Midwest outdoor grow log (starting in mid August) tips?

[altectech]

Hi everyone. I'm new here and have checked out some grow logs and thought I'd post my own. This is my first grow and the idea came very late and because of which, I started the grow very late. They were germinated on the 17th of August and planted in small plastic cups filled with fox farm ocean forest potting soil on the 20th overnight.

Started with 9 Burmese Kush seeds, 1 didn't pop at all, another cracked but pretty much remained stagnant.

Since then, it appears another seemed to have been severely damaged during potting and is also out of the race. The current state of the plants are in the following pics.

I've also gotten replacement seeds for the cups of the dead/unpopped ones. All seeds are feminized. The replacement seeds were different strains, including Onyx, Him. Blue Diesel, and Blue Hash.

The pics were taken after 36 hours in the soil outside.

I will post updates as it progresses, however, I have questions on whether or not I should use nutes for veg states if it is so late in the year, and likely to flower early. I was recomennded to just use the fox farm big bloom nutes, and not to worry about using tiger bloom or grow big from fox farm.

Also, I'm concerned about pH, should I be this early in the grow? I heard the type of water you use can also affect pH levels, I think I might invest in a pH monitor, any practical cheap ones anyone knows of?

[altectech]

additional pics:

Also notice on one of the pics the stem is in focus and is reddish in color. Is this normal? Also pic 21 is the one that is severely damaged, not sure if it will still grow.

Also notice on the tips of some of the leaves it is black. Also one of them is not symmetrical at all, with two large leaves and one small leaf. Is this due to it being feminized? Any thoughts? Thanks.

[altectech]

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[TokinTebow]

You have no hope for growing, sorry bud... If you dont understand everything about growing its pointless to do so do you know about the flowering stage???

femenized seeds mean its a good chance that they'll be females although stores lie sometimes... its too late to grow outdoors anyways cannabis cant live under 60 degrees you shoulda started them in april...

oh and quit being paranoid lol

[altectech]

Yes I am familiar with the flowering stage, and where I live, it will remain 70 plus degrees until mid-late october. Not sure why you ask about the flowering stage man. And this is mostly an experiment to see what will happen, I've already accepted that it is likely I won't get much out of it, if any, but doesn't hurt to try.

[LetsSeeYa]

Yes I am familiar with the flowering stage, and where I live, it will remain 70 plus degrees until mid-late october. Not sure why you ask about the flowering stage man. And this is mostly an experiment to see what will happen, I've already accepted that it is likely I won't get much out of it, if any, but doesn't hurt to try.

You can get aquarium strips to check Ph. I would not use ferts in till after 3 weeks, then dilute any ferts used after they have been in the ground for at least 3 weeks.

I would think that once they get some leaves they will begin to bud soon after so im thinking a small, but ok yield for it being so late in the season.




Good luck:rasta:

[drudown11]

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yeah because absoulutely no one on this site grows weed. we just fake it.


If the feds are coming, not even your disclaimer can save you.

[altectech]

Hey drudown11, thanks for the tip! Your information is valuable and necessary, thanks to your help, I'm able to live a better life! You're so smart drudown11, now please go troll else where.


I have pics of the past couple days with nice growth, but it doesn't appear this thread has a lot of interest... so I'm contemplating even bothering to post them.

[Stomper420]

Go ahead and post up, Id like to see where this goes. Good luck brother, big or small:thumbsup:

[middieman440]

hey man you should have of started them inside under some cfl lights on 24/7 for about 3-4 weeks then put them outside and they would start to flower....but you didnt no biggie,you may or may not get a harvest but if you do, it wont be much from each plant but it will be better than nothing....some of the people here are kinda to into themselves <mostly some kids who think they know everything.....but as you said its an experiment...i started one begining of august and its about a foot tall now......

but please post whats going on with your hobby people will respond and give advice,just ask for it.....and dont mind the rudeness...\

and you say you have till the end of oct so you should get something....

but if you can take those cups inside get a few cfl lights from wal-mart and a clamp light and some y connectors plug it in and let them veg under the lights for a few weeks then put them outside either in the ground or in 3 gallon pots,etc.....

good luck with your grow i will follow along as much as i can and give advice if im able to...there are people here who been doing this for many years and know there shiznit......i know the basics and then some and learn more every year/grow....no one knows everything....

