Go growers...what do you think....

[puntacometa]

..........about the $2500.00 per lb. grow contracts being proposed by some dispensaries? I'm not naming names, but this seems to be the first attempt at price fixing.

So I'm wondering......does this mean that I load my crop up in a panel van, drive it to the dispensary, unload it, we cut the plant off at the base of the stalk, weigh it and then I am paid $2500.00 per lb based on 1/4 the wet weight of the entire plant, I get paid on the spot while the revenue agent with a gun watches and the dispensary becomes responsible for hanging/trimming/drying and curing?

[copobo]

just say no. new revenue streams will soon open up for you, with much less red tape.

[puntacometa]

just say no. new revenue streams will soon open up for you, with much less red tape.

It only makes sense at these prices if the dispensary...errr......make that the "center", buys the whole plant and they are responsible for processing the entire thing into it's various kinds of products.....bud, kief/hash, oils, botanicals made from the leaves, etc. This processing is time consuming and expensive for a grower. This should be the domain of the "center" not the grower....especially at prices anywhere below $3600.00 per lb.

[COzigzag]

..........about the $2500.00 per lb. grow contracts being proposed by some dispensaries? I'm not naming names, but this seems to be the first attempt at price fixing.

So I'm wondering......does this mean that I load my crop up in a panel van, drive it to the dispensary, unload it, we cut the plant off at the base of the stalk, weigh it and then I am paid $2500.00 per lb based on 1/4 the wet weight of the entire plant, I get paid on the spot while the revenue agent with a gun watches and the dispensary becomes responsible for hanging/trimming/drying and curing?

It's odd you posted this because I had a discussion about this very thing with another grower/caregiver about a month ago. We were discussing whether this would be legal or not. We were just kicking around ideas.

[puntacometa]

It's odd you posted this because I had a discussion about this very thing with another grower/caregiver about a month ago. We were discussing whether this would be legal or not. We were just kicking around ideas.

I grow for over 20 patients. I have to pay a crew to process my bud right now. Will these costs be covered by the "center"? I hope to hell that this law is challenged in court and a judge shitcans the whole thing. It's totally asinine and impractical.

[donnadanko]

I grow for over 20 patients. I have to pay a crew to process my bud right now. Will these costs be covered by the "center"? I hope to hell that this law is challenged in court and a judge shitcans the whole thing. It's totally asinine and impractical.

So you're keeping all your patients?

Whats happens if someone gets caught over the limit, I heard of people getting fined and going to jail for a while?

[puntacometa]

So you're keeping all your patients?

Whats happens if someone gets caught over the limit, I heard of people getting fined and going to jail for a while?

No. I've got until July 1. I've already notified my patients of the imminent changes. I'm just trying to decide whether or not to work my ass off for nothing, pay a bunch of exhorbitant fees, have the Dept. of Revenue looking up my arse with a laser scope or to scale things way back and just grow for a select few patients who will appreciate my efforts at providing them the best possible medicine that my efforts can produce. If you're a grower with over 30 flowering plants, you already know how much work it is, especially if you're a dirt grower and you're humping water heavy 25 gallon pots in and out of a blackout shed twice a day. If you're not getting paid jack shit and you're getting hassled by a bunch of fucking bureaucrats, where is the point of diminishing returns? That's what I'm deciding right now.

[donnadanko]

No. I've got until July 1. I've already notified my patients of the imminent changes. I'm just trying to decide whether or not to work my ass off for nothing, pay a bunch of exhorbitant fees, have the Dept. of Revenue looking up my arse with a laser scope or to scale things way back and just grow for a select few patients who will appreciate my efforts at providing them the best possible medicine that my efforts can produce. If you're a grower with over 30 flowering plants, you already know how much work it is, especially if you're a dirt grower and you're humping water heavy 25 gallon pots in and out of a blackout shed twice a day. If you're not getting paid jack shit and you're getting by a bunch of fucking bureaucrats, where is the point of diminishing returns? That's what I'm deciding right now.

I had just started growing, put up with bull from the dispensaries and now this. I'm going to cut down and grow for my 5 until these laws get worked out. I really think they are going to cut out small dispensaries and growers and take over this industry, get every penny for themselves.

The sad part is these people that really need the meds and can't pay their ransom.

[puntacometa]

I had just started growing, put up with bull from the dispensaries and now this. I'm going to cut down and grow for my 5 until these laws get worked out. I really think they are going to cut out small dispensaries and growers and take over this industry, get every penny for themselves.

The sad part is these people that really need the meds and can't pay their ransom.

Keeping it small has it's advantages as long as your patients will generously compensate you for your labors. The new law attempts to make a caregiver lose money in an attempt to put him/her out of business by placing stupid non-profit language in the law, but there is no way in hell that I can stop my patients from paying me a consulting fee and labor charges as part of the overhead cost of production.

Sorry....I probably should have never started this thread. I'm very tired and curmudgeonous today.

[copobo]

don't anyone accept any $2500 contracts. let them grow it!

[donnadanko]

don't anyone accept any $2500 contracts. let them grow it!

I feel like an ass, I was letting mine go for $2000 before all this.:(

[rightwinger]

..........about the $2500.00 per lb. grow contracts being proposed by some dispensaries? I'm not naming names, but this seems to be the first attempt at price fixing.

