My clone is dry and looks odd, plus lost its smell?

[LetsSeeYa]

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...) novice

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)CFL'S
.2) Distance from tops?Hand method, or 2-4'' .
3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)Hook light w/ 426wat cfl's
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?Yea
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?no exhaust
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?4 26 watters 24/0 light cycleYour medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)Garden Magic from nursery
.8) Size of container.3 liter
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings?
No, taken from outside before flowering started
Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's Ph before adjusting?Tap 7.2
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)ph pen
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)Nutes knock it down to 6.7
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.6-4-4 Fox Farm GROW BIG. I water when needed and alternate ferts. 2 tsp per gal.
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?About every other day, depends on pot weight. Water till run off/B]
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)[B]Nope
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?Stays at around 6.7-6.8
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph?6.7. not sure
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?No

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors?Indoors
20) What size of closet, room or hut?8'x3' under stairway
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?Not sure, i re-potted 3 weeks ago and in the middle of moving room to new location. So im only trying to keep her alive an put some size on her for when new set up is finished
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?Non

Your strain: NL#5 Clone
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)Sativa
24) From seeds or clones?Clone
25) Is this an autoflower strain?No

I had this clone by my bed under a cfl to baby it with sun through the day and cfl at night to also get it rooted well. Since iv moved it under more light and a re pot the smell is gone and the leaves feel dry? When it was up here you only need to be near it and you could catch the sweet smell from it, but nothing now? Iv never seen or read about what could be the issue. My grow room is half there as im moving it, thats why its on 24/0 and my thermometer isn't there. Its pretty stable environment from the time i used the space, so temps should be ok and i have a fan moving air. But if i would guess, id think i am cooking it, but if anything the light is to far away as you can see its stretching now. But will get a reading on the temps when i can, its in a place i cant get to, but not for long:cool:as the room is moving to a place i can use.

If anyone has an idea, i sure would appreciate the help. I didn't get any of this outside and is my favorite strain to smoke so far at least. The stuff is so sweet. After looking at Canni's Scrog, i am thinking about using the method. Im just thinking il get a better yield. And i could burn this all day. Bla Bla Bla, sorry:wtf:

You can see the white looking appearance in between the veins of the leaves. Also there is a new branch with its newly grown foliage just dried up and crisp.:wtf:



Thanks again:rasta:

[headshake]

what do the roots look like LSY? when did you last transplant?

-shake

[canniwhatsis]

Gads bro! :eek:

When you said you were trying to keep a clone alive I didn't think it was that bad! She looks pretty ruff,

Could be over feeding causing lockout?

Also might try and lower the PH a little more. I try to keep my inbound around 6.0-6.2 as soil (Specially fresh soil) buffers the PH up.

She seems a bit big to be kept under 4 CFL's, try and get that new room up and running ASAP!

[LetsSeeYa]

what do the roots look like LSY? when did you last transplant?

-shake

You know when i transplanted i didn't want to brake up the soil, but i didn't see any roots sticking out to its old pot. Had it been a established plant i might have broke it up, but this was my first clone attempt, with this one being the only one that made it, i didn't want to risk anything. I figured the plant was growing, so i have roots supporting the plant? And the way it wiggled i could tell the roots were not plentiful. But i was getting new growth and thought the roots would catch up. It had small worms under the leaves, but thought i got rid of them. They were small white caterpillars, they look like. I had it close and watched it grow, so i just removed them as i saw them. I also hit it with some stuff i used outside for bug control, just in case there might have been eggs in the soil. But im sure it did start up here, but now that its 5x bigger, its much worse. I didn't see the bugs on it today as it was the first thing i thought of. The leaves feel dry to the touch, but im still getting new growth, you think i just dont have the roots to support the plant? Maybe the new growth is living off the older foliage? Just a stab in the dark ideas:wtf:



Thanks for stopping man:rasta:

[headshake]

when did you transplant? she's definitely stressed. see all the odd growth uptop?

what's the makeup of the soil?


-shake

[LetsSeeYa]

when did you transplant? she's definitely stressed. see all the odd growth uptop?

what's the makeup of the soil?


