am. They look ok... kinda no change from y'day which is a good thing. Will test later in the day as I'm waiting for the "PH" paper to absorb the juice.

[pushit]

Guys:

Made some "PH" paper using red cabbage & coffee filters. just to give me an idea as to where I am. They look ok... kinda no change from y'day which is a good thing. Will test later in the day as I'm waiting for the "PH" paper to absorb the juice.

Never heard of that method. If you ever have an extra 20 bucks laying around i would highly recommend the Milwaukee ph 600. It will take all the guess work out of it. pH 600 Milwaukee Digital pH600 Meter/Tester/Pocket/Pen | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/pH-600-Milwaukee-Digital-pH600-Meter-Tester-Pocket-Pen-/370534371856?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item564591d210)

[Esteban1]

Bro:

Awesome... Just eyed the same 1 for 17.00$.... Think I'm gonna grab the "Fox Farm" FX14050 Big Bloom, Grow Big & Tiger Bloom Liquid Fertilizer Nutrient Trio Hydro-Formula, 3/32-Ounce Bottles. Total for the items 61.60...Free Ship. Ya think that I should cave & stop guessing about my soil. This will be an on going dillyo so give me the ok & i'll go for it. Ahhhh,,, 1 more thingy. Your were talking about a "MH" light... correct.... which one did you recommend? Don't wanna search through all of the threads. Thanks bro!

[Esteban1]

"HPS" 400W?

[whitetop]

your doing 4 ww so its 100w per plant so i think 400w should be ok but for hps get bigger grow room mate