So I'm wondering......does this mean that I load my crop up in a panel van, drive it to the dispensary, unload it, we cut the plant off at the base of the stalk, weigh it and then I am paid $2500.00 per lb based on 1/4 the wet weight of the entire plant, I get paid on the spot while the revenue agent with a gun watches and the dispensary becomes responsible for hanging/trimming/drying and curing?



I think I would just sit back and let the smoke clear a little here. In the first place--dispensories are required to grow 70% of their own. If you look at the economics of that--meaning they will have to hire employees-or refer to growers as employees-meaning fica payroll taxes--unemployment insurance--workman's compensation insurance--etc.--plus the economics of growing a plant which is very expensive---and now state license fees- local fees, etc.--it's not to hard to see that the price per oz. is going to dramatically rise.

To add--many dispensory owners are little concerned (the 100 plant) that the feds may enforce.

[COzigzag]

Keeping it small has it's advantages as long as your patients will generously compensate you for your labors. The new law attempts to make a caregiver lose money in an attempt to put him/her out of business by placing stupid non-profit language in the law, but there is no way in hell that I can stop my patients from paying me a consulting fee and labor charges as part of the overhead cost of production.

Sorry....I probably should have never started this thread. I'm very tired and curmudgeonous today.

I'm glad you started this thread.

I had my heart in the right place when I started this venture. I searched and found low-income people who could not afford the doctor's fee and state application fee. Those patient's got their cards free and clear from me....now referred to by myself as S-U-C-K-E-R! I shelled out for 4 people/patients. One buys from me on a regular basis. One patient found out he couldn't tolerate smoking it due to a 30-year cigarette habit that he just quit. I just offer smoke at this time. He is going to the dispensaries and buying edibles and capsules....bless his heart, at least he's honest. The other 2 won't return my emails...pretty sure what's going on there. They're surfing the dispensaries.

So, now I have 4 patients and only 1 buys. I can't legally sell it to the dispensaries. I can get 1 more patient but I need one that will actually buy it from me. The state can't give me any guidelines for dropping patients off my caregivership. What a mess.

I've invested a butt load of time and money into this venture for absolutely nothing at this point.

The only joy I've had is watching the plants grow. Too bad they'll be going in the trash!

Sorry, just frustrated.

[rightwinger]

I think I would just sit back and let the smoke clear a little here. In the first place--dispensories are required to grow 70% of their own. If you look at the economics of that--meaning they will have to hire employees-or refer to growers as employees-meaning fica payroll taxes--unemployment insurance--workman's compensation insurance--etc.--plus the economics of growing a plant which is very expensive---and now state license fees- local fees, etc.--it's not to hard to see that the price per oz. is going to dramatically rise.

To add--many dispensory owners are little concerned (the 100 plant) that the feds may enforce.

And all of this could have been handeled so "easily" by requiring that independant growers go through a criminal background check--and requiring that dispensory owners file a 1099 on them so they pay federal and state taxes on the income from being independant growers.

Government at work--LOL

[puntacometa]

And all of this could have been handeled so "easily" by requiring that independant growers go through a criminal background check--and requiring that dispensory owners file a 1099 on them so they pay federal and state taxes on the income from being independant growers.

Government at work--LOL

:thumbsup:

[donnadanko]

And all of this could have been handeled so "easily" by requiring that independant growers go through a criminal background check--and requiring that dispensory owners file a 1099 on them so they pay federal and state taxes on the income from being independant growers.

Government at work--LOL

Thats so true! I feel like they just want independent growers out of the picture.

[puntacometa]

I think I would just sit back and let the smoke clear a little here. In the first place--dispensories are required to grow 70% of their own. If you look at the economics of that--meaning they will have to hire employees-or refer to growers as employees-meaning fica payroll taxes--unemployment insurance--workman's compensation insurance--etc.--plus the economics of growing a plant which is very expensive---and now state license fees- local fees, etc.--it's not to hard to see that the price per oz. is going to dramatically rise.

To add--many dispensory owners are little concerned (the 100 plant) that the feds may enforce.

So if I'm sitting on 100 growing plants when the new law goes into effect and I don't have an affiliation with a "center", approximately how far out in the wind is my ass while I sit back and let the smoke clear?

Can these dispensaries even buy my product if it was growing during the hiatus between July 1 and the time I affiliate with a "center"? What is the status of my crop after July 1 if I'm not affiliated with a dispensary? Seems to me that since the caregiver model for over 5 patients is gone, I'm going to have 70+ plants being grown illegally after July 1 if I don't have my ducks in a row.

Also, the price per oz may rise, but I think we all know how much of that price will go into the pocket of the grower. I had a dispensary offer me a $2500.00 contract last year so that they could "reduce the prices to their patients". Total bullshit. They didn't reduce their prices at all. They just screwed the growers who signed up.

[COzigzag]

I would definately get that plant count down somehow. Sell entire plants or something. Your "arse" is too far out in the wind for me.

[copobo]

get edible signoffs.

tell your patients priority will be given to patients with increased plant counts.

there are docs that will sign off for 50 plants and increased weight. 2 of those patients would just about cover it.