GOOD LUCK

and yeah save those seeds for next season,dont waste them this yr...unless you grow indoors stay with the ones you got and hope for the best

[altectech]

Thanks everyone for the positive response!

I've decided to organize the cups by numbers and will take individual cup pictures per day. There are 9 cups total, Cups 1, 3, and 4 are the strains Onyx, Himalayan Blue Diesel, and Blue Hash respectively. These girls were started about a week later and are still in the germination period. Cups 2, 5-9 are Burmese Kush. Like I said in a previous post, all seeds are feminized.

Now in order to play catch up I will now post all previous logs I had been keeping.

Day 7 (Day 3 in soil)

Not watering plants today, may have overwatered previous day as I had watered twice the day before. I hope to allow the soil to dry a little bit in order for the roots to want to branch out more to seek out water. The soil had been excessively damp.

No sign of germination in the fresh seeds of cups 1, 3 and 4 (they were planted the night before directly into soil without prior germination)

The most surprising to me is that it seems cup 2 had lost all its leaves but perhaps they were just hiding. Refer to the picture in a previous post where one of the plants appears to have nothing but a shiriveled mess of leaves. Now today it looks healthy as the others.

Cup 5 was thought to have 3 leaves but one of the cotyledons was actually just stuck to the stem with mud (I had covered many plants with mud by mistake and believe it had damaged many of them and stunted leaf growth). I attempted to remove the mud from cup 5's leaf but I accidentally tore it off! :(

Cup 6 looks fantastic, the second set of true leaves is now visible with more leaf growth. Cups 7-9 are progressing nicely, cup 9 has begun showing a small set of leaves as well.

Both cup 2 and 9 only have 3 leaves due to mishandling. Cup 7 has damage along the underside of one cotyledon which may be stunting its otherwise healthy growth. The damage is a tear in the middle of the leaf, but it is still attached. I bent the plant stems for a little bit in order to stimulate growth (as I heard that works?)

Cup 4 seems VERY muddy and I wonder if that is why it has been unsucessful so far in germinating or producing any sprouts.

Pictures:

[altectech]

More Day 7 pics (Day 3 in soil):

Cup 9 and group shot

[altectech]

Day 8 (Day 4 in soil):

Backyard sprinklers had been running every morning which had been partially hitting my plants. I noticed that may be the reason the plants are seemlingly always damp/wet.

I began fertilizing today with 'Fox Farm Big Bloom' which is a flowering fertilizer. Both Fox Farm and Cervantes in his horticulture book have suggested using flowering fertilizer in the seedling growth stage very lightly twice a week for 3 weeks until vegetative growth begins.

I used a very small concentratioon of 6 tsp / gal of water and lightly watered the plants.

I removed cup 1, 4, 8, and 9 to examine the soil as much mud seemed to have been packed in by my own mistake. Removed seedlings from 8 and 9 and replaced almost all soil in order to remove mud. Plant 8's root system was longer and seemed healthier than 9's - which had a shriveled end on the root tip possibly from remaining too dry for too long during germination in paper towel.

Checked planted seeds in cups 1, 3, and 4 which were onyx, HBD, and blue hash respectively. Cup 3 had a very successful germination. I readjusted the sprout to face downward and removed some mud from the soil. A caterpillar (very tiny one) was roaming in cup 3, I promptly kicked his ass. I had to spend a lot of time search for cup 1's seed and eventually found it after about 20 mins of looking. I put cup 1's seed (Onyx) in a germination bowl for now as it only appears to be slightly cracked open but not quite germinated.

Cup 4 had also sucessfully germinated in the soil and was placed back in the soil after mud removal, sprout down.

Cup 2 seems to be doing very well, I'm happy I didn't discard it after the first day as it looked like it was a goner. Cup 6 didn't appear to have much growth today, but perhaps its roots did? Normal growth rates for all other plants. Hopefully they make the rest of the week without getting eaten in its current vulnerable state before transplanting to larger containers.

Hopefully plants also don't burn from the fertilizer!


Evening Update:

As of 5 hours after feeding, no apparent nute burn is present in any plant.

Also, cup 1's seed (Onyx) which was in a wet paper towel for germination has successfully been germinated as well with a small tap root sticking out. I will let it stay in the paper towel for another day before transplanting.



