First indoors grow Log

[Mrbig1]

This is my second grow the first one was outside and did not turn out because 3 days of rain and then 3 days of like 80f+ killed it

This is a little late i would say its about 1-2 weeks old
2-3 days For germination and the rest for seedling growth.

Ive got it under 2 26w and 1 23w CFL with an 800rpm computer fan blowing cold air through the bottom so it stays nice and cool. The desiccant is just to get any access moisture out

Up until i got this one to grow it took 3-4 attempts to get the process of germination to seedling right. Let those seeds be remembered :C

For germination I sterilized a foam cooler cube with 70% alcohol to make sure no mold or germs were present. then i just used the paper towel method on a glass plate inside the cooler with it sitting on my PS2 power brick to keep it warm with the lid off so that humidity didn't create mold. Then after germinating i got some jiffy seedling mix and baked it in the oven at like 175f to make sure it was sterile put it in a foam cup made sure it was wet dropped the seed in root down. Ive just been giving it Deer park water that i got for $0.50 per 3 quart jug <great deal btw>. Then voila perfect germination to seedling

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I might of been a little meticulous with the prep but it wasn't that hard to setup up and it doesn't hurt to be safe

Also sorry if i wrote so much :P

[Dexter007]

what spectrum are these lights?just asking cos they look like warm white(2700k)
when im taking pic of my wee ones then the bulbs are like blue or smting on da photo.

[Mrbig1]

I'm not sure what Spectrum they are but if you think they are 2700k i could pick up some 6500k or something. I am just using them because they are making it grow for now and its all i had right now. 2700k will be alright now tho right?

[Treez81]

I have found that the easiest way to germinate is this:

Place your seeds in a shot glass of distilled water and cover the shot glass with a cup. Leave it for 24 hours. The next day you will notice that the seeds have cracked open and the tap root is starting to come out. I then use solo cups and the dirt mix that I will use for the entire grow. (I use fox farm ocean forest) Place the seet about a half inch down and cover with the dirt. Water well and then put a ziplock bag over the cups to create a humidity dome. Place your cups under your light. When the seedling sprouts take the bag off and mist for the next couple of days until the seedling looks about like yours do now. That's it. Very simple with almost 100% success. I blame the ones that dont pop on the seeds. lol

[Mrbig1]

I forgot to say i did soak it in water till it cracked then into the paper towel to grow some more.

I also did the cover thing but it caused them to mold so i didn't do that again

[Mrbig1]

I love being able to see noticeable growth it just makes me feel warm and fuzzy when i know it is trying its best to grow. Now i feel bad that i haven't got the 6500k lights yet :C

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[Dexter007]

I'm not sure what Spectrum they are but if you think they are 2700k i could pick up some 6500k or something. I am just using them because they are making it grow for now and its all i had right now. 2700k will be alright now tho right?

it will say that on the bulb or packet.cos 2700k is for flowering and 6500k is for vegging

[Mrbig1]

Since i have so much free time i just take pic each day (super-close up ftw) My shaky hands have gotten better lol

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Now im using 2700k bulbs apparently but does this seem like acceptable growth?

Also I have some miracle grow that i will make like 1/4 strength but when would be a good time to start giving it?

[Mrbig1]

Added a makeshift shroud for the light out of a dubble bubble bin that is like 9in tall by like 6 wide and plain white plastic but man i shouldn't have looked into the light that was beaming out lol

[Mrbig1]

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Its not as blue as in the picture looks its much clearer
Also this is the miracle grow I'm going to give it. It probably isn't even 1/4 strength but when would be a good time to give the fertilizer based on its size

[camoxnhx]

What's up mrbig. So hold off on the nutrients untill your plant is at its 5th 6th internode or sets of leaves. The soil has all the nutrients the little seedling will need. Now if possible id try to go with something organic. But then again if you don't want to be mixing all sorts of nutrient products check out a product called MAXIBLOOM. YOU can use it the way thru the plants veg and flower cycle. Pateints my friend the buds will be here in no time :-)

[Mrbig1]

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Also is the curling just because it is growing? because the light isn't to close and i haven't given it any ferts

[Mrbig1]

21st - 22nd

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To me it looks like it is doing very good but that's why I'm here :D (I also every 3-4 days give it like 1/3 its water with MG water then the other 2/3 regular deer park

[Treez81]

Those do not look good. Go to my grow log "cataract kush" and u will see what they should look like. Seems like urs r behind quite a bit. Fill out the troubleshooting form and we can give u better advise.