BUT, you won't be able to legally sell to dispensaries or folks who aren't your patients.

A friend of mine with 20+ patients is only taking those with increased counts + use 4+ oz's a month.

gotta pay the bills I guess.

For me, scale back... I brought the count and wattage down last week.

[TheReleafCenter]

We're offering contracts that pay up to $3200 for high end buds. Just depends on who you're talking to, I guess.

[puntacometa]

I would definately get that plant count down somehow. Sell entire plants or something. Your "arse" is too far out in the wind for me.

My plant counts are legal on a per-patient basis. I'm not afraid to ride that rail. It's the chance we take relative to State/Fed laws. All that is getting ready to change though...and quickly since in less than a month, I'll be technically out of compliance with State law if I don't partner up with a center. I've been sounding pretty hard on dispensaries in this thread. The reality is that most that I have dealt with have been very good people and I consider some of them to be personal friends of mine. They are in business too and they have lots of expenses as well. There's nothing wrong with them trying to get the best price they can for their product. This law is the problem and I guess I need to remind myself that we are all in this together. Change, especially under these rather unreasonable time constraints, isn't going to be easy. Big grows require big cash flow. If you're doing a perpetual harvest, this makes it necessary to cash out weekly to pay your overhead. The bigger the crop, the bigger the overhead. I've also envisioned a scenario wherein the grower would wholesale part of the crop for an immediate payment and consign the rest for a larger percentage of the net retail sales. Just make sure you don't consign too much and come up short on your operating capital.

[throatstick]

My plant counts are legal on a per-patient basis. I'm not afraid to ride that rail. It's the chance we take relative to State/Fed laws. All that is getting ready to change though...and quickly since in less than a month, I'll be technically out of compliance with State law if I don't partner up with a center. I've been sounding pretty hard on dispensaries in this thread. The reality is that most that I have dealt with have been very good people and I consider some of them to be personal friends of mine. They are in business too and they have lots of expenses as well. There's nothing wrong with them trying to get the best price they can for their product. This law is the problem and I guess I need to remind myself that we are all in this together. Change, especially under these rather unreasonable time constraints, isn't going to be easy. Big grows require big cash flow. If you're doing a perpetual harvest, this makes it necessary to cash out weekly to pay your overhead. The bigger the crop, the bigger the overhead. I've also envisioned a scenario wherein the grower would wholesale part of the crop for an immediate payment and consign the rest for a larger percentage of the net retail sales. Just make sure you don't consign too much and come up short on your operating capital.

every shop i called to contract with has told me the only growers they would accept is zoned l1,l2 warehouse grow sites.they won't touch a small grow or even a big one if it is in a residential zoned area. reason was because if you contract with them you are somewhat part of the biz and those auditers will be wanting to stop by each and every off site grow area as they plz.


btw to all, if some shop offered me below 4k per i'd say if they paid all the state fees and the site/power/equipment to grow i'd take 3k per lb. and they would still make a killing.cause if you were able to grow for them as part of the 70% which thats what they will be doing with you as you would be an offsite grow for them.even if they put up 15k/20k or whatever it takes on the return of only paying 3k per lb per they would make that back first grow cycle.

casue after the state fees and equipment is paid all they would be paying would be electric and site rent. say 2k/3k per month they would have to pay.for a 10light setup.they would still be way ahead.but all that i called even mark now is only looking for growers that are already setup in a l1,l2 zoned warehouse/shop/grow area.+ pay all the state fees + pay rent,lights,nutes,equipment,have a tax id#,business lic,llc/scorp.so on all of that up front then wants you to contract with them for only 2500/3000 per.sounds like an outright your my bitch "now":S1: slap in the face to me wow.

[cowgirl1]

..........about the $2500.00 per lb. grow contracts being proposed by some dispensaries? I'm not naming names, but this seems to be the first attempt at price fixing.

So I'm wondering......does this mean that I load my crop up in a panel van, drive it to the dispensary, unload it, we cut the plant off at the base of the stalk, weigh it and then I am paid $2500.00 per lb based on 1/4 the wet weight of the entire plant, I get paid on the spot while the revenue agent with a gun watches and the dispensary becomes responsible for hanging/trimming/drying and curing?

They can kiss my @#@!#$ I am not and will not sell to them for 2,500 a pound. I will keep my same plant count and go underground. The dispensaries can pay 2500 dollars for some cheap ass weed which in return will get the patient pissed off and will in return come to me and will also cost the state even more money in lost tax revenue.

[relaxalot]

every shop i called to contract with has told me the only growers they would accept is zoned l1,l2 warehouse grow sites.they won't touch a small grow or even a big one if it is in a residential zoned area. reason was because if you contract with them you are somewhat part of the biz and those auditers will be wanting to stop by each and every off site grow area as they plz.


btw to all, if some shop offered me below 4k per i'd say if they paid all the state fees and the site/power/equipment to grow i'd take 3k per lb. and they would still make a killing.cause if you were able to grow for them as part of the 70% which thats what they will be doing with you as you would be an offsite grow for them.even if they put up 15k/20k or whatever it takes on the return of only paying 3k per lb per they would make that back first grow cycle.

casue after the state fees and equipment is paid all they would be paying would be electric and site rent. say 2k/3k per month they would have to pay.for a 10light setup.they would still be way ahead.but all that i called even mark now is only looking for growers that are already setup in a l1,l2 zoned warehouse/shop/grow area.+ pay all the state fees + pay rent,lights,nutes,equipment,have a tax id#,business lic,llc/scorp.so on all of that up front then wants you to contract with them for only 2500/3000 per.sounds like an outright your my bitch "now":S1: slap in the face to me wow.