-shake

Well that growth could be from the fact that its a clone from a re vegged plant. My bad. So the plant is close to a year old, at least the mother was. Not sure it mattered or not. And its growth is similar to the mother, which was killed by the virus, well and me running over it many times, lol. Its about 50-50 good potting soil with perlite i got at my nursery. 5 bucks for 5 gallons of perlite, iv been using it a lot after my seeds almost drowned.

I transplanted about 2.5-3 weeks ago.



:rasta:

[headshake]

how big was it when you started re-vegging it? a virus killed the previous version of this plant? it looks like it was producing 5 bladed leaves before.


-shake

[LetsSeeYa]

Gads bro! :eek:

When you said you were trying to keep a clone alive I didn't think it was that bad! She looks pretty ruff,

Could be over feeding causing lockout?

Also might try and lower the PH a little more. I try to keep my inbound around 6.0-6.2 as soil (Specially fresh soil) buffers the PH up.

She seems a bit big to be kept under 4 CFL's, try and get that new room up and running ASAP!

Hey Canni, oh yeah, thats what i said im trying to keep my first ever clone alive. I only started 2 tbs per gallon. When i had it bed side, i fed only 1/2 tbs then to 1 and today 2 tbs per feeding. About every 3 days and if anything it might run dry more so then an over water. Could be a contributer to the problem. Iv seen a lotta people use dooms and mist, which i didn't do any. Just root tone with prayer:thumbsup:. Its a strain i want to keep going and my seeds are mixed with :thumbsup:Skunk and NL X Skunk. And i enjoy the NL big time, which this clone is it. The cfl set up is close to 5,000 lumens and i have 3, but one hanging over this plant is perfect. I used them last year to do my first indoor and was very pleased with my product. And the plants gave me the re vegs i did this summer. There are some nug pics in the Sig, just look 3 to 4 pages before the end, it was killer.

The new room needs to happen your so right, but im fighting over the room i want. Sucks, but il win, i always do in the end. Its just that i dont have time to fuck around here if i want it done right. I have a great opportunity, but if i dont get my shit ready, il loose out on it. So oh i here ya on the move:thumbsup:for sure bro.



:rasta:

[LetsSeeYa]

how big was it when you started re-vegging it? a virus killed the previous version of this plant? it looks like it was producing 5 bladed leaves before.


-shake

If was small, maybe 4-5''. And yeah something did kill the mother, but i got this before signs of it, i freaking hope man. No it pretty much started out with 1 finger then went to 3 and so on, but i guess it might have being as tho it came from a plant that had been re vegged. But the mother i thought has not in flower yet, but that plant really went crazy during the re veg. The mother grew odd before it got sick. But this stuff isn't what the mother had, the other stuff made fingers yellow one at a time till the whole leaf was yellow. These leaves are dry and discolored in the veins of the leaf, but new growth has not been slowed. Its grown twice the size since iv put it under these lights. The outdoor mother would get a black spot first, then the yellowing would begin. Not sure if being indoors would ca use different side effects of that crap i had out there.



:rasta:

[headshake]

it apperas to be a deficiency. how old is the plant? how long has it been receiving nutes?
you probably should flush your soil and check your runoff. i'm wondering about the soil.

that's where i would start.


-shake

[WashougalWonder]

Looks like many problems to me. First impression is nitrogen overload. This could be because of lockout, but.

The leaves are also very shiny, you giving a lot of neem?

I would repot, regardless of the size. Flush it well first, then repot. Do not break up the root ball. Allow the excess water in the root ball to moisten the new potting mix...i.e., don't water immediately, wait until it needs it.

More light will help a lot.

I would stop all additives for now. Get this puppy back in balance first, they grew for eons without our intervention....

And age of mother actually means it should have reached it's maximum potential in age, no degradation in the first few years at all, I have plants well over 10 years old that are so strong I can barely tolerate the smoke, I have some that still at 3 years of age are getting better with every grow.

:jointsmile:

Edit: As I look back, you say in .3 liter pot. How tall is the plant? Think of the pot size necessary is big enough to hold root system equivalent to what you see above the dirt. Pictures give distorted views. You may simply need the repot into a larger pot and lay off the nutes for awhile, keep ingoing PH 6.5, and see if you can find some Fox Farms Ocean Forest potting mix.

