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alfonso2002
12-18-2010, 02:05 AM
New Mexico OKs fees for medical marijuana program - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-17/new-mexico-oks-fees-for-medical-marijuana-program.html)

xsnoder
12-18-2010, 10:30 AM
That seems to be good news:greenthumb:

alfonso2002
12-18-2010, 04:49 PM
1. Patients with Personal Production Licenses can now have all 16 plants at max size - no more height or width rules. Mature Plants are now defined as plants in flower and seedlings are whatever is not in flower. Veg Big - Harvest Big. Oh Yeah!

2. Producers can exchange medicine between them to make patient access and delivery easier
3.LNPPs can now have 150 plants! More plants = more medicine
4. DoH will license 8 more producers by Dec. 31 to bring the total to 25. More Producers = more Medicine = more competition for quality and price.
5.Producers will now pay an annual renewal fee to support the program:
$10,000 first year renewal, $20,000 second year renewal, $30,000 third year renewal. The Guild Members have committed to not passing this cost on to Patients

MimbresValley
12-18-2010, 07:13 PM
wow alfonso!!!
WOW!
If thats the case I am amazed!

I am so happy everyone took time to write and contact the DOH to ask for larger plant numbers!

BuddingHopeNM
12-18-2010, 09:32 PM
I never doubted the DOH. Since July, I have found no reason to doubt the resolve of the folks up there. Good work to everyone involved with a voice and reason.

MadSativa
12-18-2010, 10:44 PM
1. Patients with Personal Production Licenses can now have all 16 plants at max size - no more height or width rules. Mature Plants are now defined as plants in flower and seedlings are whatever is not in flower. Veg Big - Harvest Big. Oh Yeah!

2. Producers can exchange medicine between them to make patient access and delivery easier
3.LNPPs can now have 150 plants! More plants = more medicine
4. DoH will license 8 more producers by Dec. 31 to bring the total to 25. More Producers = more Medicine = more competition for quality and price.
5.Producers will now pay an annual renewal fee to support the program:
$10,000 first year renewal, $20,000 second year renewal, $30,000 third year renewal. The Guild Members have committed to not passing this cost on to Patients

that sounds great, how many OZ.s can a person have? did the 6oz. non-sense go up as well? 16 plants is enough for 2 pounds per 1000W light in a 6x5 space. every 2-3 months, even for the novice grower that cant clone or implement cannopee management, can now get over a pound easily.

alfonso2002
12-18-2010, 11:04 PM
No it is the same

MadSativa
12-19-2010, 07:38 PM
oh well time for concentrates then right. no need for bud when you got concentrates. 2 lbs of bud will make about 6oz. of oil or bubble. mabey a little more, but some heavey smokin before harvesting more like harvest parties or patient days at alfonsos house lol. that will keep you in the 6 oz. mark, just as long as harvested no more than 6 oz right. such a bad rule they made, it is like they pulled it out of the air or sumthing. more like pulled it out of some propagandaists butt.

alfonso2002
12-20-2010, 03:14 AM
LOL you are MadSativa. But yea those rules are wrong 6oz.s is too low when you do harvest. I guess I'll have to make a trip to the police department LOLLOLLOL. I have to find ways to make concentrates .

ScaredasHell
12-20-2010, 06:28 PM
Anyone have a link to these new regulations? 'Cause I just came from the DOH's website, and did not see them there. (P.S. I was one who wrote in asking them to increase the ppl plant #s, and other stuff). I had already heard the 95-150 change for licensed producers, but not the rest. Please post a link - this could change my future plans immediately!

Scared

MimbresValley
12-20-2010, 06:43 PM
State revises regs on medical marijuana | New Mexico Business Weekly (http://www.bizjournals.com/albuquerque/news/2010/12/17/state-revises-regs-on-medical-marijuana.html)
" The department has also removed size requirements from its definition of mature plants and size limits from the definition of a seedling. "

P.S.
I know of at least 75people who wrote in. :stoned: I don't think it was Just you.:jointsmile::D

ScaredasHell
12-20-2010, 07:38 PM
Well, great - BUT, I see no reference to Alfonso's 1st claim - that those with ppls are now allowed 16 plants, with no size restrictions. THis was what caught my eye. So it it true????????????

ScaredasHell
12-20-2010, 07:40 PM
Because I think a more accurate statement might be that you can have 12 seedlings as large as you want BUT once you sex them, you're still allowed only 4 flowering plants. Am I missing something, here?

