Caregivers, I need your help.

[TheReleafCenter]

I have an open dialogue going with Jeanne Robb on the 12 plant issue that has reached somewhat of an impasse. I don't think she understands that there are REAL patients that are in federal housing or are too sick to cultivate medicine on their own. I need her to hear from your patients.

I'm compiling a list of short letters to forward her. If your patients could do something as simple as give their name, their address, a description of their condition and how having a caregiver assists them, I think it would go a long way to educating the councilwoman on this issue.

Getting plant counts any higher seems to be dead right now.

Thanks in advance.

[blackhash]

LOL. Look at all the people signing up to offer their private info to this Nazi bitch...:thumbsup: Don't knock each other down gettin to the keyboard, folks!;)

What I'd like to know is WHERE in A-20 or 1284 does it give the cities/counties an explicit right to TAKE AWAY A CITIZEN'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT? I see where they have the power to LICENSE and REGULATE businesses in their jusrisdic(k)tion, but where are they given the power to regulate away INDIVIDUAL Constitutional rights by limiting patients to anything less than the law allows EACH patient?

Ask her that. Please.

Such a move is like saying "only one vote per household per election, no matter HOW MANY licensed voters reside at "X" address. Can they do THAT? NO.

They can't because it is your RIGHT. Same as MMJ!!!

"absolute power corrupts absolutely" Orwell

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

LOL. Look at all the people signing up to offer their private info to this Nazi bitch...:thumbsup: Don't knock each other down gettin to the keyboard, folks!;)

What I'd like to know is WHERE in A-20 or 1284 does it give the cities/counties an explicit right to TAKE AWAY A CITIZEN'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT? I see where they have the power to LICENSE and REGULATE businesses in their jusrisdic(k)tion, but where are they given the power to regulate away INDIVIDUAL Constitutional rights by limiting patients to anything less than the law allows EACH patient?

Ask her that. Please.

Such a move is like saying "only one vote per household per election, no matter HOW MANY licensed voters reside at "X" address. Can they do THAT? NO.

They can't because it is your RIGHT. Same as MMJ!!!

"absolute power corrupts absolutely" Orwell

they already have their info, rights have to be fought for. look at history, blacks, women, gay & lesbian and marijuana all have made major strides from people willing to overlook the obvious fear and repercussions that come from progress. without these people there would be no America for all these corrupt idiots to wreck.


im meded and i approve this message

[Zedleppelin]

they already have their info

No they don't.

[blackhash]

you got it Zep.

And I'll add.... we ALREADY FOUGHT for our rights in 2000 when Article XIV passede by a MAJORITY of the voters in Colorado.

Cities/towns/counties can regulate with more power than the State but they MUST respect our constitutional rights as they govern. It's in their Charters to operate and it is also "law".

Dat bitch is gonna get Denver sued in a BIG way.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

No they don't.

no offense but yes they do. what do you think they cant access a piece of paper. oh sure you could fight them in court, however how long could you last, theyll beat you with money you paid them. theses traitors suffer no consequences other than being voted out and that only ensures the next round of idiots. come on now if you believe one wing is different from another you dont pay attention.

meded for president:D

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

you got it Zep.

And I'll add.... we ALREADY FOUGHT for our rights in 2000 when Article XIV passede by a MAJORITY of the voters in Colorado.

Cities/towns/counties can regulate with more power than the State but they MUST respect our constitutional rights as they govern. It's in their Charters to operate and it is also "law".

Dat bitch is gonna get Denver sued in a BIG way.


and you are hating on me for supporting you??? all im saying is if you let things go they will keep changing the rules until "am 20" doesnt exist, further if no one steps up, thats what will happen. i support who does. do not underestimate political bullshit traitors. mj being illegal at all should show you how theses cowards operate...duh. and by the way ive said it before ill say it again...your not legal!!! with mmj you have very little rights your in a bubble and very soon it will pop.

meded is a hell of a drug

[blackhash]

not hatin on anyone but those who think they are going to take my rights away.

"think' being the key word.