[Rusty Trichome]

.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)Garden Magic from nursery
.8) Size of container.3 liter
Soil looks all used-up. When you water to runoff, does the water flow freely through the medium, or does it slowly filter down absorbing into the medium?Perhaps a transplant into FRESH unused soil. Have you slid-out the rootball to check for rootbound, or to make sure the roots are forming properly? (bright white, long and branching)

On your next watering day, (before watering) I'd slip the rootball out, and see if the bottom of the rootball is still moist. It shouldn't be bone dry. If it is too dry, add more solution on nutrient day, or perhaps adjust your watering.



13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.6-4-4 Fox Farm GROW BIG. I water when needed and alternate ferts. 2 tsp per gal.
Are you talking about alternating nutrients, or alternating between watering and fertilizing? Are you using the directions on the bottle, or the online weekly feeding schedule? Just the Grow Big, not the Big Bloom, too?

With higher temps, stagnant air can stress the ladies, especially if overly humid.

Bad idea to switch them between light sources. This adds stress too.

Might be needing some extra calcium. Perhaps a dose or two of molasses. (1 tsp per gallon per week)

Have you thought about maybe going with 1/2 strength ferts twice a week, rather than full doses once a week? I've been doing the twice-a-week thing for years, and it's easier to add nutes the next feeding, than to consistently OD 'em. Some plants can't handle full-strength nutrients all at once.

edit: Sorry Washougal, didn't get this far down in the post till I posted mine. Didn't mean to step on toes. ;)

[LetsSeeYa]

it appears to be a deficiency. how old is the plant? how long has it been receiving nutes?
you probably should flush your soil and check your runoff. i'm wondering about the soil.

that's where i would start.

-shake


I took the clone in July and only feed 1tsb per gallon of water, which was way lower of strength then recommended. The soil has been treating me well an have used it all summer. This pot has more perlite 50/50 soil. I thought it might help the roots grow more freely. Its what i thought, deficiency, by the way it looks, but not a clue. I am having truble getting my ph pen clabrated or id would have a better reading. I might try to get it right before i do anything major. I only have the blue buffer 7.02 i think its marked. It was pre mix when it was gifted with electric tape over the cap. What do you think i should set the pen at, 7.02? This is new stuff i need to get down, i should already know, but last year i used pre ferted stuff and didnt add anything. I would advise it to a newbie so it makes it easier. I learned so much by just watching the plant grow. Ya just cant add ferts to that stuff or ya fry the plant, but no one wants to listen, oh well.

Thanks Shake:thumbsup:



Looks like many problems to me. First impression is nitrogen overload. This could be because of lockout, but.

The leaves are also very shiny, you giving a lot of neem?

I would repot, regardless of the size. Flush it well first, then repot. Do not break up the root ball. Allow the excess water in the root ball to moisten the new potting mix...i.e., don't water immediately, wait until it needs it.

More light will help a lot.

No neem oil used. I water now with the ''when t needs it technique''. Iv kept the soil more dry then an over watering. The soil has worked fine, but iv loaded this pot with perlite trying to get air to the roots.


I would stop all additives for now. Get this puppy back in balance first, they grew for eons without our intervention....

And age of mother actually means it should have reached it's maximum potential in age, no degradation in the first few years at all, I have plants well over 10 years old that are so strong I can barely tolerate the smoke, I have some that still at 3 years of age are getting better with every grow.

Something i had no clue to was age, 10 years is some dedication to keep a mother that long. Must be a favorite of yours.

The plants growth really hasn't been stunted since iv put it in its bigger pot.



Edit: As I look back, you say in .3 liter pot. How tall is the plant? Think of the pot size necessary is big enough to hold root system equivalent to what you see above the dirt. Pictures give distorted views. You may simply need the repot into a larger pot and lay off the nutes for awhile, keep ingoing PH 6.5, and see if you can find some Fox Farms Ocean Forest potting mix.

I really think the pot might be bigger then 3 liters.


