started a new grow what would be a good way to get nitrogen in the soil ???

[attemptmischief]

i need to know if bone meal would be good for a indoor grow,,to keep my nitrogen levels up and what should i use to boost the flowering stage..

[WashougalWonder]

Well, isn't that simple and with the question you show your lack of education in the entire field. There are many threads on this site you need to research on. Not just for this question but for the entire experience of growing your own medicine.

Cannabis needs little N to grow like a weed. ;) In fact, I see N burn often.

So my suggestion if you want to supply N, is use a good potting soil mix WITHOUT any added nutes. My choice is Fox Farms, Ocean Forest from seedling to finish. I never, ever give N, rarely give more than molasses and if I do I have a specific reason for giving it, know exactly how much to give over the course of a grow and how to get rid of any excess there may be to affect the taste. If you really MUST then give dry bat guano sparingly.

The above paragraph has answers all over this site to the intense statement I made. So do not be afraid to ask questions, and some folks may jump on you in the beginning, as I almost did. I wanted to grab you by the Uhm's and get you on the right track right away.

Become familiar with the troubleshooting form. Ask questions why we might want to know certain info. Enjoy your educational experience.
WW

[attemptmischief]

274456i been reading learning slowly soaking all the information up i dont work so im at this 24 hrs a day ..some one mentioned that i might need potash ,,i mixed in blood meal ,,but i will look in to the right soil next time i was hearing good about fox farm ,,i dont have a clue what im doing but im trying i just got the ph tester yesterday i was mixing up water at the right ph level ,,the only problem i got is the yellow leaves just on the bottom i need to fix that 1 problem im learning slowly im making my mistakes and correcting them ty for your help,,im wondering bout pruning right now removing the yellow leaves ,,

[WashougalWonder]

Stop worrying about the yellow leaves on the bottom. Please fill out a troubleshooting form. Soil types make a huge difference. For example Miracle Grow has automatically releasing nutes and can over fertilize simply by watering. Your plant looks healthy to me in the picture. DO NOT JUST WANTONLY THROW NUTES at your plant. I virtually give no nutes using fox farms ocean forest. The form is in my sig.

[platii]

I do like what WW said. Get education and research more for the proplem you are facing.
especially as nutes are concern because u can easily burn your plant.
my opinion is:
AS long as you have a proplem with only lower leaves and the most of the plant like 90% are green and healthy I suggest that u go on without messing up with nutes. " I can see some of the top leaves are fading on the green color so I think u need to add some nutes".
Usually yellowing lower leaves means that you are lacking of nutes which mean the the 3 main elements N-P-K plus MG not only nitrogen. so I think you need to repot with fresh soil because your soil is losing its
There is something u need to pay attention to which is that u r washing off nutes of the soil as u water the plants , in general the nutes in the soil will last between 2 up to 4 weeks.
So you need to repot with fresh same soil and see if the plant recovered and got greener better than adding nutes that might get you in trouble if you didnt get the right amount and mix.
Tip:
usually soil manufacturer set their soil to 5.5ph-6.0ph assuming that your water will be 7.0ph so when you add the water it will balance to the ideal range 6.2-6.8.
here a pic for a figure that mightg help you diagnose symptoms.

[WashougalWonder]

Platii,
Hi welcome to the forum. I have a little bit of disagreement with some of what you advised.

Usually yellowing lower leaves means that you are lacking of nutes which mean the the 3 main elements N-P-K plus MG not only nitrogen. so I think you need to repot with fresh soil because your soil is losing its ( I will assume you mean buffers)
It could also mean over watering. It could mean many things actually that is why I want the form filled out. We use the hell out of that form here.

There is something u need to pay attention to which is that u r washing off nutes of the soil as u water the plants , in general the nutes in the soil will last between 2 up to 4 weeks. IF he is over watering. The plant will take 6 weeks to use up what goodies the soil has if you don't over water and wash them all out. Cannabis does not like sopping wet soil at any time unless outdoors in real nature.

I find most problems are created with adding nutes.

[platii]

Thank you WW.
WW ur more than welcome to correct me and clear things for the benefit of the thread owner, this way we all learn new things or remeber something that was not on our minds. I am still a beginner too.

ok back to the subject: u r totally right, it could be many things. plus I didnt ask him how often he water the plants. ( i just assumed he already knows that over watering can kill the plant).
I agree with u against adding nutes, thats why I advised him to repot with fresh soil and see if the plants recovered to determine the plant is messing nute rather than adding nutes and burn it. Also repotting assuming the ph is balanced and that will delete the ph imbalance factor that may lock the nutes and the plant is starving. So one action hits 2 major proplem for growing canny.
good luck attempt and lets know
plz fill the form for proper diagnosis.