I've talked to many dispensaries and have found the same thing... NONE of them will associate with growers now unless they are in industrial zoned building, LLC, etc. Many of them even seem giddy about it. Greedy fuckers.

In the future, I think the smart and resourceful "patient" will not be buying their weed from dispensaries... At least not if they want quality. This whole bill (1284) is an epic failure. I hope it comes back to haunt every SOB that thought it was a wonderful idea. Many of these backers were the dispensaries that post on these very same boards.

[donnadanko]

I've talked to many dispensaries and have found the same thing... NONE of them will associate with growers now unless they are in industrial zoned building, LLC, etc. Many of them even seem giddy about it. Greedy fuckers.

In the future, I think the smart and resourceful "patient" will not be buying their weed from dispensaries... At least not if they want quality. This whole bill (1284) is an epic failure. I hope it comes back to haunt every SOB that thought it was a wonderful idea. Many of these backers were the dispensaries that post on these very same boards.

I know of a few dispensaries you're talking about that have posted here. I think if growers were to organize and stand up not only for themselves but the cardholders, we could put enough pressure on the state and the dispensaries to get some say.

If I were smart enough I would have the balls to do it. But I'm not a leader:( We need someone who can speak out for us and the patients. Anyone here think they can do it? Please someone give it try!

[cowgirl1]

I've talked to many dispensaries and have found the same thing... NONE of them will associate with growers now unless they are in industrial zoned building, LLC, etc. Many of them even seem giddy about it. Greedy fuckers.

In the future, I think the smart and resourceful "patient" will not be buying their weed from dispensaries... At least not if they want quality. This whole bill (1284) is an epic failure. I hope it comes back to haunt every SOB that thought it was a wonderful idea. Many of these backers were the dispensaries that post on these very same boards.

I agree I have heard more then one person say they did not want weed growen from a warehouse setting. Patients are in it for the quality not the quanity. I think more then one dispensary will regret doing the big warehouse shops. Plus not counting if the dea picks them as the one to use as an example. Maybe by the time the owner, the grower and the dis manager get out of jail weed will be legal across the usa.

[throatstick]

I agree I have heard more then one person say they did not want weed growen from a warehouse setting. Patients are in it for the quality not the quanity. I think more then one dispensary will regret doing the big warehouse shops. Plus not counting if the dea picks them as the one to use as an example. Maybe by the time the owner, the grower and the dis manager get out of jail weed will be legal across the usa.

it's even taken the last hold out.greatful meds is even going this path now.im not knocking them tho it's either play ball or shut down shop.i understand sum have no choice. but most of them act like it's christmas or something.

all i can say is i hope the good and just stay safe and i hope the dirty ones karma x10 fold......in a swift and fast way.

[lampost]

Warehouse grow = BEASTERS
:(:(:(

[canaguy27]

so who is up for starting a dispenso geared to sell to others to supply that 30%? or is it too late? don't we have until 7-1?

all have ownership etc, etc

i can get all the gear we need.

[donnadanko]

so who is up for starting a dispenso geared to sell to others to supply that 30%? or is it too late? don't we have until 7-1?

all have ownership etc, etc

i can get all the gear we need.

All I could bring to the cause is my grow and help, heres my e-mail if you could use me [email protected]

[greengorillaz]

so who is up for starting a dispenso geared to sell to others to supply that 30%? or is it too late? don't we have until 7-1?

all have ownership etc, etc

i can get all the gear we need.

I have a 5000 square facility properly zoned in Denver County. Looking to partner with peeps who want to stay afloat.

hit me up with what you have to offer. It cost me $18,000 to secure this lease.

[COzigzag]

I have time and $5,000.00 to contribute. I can get Harvest Master Controllers at a great price direct from Aukland. Plus, all the other stuff a grower has already.

[throatstick]

WISH I COULD don't have the money atm,all i have is 2 4ft t5's, 4000khps grow setup and alot of strains to work with"60+.

i have the knowledge,time,equipment so if i can be of help in this im game...

[donnadanko]

WISH I COULD don't have the money atm,all i have is 2 4ft t5's, 4000khps grow setup and alot of strains to work with"60+.

i have the knowledge,time,equipment so if i can be of help in this im game...

I'll totally be one of the company bitch's, only problem is im in southern colo. I go up to Denver a lot but maybe not enough. I just don't want them to win!

[throatstick]

I'll totally be one of the company bitch's, only problem is im in southern colo. I go up to Denver a lot but maybe not enough. I just don't want them to win!

im south of denver too...

[copobo]

there are going to be some disappointed customers in a month or so.

wait till you see the shit selection there is.

you can't learn to grow over night, and the supply chain just got turned on it's ass.

just wait and see what happens to demand.

right about now, I would consider opening a grow shop...