[Mrbig1]

the leafs are growing at least 2-3x each day but i am using the lights like 3-5 inches away and that is since i put the plain white "shroud" around it so it beams in maybe a 8x8inch area and the fan brings in enough air that you can feel it and its cold coming out the top. it is also starting to smell dank
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3 26w probably 2700k and 24/7 so far and i haven't seen any super terrible signs i am just worried that it hasn't gotten taller but could it because there is so much light it doesn't need to stretch? it should be at least 4800 lumen's on the low end of 1600 each but 26w are usually 1800. so at least 4800-5400 lumen's in the 2700k spec

[Mrbig1]

would love some replies or advice

[CanGroIt]

If you are running your light 24/7, stop..... Give it 18/6 and watch it grow the way it was meant to.... Cannabis has two photoperiods, one light, one dark. Start with this change first....

I agree with Treez81, you should fill out the troubleshooting form to get better responses as to why you plant is growing sooooooo sllooooooooooowwww.....

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[Mrbig1]

so the picture i posted on the 15th doesn't look like its grown enough in 7 days in the 22nd picture

[CanGroIt]

so the picture i posted on the 15th doesn't look like its grown enough in 7 days in the 22nd picture

No, it doesn't.... That's just my opinion though.... Think of your plant as a plant that would grow under the sun... And what I mean by that is to create an artificial environment that best mimics mother nature.... The dark photoperiod allows the plant to store energy. If you don't allow it to store energy, all energy is used and the plant builds slower....

The light period is ultimately up to you but I just think your plant will benefit from a dark period....

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[Mrbig1]

Cool cool thanks for the advice and i found out that 24/0 is fine all it will really do is make the plant shorter and stretch less and to just switch to 18/6 when the veg is over. Plus i don't need a 4ft tall plant since the dark period is just to copy outside light but doesn't affect it enough to worry until your ready to flower

[Dexter007]

CHANGE YOUR BULBS
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[Dexter007]

omg people how yous dont see his using the wrong bulbs.it allready game out 4 times..or its just me who never use only 2700k on vegging

[SmokeMyPiece]

Cool cool thanks for the advice and i found out that 24/0 is fine all it will really do is make the plant shorter and stretch less and to just switch to 18/6 when the veg is over. Plus i don't need a 4ft tall plant since the dark period is just to copy outside light but doesn't affect it enough to worry until your ready to flower

Hey MB, Nice start man, but I think CanGroIt has the right idea. Yes, a lot of ppl use 24/0 when they have an optimum setup and know the seed will grow perfectly. Ive seen it before and happens to me when starting a new medium, but going 20/4 usually jolts mine back to life when they show signs of stunting.

Bulbs:
6500k WHITE VEG STAGE
2300k YELLOW FLOWER STAGE

No nutes yet. I use a rooting feed(high in N) when i do feed for the first time but at half strength.

I keep 4 moms in veg stage with 2x26W CFLs. Your one plant may be gettin too much light right now from those three. One is prolly good for now.