[attemptmischief]

yeah im going over the form in my head ,,im going to fill it out ,,i transplanted to day and moved two futher up in the food chain of buckets ,,transplanting is some thing of a nightmare ,,first time i ever did that and i learned alot of hard lessons i am using potting soil and and adjusting every ph balance before i water in the begginging i was over watering im thinking of using a miracle grow /potting soil mix next time im pretty sure i needed nutes but not no much im going to adjust my water and wait and see if it gets worse i might sprinkle some of this blue stuff my florist gave me in the water he said a tea spoon i'll use a16 th of that and wait and see it looks like blue crystals he said its micro nutrients and stuff,,tea spoon per gallon ,,..im going to mix just a pinch in the water and see,,thank you so much for your help what ever the yellow is from its not too bad the top is all green but does look light some places ,,i got my next two plants coming up behind that one this is my new hobbie..oh i did add some blood meal in a wile back thats before i heard its for out door use ,,i wonder if my plant can even use it..

[attemptmischief]

274588i love the chart going to pick that apart and break it down ,,thank you ,,i have this one for ph and 2 for light spectrums

[WashougalWonder]

Thank you WW.
WW ur more than welcome to correct me and clear things for the benefit of the thread owner, this way we all learn new things or remeber something that was not on our minds. I am still a beginner too.

ok back to the subject: u r totally right, it could be many things. plus I didnt ask him how often he water the plants. ( i just assumed he already knows that over watering can kill the plant).
I agree with u against adding nutes, thats why I advised him to repot with fresh soil and see if the plants recovered to determine the plant is messing nute rather than adding nutes and burn it. Also repotting assuming the ph is balanced and that will delete the ph imbalance factor that may lock the nutes and the plant is starving. So one action hits 2 major proplem for growing canny.
good luck attempt and lets know
plz fill the form for proper diagnosis.

Agreed, but we know not what kind of soil and if it has added nutes.

[WashougalWonder]

yeah im going over the form in my head ,,im going to fill it out ,,i transplanted to day and moved two futher up in the food chain of buckets ,,transplanting is some thing of a nightmare ,,first time i ever did that and i learned alot of hard lessons i am using potting soil and and adjusting every ph balance before i water in the begginging i was over watering im thinking of using a miracle grow /potting soil mix next time im pretty sure i needed nutes but not no much im going to adjust my water and wait and see if it gets worse i might sprinkle some of this blue stuff my florist gave me in the water he said a tea spoon i'll use a16 th of that and wait and see it looks like blue crystals he said its micro nutrients and stuff,,tea spoon per gallon ,,..im going to mix just a pinch in the water and see,,thank you so much for your help what ever the yellow is from its not too bad the top is all green but does look light some places ,,i got my next two plants coming up behind that one this is my new hobbie..oh i did add some blood meal in a wile back thats before i heard its for out door use ,,i wonder if my plant can even use it..

MG soil has nutes in it and any time you water you release nutes, too many for most grows. Caution on watering.

[WashougalWonder]

Mischief - you take the time to post a chart but not the troubleshooting form. I wash my hands. Do it yourself, it has been 3 days.

[attemptmischief]

the form would be so out of wack its hard finding free time to be honest i transplanted my plant and made a mess trying to recover ..your beyond wise in the movement,,i will answer all the questions as soon as i figure out what im actually doing this is my first time my transplanted plant is coming back to life i was scared i killed it ,,still a lil droopy ..i know for next time its border line impossible to get it out if the bucket thats not flexible i spent the entire aternoon cursing yesterday,,im using 5 lights all different ..this is so ghetto you might wash ur hands of me regardless but it is working i got 2 grow lights and a spot light from the back yard lmao,,but the plant stretches to it ,it likes it i swear im off to smoke my morning bowl ,,and plead with you give me till tonight and i will have a copy of it ,pls have patience with me ,,i need your wisdom and thank you for any one else who posted i apreciate every idea thrown at me ,and strive to keep the trees alive moving out west to do this legally ,,i have to hop around from wifi to post here ,,i wont get on my internet ..

[mrorganics]

ok about the lights get the spot light out of there as far as spectrum goes there pointless if you have florecent keep useing those at least they have a full spectrum just cuz there is MORE light with all the lights it doesnt mean the light is good and USEABLE,im glad to hear you transplanted but alil bumed that you would choose a soil with a fert in it and ontop of that its high in P not nitrogen usually but itll have to do like mm sad be carfull watering!!!water every 3 to 4 days if your soil will stay moist,I messed up some plants bad useing an organic soil with fert allready in it a few years back so b carefull......

[CanGroIt]

" and strive to keep the trees alive moving out west to do this legally ,,i have to hop around from wifi to post here "


Good Luck!!!!