I grew for 20 years before A20. I have no plans to stop, "legal" or not.

:D

[Zedleppelin]

no offense but yes they do. what do you think they cant access a piece of paper. oh sure you could fight them in court, however how long could you last, theyll beat you with money you paid them. theses traitors suffer no consequences other than being voted out and that only ensures the next round of idiots. come on now if you believe one wing is different from another you dont pay attention.

meded for president:D


Just to make sure we're on the same page here, you're saying members of the Denver City Council such as Jeanne Robb are able to access patients info from The Dept Of Health?

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

... come on now if you believe one wing is different from another you dont pay attention....

watch out - you're speaking a bit too much truth. people can't handle that....

:D

[TheReleafCenter]

I was really looking forward to reading this when I got in on Monday. Now I wish I hadn't wasted my time.

I'm working overtime every week, contacting city council members in what little private time I have, to fight for caregivers that probably hurt our business.

We wonder why caregivers are always getting the shaft? No one wants to pitch in, they want one big "bitch in" where they complain about the government and how nothing gets changed.

Any restrictions on plants is as moronic as it is illegal. But it's going to be the law for a short while until it gets challenged. Who's going to sue, though? All of the lawyers representing MMC's? The same ones who swore they were going to sue after 1284? Don't hold your collective breath.

Realistically, I get it. Some of you prefer to stay underground, don't care about any regulations, are off the "grid." I don't wish any of you ill-will or busts. As Russell Simmons would say, "Do you!"

For those who do this legally, have registered patients, and want a voice: I'm willing to keep harassing these council members. They're pretty receptive when you're not calling them a "Nazi Bitch" and focus on the truth, something they unfortunately know little about.

The next special issues committee meets on Wednesday. See what you can get done before then.

[copobo]

I'm not in Denver or I would have thought more about this. I think you are right though - people DO want to remain anonymous. Especially the patients that are with caregivers. Some are people that would never consider even showing ID at a Center, let alone sending their address to one of the most anti-mmj people on Denver City Council. When I saw you post, I was really glad to see you do it, but was highly afraid you would experience what you just did.

It's the chris bartkowicz / 9news, full spectrum / state legislature effect. Chris may be as good an example as full spectrum labs, but its not like people that have stood up haven't had their asses handed to them. Even word of trouble can cost jobs in some situations.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

I was really looking forward to reading this when I got in on Monday. Now I wish I hadn't wasted my time.

I'm working overtime every week, contacting city council members in what little private time I have, to fight for caregivers that probably hurt our business.

We wonder why caregivers are always getting the shaft? No one wants to pitch in, they want one big "bitch in" where they complain about the government and how nothing gets changed.

Any restrictions on plants is as moronic as it is illegal. But it's going to be the law for a short while until it gets challenged. Who's going to sue, though? All of the lawyers representing MMC's? The same ones who swore they were going to sue after 1284? Don't hold your collective breath.

Realistically, I get it. Some of you prefer to stay underground, don't care about any regulations, are off the "grid." I don't wish any of you ill-will or busts. As Russell Simmons would say, "Do you!"

For those who do this legally, have registered patients, and want a voice: I'm willing to keep harassing these council members. They're pretty receptive when you're not calling them a "Nazi Bitch" and focus on the truth, something they unfortunately know little about.

The next special issues committee meets on Wednesday. See what you can get done before then.

see now this is where i gotta find my happy place...it shouldnt be illegal, period. end of discussion. underground is gone in "dispensary land" can i get a small c with a circle around it...copryright. you know mickey and minney got high right? comon it was all over the tabloids;) for real though i get what your saying although i think some of us maybe changing tactics. educating people so they can vote is the key. your endless parries with politicians fall on deaf ears for the most part.

vote for meded

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

watch out - you're speaking a bit too much truth. people can't handle that....