Good luck bro

[Douglas1]

omg people how yous dont see his using the wrong bulbs.it allready game out 4 times..or its just me who never use only 2700k on vegging



more red dominant spectrum shouldn't make a plant grow like that, if anything it would stretch more.

vegging with hps does, blue light keeps things dense.
mixed spectrum is where its at

[Mrbig1]

Alright i took out 2 of the 26w bulbs and ill watch if it does better still going on 24/7 since i don't have a timer and cant keep turning it on and off only water for now unless it shows signs of needing nutrients FUUU to much light lol. Ill post pics in a few

[Mrbig1]

Ok only got 1 26w still on 24/7 with it it now hopefully ill see some vertical growth from it. and ill slowly add back lights once it gets bigger

Got its first set of fan leafs going
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[CanGroIt]

and i found out that 24/0 is fine...... Just because you can, doesn't mean you should......again, just my opinion....

and to just switch to 18/6 when the veg is over...... You will have better results if you switch to 12/12 once veg is over:thumbsup:....

Plus i don't need a 4ft tall plant......I don't let my plants grow taller than 2ft....see pic....

Just remembered this is your first grow.....you'll learn....

Happy Growing!!!!

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[Mrbig1]

Well its showing no signs of not wanting to grow new leafs lol hopefully with 1 bulb it will grow taller then some more lights >.<
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[Treez81]

U want to give them all the light possible. I have 40000 lumens going on three plants. U just need to make sure for now most of the light Is in the blue spectrum. For instance my setup is an 8 bulb t5 six of my bulbs r blue and two r red. Hang in there. It's a lot of fun. But mainly be patient and don't over love them.

[Mrbig1]

Ye well i was giving it to much light and stunting its growth so the forums says :D

[Mrbig1]

Alright noticed a little bit of discoloring on the bottom node of leafs . Some spots are yellow. but the edges of the 2 leafs are turning bright green these are the left and right leafs

I think it is from the little bit of Fert i gave it like 2-3 days ago but since then i haven't given it any and watering it every 3-4 days or 1-2 days depending on if it looks like alot of the water is gone since I'm using jiffy peat it sometimes drys fast and sometimes holds lots of water

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[Dexter007]

i usually use 100w 65k and 50w27k in total...
and 27k dont allways make the plant strecth but it will just slow everithing down and you have allmost 0% in rooth growth.and thats the hole point of vegging.
and going 24/7 is deffently not making thngs better. and if ya can buy the bulb ya cn deffently buy some cheap crappy timer.
grow the plant not torture it..

for you id would say that read the FAG..your missing way 2 many basic things.

[Treez81]

There is no such thing as too much light. Just too much heat from the light. More light = more bud. Like I said, I have 40000 lumens in eight square feet. U should really copy and paste the troubleshooting form so we can see each aspect of ur grow in order to help.

[Mrbig1]

But its not the heat that fan keeps the plant and the light cool the soil isn't even hot on top of the soil nor is the inside of the box or outside of the box warm

[Treez81]

I never said it was. I said u need to give it all the light u can and maintain the temperature. Please fill out the form. It will really help u more than u know

[WickedJack]

you need better cfl's use all 3 not just 1 & buy a timer set to 20/4

I would go with 3 55w 6400k if your sockets can handle them.

[Mrbig1]

Alright so i put back the other 2 lights but i raised them up like half a foot so that it can stretch some since nothing has gone wrong except that it is very short.

Thanks for all the advice :D

[Mrbig1]

Doing good i can tell it stretched more with the 2 lights off but i decided just to put the 3 in and raise it so it still gets lots of light but it has to stretch a little for it :D

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[Dexter007]

i m been keeping my eye on your thread eva sense ya started the thing and i can honestly say.that you dont learn at all.
you dont lissen or you listen but still do what YOU wanna do.
YOU never read any FAGs and you have prob 1.3%knowledge bout growing anithyng at all.
SPEND !HOUR IN GOOGLE AND STUDY AND FILL UP THIS FUCKING FORM>>>HOW MANY TIMES PEOPLE HAVE DA ASK THAT>FC YA PISSED ME OFF

[Treez81]

Haha. Yea I give up giving advise. I will continue to watch mearly for entertainment value or to see when or if he learns something. I have plants ten days old from seed with the same amount of leaf sets.