CanGroIt::::::

[attemptmischief]

What is your experience level? (first time ever )

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. florescent 1 plant and aquarium f15(15w) 510 lumens,1 phillips 15 watt cool,both 18 next to each other ( i know they suck im broke )sun light lamp lights of america 9024b 27 watt fml27EXD florescent (sun ligght )glows blueish plants love it i keep it close with in 3 inches all florescent lights i cant feel no heat on the plant the next 3 lamps are a revel full spectrum 65w 120 v screw in light not sure what to call it its from GE said full spectrum i threw it in about 8 inches away its not that hot no heat reflects to the plant exsesive the next light is a flood loght i found in my fathers garage after reading about light spectrums and how plants respond and some of those lights are known to give off blue light i threw it in but it glows yellow so im assuming its closer to the red side of the spectrum150w 120 v GE hot as hell i keep it far about a foot away the other light is a plant gro n show120v120w GE wow i never inventorryied the stuff before bout to buy stock in GE lol,,,well all together it works i would love a better sugestion ..i'll save my $$
.2) Distance from tops? florescents 3" inches high and off on a slight angle the hot bulbs i keep about a foot away i've taken up the idea from the photo tron and surounded my plants with light till i could afford better to suround it in an enslosed tent ..
.3) Reflector type? in fixtures with the typical half circle directional shade and drop light fashion for heavy 120 and 150 watt monsters ..
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply,? lol its sitting on this womans kitchen table waiting for a tent to be made or built around it if i open the door yes lmao,,she smokes though
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?no i dont i open the door slightly but i will have a fan blowing fresh air in eventually im gonna take pics ..
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?all together ? wow 24 hrs pretty much i was letting them rest on the third day ,,till i was told make a dark period so i am listening ,,,for the first few weeks i will leave the seedlings under 24 hr floresent light when the second set of 5 leaves pops out i will relocate them to a cycled room 4 dark 20 light then to my second stage room witch will be 6 dark ..my vision .

.7)fat fard f 15 canadian sphagnum peat perlite 85% organic choice blood meal tlb spoon every square foot,,12-0-0 water insoluble nitrogen 12%

.8) Size of container.5 gallon bucket
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings?germinated seeds,

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting?tap high 7's
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)ace pool tests ph one one side chlorine on the other..
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)apple cider vinegar,,for down a nd baking soda forup witch i got yet to use
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. blue crystals i need to find out more about them i baley use them they disolve in water..not sure how it will throw off the ph???
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?alot
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)what do u recomend and what do they do,,but from reading the calcium mag is some thing i m going to look in to...
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?i make em stable but they fluctuate from the tap always high....
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? i try for 6.5 to 7 i guess
18) Do you foliar feed?no just wast spritz if it looks dry If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?not often if at all

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors?indoors
20) What size of closet, room or hut?room
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?lights on 95 lights off 65 70 temp taken under the lights ...
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?no

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)good question
24) From seeds or clones?from seeds
25) Is this an autoflower strain? i hope not im looking for a mother for my clones ..274611274612274613274614
my set up is is a slap together but it seems to be working and im always looking for more ideas to add in

[attemptmischief]

274616im smoking all the evidence ,,and eating the plants left over ,..

[platii]

from research experience miracle grow not a good choice especially for beginners. Foxfarm ocean forest is the winning choice by many article I have read so far. Miracle grow cause lots of troubles to grower especially cannabis grower , I am not sure if it is any good for other plant. In fact I have never seen anyone recommend miracle grow in the cannabis forum I have visited. May be because its nutrients system that it has and the way it releases them.
Another thing I want to get attention to is that as basic set ups for your grow is to consider good light as MH= metal halide or as cheaper CFL will still do the job but may be you need more than one bulb, see if you have good enough light your plant would have recovered faster. last thing u must have is a fan for air circulation.

[attemptmischief]

i used potting soil ,,never used miracle grow ,,im happy i avoided it,, my ph was high i think it locked out some of my nutes ,,sorry i did not get the form in quicker it was asking questions i could not answer i took the time and found the answers i do have more than one bulb got 6 actually looking to get a good 2 ft florescent,,and bought a small fan to bounce air off the walls thank you for the help

[mrorganics]

yes I agree with platii 100% a fan is just as important as the light and nutes as soon as my seeds sprout i have a fan blowing them 24 hours a day this makes the stalks very strong check out my gro log and youll c what i mean so get that fan going man nothing worse than bad air flow around plants. Hot spots acure without air flow plus the fan also brings new co2 to your garden wich is very important, if you dont have enough money for bigger lights go to your local fish store(aquarium) and pic up a couple 3 foot florecent bulbs most of them carry about 30,000 lumans and at 12 bucks u cant beat it for the money a step up from that is the 125 watt florecents that you can pic up at home depot there great for beginers on a budget around 50 bucks there....

[platii]

i just saw your reply,,
is the pictures after replanting.
the plants looks fine from this angel but needs to see the top angel of most ofthe plant to see the leaves conditions.

[CanGroIt]

Nevermind luck, you're going to need a miracle...... Your answers on the troubleshooting form shows your lack of knowledge and preparedness for indoor growing. I'd love to help you, I really would, but if I did, I'd feel like I was doing all the thinking for you.

Read the threads here-------> Grow FAQs (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/). After you read every one of them two or three times, you will not only have a better understanding of this precious plant species, you will also understand everything you are doing wrong......

Best to you....

CanGroIt::::::

Note: Great job:thumbsup:posting a pic of half your face along with the admittance of the illegality of what you are trying to do:thumbsup:

[attemptmischief]

thank you for the sugestions im starting over ,,