mechanism for caregivers to limit their patients

[copobo]

okay, so technically... anyone could name me their caregiver and I would never be notified.

For caregivers who are going to stay at or under the 5 patient limit... is there a way for them to be sure they are compliant? What if you had to let a few patients go, and they didn't re-up with another caregiver? Will the auditors with guns be showing up?

[COzigzag]

okay, so technically... anyone could name me their caregiver and I would never be notified.

For caregivers who are going to stay at or under the 5 patient limit... is there a way for them to be sure they are compliant? What if you had to let a few patients go, and they didn't re-up with another caregiver? Will the auditors with guns be showing up?

I was wondering the same thing.

What if a caregiver wanted to "change" patients due to whatever circumstance. What's the process?

So many questions, so little available information.

[GratefulMeds]

I was wondering the same thing.

What if a caregiver wanted to "change" patients due to whatever circumstance. What's the process?

So many questions, so little available information.

Ya but they want to ram complience thru as qick as possible, I guess we will see.

[Zedleppelin]

You wouldnt be growing for them anyway because your plant count would be limited to 5 patients.

[TurboALLWD]

I think ledzeplins right on this..

[throatstick]

You wouldnt be growing for them anyway because your plant count would be limited to 5 patients.

is it everyone is only allowed 5 per or 5 per to stay low key?

[PolishPotFarmer]

If you live in where there is a ban in effect, and you get this exception to 16 patients, what are you subject to as far fees, new rules, etc?

I'm so confused and sad. Wouldn't they satisfy most folks by limiting to 16 rather than 5? It would also keep you away from the 'leveling up' on the federal level. We are only talking about 60 freaking plants, is the devil weed really still that scary?? A lot put that 100 plant count on themselves anyway.

[Zedleppelin]

If you live in where there is a ban in effect, and you get this exception to 16 patients, what are you subject to as far fees, new rules, etc?

I'm so confused and sad. Wouldn't they satisfy most folks by limiting to 16 rather than 5? It would also keep you away from the 'leveling up' on the federal level. We are only talking about 60 freaking plants, is the devil weed really still that scary?? A lot put that 100 plant count on themselves anyway.

I thought they dropped the 16 patient limit and replaced it with 5 months ago. I didnt see anything in the bill about an exception in banned areas, did I miss something?

[COzigzag]

I thought they dropped the 16 patient limit and replaced it with 5 months ago. I didnt see anything in the bill about an exception in banned areas, did I miss something?

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(6) Patient - primary caregiver relationship. (a) A PERSON
SHALL BE LISTED AS A PRIMARY CAREGIVER FOR NO MORE THAN FIVE
PATIENTS ON THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA PROGRAM REGISTRY AT ANY GIVEN
TIME; EXCEPT THAT THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY MAY ALLOW A PRIMARY
CAREGIVER TO SERVE MORE THAN FIVE PATIENTS IN EXCEPTIONAL
CIRCUMSTANCES. IN DETERMINING WHETHER EXCEPTIONAL
CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST, THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY MAY CONSIDER THE
PROXIMITY OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA CENTERS TO THE PATIENT. A
PRIMARY CAREGIVER SHALL MAINTAIN A LIST OF HIS OR HER PATIENTS
INCLUDING THE REGISTRY IDENTIFICATION CARD NUMBER OF EACH
PATIENT AT ALL TIMES.

[Zedleppelin]

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(6) Patient - primary caregiver relationship. (a) A PERSON
SHALL BE LISTED AS A PRIMARY CAREGIVER FOR NO MORE THAN FIVE
PATIENTS ON THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA PROGRAM REGISTRY AT ANY GIVEN
TIME; EXCEPT THAT THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY MAY ALLOW A PRIMARY
CAREGIVER TO SERVE MORE THAN FIVE PATIENTS IN EXCEPTIONAL
CIRCUMSTANCES. IN DETERMINING WHETHER EXCEPTIONAL
CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST, THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY MAY CONSIDER THE
PROXIMITY OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA CENTERS TO THE PATIENT. A
PRIMARY CAREGIVER SHALL MAINTAIN A LIST OF HIS OR HER PATIENTS
INCLUDING THE REGISTRY IDENTIFICATION CARD NUMBER OF EACH
PATIENT AT ALL TIMES.

I remember seeing that part and didnt put to much into it, it simply says the Health Dept can make an exception, doesnt say they will. The Health Dept has been anti MMJ since day 1 so I wouldnt put to much into this so called 'exception'.