[Dexter007]

Haha. Yea I give up giving advise. I will continue to watch mearly for entertainment value or to see when or if he learns something. I have plants ten days old from seed with the same amount of leaf sets.

its gonna be one of these epic failures

[Mrbig1]

Alright so no thanks from these 2 assholes i decided to cut open the styro-foam cup to see if it was root bound and FUCKING SURPRISE it was 100% root bound and i just transplanted to a bigger container

[Mrbig1]

I love how people love to talk shit but dont help so sad to see what this world has come to

[Dexter007]

wht da fck yar calling me ya fcking fag ya.. i just said de way things are..ya dnt learn,ya dont wana learn so whats de problem here.i just said dat its gonna be a epic failure.ill make a bet with ya..if yar plant will grow well and buds are nice i apologise and if im right ill laugh my fcking head off

[Mrbig1]

Id just like you to stop posting on my threads since you dont help and ive seen that your a asshole who i want nothing to do with sir.

[Treez81]

If u want help then u need to fill out the troubleshooting form. Even if u do not think u have a problem, u could learn a lot from the questions it asks and I bet someone can find something u could be doing better. If not, then I suppose u dont want help. All in all I thought this board was here so we can all help each other with our medicine.

[Mrbig1]

Ye i know at least you told me to troubleshoot and i just found that sticky lol :D

do i post it here?

[Treez81]

Yes

[Mrbig1]

Also i messed up the time i started it only been like a week and a half since it sprouted so im not sure how longs its been root bound

[Mrbig1]

so its only been maybe 2 weeks since it sprouted and its been root bound :C hopefully it will do better. Also can you give me the link for the troubleshooting

[Treez81]

So what kind of plants r u growing? What dirt r u using? What nutes do u plan on using? What is ur in going ph and ur out going ph?

[Mrbig1]

Not sure got the seed from some good bud i think it might be indica but ill be able to tell when it gets bigger

was using jiffy seedling mix that was ph balanced and little nutrients.
Transplanted to regular no brand potting soil

I was planning on using MG that is very diluted so that i don't over fert it is 24-8-16 but i am not giving it yet.
Right now i am using Deerpark drinking water.

Haven't checked my ph yet but i can try not that its in the final soil.

[Treez81]

Ph is very important. And u might look into buying an expensive soil like ffof.

[Mrbig1]

Ye if i transplant again ill try to get a better soil also. Can i just test the water going into the plant, Then test the ph of the water that drained off?

[Treez81]

correct

[Mrbig1]

Cool :D

[Mrbig1]

Well my water is 5-6ph and after running through soil it is maybe 6-7ph. I have PH Up as well as PH Down for pool would that not work if the ph becomes a problem?

[RedHouseGreenRoof]

I am doing a first grow using cfls. I used the bright white for vegging like most people say. And i tried to get by with just 2 and a halogen. vegged fine. was growing like an inch every 2 days. tried to flower and they streched ridiculously. have been adding lights ever since. anything i could get my poor boy hands on has now turned into a light fixture. they were doing much better and started flowering. cute lil SSH buds! then bud growth had slowed down. so Im adding more lights. its like a cfl sun in there. Id like to thank the power co for supplying me with so many free cfls! these stretched tall and skinny. hopefully the WW i got vegging will be a lil better thanks to all the lights up already. gonna try and supercrop them as i topped this first batch but still lanky girls.

[Mrbig1]

Ye everything i read said that growing 100% with 2700k will cause major stretching and slow growth but its growing tons of leafs along with good root growth and its definitely not stretching but it is at like 2 weeks old maybe a little more and is starting to smell really dank lol and secondary growth is coming in

[Mrbig1]

So what looks like the problem for these leafs? feels like they are drying out but not sure
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[Mrbig1]

I think the curling of the leafs was because i moved the light to close so far no signs of its curling anymore since i moved the lights a little bit farther away moved it to a bigger box with more room

The secondary growth is coming in very fast. The foil isn't to reflect light to the plant but onto the container so that it heats up some since the soil was cold to the touch
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[Mrbig1]