Recap of cups:

CUP 1: Onyx (still germinating)

CUP 2: Burmese Kush

CUP 3: Himalayan Blue Diesel (still germinating)

CUP 4: Blue Hash (still germinating)

CUPS 5 through 9: Burmese Kush

Pictures:

[altectech]

Additional pics:

Cup 9 and group shot


Also, if you guys could help me with what's goin on with cup 8's leaf curving?

[middieman440]

hey man dont give them any nutes at all they do not need it you will kill them before they even grow......dont feed them untill they have at least 3 sets of big leafs

[altectech]

Right, but the people that kill their plants by nuting too early are using vegetative fertilizer. I'm using flowering. Fox farm says on their feeding schedule to do this so I'm just following what they tell me! :P

[Stomper420]

Id wait on the nutes bro. They are newborns. Just my .02:rastasmoke:

[altectech]

Hey, just went out and took some pics, looks like plant 9 is hurting really bad, had upward leaf curl, also with cup 8 as well. Cup 9 also has a VERY weak stem now and is barely standing up. Might have rough handled it too much during soil replacement, same with 8. Perhaps just transplant shock as well? We shall see. Nutes didn't appear to cause any damage, all plants with the exception of 8 and 9 (which I handled yesterday) look like a healthy growt. I will continue to use the fert twice a week for the next 3 weeks. Cup 6 looks healthy as ever along with 2. No sprouts yet on cup 3 or 4. Will put cup 1 out in the sun tomorrow. Almost all cups are showing their second set of true leaves.

Pics:

[altectech]

Cup 9 here:

[boulderbud5525]

you're using big bloom and your plants aren't even out of the infant stage? dude, try again next spring, these babies aren't going anywhere.

[altectech]

I appreciate your pessimism, but once again, this is an experiment, and I'll see what comes of it.

Also, why is everyone telling me not to put on big bloom? Please refrer to fox farm's website and you can see they say to use it on the seedling stage. But I'm sure you know better than the company itself, boulderbud5525.

http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/FoxFarm-soil.pdf


Also, this is taken directly from the Marijuana Grower Bible for indoor/outdoor growers by Cervantes:

"Fertilize with a mild flowering solution for germination and seedling growth. Change to a high-nitrogen formula during the vegetative stage and back to a "super-bloom" when the long nights induce flowering." Pg 137 Ch. 7

[sunbiz1]

I appreciate your pessimism, but once again, this is an experiment, and I'll see what comes of it.

Also, why is everyone telling me not to put on big bloom? Please refrer to fox farm's website and you can see they say to use it on the seedling stage. But I'm sure you know better than the company itself, boulderbud5525.

http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/FoxFarm-soil.pdf


Also, this is taken directly from the Marijuana Grower Bible for indoor/outdoor growers by Cervantes:

"Fertilize with a mild flowering solution for germination and seedling growth. Change to a high-nitrogen formula during the vegetative stage and back to a "super-bloom" when the long nights induce flowering." Pg 137 Ch. 7

Put those plants in an indoor South window, then grow indoors.

[middieman440]

we give him propper advice but ignores it..oh well not my money being wasted

[sunbiz1]

we give him propper advice but ignores it..oh well not my money being wasted

Yep, the dude is about 4 months behind schedule.

[altectech]

Gee thanks, I didn't realize that. I think I've said 3 times now I know I'm starting late this is mostly an experiment... sooo? Can you leave it alone and enjoy my log without your incessant bigotry, kthx.

[boulderbud5525]

I appreciate your pessimism, but once again, this is an experiment, and I'll see what comes of it.

Also, why is everyone telling me not to put on big bloom? Please refrer to fox farm's website and you can see they say to use it on the seedling stage. But I'm sure you know better than the company itself, boulderbud5525.

http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/FoxFarm-soil.pdf


Also, this is taken directly from the Marijuana Grower Bible for indoor/outdoor growers by Cervantes:

"Fertilize with a mild flowering solution for germination and seedling growth. Change to a high-nitrogen formula during the vegetative stage and back to a "super-bloom" when the long nights induce flowering." Pg 137 Ch. 7

they want to sell their shit so they tell you to use it all the time. kinda of like lather, rinse, repeat, use more shampoo buy more shampoo. keep in simple and save your dollas!