Soil looks all used-up. When you water to runoff, does the water flow freely through the medium, or does it slowly filter down absorbing into the medium?Perhaps a transplant into FRESH unused soil. Have you slid-out the rootball to check for rootbound, or to make sure the roots are forming properly? (bright white, long and branching)

Yeah Rusty very freely through the mix of 50/50 soil to perlite. Nothing tells me it needs re potted. Not ever droopy leaves and gets water/food about every 3-4 days. The soil has been the same all summer and the best i could get without ferts added. It came from my nursery and iv liked using it, mix with some perlite.


On your next watering day, (before watering) I'd slip the rootball out, and see if the bottom of the rootball is still moist. It shouldn't be bone dry. If it is too dry, add more solution on nutrient day, or perhaps adjust your watering.

I will pull her out and take a look, but didn't see any touching the sides of its last pot. I could have busted up the root ball, but its the only clone i had and was not wanting to disturb the new roots. But i believe there were not many roots before this re pot as it was not stable coming out of the original pot.



Are you talking about alternating nutrients, or alternating between watering and fertilizing? Are you using the directions on the bottle, or the online weekly feeding schedule? Just the Grow Big, not the Big Bloom, too?

With higher temps, stagnant air can stress the ladies, especially if overly humid.

No iv only used the Grow Big and started with only a half tsp, then 1 and 2 yesterday. And i feed let dry, then water and let dry, and so on. There is 50%perlite in the soil mix, which keeps the roots from getting to dry, but over all iv kept the soil more dryer then a would a plant from seed. My thinking was to get air to the roots, but not toatolly not letting the roots dry out.

Il get temp/humidty tonight, but i do have a fan moving air in there.


Bad idea to switch them between light sources. This adds stress too.

Might be needing some extra calcium. Perhaps a dose or two of molasses. (1 tsp per gallon per week)

Have you thought about maybe going with 1/2 strength ferts twice a week, rather than full doses once a week? I've been doing the twice-a-week thing for years, and it's easier to add nutes the next feeding, than to consistently OD 'em. Some plants can't handle full-strength nutrients all at once.

edit: Sorry Washougal, didn't get this far down in the post till I posted mine. Didn't mean to step on toes. ;)

When it started new growth, i only sat it on the window and gave it extra cfl at night only because i was making sure it wasn't going into flower. It wasn't long after i took the clone, the mother flowered fast. So i was only trying to extend light period to prevent it from starting to flower.

I did start out less then half strength on the ferts and built on them as the plant got bigger.


Thanks for the help everyone:thumbsup:i really want to save this plant to clone from. I will pull it out to look for roots growing. Im thinking i will not see any and even thought of making a paste with the clonex and try and stick it in down around a newly scrapped spot on the stem,lol Anything to save this one, i had to kill its mother. But this looks nothing like the mother had.




Thanks again guys:rasta:

[LetsSeeYa]

The roots look nice an white and growing real nice, but i put it in a bigger pot. Here are a couple pics of the roots. The temps were 66-79 low and high and the humidity was 69 and 80 low and high. I also flushed her, so lets see what happens in the next couple days:thumbsup:



:rasta:

[WashougalWonder]

Yeah, something is going on there, the roots at the bottom have a brownish color, not healthy. Again, flush, repot, and no nutes....in that order.

RUSTY: I do that all the time accidentally, nope, you missed my toes...wanna dance? LOL I really don't think you are my type for dancing.....

[LetsSeeYa]

Yeah, something is going on there, the roots at the bottom have a brownish color, not healthy. Again, flush, repot, and no nutes....in that order.



Well iv done this while it was out of the pot, they were not as bad as it looks in the pic as most roots were nice and white. And before it was put in this pot about a month, all of those roots grew. I didn't see a one root when it came out of the last pot, which the clone started from. I think there is a deficiency, plus i need to recalibrate my Ph pen next.



:rasta:

[headshake]

hey LSY, since you got your lighting situation fixed, perhaps you should invest in a new pH pen. the one you got gifted was suspect at best!

it's not uncommon for roots in soil to have a brown tint. FLUSH, FLUSH, FLUSH!