:D

yeah ive heard there is a high population creatures in the US called ostriches:cool:

meded is a hell of a drug

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Just to make sure we're on the same page here, you're saying members of the Denver City Council such as Jeanne Robb are able to access patients info from The Dept Of Health?

if you have a paper trail, someone can access it. it might not be so blatant though it is there. just like bank accounts, emails and everything else we sign write say. all i need is money and i can trace you to your address knock on your door and call you by your first name. dont assume that this wont happen its just a matter of time for supreme regulation and when the feds get their ok it probably will happen, ive already seen job openings for auditors and the like...this is just the start


meded for one meded for all

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

not hatin on anyone but those who think they are going to take my rights away.

"think' being the key word.

I grew for 20 years before A20. I have no plans to stop, "legal" or not.

:D

i feel you on that note but they can and they might.



meded for life.......its ok were taking it back:thumbsup:

[TheReleafCenter]

I'm not in Denver or I would have thought more about this. I think you are right though - people DO want to remain anonymous. Especially the patients that are with caregivers. Some are people that would never consider even showing ID at a Center, let alone sending their address to one of the most anti-mmj people on Denver City Council. When I saw you post, I was really glad to see you do it, but was highly afraid you would experience what you just did.

It's the chris bartkowicz / 9news, full spectrum / state legislature effect. Chris may be as good an example as full spectrum labs, but its not like people that have stood up haven't had their asses handed to them. Even word of trouble can cost jobs in some situations.

I wish I could dispel the notion that council members would maliciously go after a legal Colorado MMJ patient. There is nothing I can do about the tinfoil hats, I just wish they'd quit with their own brand of propaganda scaring patients out of their right to be heard in all of this.

Of the 100,000's of patients, they hear from a fraction of a percent. Which is why they think it's de facto legalization. SMH.

[cologrower420]

I'm going to contact you away from here regarding what you're requesting.

However, I think the privacy concern is valid.

For example, the aurora sentinel published a map of 'home grows', I think their 7-22 edition. I'm not certain. I know there was a thread here, and the map was never posted online that I know of, there's only a cell pic if it, in that thread. The paper never sourced where they got their info (maybe aurora pd), and we have to assume the dept. of health didn't release the info.

What could possibly be the source of that information? This is a paranoid crowd that you're asking for this info from.

With that said, people like you don't get enough respect, the ones in the trenches and behind the scenes, even working for those who don't understand that you're on the same team.

Apathy and ignorance are difficult barriers to overcome, good luck and thank you.

[TheReleafCenter]

If you have a patient that doesn't include their address, at least have them include their district. At that point we can start calling out council members specifically.

Thanks for the kind words, Colo. It would theoretically be better for our business if caregivers were victims of this de facto ban, but we're trying to do right by everyone protected in A20, not just 1284.

[cologrower420]

If you have a patient that doesn't include their address, at least have them include their district. At that point we can start calling out council members specifically.

Thanks for the kind words, Colo. It would theoretically be better for our business if caregivers were victims of this de facto ban, but we're trying to do right by everyone protected in A20, not just 1284.

Hopefully caregivers will soon realize that there are MMC's who care about the cause, not everyone is a stanley-clone.

The relationship between caregivers and MMC's shouldn't be an adversarial one.

[TheReleafCenter]

Well, they back slid. Caregivers are going to be banned in Denver and cultivation is limited to card holders unless it gets voted down on the 25th. Nevitt was the only dissenting vote, although Linkhart hadn't arrived yet.

I spoke with Doug after the meeting and he's saying the community isn't reaching out to the council.

Anyone feel like sending a letter yet?

[copobo]

how do they get to outright ban a constitutional right?

this is likely better than the 12 plant limit, as this will bring litigation.

I WISH I could help you.

problem is 99.99% of the patients and caregivers are out of the loop.

should reach out to Laura at CTI as she has the biggest list!

[TheReleafCenter]

I've been e-mailing back and forth on it, she's got things covered on her side. I'm just trying to reach out to people that may not fall under their umbrella. This public hearing is going to be critical.

I'm just concerned that the turnout at the last hearing was more about MMC's not wanting to lose their "caregiver" status at the time and less actual caregivers and patients. I expect the public to be more involved, as well.

This does not look good.