[drudown11]

Hey drudown11, thanks for the tip! Your information is valuable and necessary, thanks to your help, I'm able to live a better life! You're so smart drudown11, now please go troll else where.


I have pics of the past couple days with nice growth, but it doesn't appear this thread has a lot of interest... so I'm contemplating even bothering to post them.



ok you want advice, ill give it.



You're just now sprouting your seeds when the majority of us already have buds growing. You're about 3 monthes late dude, and those seedlings arent going to give anything worth while(thats if they even finish). Maybe a 20 sack or so. I highly doubt that they will even finish flowering outside because theyre so young. Theres 3 weeks of flowering that you have already missed out on.
Your wasting your time. Wait until next summer, do some reading and research, and get things started in late spring.

[Stomper420]

He will figure it out. Lets see how far this goes:stoned:

Good luck:thumbsup:

[Bataleon420]

I like your determination! We all understand its a experiment, were just saying don't dump any more money into it until you need to. I live in the midwest too and its starting to cool off so I hope the best for your plants! The only thing is that all my outdoor plants, and other growers plants are at least 5+ feet tall and in the second or third week of flowering, so the only thing I would worry about is if they make it to flowering, will they be harvestable before the heavy cold and frost set in around mid fall. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst. I spent all season growing an 8 foot tall monter only to find out it was male, soooo yeah. But besides that good luck!

[StickyBuds1987]

hey man seedlings of that size already have there own natural nutes no matter what fox farm says you might wanna listen to the ppl growing on here

so id say dont add any nutes till they are at least 3 or 4 weeks old get them away from your sprinklers or you run a very high risk of your plants getting root rot and then they will die

[altectech]

Update: Day 11

Hey guys, haven't made an update for awhile. Was moving and had to transfer plants. I now currently have them in a more secure location as advised from someone who posted and put them on a window sill.

Cup 6 is looking very nice! Cup 7 and 8 have been damage from before and have had a very slow start in life but are doing well for the amount of stress they have gone through. Cup 1 is my baby, a result of correcting all the previous mistakes in all the other seeds. As you can see, Cup 1 is almost surpassing cup 7 and 8 and its almost a week younger than them.

Cup 1 is the strain Onyx. The others are all Burmese Kush.

All other cups have died during transport and/or other unforeseen reasons.

All the plants seem to be taking the nutes fairly well. I've already fed them with fertilizer three times now. I may have partially burned cup 8 though. Well here's how they look now:

[Stomper420]

Hmm, they are cute. Keep at it. Youll get something out of it if nothing else, youll learn something:thumbsup:

[altectech]

Hello everyone! Sorry haven't been keeping up to date, been busy.
Day 41:
I just took some pictures and they look very nice as of today.

The larger burmese kush has already grown to a whopping 9 inches with just over a month since being planted into the ground. The onyx is at 5 inches after 4 weeks planted in ground. The other two burmese kush I've determined to have a clear root damage that was suffered during germination. The plant has managed to work with this setback and is just growing very.... small.

Even though the smaller burmese kush are already on their 5th set of leaves, they are about 4 inches tall and very thin.

I've been using Big Bloom on the plants 2-3 a week at a 6tsp/gal concentration. I think I will keep at it with this fertilizer as not only does it make a noticable difference, the plants should be going into flowering soon as it is already fall.

Also, side note, the larger burmese kush was damaged slightly due to emergency moving and I had to trim off a partial leaf on the top, is that ok? Also, I accidentally overbent the stem towards the bottom awhile ago and caused it to make a tiny hole that leaked water. The plant seems to have compensated for this and grew around it but still has a tiny brown hole where it originally was.

I also topped the plant about a week ago, I did it poorly as I took too much off but it is now giving the desired result and branching. Not sure if the reason why it took so long is because I chopped too much off or because the stem was ruptured during the same time?

I plan on moving these babies outside in a REAL container later this week.


Pictures:

(For some reason I can't upload pictures, keeps saying error, although I meet the parameters to upload the file in jpeg format...)