-shake

[LetsSeeYa]

hey LSY, since you got your lighting situation fixed, perhaps you should invest in a new pH pen. the one you got gifted was suspect at best!

it's not uncommon for roots in soil to have a brown tint. FLUSH, FLUSH, FLUSH!


-shake

Yeah Shake i was planning on getting a new pen. Its been giving me different readings so im not sure if i didn't let it dry out by mistake too, but i tried to keep it wet.

Yeah iv seen some brownish roots on other plants but the bulk of them were very white. And i flushed right after it was put in a bigger pot with fresh soil, but it looked worse this morning? After i re pot a plant it always looks better the next day and im thinking deficiency is my issue, but not sure what it might be?



Thanks Shake:rasta:

[LetsSeeYa]

Ok 4 days from being re potted and flushed well. Looks like the new growth is coming along well and its grown in the past 4 days. Its got to be some sort of deficiency, because its not been nute burned or over watered. There are no pests at all. And the temps are not perfect, but if it was id think it would stunt growth and its growing good. Any ideas on what these line might be, i cant find anything, but the Epsom salts sticky. She talks about lines down the finger of the leaf. Is this what Stinkyattic is talking about in the thread?





Thanks everyone:rasta:

[headshake]

did you check your runoff when you flushed LSY?

-shake

[LetsSeeYa]

did you check your runoff when you flushed LSY?

-shake

Nope im looking to get a new one is there one you might like better then another. I should have tried with this one, but im not sure its calibrated right. And honestly i forgot too.:wtf:



:rasta:

[headshake]

Nope im looking to get a new one is there one you might like better then another. I should have tried with this one, but im not sure its calibrated right. And honestly i forgot too.:wtf:



:rasta:

i use the oakton, ecoTestr/pH1. no problems with it. if you ever plan on trying your hand at hydro you might look at a combo pH/EC meter. buy once and buy right!


-shake

[LetsSeeYa]

i use the oakton, ecoTestr/pH1. no problems with it. if you ever plan on trying your hand at hydro you might look at a combo pH/EC meter. buy once and buy right!


-shake



Well looking at that chart you put up on Mg deficiencies above looks to be my issue. So i have added som Epson salts 2 x now and im going to try a folier to the leaves in hopes to save her. But iv got good growth on top and so im going to try anything i can to save her. I still need to get a new ph pen put havent found one that is as nice as the price.

Here are a couple of pics of the plant now. I thought about taking clones from the top where it seems uninfected, but not sure the clone would carry the deficiency? The top growth looks nice as its pulling the Mg from the rest of the plant. At least thats what the article Shake posted above. So would it be possible to take the healthy upper parts for clones but, not get a cut that has the same issues? I have started seeds, but id like to clone out this plant first as its the NL#5 and great smoke.:thumbsup:



Thanks for all the help:rasta:

[stra8outtaWeed]

hey bro...they are lookin better....have you got your LED's up yet?:jointsmile:

give them about 24" above the plants or better in veg:thumbsup:

[LetsSeeYa]

hey bro...they are lookin better....have you got your LED's up yet?:jointsmile:

give them about 24" above the plants or better in veg:thumbsup:



Not yet i want to make sure i can get them up right, iv had my other lights fall to many times. But i sure cant wait man, but i need this plant to clone from to get plants going to get a harvest before x-mas:thumbsup:. I put 6 seeds in some dirt on the 2nd and 3 have popped, but i think the other 3 went into bad soil. Il give em a couple days and re plant them if there not popped. I just found a hydro store that will deliver anything i want so il be getting better soil and organtic nutes. But i really need this plant as i really dont want to wait on the seedlings. These are for the most to clone from and then re veg them. Maybe put one out next summer the yield is to big not too. So how did you do outside this year, they sure looked nice man:thumbsup:



Thanks man:thumbsup:



:rasta:

[Gare0440]

lookin better bro. that flushin and transplant looks like it helped.