Alright so i decided what the hell im growing with 2700k for veg i might as well try the yeast idea for CO2. So i mixed up 3/4 cup sugar with 1 packet of yeast in a water bottle with a hole in the top and a straw fit snug into with the straw like 1/4-1/2 inch above the top of the plant. Ill see if i get any MAJOR increase in growth maybe 2700k+CO2 is key for awesome veg :D

[Mrbig1]

Also its in a 1x1x1.5 box that is completely sealed and i shut off the vent fan for the co2 to hopefully build up around the plant if i see this works good enough i make a bigger mixture and whatnot

[WickedJack]

I thought CO2 was used mainly in the flower cycle..?

I wonder if this would help my 2 little seedlings that are all pissed off @ me..lol

[Mrbig1]

CO2 is good all round

I've read some things saying the amount the Yeast makes is way less than what your intake fan brings in but with a good enough yeast/sugar/water set up you might be able to make enough pure CO2 to see noticeable growth. Some say that with a small scale CO2 yeast generator you can get like 20-30ppm so 1-3 wouldn't hurt since average CO2 in the atmosphere is supposed to be 300ppm.

So if you can raise the CO2 ppm by like 100 for like $5 why not?

[Mrbig1]

Also if you try this try to keep the mixture away from the light. Here is the measurements 1L Water, 2 Cups Sugar, 1Tsp Baking soda, 1Tsp Yeast (i used 1 and 1/2) all into a 2L Soda bottle with a hole in the lid with a piece of tubing hanging over your plants since CO2 is heavier than air it will fall onto them. Just double for bigger containers And anyone who tells you this isn't worth doing is a complete and ignorant fool

[WickedJack]

Thanks Im going to try this today keepin my fingers crossed

[WickedJack]

Sweet its working already I put the end of the hose inside a small shot glass of water between the seedlings so I can see the bubbles

Peace

[WickedJack]

Hey I think we have the same problem..
I was stupid & took my seedlings out of the himid box too early..
WAY too early..
I put mine back into a aquarium got the humidity up to 65%
and along with the CO2 they are springing back to life ! :thumbsup:

What is your humidity inside your box..?
I bet it cant be that high made of cardboard..

You should put your plant in a big tupperware container made into a growbox kinda like the one you have now..

Peace

[Mrbig1]

Ye mine could use more humidity with CO2 humidity should be less than 50% but my plant is already way past the seedling stage and CO2 is better absorbed at high temperatures but then more CO2 is needed at those higher temps. Also i am vegging with 2700k lights for now which are doing the opposite of what everyone says 2700K does to vegging plants


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[WickedJack]

Maybe lining it with mylar or even tinfoil would help keep humidity in..?

[Mrbig1]

Are the emergency blankets made of Mylar?

Also once you know the CO2 is coming out you should let it fall onto the plants since some of the CO2 dissolves in water

Ghetto drawing for Ghetto setup
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[WickedJack]

Yes their mylar

I took your advice & lifted the tube above the plants :thumbsup:

I cant believe the difference from this morning
I figured they were dead..lol

Still a bit droopy but Im sure a day or 2 they'll be back growing :)

[Mrbig1]

Well any amount of co2 is good at sea level it is 300ppm in the air but i live at like 1,800 elevation plus the plant is in a box in a closet so i doesn't get much CO2 going in and out so any extra will help.

Conservatively id would say that 1-2 2L bottles will raise co2 by at least 10-30% depending on how good the yeast grows which could mean life or death for sick plants

[Mrbig1]

Added another one that just sits next to the plant with a tube sticking straight up so the co2 fills up the whole container while the First one lets the co2 fall straight onto the plant

[Mrbig1]

Also i turn on the exhaust fan on every couple of hours to get the oxygen back out

[Mrbig1]

Also added a piece of Mylar to one of the sides just for now i have like a 10x5 sheet but its kind of hard to cut lol

[WickedJack]

lol in the "old days" a bud of mine would always steal my old dutch potato chip bags I had no clue wtf he was using them for until I finally figure it out..lol