[canaguy27]

right about now, I would consider opening a grow shop...

done and done. it is very hard to get a wholesalers in the metro area now. they are all moving here too.

[canaguy27]

I have a 5000 square facility properly zoned in Denver County. Looking to partner with peeps who want to stay afloat.

hit me up with what you have to offer. It cost me $18,000 to secure this lease.

you have a dispenso space or a grow op?

[greengorillaz]

you have a dispenso space or a grow op?

I have a grow facility that can be used as a retail center, a grow facility and an edibles production facility, or a combination of all three.

The problem with the dispensary being located at the grow, is you can only use 10% percent of the space for the grow.

With a sea of green in 500 square feet, I can at a minimum produce 8lbs every two weeks. If I of course have several monster phenos in my group of mamas, I can do much better.

I had a 1 hour visit with Warren Edson yesterday and despite what many of you here say, he's okay in my book. HB 1284 sucks for many of us here and of course many livelyhoods are at stake. Despite the fact that this bill sucks ass, there are loopholes you can drive a truck thru.

[Zedleppelin]

I'll totally be one of the company bitch's, only problem is im in southern colo. I go up to Denver a lot but maybe not enough. I just don't want them to win!


But you want to grow for them? There was a time I would have been ok with that but between the big money dispensaries pushing this bill and all the other arrogant ex-McDonald punk owners that act like they have us by the balls everytime we try to vend something I say fuck them, they don't deserve my meds. A dispensary that I had been vending to for two years offered me a contract for $2300 a lb even though everything I have ever brought them they have never marked at under $60 an eight. If I would have taken that a year from now they would negotiate that down to $2000 and so on. I dont want to have anything to do with these greedy bastards and a lot of them will fail. As time goes by less and less people are going to jump through the hoops to get or keep their card, who's going to lose and who's going to gain with that situation? The black market is going to be the biggest its ever been in a few months.

[donnadanko]

But you want to grow for them? There was a time I would have been ok with that but between the big money dispensaries pushing this bill and all the other arrogant ex-McDonald punk owners that act like they have us by the balls everytime we try to vend something I say fuck them, they don't deserve my meds. A dispensary that I had been vending to for two years offered me a contract for $2300 a lb even though everything I have ever brought them they have never marked at under $60 an eight. If I would have taken that a year from now they would negotiate that down to $2000 and so on. I dont want to have anything to do with these greedy bastards and a lot of them will fail. As time goes by less and less people are going to jump through the hoops to get or keep their card, who's going to lose and who's going to gain with that situation? The black market is going to be the biggest its ever been in a few months.

You have a point but I think cannaguy and the rest of them are trying to find a way to stay in the game. This might be a way for independent growers to still stick around. It really doesn't make a difference in my world, I got nothing to offer. I still have a dispensary thats going to buy my extra, nothing big. But I would like to see a few people come out ok. I want growers to succeed so they have to recognize you as an important part of this business. I know what you're telling me, I don't want them to win but supplying them would surly help them make their money. I guess I mean, I dont want them to succeed in pushing growers out.

[cannamanibus]

I feel like an ass, I was letting mine go for $2000 before all this.:(

Sorry, i couldnt read any further. 2 points i want to make. 1 for you and 1 for me.

You- Damn, that is crazy, but im supporting A+ REAL meds, not half ass shit. The more i read general grow op threads, sounds like alot of ppl cant grow A+ for some reason. Jus putn it out there.

Me- That you just helped me switch my point of view on what i said about lowering the price to what basically what you were already doing. Once i read it and seen(or is that saw) someone was doing it, It hurt me, cause alot of work goes into GOOD meds. I honestly believe the harder you work during a crop finessing each plant, the better the quality is for some reason, i mean duh!.

Point being, i guess for it to be profitable at that price, their will need to be sufficient amount of light:cool:. Everyone involved in this whole thing is really involved in a movement as a whole and the mmj part of it is just a good front for media and getting it started b/c it is just a business, really.



Obviously, everyone is damn near in it for the money, but why not. Every business is. period. Don't put all this medical bullshit on the front like all these damn people are sitting here running MMJ businesses. Your sellng weed out of a storefront, call it what you want to call it. lol It will be like liquor soon. i mean it is. I don't think it needs ALOT of regulation, b/c it will regulate itself. Everyone will pour in and the strong survive, welcome to America. Now, I have up-most respect for EVERY SINGLE disp, owner,grwr who is doing it good and morally, B/c YOU are a huge part of the movement. Thanks in that part. One more thing, The price WILL have to come down, b/c its illegal in TX. and it's THE SAME PRICE. What's wrong with that picture?

Alright i quit, Hope i got some kind of point across. :stoned:

[canaguy27]

With a sea of green in 500 square feet, I can at a minimum produce 8lbs every two weeks. If I of course have several monster phenos in my group of mamas, I can do much better.

Check your reputation. :thumbsup:

[donnadanko]

Sorry, i couldnt read any further. 2 points i want to make. 1 for you and 1 for me.

You- Damn, that is crazy, but im supporting A+ REAL meds, not half ass shit. The more i read general grow op threads, sounds like alot of ppl cant grow A+ for some reason. Jus putn it out there.