[copobo]

my concern is if it looks like I have more than 5 at the CDOH, do I get a visit from auditors with guns?

I do believe when challenged (again) the 5 patient limit will be gone.

How long would a petition for an exception take to get from the CDOH? 6 months plus?

[starter09]

There's been some media attention to how far behind the CDPHE/MMJ Registry is in processing but it's really incomplete as to what the real situation is. My understanding is that they're getting 1,000 ltrs/day avg, and this includes applications, changes, & renewals. They're currently processing "300 applications" per day. Maybe those seriously underworked temps are also working on changes/renewals?

I'd love to see just how far behind they are in processing each category, see where their priorities are, but either no reporter is asking or they refuse to answer.

I think this could have a huge impact as the State ramps up enforcement - the data they will be operating on could be so out of date that it's useless as factual information. (Just one more area for lawyers to get rich on.)

MMJ Center/small caregiver/patient - how will State know who has how many patients legally? Arrest 'em all and let the lawyers sort it out will probably be the practice in places like North Metro. Anyone think they'll wait to get full/reasonably current information before starting enforcement and money collection?

I don't know how typical I am (probably not very - I'm a Nam Vet, not a kid) but I've sent CDPHE the following: original papers, 2 Nov 09; Change of caregiver forms on 31 Nov 09, when I realized the place I got Drs recc signed me on without asking/explaining and found someone else; 12 Dec 09 when my new caregiver told me he couldn't keep his grow (leo issues); 2 Mar 10 when I finally gave up looking for a caregiver I liked/trusted and changed to "NONE". (I sent certified cy of changes to each affected "caregiver" each time)

I got my actual Red Card on 4/19 good for one year, it reflects original dispensary owner as caregiver. Will I get a new Card with each change to the Registry? Or some sort of acknowledgment? Has anyone who submitted a change of caregiver form since say September 09 gotten acceptance from the Registry?

The bureaucratic growth required in this bill is mind-boggling. IMHO this is designed to create some "licenses to print money" for the big money boys and set up targets for leo, sort of a high-stakes gamble on when legalization will occur. That's a formula for getting Romer elected Denver Mayor ($ + LEO). Kinda pleases, kinda pisses off both sides, modern democracy in action, representing only big money/big govt.

[puntacometa]

There's been some media attention to how far behind the CDPHE/MMJ Registry is in processing but it's really incomplete as to what the real situation is. My understanding is that they're getting 1,000 ltrs/day avg, and this includes applications, changes, & renewals. They're currently processing "300 applications" per day. Maybe those seriously underworked temps are also working on changes/renewals?

I'd love to see just how far behind they are in processing each category, see where their priorities are, but either no reporter is asking or they refuse to answer.

I think this could have a huge impact as the State ramps up enforcement - the data they will be operating on could be so out of date that it's useless as factual information. (Just one more area for lawyers to get rich on.)

MMJ Center/small caregiver/patient - how will State know who has how many patients legally? Arrest 'em all and let the lawyers sort it out will probably be the practice in places like North Metro. Anyone think they'll wait to get full/reasonably current information before starting enforcement and money collection?

I don't know how typical I am (probably not very - I'm a Nam Vet, not a kid) but I've sent CDPHE the following: original papers, 2 Nov 09; Change of caregiver forms on 31 Nov 09, when I realized the place I got Drs recc signed me on without asking/explaining and found someone else; 12 Dec 09 when my new caregiver told me he couldn't keep his grow (leo issues); 2 Mar 10 when I finally gave up looking for a caregiver I liked/trusted and changed to "NONE". (I sent certified cy of changes to each affected "caregiver" each time)

I got my actual Red Card on 4/19 good for one year, it reflects original dispensary owner as caregiver. Will I get a new Card with each change to the Registry? Or some sort of acknowledgment? Has anyone who submitted a change of caregiver form since say September 09 gotten acceptance from the Registry?

The bureaucratic growth required in this bill is mind-boggling. IMHO this is designed to create some "licenses to print money" for the big money boys and set up targets for leo, sort of a high-stakes gamble on when legalization will occur. That's a formula for getting Romer elected Denver Mayor ($ + LEO). Kinda pleases, kinda pisses off both sides, modern democracy in action, representing only big money/big govt.

I have 20 patients. Most of them signed up after December 09 when I decided to accept patients other than my wife. Some of them were change of caregiver. Only two of them have received licenses.