MimbresValley
12-20-2010, 08:52 PM
when I read Alfonso statement it reads the same as the newspaper article, that there are no longer plant size restrictions.

Which means you no longer have to veg your babies, you can always have babies vegging, and ready to go(large girls). put everything on a staggered harvest and you could harvest every 2 or 3 weeks.

we have always been allowed 16 plants, but before there was size restrictions on the 12 immature plants.

ScaredasHell
12-20-2010, 09:27 PM
Not to nitpick - but nowhere in the Bloomberg article do I see any reference to "plant SIZE." Numbers, yes. But, I relaize the DOH did recently do away with the ridiculous 1' "seedling" definition. However, while I think the "staggered harvest" is a good idea, I don't think 16 giant female trees would be OK'd, by LEOs OR the DOH doing an inspection (if they ever actually do one).

Scared

MimbresValley
12-20-2010, 10:27 PM
LMAO your kidding right?! You ask if anyone has a link, I posted up the link.

Now Im wondering did you even read the article I posted up that you asked for?

Its plainly stated in the 6th paragraph, ( Which I quoted it for you in my original link, like 5 posts back.)

.:wtf:
"The department has also removed size requirements from its definition of mature plants and size limits from the definition of a seedling"

alfonso2002
12-20-2010, 10:59 PM
Not to nitpick - but nowhere in the Bloomberg article do I see any reference to "plant SIZE." Numbers, yes. But, I relaize the DOH did recently do away with the ridiculous 1' "seedling" definition. However, while I think the "staggered harvest" is a good idea, I don't think 16 giant female trees would be OK'd, by LEOs OR the DOH doing an inspection (if they ever actually do one).

Scared

I see you are having a problem comprehending what I stated.What I said is that now you can have all 16 plants at max size - no more height or width rules. You can only have 4 in flower at any given time. but if you have a 6' tree ready to flower instead or a 12" baby do you understand now?

MadSativa
12-21-2010, 01:54 AM
nice no restrictions on plant size is a start, scared got confused caseu I said 17 flowering, but I read the aticle 4 flowering, but means you can grow trees and have clones in tree development.

a cheep way to make concentrates alfonso is to buy a bubble bag set from ebay, as long as you have a cake mixer and some 1 or 5 gallon buckets your set. you can do it with some panti hose and a ice if that s all you got , but for medical quality a 5 gallon bubble bag set (might not be bubble bag brand, but thats not important) is best, and for about 50 bucks it is a good investment. this is for the 5 gallon 3 bag kit, 220mu and 90 mu and 25 mu, more bags is better but for starters it is what you want if you got the cash a 5 bag set will et you pick to see wich is preimum bubble, and then you can have conosure bubble


once you have the bags then its all a matter of ice and buds, if you have the cash a icolator washing machine is the best; then you dont need to stand theri with the mixer for 15 minutes at a time, its tottaly automated.

if you want oil the oil extractors can be made for cheep out of pvc. but for 50 bucks okief oil extractors has a good kit, but you need highly refined butan for that, and that is expensive, if you buy in bulk you can get 5 times refined for about 5-7 doallrs a can, which is good caseu 2 cans can run about 1oz, but you see how that can add up. not to mentiion you have to buy in bulk, and bulk means about 500 bucks for a crapload of butane, that will last all year or years. it is nice though, but for smoking bubble is supreem

alfonso2002
12-21-2010, 02:38 AM
Thanks for that info MadSativa P.S. dam those bubble bag sets are not cheap

MadSativa
12-21-2010, 02:45 AM
theri not too bad, they used to be worse like 5 years ago when I got mine a 1 gallon 5 bag set was like 200, hers a couple 5 gallon 5 bag sets for uder 50

NEW 5 GALLON BUBBLE BAGS 5 BAG ICE EXTRACTION HERB WINE - eBay (item 250742641904 end time Dec-20-10 19:36:00 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-5-GALLON-BUBBLE-BAGS-5-BAG-ICE-EXTRACTION-HERB-WINE-/250742641904?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a616d14f0)

5 GALLON 5 BAG HERBAL EXTRACTS BUBBLE HASH ICE BAGS KIT - eBay (item 280605906007 end time Dec-25-10 16:43:51 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/5-GALLON-5-BAG-HERBAL-EXTRACTS-BUBBLE-HASH-ICE-BAGS-KIT-/280605906007?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41556a5457)

alfonso2002
12-21-2010, 02:55 AM
theri not too bad, they used to be worse like 5 years ago when I got mine a 1 gallon 5 bag set was like 200, hers a couple 5 gallon 5 bag sets for uder 50