Me- That you just helped me switch my point of view on what i said about lowering the price to what basically what you were already doing. Once i read it and seen(or is that saw) someone was doing it, It hurt me, cause alot of work goes into GOOD meds. I honestly believe the harder you work during a crop finessing each plant, the better the quality is for some reason, i mean duh!.

Point being, i guess for it to be profitable at that price, their will need to be sufficient amount of light:cool:. Everyone involved in this whole thing is really involved in a movement as a whole and the mmj part of it is just a good front for media and getting it started b/c it is just a business, really.



Obviously, everyone is damn near in it for the money, but why not. Every business is. period. Don't put all this medical bullshit on the front like all these damn people are sitting here running MMJ businesses. Your sellng weed out of a storefront, call it what you want to call it. lol It will be like liquor soon. i mean it is. I don't think it needs ALOT of regulation, b/c it will regulate itself. Everyone will pour in and the strong survive, welcome to America. Now, I have up-most respect for EVERY SINGLE disp, owner,grwr who is doing it good and morally, B/c YOU are a huge part of the movement. Thanks in that part. One more thing, The price WILL have to come down, b/c its illegal in TX. and it's THE SAME PRICE. What's wrong with that picture?

Alright i quit, Hope i got some kind of point across. :stoned:

I have grade A meds, if your in Southern Colo you can check them out. I never sold mine to dispensaries by the pound. Most my meds went to card holders for free. I would sell a few onces here and there to cover costs of growing. It would have been nice to have made more money to buy more of the stuff I needed to grow. I started doing this because I needed the meds and my cousin has cancer, that is now in his bones. I didn't mean I would have liked making a ton of money because I felt I deserved it.

[cowgirl1]

Sorry, i couldnt read any further. 2 points i want to make. 1 for you and 1 for me.

You- Damn, that is crazy, but im supporting A+ REAL meds, not half ass shit. The more i read general grow op threads, sounds like alot of ppl cant grow A+ for some reason. Jus putn it out there.

Me- That you just helped me switch my point of view on what i said about lowering the price to what basically what you were already doing. Once i read it and seen(or is that saw) someone was doing it, It hurt me, cause alot of work goes into GOOD meds. I honestly believe the harder you work during a crop finessing each plant, the better the quality is for some reason, i mean duh!.

Point being, i guess for it to be profitable at that price, their will need to be sufficient amount of light:cool:. Everyone involved in this whole thing is really involved in a movement as a whole and the mmj part of it is just a good front for media and getting it started b/c it is just a business, really.



Obviously, everyone is damn near in it for the money, but why not. Every business is. period. Don't put all this medical bullshit on the front like all these damn people are sitting here running MMJ businesses. Your sellng weed out of a storefront, call it what you want to call it. lol It will be like liquor soon. i mean it is. I don't think it needs ALOT of regulation, b/c it will regulate itself. Everyone will pour in and the strong survive, welcome to America. Now, I have up-most respect for EVERY SINGLE disp, owner,grwr who is doing it good and morally, B/c YOU are a huge part of the movement. Thanks in that part. One more thing, The price WILL have to come down, b/c its illegal in TX. and it's THE SAME PRICE. What's wrong with that picture?

Alright i quit, Hope i got some kind of point across. :stoned:

If you research the prices across the usa they are pretty much the same price give or take a little for good stuff in states were it it legal and illegal.
I have talked with a lot of growers and a lot of them will start selling under ground and already doing it at the same price they have been selling at. The state will lose money from tax revenue. "SOME" fo the dispensary will suffer if they stay with the 30/70 and "some" will suffer with quailty if they try to stay legal.

[donnadanko]

[quote=donnadanko]I have grade A meds, if your in Southern Colo you can check them out. I never sold mine to dispensaries by the pound. I just figured at 200 an oz it came out to under that. Most my meds went to card holders for free. I would sell a few onces here and there to cover costs of growing. It would have been nice to have made more money to buy more of the stuff I needed to grow. I started doing this because I needed the meds and my cousin has cancer, that is now in his bones. I didn't mean I would have liked making a ton of money because I felt I deserved it. (How do you edit stuff on this forum anyway)?

[donnadanko]

im south of denver too...

Where about?

[throatstick]

You have a point but I think cannaguy and the rest of them are trying to find a way to stay in the game. This might be a way for independent growers to still stick around. It really doesn't make a difference in my world, I got nothing to offer. I still have a dispensary thats going to buy my extra, nothing big. But I would like to see a few people come out ok. I want growers to succeed so they have to recognize you as an important part of this business. I know what you're telling me, I don't want them to win but supplying them would surly help them make their money. I guess I mean, I dont want them to succeed in pushing growers out.

besides alot of shops have been buying there meds from outta state.so they did'nt give a shit about the local growers anyways.wonder how they will make it now??

[COzigzag]

[quote=donnadanko]I have grade A meds, if your in Southern Colo you can check them out. I never sold mine to dispensaries by the pound. I just figured at 200 an oz it came out to under that. Most my meds went to card holders for free. I would sell a few onces here and there to cover costs of growing. It would have been nice to have made more money to buy more of the stuff I needed to grow. I started doing this because I needed the meds and my cousin has cancer, that is now in his bones. I didn't mean I would have liked making a ton of money because I felt I deserved it. (How do you edit stuff on this forum anyway)?