Set that led up! i had to jump in when i saw u an str8 talkin bout it

it works wonders! heres my current setup

led from str8, 4 ft 4 bulb t5, 2 ft 4 bulb on the side :thumbsup::thumbsup:

all from seed this round, little sog soon :rastasmoke:

[stra8outtaWeed]

they came out awesome...i got about an lb off of 2 plants :smokin:

[LetsSeeYa]

they came out awesome...i got about an lb off of 2 plants :smokin:

Wow man they look nice and a great yield too:thumbsup:so ya think you might do a couple next year? I think il do 2 next year outside, i want to do a re vegged one and get one nice and big one, then plant it sideways. Last years Purple plant that got ripped looked so nice with all its branches real thick and looked like a bunch of colas. And a re veg just does so well outside it would be a mistake not to take advantage of at least one. But thats all i want to do out as last grow was tough and bigger then i ever thought.

I hope to get my lights up soon, but for what i got going on right now the CFL's is fine. But in a week or so il be getting them up to start vegging, i think it should help them grow faster:thumbsup:



:rasta:

[LetsSeeYa]

lookin better bro. that flushin and transplant looks like it helped.

Set that led up! i had to jump in when i saw u an str8 talkin bout it

it works wonders! heres my current setup

led from str8, 4 ft 4 bulb t5, 2 ft 4 bulb on the side :thumbsup::thumbsup:

all from seed this round, little sog soon :rastasmoke:



Hey Gare it wont be much longer and with only the one plant and some seeds that popped the other day my cfl set up will be fine for now. But il be getting them up soon. Iv seen them t5's grow some nice weed in a few logs:thumbsup:and your set up looks killer man:cool:



:rasta:

[stra8outtaWeed]

Wow man they look nice and a great yield too:thumbsup:so ya think you might do a couple next year? I think il do 2 next year outside, i want to do a re vegged one and get one nice and big one, then plant it sideways. Last years Purple plant that got ripped looked so nice with all its branches real thick and looked like a bunch of colas. And a re veg just does so well outside it would be a mistake not to take advantage of at least one. But thats all i want to do out as last grow was tough and bigger then i ever thought.

I hope to get my lights up soon, but for what i got going on right now the CFL's is fine. But in a week or so il be getting them up to start vegging, i think it should help them grow faster:thumbsup:



:rasta:

actually you will see tighter nodes and more root growth in veg w/the LED :jointsmile:

[LetsSeeYa]

actually you will see tighter nodes and more root growth in veg w/the LED :jointsmile:

Well i just need to get the right person to hang them until i can really get it all set up. Ya know what i mean? I lost 3 seeds by using the wrong soil so il e getting more soon. Sucks because id luv to clone the NL plant out and veg for a couple weeks and flower for the holidays. I have gave her 2 dose's of Epsom salt and some molasses this morning. I still need to get a damn Ph pen though.



:rasta:

[LetsSeeYa]

Well the first pic was taken a couple days ago and has been through these treatments. It has had 1 good flush, 2 Epsom Sault's applications, 2, Molasses applications and just recently Grow Big and used Fossil Fuel to help up take the nutes. I bought the Earth Juice veg and bloom, Meta-K and it came with the Fossil Fuel. And yes water in between, not counting molasses. I needed to get nutes into the plant or it will die. One new issue is the new leaf tips are turning brown.

I gotta try something as the plant is still growing and i see some growth not infected, yet.Its at about 2 1/2' and started out great, but it has mites too, you can see the no pest strip. Its been in about 6 days and i believe the mites are dead by looking through a microscope i just got. There dead now, but im going to bomb the room in 8 more days, 2 weeks of use of strip.

Iv looked all over and even bought 2 books, but looks to me to have many defiances and probably lock out. The Fossil Fuel im hoping will help the nutes to get up into the plant better and help give some good help at getting my plant healthy. The site said it aids in promoting healthy plant growth and root growth, but what product doesnt. The Earth Juice line looked easy and has gotta be as good as other stuff iv used and im sure even better. Plus i got a good deal.