[mustangwomyn]

Well, they back slid. Caregivers are going to be banned in Denver and cultivation is limited to card holders unless it gets voted down on the 25th. Nevitt was the only dissenting vote, although Linkhart hadn't arrived yet.

I spoke with Doug after the meeting and he's saying the community isn't reaching out to the council.

Anyone feel like sending a letter yet?

If I still lived in Denver county I would, But I haven't lived there in over a year, I am now in Unincorporated Arapahoe County

[TheReleafCenter]

If I still lived in Denver county I would, But I haven't lived there in over a year, I am now in Unincorporated Arapahoe County

Denver acts and lots of municipalities follow. Even if you're in an outlying community, I'd encourage everyone to contact them.

[mustangwomyn]

Denver acts and lots of municipalities follow. Even if you're in an outlying community, I'd encourage everyone to contact them.

Good Point, I have decided to contact them I am still working on the letter, as I want to make sure I cover all points.

Some of the points I will attempt to highlight are:

1) My disability presents issues that keep me from doing anything physical, including simple tasks like inspecting plants.

2) Caregivers are already very limited due to restrictions placed on them such as the requirement to sell for cost

3) Caregivers are limited to 5 patients so that should not create a traffic issue any worse than any home based business. If they aren't following the law then enforce current laws.

4) My disease limits the prescription meds I can take due to the stress placed on the liver.

5) if Caregivers are eliminated cost will prevent me from utilizing MMC's & make it impossible to obtain medicine.

this is just a basic out line but some of the subjects I want to include

:stoned:

[TheReleafCenter]

That's excellent. Thank you.

[mustangwomyn]

That's excellent. Thank you.

Not a problem, I didn't offer before since I didn't live in Denver anymore, but you brought up a good point and I really do want to insure my access, cause it helps a lot with both my pain & Nausea:)

[canniwhatsis]

My Question is, Who do I wright? and how do I word it? While Denver is doing this, I've heard that Broomfield is even trying to ban a patient from home growing! :mad:

I live in Thornton, which has a ban on dispensary's but not home grows/ caregivers to the best of what I can find. So Denver rules don't effect me, but your right, what they adopt Thornton will follow.

I would really hate to see this trend of city's banning a patients right to grow their own meds, and or chose their own caregiver continue.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

My Question is, Who do I wright? and how do I word it? While Denver is doing this, I've heard that Broomfield is even trying to ban a patient from home growing! :mad:

I live in Thornton, which has a ban on dispensary's but not home grows/ caregivers to the best of what I can find. So Denver rules don't effect me, but your right, what they adopt Thornton will follow.

I would really hate to see this trend of city's banning a patients right to grow their own meds, and or chose their own caregiver continue.

city bans:D lmao there has always been some sort of ban on mj, doesnt anybody rememeber OVERGROW...jeez. dispensaries will get raided soon and caregivers will get their break for a minute. repeat process. as easy as it is to grow im suprised more dont do it. 10 dollars an ounce bro:thumbsup:


meded-quality organics-grown for potency, flavor and aroma

[cologrower420]

From a westword article:
Robert Chase says:

Joel et alia, What makes you think that Tvert represents "Big Pot" (at least, directly), or, more to the point, that dispensaries will support re-legalization? I think that dispensaries would benefit from re-legalization by being the only established retail outlets for cannabis at the point that the number of legal consumers increases by an order of magnitude, but most profiteers are focused on short-term profit, not political education or organization, and not on ending Prohibition. It remains to be seen whether dispensaries will ever take effective political action, or what the ultimate effect on patients and dispensaries of SB109 and HB1284 will be, but the future of medicinal cannabis under this unconstitutional and possibly prohibitive regulatory scheme is definitely in question.