The system only gives you 10 minutes (I believe) after you post something to edit it otherwise you are just stuck with what you wrote. Next time you post, go back to your post and you will see an edit box that is right next to the quote box. If the edit box isn't there, you are too late and the system won't let you edit.

[donnadanko]

Hi greengorillaz, please contact BMMD (Boulder Medical Marijuana Dispensary) at (303) 449-2663 and ask for Mike, tell him Dave sent you :thumbsup:


Did greengorillaz just get an offer?

[rightwinger]

So if I'm sitting on 100 growing plants when the new law goes into effect and I don't have an affiliation with a "center", approximately how far out in the wind is my ass while I sit back and let the smoke clear?

Can these dispensaries even buy my product if it was growing during the hiatus between July 1 and the time I affiliate with a "center"? What is the status of my crop after July 1 if I'm not affiliated with a dispensary? Seems to me that since the caregiver model for over 5 patients is gone, I'm going to have 70+ plants being grown illegally after July 1 if I don't have my ducks in a row.

Also, the price per oz may rise, but I think we all know how much of that price will go into the pocket of the grower. I had a dispensary offer me a $2500.00 contract last year so that they could "reduce the prices to their patients". Total bullshit. They didn't reduce their prices at all. They just screwed the growers who signed up.

First of all I wouldn't be sitting on 100 plants---you're in DEA territory there--and if you got busted no amount of 1284 is going to keep you out of jail. When you go to a federal court--in defense--you can't even mention you were growing for medical marijuana patients. So don't get comfortable with large grows.

If you are currently a caregiver---only grow the amount of plants you are permitted to grow--stay out of the spot-light and wait this one out.

Even the Department of Revenue stated this is going to take several months to figure out. Doing anything else right now--is just chasing our tails.

[puntacometa]

[quote=rightwinger]First of all I wouldn't be sitting on 100 plants---you're in DEA territory there--and if you got busted no amount of 1284 is going to keep you out of jail. When you go to a federal court--in defense--you can't even mention you were growing for medical marijuana patients. So don't get comfortable with large grows.

Your point is well taken.


If you are currently a caregiver---only grow the amount of plants you are permitted to grow--stay out of the spot-light and wait this one out.

Am I a caregiver now? I've got lots of patients. Are they really still my patients?


Even the Department of Revenue stated this is going to take several months to figure out. Doing anything else right now--is just chasing our tails.

Understood. I made some adjustments to the unit numbers yesterday to keep in line with 16 patients.

[canaguy27]

Did greengorillaz just get an offer?

looks like it. where are you green?

[Zedleppelin]

What is a 'Go Grower'?

[COzigzag]

Hi everyone, I'm new here but have been posting on other forums for a few years now and have been growing for many years.

I'm nervous about HB1284 too, It's been a fairly cool ride operating as a legal caregiver the last few years. But, at the same time, I'm secretly excited about the potential new changes. Hear me out.

When I first started growing (mid 90's) I was getting $4400/lb, no negotiations, and could not grow enough to keep up with demand. I was never asked what strain it was. I never heard any complaints. I only had to meet with 1, sometimes 2 people a month. I fished a lot.

As a legal caregiver I have slightly sick, mostly stoopid (pun intended) patients who are extremely entitled and demanding. My patients want me to grow a dozen different strains so they can pick the 1 or 2 that turned out the best that run and then they leave me stuck with the B's until I have to blow em out for $800/qp to the dispensaries before the next harvest.

My patients see all the desperate new caregivers/dispensaries come onto the scene offering free everything and want me to compete with all these phantom freebies of unknown quality.

Dealing with dispensaries as a vendor has not been very pleasant either. The huge influx of growers to CO has definitely given the power to the dispensaries. If it's between paying the bills or holding out for a fair price, everyone is going to do what it takes to pay the bills eventually.

I predict that within a short time there will be a lot less growers and there will also be far fewer licensed patients since very few will comply with SB109 hoops. But, there will still be just as many folks smoking the ganja. So do the math. Supply goes down, legal patients stop renewing, demand stays constant.

Yes, start pointing fingers and throwing eggs, I'm the one grower in CO who is secretly excited about the passing of hb1284. I'm going to try and have the best of both worlds for sure now. With a few pieces of window dressing on my wall giving me a legal defense for my grow, as well as, higher profits for my produce on the newly invigorated CO black market, I see a bright future ahead for those of us with the balls and the skills to pay the bills.

I'm glad you got the warm and fuzzies!

Be safe.

;)

[Zedleppelin]

Hi everyone, I'm new here but have been posting on other forums for a few years now and have been growing for many years.

I'm nervous about HB1284 too, It's been a fairly cool ride operating as a legal caregiver the last few years. But, at the same time, I'm secretly excited about the potential new changes. Hear me out.

When I first started growing (mid 90's) I was getting $4400/lb, no negotiations, and could not grow enough to keep up with demand. I was never asked what strain it was. I never heard any complaints. I only had to meet with 1, sometimes 2 people a month. I fished a lot.