NEW 5 GALLON BUBBLE BAGS 5 BAG ICE EXTRACTION HERB WINE - eBay (item 250742641904 end time Dec-20-10 19:36:00 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-5-GALLON-BUBBLE-BAGS-5-BAG-ICE-EXTRACTION-HERB-WINE-/250742641904?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a616d14f0)

5 GALLON 5 BAG HERBAL EXTRACTS BUBBLE HASH ICE BAGS KIT - eBay (item 280605906007 end time Dec-25-10 16:43:51 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/5-GALLON-5-BAG-HERBAL-EXTRACTS-BUBBLE-HASH-ICE-BAGS-KIT-/280605906007?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41556a5457)

Thanks for the links I had checked ebay and the page it put up they were all in the 160-200 range for the 5 bag P.S. I also know you get what you pay for most of the time

MadSativa
12-21-2010, 03:24 AM
Thanks for the links I had checked ebay and the page it put up they were all in the 160-200 range for the 5 bag P.S. I also know you get what you pay for most of the time

yeah ebay trying to rip us off lol usualy that strue ont he get what you pay for, but you can get the real nice stuff when you knwo what the best stuff is, I hear that bubble bag is the best, but I have bubble bag and I have seen way better, such as soem of the stuff sold at aqua lab technologies, they even have buckets now not bags, they have some that are in a primid funnel type shape, all of these are expensive but cheeper then the bubble bag.

ScaredasHell
12-21-2010, 09:40 PM
Buy the real thing here: The Highest Quality Plant Essence Extractors in the World - BubbleBag.com (http://www.bubblebag.com/)

Mine lasted at least 5 yrs, then I had to replace the 220 mu bag ($40), after it began falling apart.

Best tip: Use a paint-mixing attachment on a power drill, as opposed to a hand-blender.

Also, I think putting the 220 bag thru the washing machine shortened its life.

ScaredasHell
12-21-2010, 10:12 PM
And, FWIW, Alfonso, I think you made things unclear by stating "Patients with Personal Production Licenses can now have all 16 plants at max size," because this would be rather stupid, having all 16 in veg. mode, leaving nothing in flowering.

alfonso2002
12-21-2010, 10:33 PM
I did not state what state the plants were in I stated size of plants I would hope that if you are growing you would know that you can only have 4 in flower. but no big deal just now you can have your veging plants at 6' before you change to 12 12

ScaredasHell
12-21-2010, 10:46 PM
Or taller, depending on yor ceiling height!!!!!! Also, I just obtained the "ebb-monster" system it is fantastic, with 5 gal. growing containers - I once had an 11-oz plant in a 2 gal. bucket (my all-time record), imagine the possibilities, now. Thinking - do I really need that ceiling????????:rastasmoke:

alfonso2002
12-21-2010, 10:48 PM
LOL

xsnoder
12-22-2010, 10:00 AM
now you can have your veging plants at 6' before you change to 12 12

Life saver right there.

NMPatient
12-22-2010, 04:44 PM
I know this is a little bit off topic, but oil was mentioned earlier in this thread. This is an extremely dangerous process and PVC should not be used. PVC rates a C on chemical compatibility with butane. There is a chance of the pvc leaching toxins, butane is corrosive. Only pure 5x or more N-butane should be used, colibri etc. Use glass or stainless steel, and do it outside. Be safe and please do your research.
I do not personally like honey oil due to the process. There are a lot of variables that can be overlooked that could have negative effects on the final product. Ice, water, or bubble hash is the cleanest way to go imho.

Sorry to get off topic, just looking out for safety.

alfonso2002
12-22-2010, 05:32 PM
Thanks for that input Erica I ordered a 2" X 6" stainless steel honey deal found 5X refined butane at local smoke shop at 5.55 a bottle so going to give it a shot and try this out.I also want to get a bubble bag set up and try that but will have to wait till after christmas. Have to find ways to stay within the law. btw have you guys come up with what strains will be used? They did it!!!!

Mudd66
12-25-2010, 07:09 AM
I'm Really at a loss for words here but how does Booyah sound LMAO !!!!!

Mudd,

alfonso2002
12-25-2010, 04:17 PM
sounds good to me