He used them to line the inside of his grow boxes not many people know but they were also made of Mylar also

How hot does it get in the box only turning it on every couple hours I'd think would get too hot in there

The box I made is 18Dx22Wx33H I have 1 55W CFL thats hanging & adjustable and 1 120mm PC fan in the top corner & a smaller 3" hole in opposite bottom corner & I'd have to have the fan on the entire time to keep it @ 77*
I lined mine with tinfoil but doubt I'll use it the closet its in is perfect for what I want anyhow

My babies now are about the same age as yours were when you started this post..
If mine are the same size as yours in 2 weeks I'll be happy..lol

[Mrbig1]

Moved the light a little bit farther away and got me a mister bottle since the 2 oldest set of leaves are really thin and papery but that is about it no browning no discoloring just really thin and paper like leaves so hopefully with a little liquid encouragement they will plump up since the soil is nicely moist just the oldest leaves are being kinda lame

[WickedJack]

Yep mist inside there a few times a day the cardboard will suck most of it in & hopefully keep the humidity up to where you want it.. :thumbsup:

[Mrbig1]

Been misting with a very reduced MG mist just to let it absorb some Nitrogen. Also mixed up a bottle of Fish emulsion 5-1-1 and some Molasses as a quick treat since fish emulsion gives a rapid release of Nitrogen but is Organic and shouldn't give the plant nute burn or anything plus fish emulsion has the same micro-organism property's as molasses. Ill also be getting more seeds from a buddy in the next 1-2 days

[Mrbig1]

So the guy who is getting me the seeds has a 65w 6400k clamp grow light tucked somewhere that he said he would bring up with the seeds

[SmokeMyPiece]

Dude, I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself. Especially being one of your first grows.

I just went thru this thread and im not surprised.. You're getting all kinds of contradicting information.. most of which is from another beginner...

Keep it as simple as possible:
1) LIGHTS
2) SOIL/NUTES
3) VENTILATION

Thats it.

A weed plant can get by the first 5,6 sometimes 7 nodes on merely 1/2 strength of a cheap root stimulator nute: ie. Schultz Starter Plus (5-10-5).

Just some Ideas:
- Flat white spray paint = 1$ (No foil, no mylar)
- 2 max CFLs until bigger
- That bottle's dents are gonna make it hard to transplant. Also, roots dont like light = wrap the soil part of the bottle in black tape
- Is fan exhausting? if so, a simple extra hole can then act as the passive air intake.

[Mrbig1]

Ye I'm germinating 4 more only expecting 2-3 to germ tho and i'm just gonna go super basic and not mess with them as much i will try to do what you say :D


I just get to where i know what i need to do but it doesn't go as fast as you expect it to but that is one of the things I'm working on more patience >.< i just need to germ put in pots and let them grow >.<

Plus i have and have read 10+ books on growing marijuana so i know everything there is to know about growing but sometimes you have to ask others for help on things you don't get since reading and growing is totally different :D

[SmokeMyPiece]

I just get to where i know what i need to do but it doesn't go as fast as you expect it to but that is one of the things I'm working on more patience >.< i just need to germ put in pots and let them grow >.<

Thats exactly it. I also did this recently when i went back to soil; Fed it week 2 formula way early..
-Now I start em in peat pellets until 2nd or 3rd node(water only).
-Then Transplant to party cup with a 1/2 str Root Nute and itl go until 6 or 7 nodes easily.
-Then Feed 1/2 str Nute mix for the first week formula(or you can stay with the root nute another week if it has healthy growth) every other watering and ur good.

[Mrbig1]

Ye i think my only problem was i am using 2700k once i get some 6400k i think everything will be fine plus i follow your steps for the next set :D

[gaaguirre]

It's like watching your baby grow.

[Treez81]

U can try to help Mr big but he won't listen. Let him believe he needs to mist his f'n plants. Let him believe there is a such thing as too much light. It's fun to watch.