As a legal caregiver I have slightly sick, mostly stoopid (pun intended) patients who are extremely entitled and demanding. My patients want me to grow a dozen different strains so they can pick the 1 or 2 that turned out the best that run and then they leave me stuck with the B's until I have to blow em out for $800/qp to the dispensaries before the next harvest.

My patients see all the desperate new caregivers/dispensaries come onto the scene offering free everything and want me to compete with all these phantom freebies of unknown quality.

Dealing with dispensaries as a vendor has not been very pleasant either. The huge influx of growers to CO has definitely given the power to the dispensaries. If it's between paying the bills or holding out for a fair price, everyone is going to do what it takes to pay the bills eventually.

I predict that within a short time there will be a lot less growers and there will also be far fewer licensed patients since very few will comply with SB109 hoops. But, there will still be just as many folks smoking the ganja. So do the math. Supply goes down, legal patients stop renewing, demand stays constant.

Yes, start pointing fingers and throwing eggs, I'm the one grower in CO who is secretly excited about the passing of hb1284. I'm going to try and have the best of both worlds for sure now. With a few pieces of window dressing on my wall giving me a legal defense for my grow, as well as, higher profits for my produce on the newly invigorated CO black market, I see a bright future ahead for those of us with the balls and the skills to pay the bills.


I agree with everything except for one thing, I dont think there are going to be that many fewer growers. Current growers *may* grow less but I'm not even sure about that. All the growers I know I have not heard one say they are going to stop. I do think a lot of both patients and growers will go back to the black market so hopefully one will take care of the other and prices will stabilize but I doubt they will go up much.

Things were definitely starting to get out of control with everyone and their mom (literally) growing with dollar signs in their eyes so in that aspect I'm glad, hopefully 1284 will stop every pizza delivery guy and McDonalds worker from lighting up their basement from now on.

[Zedleppelin]

Just wait, you'll see. When you have to know people to move weight and can't just drive around town with a backpack and a map the newbie growers will go back to delivering pizza.


When I started growing I also couldnt grow enough, but as time went on the few people I depended on slowly came across other growers and started using them as leverage to get cheaper prices and everyone started getting into variety. I hope you're right because I get tired of some of the bullshit that goes along with some of this.

[copobo]

soon, people in new mexico will be complaining about co-buds.

[throatstick]

Yes, because that's what happens in a free market. But it's no longer a free market. Risks and costs are going back up. When the newbies doing this stuff out in the open start getting taken to the ground by a team of gestapo drug task force agents, word will get around and then everything will come tumbling down but the prices. The next 6 months will be an awesome time to find used grow equipment on CL. Bye bye everyone, have a safe drive back to __________.

thats why i have laughed at the bone heads that said 6 months ago that in 2 months the bottom was gunna fall out and nothing would be over 50 an oz lmao.still makes me chuckle

[greengorillaz]

looks like it. where are you green?

I didn't get an offer, it was more like I'll take your name and number. I have secured a deal, just not with these guys.

Why can't the growers that do remain and go the legal route form some kind of union or co-op and set our prices?

Most commodities have a set price. If you go to a pharmacy and buy little blue or yellow pills for whatever ails you, pharmacy A doesn't deeply discount in order to compete with pharmacy B.

Growers have some bargaining power now, we have what the MMC's need in order to stay in business. No longer will they be able to strongarm us into ridiculous prices because they have 100 basement growers they can buy from.

I've heard over and over about how much overhead the dispensaries have and in order to compete, they need product well below the $3000.00 a lb mark. I don't disagree with the fact they have overhead. I've heard many say it's just a weed and monkeys can grow weed. I've seen a dozen vendors hit one dispensary in a matter of a couple hours and watched as one grower let his meds go for $2100.00 an lb, ridiculous!

As we growers get into compliance with HB 1284 and align with a dispensary, our costs to produce AAA meds will skyrocket. The rent alone on a properly zoned facility with a cool landlord has tripled in price. How in the hell can I let my product go for less than $3200.00 a lb and stay afloat?

I'd be more than happy to sell them my AAA meds for $2500.00 a lb if they pay all the cost's associated with the grow.

Seriously folks, we have some power back in our possession and if we can stick together, we can be fairly compensated and prosper.

My 2 cents. Peace!

[canaguy27]

I wonder how many people are going to get resistant mites or worse, a bad case of PM from those inspectors going around from grow to grow to grow.

If I ran a dispenso grow op. I would make those bastards scrub in and wear a full suit bc of this reason.

[throatstick]

Yeah, anything less than $200/oz is ridiculous. Hell 200/oz is fairly ridiculous and a great deal for the dispensaries if your meds are B or better. If you are growing fire and selling for less than $225/oz I don't get it. Dispensaries are offering insulting contract rates. I don't want to contract with a dispensary anyway because I don't want my grow regularly terrorized by douche bags from the state. I wonder how many people are going to get resistant mites or worse, a bad case of PM from those inspectors going around from grow to grow to grow.

yup so i don't get why these places seem so happy.if their grow goes south they will be fucked.no more aww shit our crop is gone"any caregivers out there have any come on in we need your stock".