The 2nd pick was taken the 8th, but all others were taken the other day. Its growing as if nothing is wrong, but as you see, somethings up. If anyone has a clue jump in, i thank you very much:hippy:


:rasta:

[LetsSeeYa]

I have been trying to post these since my last post, but my computer speed sucks. So the info is above and the plant is still growing well and the mites are dieing off. But they found their way into my seedlings, i finally bought a microscope and saw one today on my best one. I have them in a box in cups with a 65k light and so far they look green and healthy, but its a matter of time before mites eat them so i wondered if i could put another ''no pest strip'' in the box and put it in my other room where iv had a strip for the past 9 days. I bought a cloner i cant even use, because i have mites which are in both areas now. The NL clone is close to 3' now and would luv to get some cloned for a grow, but why carry problems into other plants until i get the issue fixed. Thats why im thinking about putting the strip in the box and close it up and put it in the area thats been getting treated for 9 days now. The clone isn't in flower and if the seedlings do die from the strip, at least i will know the mites will be gone as i plan to bomb it in a week or so, it depends on any living mites. Next option will be the Avid<sp, i really dont want to mess with this stuff as iv read its pretty hard core stuff, but after seeing what they have done at this point im not sure il ever be able to grow in here again. This area i have the NL clone or plant its gotten so big is really pretty small, so im thinking 2 ''no pest strips'' for 2 more weeks, then il take the plants out and bomb the area. I will spray it with bleach from top to bottom, then over all cleaning. If this doesnt work il just pitch my NL plant and seedlings and start over, man this sucks.

I can only think i got these fucking things from the NL clone im trying to save. Iv never had them till i brought the clone in this summer. I gotta reed up on these bastards, they are a damn nightmare. I have not tried alchol spray yet, any one have luck with this? And if anyone has had these and got rid of them please let me know how to myself, i feel itchy all over and iv been somoking crap leftovers from the summer grow, I need to grow, iv even got the tools iv needed, but cant:wtf:

Any help would be great, if im missing anything:thumbsup:Im going to need to cut and paste this to try and post just one pic taken the 18th, just will not load them all. shit


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[LetsSeeYa]

So here it is now looking much better everyday. I cant believe she made it with all the issues it had. Il never bring a clone in from outside again thats for dang sure. I have had 1 ''no pest strip'' in its room for a month and one for 2 weeks, but now iv used 50/50 water alcohol for any clusters. But most are gone now. I have removed about 3'' of the top soil and added more.

Now i want to bomb it. Can i leave the plant in the area along with seedlings while i do bomb it? And does anyone know what type of bomb should i use?

The plan is to clone the NL plant, let them veg for about 10 days and flower. I bought a small cloner[5] site, but thinking i could cram in 5 cuts per site. Iv never used one of these before and they sent sponge type inserts that the cuts are to fit into. But im thinking the clay balls would hole more clone in a bit more sturdy. And i only have clone powder, i think i need gel dont i, seems like the powder would wash off as soon as i turned the thing on. Do i use tap water or should i Ph the water before using it? Its a ''Daisy'' cloner and just thought this would help with a good stealthy set-up. I hope it doesnt give my more issues, hell after getting this plant healthy there just cant be any more problems. Iv had enough for this year, lol.

First pic was the 21st and the second was taken the 29th. Everything iv done is listed above so something has worked, its at 3' now with new good green growth, but as you see more work needs to be done.


Any ideas would help, thanks:thumbsup:



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[leevilla]

looks like a N defeiceincy, what u feeding them and how often

[LetsSeeYa]

looks like a N defeiceincy, what u feeding them and how often

Everything is listed above. This was a clone i took from an outdoor re vegged plant that got sick right before i took this clone. Some of what you see in the second pic was exaggerated by the light. I noticed after i posted it. But everything iv fed it is about a post or two up. And there was plenty.

Il try an post a pic thats closer to the plant, but was thinking a Me defeiceincy and also K too.

Any ideas would be great, i thank you for stopping by:thumbsup:



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[gypski]

Get a hold of a free sample of SNS 217 (email them, its quick) from Sierra Natural Science to use on your mites since you only have a few plants and the 4 oz sample should do the trick or help kill them off. :thumbsup:

[LetsSeeYa]

Get a hold of a free sample of SNS 217 (email them, its quick) from Sierra Natural Science to use on your mites since you only have a few plants and the 4 oz sample should do the trick or help kill them off. :thumbsup:

Thanks gypski, do you think i should bomb the area after using this product? Its the first iv heard iof it and read that long ass mite thread too. Coulda missed it i guess:stoned:



Thanks again:rasta:

[gypski]

I'm not user about a bomb. I've never had to deal with mites, I know some one that is, and I'm keeping my plants away from there. CO2 will kill the live ones, but not the eggs. SNS-217 supposedly kills the eggs too. You have to use a bomb, co2 and a spray to kill them all. I have the 4 oz sample of SNS-217 just in case. I hate pest problems on plants and computers. :D

I found this. Maybe it helps you. :thumbsup:

Total Release Pyrethrin Foggers (Bug Bombs) for Homes & Greenhouses at Home Harvest Garden Supply (http://homeharvest.com/insectspraystotalreleasefoggers.htm)

[LetsSeeYa]

I'm not user about a bomb. I've never had to deal with mites, I know some one that is, and I'm keeping my plants away from there. CO2 will kill the live ones, but not the eggs. SNS-217 supposedly kills the eggs too. You have to use a bomb, co2 and a spray to kill them all. I have the 4 oz sample of SNS-217 just in case. I hate pest problems on plants and computers. :D

I found this. Maybe it helps you. :thumbsup:

Total Release Pyrethrin Foggers (Bug Bombs) for Homes & Greenhouses at Home Harvest Garden Supply (http://homeharvest.com/insectspraystotalreleasefoggers.htm)

Thanks gypski, i have both on the way. I do gotta say the no pest strip has worked great, but i just want to make sure they, the mites are gone. Like i said, il never bring in another clone/plant again from outside. I think it was a plant i had put into flower early that had been outside. It was covered in webs, but i never thought spider mites would create such big webs.

Here is a pic or two from today:thumbsup:

Anyone think i could take clones yet. Yes im sure there is some sort of deficiencies, but im thinking i could fix the issues easier from a small clone. Almost like starting over by getting the clones all essential nutrients to fix any lock out or deficiencies.

I know the plant doesnt look perfect, but if you look at the other pics in this thread, something iv done has helped the plant. What it was im not sure and could have just got lucky, but thats fine by me. I have been using Fossil Fuel, which is to help the plant up-take food better and help root growth, with it also is supposed to help over all health of the plant:thumbsup:.

I have been feeding the Earth Juice Grow with the Fossil Fuel, then plain water every 4 days in less she gets dry early, which has only happen once so far. I also have Meta-K which is part of the Earth Juice line, but have just started to use it. When we opened it after shaking well, there was this big ass clump of something so now im wondering if its an old bottle i bought? But i wanted to stick with all nutes from the same line so thats why i switched over to the Meta-K. It works the same i believe as the Fossil Fuel, at least from what iv read. If anyone has used these products could ya let me know how they worked for you?

Thanks again gypski and if anyone has any ideas for me please chime in, im really ready to get into 12/12 and grow BUDS:thumbsup:



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[GaGrown]

I think you should be able to get some nice cuttings/clones from it! Try it.. Take more than you need for the mortality rate. Hope you get 100% rooted!

[LetsSeeYa]

I think you should be able to get some nice cuttings/clones from it! Try it.. Take more than you need for the mortality rate. Hope you get 100% rooted!

Well man thats the plan man, i have wanted to get the plant healthy before cloning. The cloner came with sponge like inserts to hold the clones, which look cheap and not very effective. And its only a 5 site, but thought id stick in as many as i can with those hydro balls. Which are 2 of the 3 things i need i think. Still need clone gel, 3 gal pots to flower in and the clay balls. Then get my LED'S hung! Man i cant freaking wait man. I just cant seem to get my seeds up with it being so cold. I have had a few die on me and im pretty good getting seeds up and going any other time. So i need to start about 10 more, they are all Purple, but the big NL#5 that il clone to death and then flower it after re veg. Man its taking me forever:wtf:



Thanks man:rasta:

[GaGrown]

You might want to use a hormone solution like KLN in your cloner.. If you choose the solution then there would be no need for the gel or powder with the clay pellets.Take the pellets off your list, and Email me and I'll be glad to donate a brand new cloner and all supplies you will need! Just for the cause! You interested in a 12 site cloner? I have several BRAND NEW!