There can be no question that caregivers' rights are under assault -- the extraconstitutional limitations of caregivers to five patients and the extraconstitutional determination that they can be made into personal assistants are wrong, and can and should be challenged in the courts. Dispensaries, ostensibly the places where caregivers dispense cannabis, became MMCs overnight, debarred even from employing caregivers. Our enemies have succeeded in codifying what was happening anyway: turning control of the commerce in cannabis over to the capitalists. They have created these people a client class, which dances attendance on Matt Cook and hangs on his every word. Not only is it ugly, it is quite clear that MMCs are along for the ride, and lack the gumption to organize their own patients politically, much less the ambition to tell the public at large that it is time to end Prohibition.

This speaks volumes to the laziness and apathy of patients and caregivers. It's really, really sad. So quick to complain, so slow to act.

[TheReleafCenter]

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Let them know why you need a caregiver and what life would be like without your caregiver. Keeping it simple and personal is the best way to get their attention.

[mustangwomyn]

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Let them know why you need a caregiver and what life would be like without your caregiver. Keeping it simple and personal is the best way to get their attention.

I only sent mine to one member maybe I should coppy to the rest

[copobo]

might as well get the most bang for your effort. thanks for standing up and getting counted!

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

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Let them know why you need a caregiver and what life would be like without your caregiver. Keeping it simple and personal is the best way to get their attention.

what if you do not have a caregiver how should one address them. also what kind of letter format is appropiate.


if you couldnt mededitate you didnt mededicate:jointsmile:

[mustangwomyn]

might as well get the most bang for your effort. thanks for standing up and getting counted!

I did forward it to the rest of the council members & they have all read the message & I even got a reply back from Chris Nevitt Denver City Councilman, District 7 (No others have replied), which stated:

Thanks for your thoughts. I donâ??t disagree. Sorry youâ??re no longer in Denver.

[mustangwomyn]

what if you do not have a caregiver how should one address them. also what kind of letter format is appropiate.


if you couldnt mededitate you didnt mededicate:jointsmile:

I approached from the point that you may never be able to find a caregiver since this law will virtually wipe out the availability.

I don't have a caregiver either, but hope to change that at some point, since I really am not able to care for plants due to my disability. But if this law passes the likelihood is slim without posting or replying on Craigs List which I refuse to do (to many flakes & scams).

[wkhey4]

I did forward it to the rest of the council members & they have all read the message & I even got a reply back from Chris Nevitt Denver City Councilman, District 7 (No others have replied), which stated:

Thanks for your thoughts. I donâ??t disagree. Sorry youâ??re no longer in Denver.

mustangwomyn,would you consider sharing the letter you wrote so that I and others can get a idea of what you said. It would help me compose my letters so that I can reemphasize what you said added to what I have to say.

[mustangwomyn]

mustangwomyn,would you consider sharing the letter you wrote so that I and others can get a idea of what you said. It would help me compose my letters so that I can reemphasize what you said added to what I have to say.

I posted the talking points I used earlier in this post, scroll back up. The letter contains personal confidential medical information I do not wish to share on this forum.

In addition it would be best if you wrote your own experiences, so they can relate to you.:stoned:

[wkhey4]

I posted the talking points I used earlier in this post, scroll back up. The letter contains personal confidential medical information I do not wish to share on this forum.

In addition it would be best if you wrote your own experiences, so they can relate to you.:stoned:

Understand and your right. I just thought it would help fine tuning the letter I'm composing.

[mustangwomyn]

Understand and your right. I just thought it would help fine tuning the letter I'm composing.

Not a problem I am always willing to help when I can, but when it comes to my Medical situation I don't want the world to know the details.

But on that note if you need help with the points I used I'll be happy to provide them again if you can't find it.

On another note I've gotten the read receipt from every council member I emailed & the only one that has bothered to respond is Chris Nevitt, doesn't mean they won't in the future.:cool:

[wkhey4]

Not a problem I am always willing to help when I can, but when it comes to my Medical situation I don't want the world to know the details.

But on that note if you need help with the points I used I'll be happy to provide them again if you can't find it.

On another note I've gotten the read receipt from every council member I emailed & the only one that has bothered to respond is Chris Nevitt, doesn't mean they won't in the future.:cool:

Found the points. Thanks for your input and we all need more people like you to represent our cause with the people who will decide our fate..