[altectech]

Sorry that's day 31 I meant in my previous post, not 41

[altectech]

So after examining my Onyx today, I noticed little white hairs coming out from the top internode of the plant!!! SUCCESS!!! In less than a month already enter pre-flowering. My burmese kush is still growing and though a week older than the Onyx, it has still not entered pre-flowering yet, but should be soon. I REALLY need to transplant these guys, way too big for these tiny cups! I'm so sorry but the site will not let me upload pictures, I've tried resizing, renaming, even using a dif account, nothing is working. I'm not sure but I'll keep trying. I took nice pics of these hairs though! More updates as they come :)

[colinzx6]

Hey man keep up the good work. I would just upload the pictures to like tinypic and then just put on the link! Me and some friends at college were bored so we started some plants yesterday. I got a bunch of bag seeds so not a big deal if we dont get anything.

Im starting mine inside on a window ledge. I'm doing this as an experiment also but going to do everything i can on maximizing the yield.

Im planning on following the LST to the model as well. I have a plant going back home and ill try to put a picture up of it. Its just random bag seed. It came from mids which makes me wonder how it came out like this. I can vouch and say that we only checked it like maybe once a week if that just because its hidden and didnt want to give away the spot.

Anyway keep up with the log and maybe ill start one

http://i54.tinypic.com/iz4zdh.jpg

This is a zoomed in picture because we didnt LST or nothing so it just shot straight up and was luckily a female. Alot of the stems and such are purple!

[mikey2000c]

hey altectech i also have a plant i started on the 1st of august to prove a point to my room mate. would love to see those pics you have for day 31 :) get them up!! all the best

Mikey

[altectech]

So I just took these pics today and I'm using tinypic now.

The shorter onyx plant is flowering at 4 locations now, and the larger burmese kush has begun to have asymmetrical branching, but still no sign of sexing. Funny, because the onyx has already begun flowering and it is still symmetrical branching. Just odd I guess.

The other two stunted ones I won't focus on in pics, but they are still growing... slowly but surely they grow... Can't wait to see it in flowering (or even its yield haha)

I'm still fertilizing these guys every other day, but I've heard to fertilize more frequently when in small containers, I'm still kind of stuck with these small containers, and even if I did move them into larger containers at this point, would it even matter considering they've already begun flowering? I'm using half cup per gallon of water concentration of big bloom every day now. I want these to finish quickly as it will get too cold in late october so I'm guessing 3-4 weeks of flowering time should be enough for such small plants?

And I'm going to leave them inside on the window sill until harvest as at this point I feel like it would be too cold outside, and the product will probably be nicer if left inside where it is warmer and less pests.


Also, the big burmese kush is on day 38 in soil, the smaller onyx is day 32 in soil.

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[l3igHazeToker]

nice bro, the two big ones look good, cant wait to see em in buddin stage, or even when there taller, nice plantz good look wit em bro

[GetThisOrDie]

You should transplant into a bigger container asap.

Alot of windows now have special coatings and film on them to reflect alot of energy back out. The natural sun would be best. They need at least 6-8 hours of direct sunlight to yield something decent.

Hope you can work something out with them!

[altectech]

Hey everyone!

So haven't updated in awhile but some news:

The large burmese kush ended up being male so it has been tossed. However, the two stunted plants have been confirmed as females and my onyx seems to be progressing nicely in the flowering stage. The trichomes appear to be mostly clear and only slightly milky but I'm not sure how much longer it will be until I should harvest them. I'm keeping them in cups and indoors for security reasons and also because it is getting very windy and cold now.

Also, how much do you think I'd get out of the onyx (the one thats budding)? Thanks!

Pics:

[gypski]

Hey everyone!

So haven't updated in awhile but some news:

The large burmese kush ended up being male so it has been tossed. However, the two stunted plants have been confirmed as females and my onyx seems to be progressing nicely in the flowering stage. The trichomes appear to be mostly clear and only slightly milky but I'm not sure how much longer it will be until I should harvest them. I'm keeping them in cups and indoors for security reasons and also because it is getting very windy and cold now.

Also, how much do you think I'd get out of the onyx (the one thats budding)? Thanks!

Pics:

If you are talking about the first picture, you will be lucky to get a quarter oz, if that's the only bud and that's letting it go longer. Shrinkage is about 75% of water weight/volume. Use that as a gage or rule of thumb at this point. :thumbsup: