Arizona: Taking Immigration Into Their Own Hands

[Islandborn]

Doing the job the Feds wont.

Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/23/AR2010042301250_pf.html)

A response to the Feds failure on immigration.....im sure it will be challenged in court due to the "supremecy clause"......but Article IV section 4 of the Constitution says the US will garauntee each state a republican form of Govt. & protect it from invasion and domestic violence. Sounds like a fun legal case to follow. Texas should follow suit.

[wolfgar]

quite the topic...scares the hell out of politicians.
There is a lot of ways to look at it. News coverage on this is generally filled with inflaming content. I was watching PBS just now and from what i understand no case will go to court before mid july. This is going to be debated for a very long time. Since the US is a better place to seek employment than most south american countries (something that US companies have been profiting on for decades) why demonize the ppl who are in the us illegally. i do think it would be good for there to be no illegals in the us. i just get aggravated when ppl start complaining about the economic ramifications without recognizing that the money flow was to american bussiness from american tax payers, not an accident. sry for the long rambling post:stoned:

[palerider7777]

i find it funny when people like obama and friends call it racial profiling.um just for those who need a history check it is the mexicans that are illegal when they cross over in america. you can't really go to a white or black person and ask hey are you sure you're not from mexico?come on cut the bullshit ya bunch of fuckheads. this has been long overdue anyone that is for illegals in america cannot be for you're family and other legal americans.most illegals come over here rape rob and steal,then take jobs and btw for anyone that does'nt know they also send most of the money they make back to mexico.thats taking money out of our country.the fact is they don't come to america to help better america or help build it they come here to take from it.now sure im sure there might be a slect few that come here that are good people but not most.

for every illegal that comes here for work is 1 less job for the american people.now im sure there are some in america that says hey they are just taking the shit jobs no one wants.to that i say bullshit it's the illegals that make those jobs shit.they come in and lower the whole pay scale for everyone else only because they will do it for alot less.you would think with all the mexican pride they all have they would be happy in their own country?

i mean it does'nt make sense, man homes im mexican viva mexico well everyone but us mexicans.....

[RedLocks]

Any Americans worried about illegals taking their job, I have a suggestion from them.. Go get a GED!!

[RedLocks]

Any Americans worried about illegals taking their job, I have a suggestion from them.. Go get a GED!!

oops, for them haha, irony

[RedLocks]

Any Americans worried about illegals taking their job, I have a suggestion for them.. Go get a GED!!

Was thinking about this and realized this was somewhat unfair of mi to say. The inability to perform simple mathematics isn't always the problem, some people are so stupid no amount of education will sink in. Other than that, some more suggestions would be, stop being so lazy, and many times fat and lazy and stop abusing drugs and alcohol.

Over the years, these have all been the top reasons I've seen why Americans got fired or just never came back after the first couple of days, some lasted a week or two but always, the type of people who wish to fill a job position that a illegal immigrant is able to fill with little or no understanding of the English language, all were guilty of one or more of the before mentioned problems.

[RoundEye]

What is most upsetting about this is that the Fed doesn't like what they are doing in AZ, if they were serious about protecting the USA they would applaud. It is showing them as complacent in their duty to protect the borders. What is it about "illegal" that these idiots don't understand. These are not immigrants, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS. And why is the Mexican government so upset about our desire to protect against their people coming over? Just insane.

My wife saw most of her family die and had to sit in a refugee camp for a year before being allowed entry. Then there was a long wait to become a citizen. Why should it be any different for any of these people in Mexico? If they want entry, go the way everyone else has to.

[JaggedEdge]

How does anyone support this? They are making it illegal for immigrants to walk around without their immigration documents on them. With this law, if a LEGAL immigrant gets stopped by the police and does not have his documents on him, he can be arrested. I imagine most people on this forum would not appreciate being arrested simply for walking down a street while not having their drivers license on them.

This certainly sounds like it will promote civil liberties in this country, I tell you what. This is simply making it much easier for the government harass legal immigrants, not simply the illegal ones.

By the way, what the fuck happened to, "Give me your tired, your poor,. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."

[killerweed420]

Yeah there is going to be a shitload of lawsuits over this and the insurance company won't pickup the tab, the tax payers will have to.

[RedLocks]

How does anyone support this? They are making it illegal for immigrants to walk around without their immigration documents on them. With this law, if a LEGAL immigrant gets stopped by the police and does not have his documents on him, he can be arrested. I imagine most people on this forum would not appreciate being arrested simply for walking down a street while not having their drivers license on them.

This certainly sounds like it will promote civil liberties in this country, I tell you what. This is simply making it much easier for the government harass legal immigrants, not simply the illegal ones.

By the way, what the fuck happened to, "Give me your tired, your poor,. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."

Yeah dude I was just thinking about this shit while I was watching the news.. Reminds mi of Columbia, where you have to walk around with proof that you have serve d in the military already or be thrown into a military truck and join the army there and then..

[oldmac]

Just recently an old, long time rancher near the border was murdered by what was probably a drug mule. What makes it even worst, Mr Krentz could only walk with the use of a cane due to a recent hip replacement. He was a sweet and gentle man, who had helped illegals before, providing them with water and even food. His last radio communication to his son, was that he thought he saw someone in distress and was going to check them out and see if they needed any help. He was not a confrontational sort at all, and was more concerned with helping the unfortunate....legal or illegal.

This story was picked up by the NY Times on April 5th.

Knowing people in that area, and having visted there, you would not believe the amount of garbage that is left along the trails of what used to be a beautifull area. After that murder, and the amount of crime and crap the border communities have put up with, virtually every man, women and even children are packing guns! It is not right for them to have to live like that.

If the federal government won't protect the border the state should. That is far better then the people themselves taking the matter into thier own hands. :twocents:

[palerider7777]

Was thinking about this and realized this was somewhat unfair of mi to say. The inability to perform simple mathematics isn't always the problem, some people are so stupid no amount of education will sink in. Other than that, some more suggestions would be, stop being so lazy, and many times fat and lazy and stop abusing drugs and alcohol.

Over the years, these have all been the top reasons I've seen why Americans got fired or just never came back after the first couple of days, some lasted a week or two but always, the type of people who wish to fill a job position that a illegal immigrant is able to fill with little or no understanding of the English language, all were guilty of one or more of the before mentioned problems.

so from the looks of it you are calling mexicans dumb asses?hummm:thumbsup:

[palerider7777]

i guess i'll have to spell it out since alot of people like to look at the small picture.

the reason the feds have never done anything to protect our boarders mainly mexico.is because that would cut off the real money making going on that the cia is balls deep into.being that the mexican boarder is the main entry point for drugs that are flown into mexico from around the world.can we say afganistan poppy fields? can we say reason why the us is in war and the reason they are over there now?:cool:

[palerider7777]

Yeah there is going to be a shitload of lawsuits over this and the insurance company won't pickup the tab, the tax payers will have to.

yea im thinking i should go to mexico and then come back as an illegal so i can cash in on america too? i don't get how people in america kiss every other country's ass and it's people yet treat our own like shit.:cool:

[RedLocks]

so from the looks of it you are calling mexicans dumb asses?hummm:thumbsup:
Only if your reading comprehension is at a Kindergarten level... :D

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Any Americans worried about illegals taking their job, I have a suggestion for them.. Go get a GED!!not everyone is cut out for the white collar life. not all of us blue collar slobs are drooling morons, condemned by our stupidity to a life of substandard wages. some of us choose the trades over an office cubicle because this is what we do best and enjoy most. i've watched as the construction industry has been taken over by predominantly hispanic crews that refuse to allow a white boy to even get a foot in the door. i've watched as entry level jobs became permanently occupied by folks who can't form a coherent sentence in the english language. i've watched as young men and women were refused employment because menial jobs in the service industries, where many of them used to be employed, were taken by a flood of illegal immigrants.

the simple fact is that this nation's first responsibility is to its citizens. their welfare and employment takes precedence over caring for our neighbors' poor, no matter what you may think of their choice of occupation.

[RedLocks]

not everyone is cut out for the white collar life. not all of us blue collar slobs are drooling morons, condemned by our stupidity to a life of substandard wages. some of us choose the trades over an office cubicle because this is what we do best and enjoy most. i've watched as the construction industry has been taken over by predominantly hispanic crews that refuse to allow a white boy to even get a foot in the door. i've watched as entry level jobs became permanently occupied by folks who can't form a coherent sentence in the english language. i've watched as young men and women were refused employment because menial jobs in the service industries, where many of them used to be employed, were taken by a flood of illegal immigrants.

I'm not saying any different. I've been doing Construction since age 16, I do mainly outdoor masonry, cement, retaining walls, pavers, etcetc. I'm just saying, over the past years I have seen plenty of white boys come in, and quickly go out because they were totally useless and all had one or more of the problems that I mentioned. Maybe if their forman wasn't such a dick and dealt better with idiots they would have lasted longer :D

I'm sure some other industries besides mine there is a problem where worthwhile citizens can't get work because of the problem with illegal immigrants. So again I am probably being unfair, it could possibly only be my profession that the Americans trying to get the jobs would still be unemployable if a virus swept the world and killed all Latinos :D

[JaggedEdge]

i've watched as the construction industry has been taken over by predominantly hispanic crews that refuse to allow a white boy to even get a foot in the door. i've watched as entry level jobs became permanently occupied by folks who can't form a coherent sentence in the english language. i've watched as young men and women were refused employment because menial jobs in the service industries, where many of them used to be employed, were taken by a flood of illegal immigrants.

the simple fact is that this nation's first responsibility is to its citizens. their welfare and employment takes precedence over caring for our neighbors' poor, no matter what you may think of their choice of occupation.

You seem to imply the influx of illegal immigrants is they only reason they are working jobs Americans want. Have you ever considered the minimum wage could be a major contributing factor in this as well? If we eliminated the minimum wage, American citizens who desperately need work would be able to compete with the mexicans who are willing to work for less than minimum wage. As it stands now, if you are a legal citizen, no matter how inefficient an employee you are, the company has to pay at least $7.25/hr.

All throughout American history, the newest immigrants have been despised. We hated the Italians, Jews, Asians, Blacks, etc at some point in our history because "they were destroying our nation."

Regardless, one solution is to eliminate minimum wage, this way legal citizens can compete for the jobs without infringing on another's liberties.

[Islandborn]

Here is a story from Arizona showing how HUNDREDS of Americans showed up and got off unemployment by getting jobs left vacant by illegals.

Hundreds seek to fill vacant positions at Pro's Ranch Market | Phoenix News | Arizona News | azfamily.com | Arizona News (http://www.azfamily.com/news/Hundreds-seek-to-fill-vacant-positions-at-Pros-Ranch-Market-91880224.html)

[delusionsofNORMALity]

All throughout American history, the newest immigrants have been despised. We hated the Italians, Jews, Asians, Blacks, etc at some point in our history because "they were destroying our nation."this isn't about immigrants, it is about illegal immigrants. there will always be a certain segment of society that harbors an irrational bias concerning newcomers, but the vast majority realize we are a nation of immigrants from all over the world. there is a series of hoops to jump through to gain the benefits of u.s. citizenship and those who feel entitled to by-pass them should be despised.

[Islandborn]

A lady who works with my wife just got her citizenship after immigrating from Pakistan about 6 years ago......she has her "diploma" and a flag on her office wall, wife said she wept for 2 days when she became a citizen. My wife's family immigrated LEGALLY from Mexico in 1985, took em about 3 years of hard work to become citizens.....and from their own mouths it was worth every second. They curse the border security and rampant illegal problem we have here, and they are Mexicans.....said its embarrassing.

[Islandborn]

It is kinda ironic watching these lefty open borders folks throw rocks and attack police officers when we have been listening to the media whine and cry about how "dangerous" the tea party is. Yea.......ok.

[RedLocks]

It is kinda ironic watching these lefty open borders folks throw rocks and attack police officers when we have been listening to the media whine and cry about how "dangerous" the tea party is. Yea.......ok.
that's ironic to you? lol

[RedLocks]

i've watched as the construction industry has been taken over by predominantly hispanic crews that refuse to allow a white boy to even get a foot in the door.
Forgot to address this, yes I have seen plenty of this, in fact I guess i am guilty of perpetuating this phenomenon. Never been a problem I ran into though, well people have tried to chase me away, until they found out I could be their worse nightmare. I am rather talented when it comes to talking shit in several languages haha :D Got in a couple of fights, one fight got me my own crew at a new company, another fight just ended up in the lil midget being all buddy buddy with me from here on out.

It always seems the dude that is 5 feet tall is the most confrontational, throwing Mexicans is fun :thumbsup:

I would almost pay to be dealing with this shit right now instead of what I am doing for cash now, another couple of months and hopefully I can get shit back to normal..

[oldhaole]

I love it. This new law of yours will sure help.....The democrats.

Take an entire race and make it legal to stop them and ask for their papers. How positively Nazi of you. Those illegals must be quite the threat. Look back at MLK day. How much did that cost you until you realised how foolish you were?

Do you think this is a winner? Say goodbye to Spring League Baseball. Say goodbye to a lot of tourist dollars that will skip your state. And say goodbye to an entire race of VOTERS across this country. Oh and I hope you can live with the loss of all convention business. And I kiss the Superbowl goodbye too.

In all those illegals I'm sure there are some legals. They will love to be harassesed every day. Good bet after you drive those taxpayers out of state
and empty all those houses, your merchants and Real Estate agent will have a lot of unsold inventory out there. But thats OK. I'm sure AZ doesn't have a recession going on like the rest of the country.

Do you even read the laws you pass? There is a clause in the law that enables a private citizen to sue any official they think is not doing their part to keep the Brown Mennace at bay. I am sure you have lots of money to defend youselves from those lawsuits. Because win or lose you (the pure white) taxpayers will pay.

[JaggedEdge]

this isn't about immigrants, it is about illegal immigrants. there will always be a certain segment of society that harbors an irrational bias concerning newcomers, but the vast majority realize we are a nation of immigrants from all over the world. there is a series of hoops to jump through to gain the benefits of u.s. citizenship and those who feel entitled to by-pass them should be despised.

Yes, but this law will infringe on the rights of legal immigrants. There is also no reason there should be so many hoops to jump through. Do a quick background check and allow people entrance into this country. The only reason our immigration is so inefficient is because it is run by the government.

Also, a solution for the violence would be to legalize drugs, that would limit how many violent mexicans are crossing the border because of the drug trade. We can improve this situation without infringing on the rights of other people.

Why don't we just make the legal Mexicans where a "special armband?" You know, so we all know they are legal and won't be harassed.

This is one more step in the direction of a police state Arizona.

[cannamanibus]

I must say i was pretty stoked to hear this. I was listening to "the box" local rap station this morning and of course 80% of the people that called in were talking shit on the idea. And the stupid dj kep saying. It's now illegal to be illegal in AZ. DO YOU HEAR THE FIRST WORD IN ILLEGAL IMMIGERANT. FCK. lol:jointsmile: But anyways, Im hopn it comes to TX, it's sad 5 yrs ago i refused to learn spanish and went out of my to do so. Now im about to go learn it b/c i have to, to be more functional in society. They already do it down here anyways, it's just not legal and doesnt get brought up. :cool:

[RedLocks]

Why don't we just make the legal Mexicans where a "special armband?" You know, so we all know they are legal and won't be harassed.


Good idea! Here's a rough sketch, tell d I what you think..

[Islandborn]

ummmmm, I bet money NOBODY has even read the bill. Everyone is clearly aware that its ALREADY law that if your a legal immigrant you are required by law to carry your papers correct? For years.

A carefully crafted immigration law in Arizona | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Byron-York/A-carefully-crafted-immigration-law-in-Arizona-92136104.html)

I love the Nazi comments coming from the usual suspects of Big Government supporters though, typical M.O.. Shit.......3 years ago the wife and I drove all over Mexico and were stopped prolly 20 times at checkpoints and forced to get outta the car and show our papers, in mexico. Get over it.

[Islandborn]

Perhaps the Mexican Government should stop printing maps on how to enter this country illegally.....

In Germany under the Nazi's......JEWS were NOT allowed to leave Germany.

[jtsik330]

A country made by immigrants not allowing immigrants.

[RedLocks]

ummmmm, I bet money NOBODY has even read the bill. Everyone is clearly aware that its ALREADY law that if your a legal immigrant you are required by law to carry your papers correct? For years.

A carefully crafted immigration law in Arizona | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Byron-York/A-carefully-crafted-immigration-law-in-Arizona-92136104.html)

I love the Nazi comments coming from the usual suspects of Big Government supporters though, typical M.O.. Shit.......3 years ago the wife and I drove all over Mexico and were stopped prolly 20 times at checkpoints and forced to get outta the car and show our papers, in mexico. Get over it.
Who would those usual suspect be that are supporters of big government may I ask?


(making a prediction right now)

[RedLocks]

ummmmm, I bet money NOBODY has even read the bill. Everyone is clearly aware that its ALREADY law that if your a legal immigrant you are required by law to carry your papers correct? For years.

I wasn't aware that for years it was illegal for the Police to not stop anyone who isn't pink skinned and make them prove their legality.

hey, anyone think this would be a way cool forum avatar?

[palerider7777]

Only if your reading comprehension is at a Kindergarten level... :D

really? well let me break down what you said since you seem to be the one in 1st grade.

[palerider7777]

Any Americans worried about illegals taking their job, I have a suggestion from them.. Go get a GED!!

in this quote you say go get a ged to anyone that fears their jobs would be taken by illegals.i mean i know you were trying to be a smart ass in response to what i said b4 that. but if i needed to go get a ged to keep said job then that would mean that the person the "illegal" in this case had to be a dum dum.cause in the context that you used "go get a ged" you were implying that you would have to be a dummy to loose your job to an illegal.hummm

[palerider7777]

this isn't about immigrants, it is about illegal immigrants. there will always be a certain segment of society that harbors an irrational bias concerning newcomers, but the vast majority realize we are a nation of immigrants from all over the world. there is a series of hoops to jump through to gain the benefits of u.s. citizenship and those who feel entitled to by-pass them should be despised.

no matter how hard you try, sometimes you just can't fix stupid...

[RedLocks]

in this quote
Unfortunately that isn't the quote you initially addressed making your whole reply here a waste of your and my time in my humble opinion. Although, my original post may have appeared that I was trying to be a smart ass, I feel certain my follow up clarification cleared that up explaining exactly why I think the Americans I don't work with are unfit to hold the position their non-English speaking counter parts fill, and they fill said positions with many times the proficiency that most Americans can. Of course there are always the exception since I was born here and have neve been anything except a laborer, and I think DelusionsOfNormality implied he was in a field of work similar to my regular employment.

[oldhaole]

Perhaps the Mexican Government should stop printing maps on how to enter this country illegally.....

In Germany under the Nazi's......JEWS were NOT allowed to leave Germany.

BUZZZZ..... Wrong answer. Durring the period between 1934 and 1937 Jews were leaving Germany in droves. The problem was that there were very few countries willing to take them. My uncle was one of them. Know what you are talking about. Not that I care, but you are just showing ignorance.

And yes I read the bill. What a clusterf##k. AZ stands to lose billions of dollars. Sometimes it takes a good kick in the wallet to bring people to their senses.

I believe the nutjobs goal was to have Obama and the Fedral Govt get involved in this. You need to keep the nutjobs fired up. Their memory is as bad as mine after a few joints. After all, this would rile their base up. And I do not think he is that stupid. He will just step back and let AZ sleep in their own bed. After they lose enough money they will come to their senses. And kick another state into the Democrat camp.


Oh yes, The Washington Examiner is not a source. It is nutjob porn. Get a real source.


One last thing. This is a MMJ board. I haven't been here that long but I have seen no mention of that particular subject from our resident nutjob. In my time here (not that long) all I have seen from him is propaganda from The Washington Examiner.

[psychocat]

A country made by immigrants not allowing immigrants.

Yeah man, it's hilarious..

[JaggedEdge]

I love the Nazi comments coming from the usual suspects of Big Government supporters though, typical M.O.. Shit.......3 years ago the wife and I drove all over Mexico and were stopped prolly 20 times at checkpoints and forced to get outta the car and show our papers, in mexico. Get over it.

If you were directing that at me, I'm an Anarcho-capitalist. So, being a fan of BG is not exactly in my M.O. Sorry to disappoint, but not everyone who disagrees with statist actions by the right are liberals.

[palerider7777]

Unfortunately that isn't the quote you initially addressed making your whole reply here a waste of your and my time in my humble opinion. Although, my original post may have appeared that I was trying to be a smart ass, I feel certain my follow up clarification cleared that up explaining exactly why I think the Americans I don't work with are unfit to hold the position their non-English speaking counter parts fill, and they fill said positions with many times the proficiency that most Americans can. Of course there are always the exception since I was born here and have neve been anything except a laborer, and I think DelusionsOfNormality implied he was in a field of work similar to my regular employment.

unfortunately yes it was the quote about the ged i was quoting.nice try tho.maybe alil:stoned:?

[RedLocks]

unfortunately yes it was the quote about the ged i was quoting.nice try tho.maybe alil:stoned:?
wow.. really? http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/184068-arizona-taking-immigration-into-their-own-hands.html#post2093184

[Islandborn]

FUNNIEST NEWS HEADLINE of the day from the associated press

Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100428/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_day_labor)

Illegals decide to leave....because normal laws will be enforced.....I love it.

[Islandborn]

Its the rise of the FOURTH REICH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhh, run for the hills.

[ElGordoSupremo]

the reason this is a bad law is that it requires police officers to determine the immigration status of anyone who may be suspected of being an undocumented immigrant. Any police officer who doesn't do this can then be sued by anyone. The Phoenix PD, who doesnt want this, says they are already ALLOWED to do this but now they are required to, or face civil lawsuits. So now instead of rolling up on the scene and asking "who raped you? which way did he go?", they have to say "Show me your papers!" or face being sued for any dumb fuck who happens to be standing nearby.

When asked to prove citizenship, for any of us born here, a DL is no good, military id, no good, birth certificate? maybe if original and i have no clue where my original is. and I really dont want to carry it around everyday.

My family has been here for 5 generations and now I may be asked by johhny law to PROVE to him that i belong here! I dont fuckin think so.

Do we need to do something about illegal immigration? Hell yes we do, but this isnt it.


Traveling to AZ soon? So what proof of citizenship do you carry?

[Rusty Trichome]

How does anyone support this? They are making it illegal for immigrants to walk around without their immigration documents on them. With this law, if a LEGAL immigrant gets stopped by the police and does not have his documents on him, he can be arrested.
Same thing goes for a legal resident.
If you go to cash a check at the bank, do you get insulted when the teller asks for your ID?
If stopped for a ticket, do you get offended when an officer asks for your ID AND proof of your insurance?
When in a foreign country do you get offended when asked for documents you had better possess?
Tough shit if having to cary a green card is such a burden.

And yes, I had a friend went to the jail because there was nobody around that could verify his ID that night. He was riding a bicycle with no light at 1:00 in the morning. Was going home from work, where he had left his wallet.


This certainly sounds like it will promote civil liberties in this country, I tell you what. This is simply making it much easier for the government harass legal immigrants, not simply the illegal ones.Which immigrants? The muslim extremeists, the mexican "immigrants", the Chinese prostitutes, the Mariel boatlift crowd, Canadians...?


By the way, what the fuck happened to, "Give me your tired, your poor,. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." It's posted on the front door for a reason. Jump through the vastly open hoops and you get the prize. Backdoor us at your own peril. Aren't y'all tired of the illegals stepping on YOUR "civil liberties"?

[BlueBlazer]

wow.. really? http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/184068-arizona-taking-immigration-into-their-own-hands.html#post2093184

:thumbsup:

Tried to rep you bro, but I have to spread it around a bit first I guess.

[JaggedEdge]

Same thing goes for a legal resident.
If you go to cash a check at the bank, do you get insulted when the teller asks for your ID?
If stopped for a ticket, do you get offended when an officer asks for your ID AND proof of your insurance?
When in a foreign country do you get offended when asked for documents you had better possess?

Since you asked, yes it does piss me off having to provide ID and proof of insurance to the police for every minor traffic infraction. Insurance should not be mandated by the state, nice try though. It is also worth noting I disagree with state issued ID's and social security numbers. The teller analogy is completely off base since we are talking about a private company rather than government. I could easily choose to use another bank if I valued ease of withdrawal over security. There may be a law I'm not aware of requiring banks to check ID's. If that is the case, I think you can figure out where I stand on that.

As to the final question, I don't give a shit what other countries do. So fucking what? If mexico decides rape is ok, should we view it the same way? The fact if I'm in Germany and forget my passport in my hotel room, get harrased by local cops, and taken into custody does not in any way justify us doing the same crap.


And yes, I had a friend went to the jail because there was nobody around that could verify his ID that night. He was riding a bicycle with no light at 1:00 in the morning. Was going home from work, where he had left his wallet.

Again, what difference does this make? That's like saying, "I got arrested for possession so I'm going rat out that dude over there for smoking a joint." How about instead of spreading the injustice to other groups, including illigals, we instead try and change the way citizens are treated by law enforcement and the government in general. There is no reason anyone should be arrested simply for not having an ID on them!

I suppose by that same logic we were completely justified in rounding up the Japs and putting them in cages during WWII, because you know, Hitler was doing it to the Jews.


Which immigrants? The muslim extremeists, the mexican "immigrants", the Chinese prostitutes, the Mariel boatlift crowd, Canadians...?

We know exactly which immigrants. The ones with brown skin that look like they came from Mexico. Don't tell me, "it doesn't say that in the bill." It is clear this entire thing is about illegal mexican immigration, not any other nationality. This is giving the police broad power in questioning people based purely on race. If they see a Mexican, they can easily find an excuse to stop them. It isn't hard for cops to find something that gives them a right to start asking questions.

"Did you see that dude just stumble while walking, we better go see if he is intoxicated and legal."


It's posted on the front door for a reason. Jump through the vastly open hoops and you get the prize. Backdoor us at your own peril. Aren't y'all tired of the illegals stepping on YOUR "civil liberties"?

How are illegals stepping on our "civil liberties?" Please do explain. I'm extremely interessted in hearing this. I don't think you understand the meaning of civil liberties, because I can't imagine what you are referring to.

[palerider7777]

wow.. really? http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/184068-arizona-taking-immigration-into-their-own-hands.html#post2093184

umm yea really i read your post above that 1 then that one and responded.that would make no sense for me to make a comment like i did on that post come on.my bad for clicking the wrong post.lmao i bet your head was swelling big time thinking"i got this white prick now muuhahahahahahaha.

make sure you come back with some more smart assed shit cause you have a fan boy now.......oh hey blue how ya been?:thumbsup:

[palerider7777]

:thumbsup:

Tried to rep you bro, but I have to spread it around a bit first I guess.

typical this is exactly what im talking about so typical.......:thumbsup::thumbsup:;)

[palerider7777]

Same thing goes for a legal resident.
If you go to cash a check at the bank, do you get insulted when the teller asks for your ID?
If stopped for a ticket, do you get offended when an officer asks for your ID AND proof of your insurance?
When in a foreign country do you get offended when asked for documents you had better possess?
Tough shit if having to cary a green card is such a burden.

And yes, I had a friend went to the jail because there was nobody around that could verify his ID that night. He was riding a bicycle with no light at 1:00 in the morning. Was going home from work, where he had left his wallet.

Which immigrants? The muslim extremeists, the mexican "immigrants", the Chinese prostitutes, the Mariel boatlift crowd, Canadians...?

It's posted on the front door for a reason. Jump through the vastly open hoops and you get the prize. Backdoor us at your own peril. Aren't y'all tired of the illegals stepping on YOUR "civil liberties"?

ya tell me about it try going to mexico with no paper work even if you are there legally lmao.i mean how hard is it to pull out your paper work when asked.you should look up the yt vid where the "white"guy was walking down the street and was stopped for no reason and asked where his id was.hell i remember as a 16 year old being out to late and stopped to ask what i was doing and where my id was.i guess only true americans should be the only ones that should be stopped and fucked with by leo.

[palerider7777]

yea fuck it i say open the flood gates and let all 3rd world people come here and destory the place.i mean what the hell america is going down the tubes anyways might as well let them give it that extra push.

[JaggedEdge]

yea fuck it i say open the flood gates and let all 3rd world people come here and destory the place.i mean what the hell america is going down the tubes anyways might as well let them give it that extra push.

That is the most ignorant statement I have read in a while. :(

[JaggedEdge]

ya tell me about it try going to mexico with no paper work even if you are there legally lmao.i mean how hard is it to pull out your paper work when asked.you should look up the yt vid where the "white"guy was walking down the street and was stopped for no reason and asked where his id was.hell i remember as a 16 year old being out to late and stopped to ask what i was doing and where my id was.i guess only true americans should be the only ones that should be stopped and fucked with by leo.

Again, in what fucked up reality do two wrongs make a right? Let's look at it this way:

Husband "A" beats his wife, but husband "B" beats his wife also. Since husband "B" does a more thorough job of beating his wife, husband "A" is therefor innocent of any wrong doing...

The 16 year old shouldn't be stopped and be required to provide ID for no reason either, why is this so fucking hard to grasp?

[oldhaole]

The AZ state government and people are pissed. And while, yes, the actions of Arizona are racist and tyrannical (truly, not fake, Tea Party Tyranny) Maybe we should see this in another way: As a cry for help from a lost f##ked child to it's incompent parent. Of course the kid is going to shoot up heroin, steal a car, knock up his girlfriend and set his room on fire. Christ, what else does he have to need to do to get the right attention?


Thanks to the Rude Pundit. I stole this from him. :D

[BlueBlazer]

typical this is exactly what im talking about so typical.......:thumbsup::thumbsup:;)



make sure you come back with some more smart assed shit cause you have a fan boy now.......oh hey blue how ya been?:thumbsup:


I've been fine palerider. :D

Fan boy? Wow. You really have some issues you need to work through bro. :wtf:

[palerider7777]

Again, in what fucked up reality do two wrongs make a right? Let's look at it this way:

Husband "A" beats his wife, but husband "B" beats his wife also. Since husband "B" does a more thorough job of beating his wife, husband "A" is therefor innocent of any wrong doing...

The 16 year old shouldn't be stopped and be required to provide ID for no reason either, why is this so fucking hard to grasp?

wow so what you are saying then is only mexican people get fucked with?i remember being 16 and if i was out past 8 and a cop saw me guess what news flash i got carded.

ok now past that in what fucked up reality is it ok for the true americans get fucked with all the time but we better not mess with outsiders that come over illegally and do all kinds of dmg then jump back over the boarder and poof gone with no trace.plz explain to me why you think it's ok for people that has done nothing for this country is ok to come and go as they plz and use our tax dollar as they plz?

i really don't see how you are saying 2 wrongs don't make a right? do you know me as an american if i was to go get a fake id what i would be facing if i was caught?then on top of that for everything i used that fake id for i would get charged with that too.so what you are saying is it's ok for people that don't have any stock in this country to come and break our laws as they plz and no one should say anything about it?meanwhile if i was to do a 10th of what these people do i'd be under the jail for life and thats a ok with u?

btw it's odd to see these mexicans always talking about how great mexico is and how great they are yet they want to come here, why?lets see maybe to mooch as much as they can?it's not like the guy in mexico is sitting there thinking man i wish i could get to america so i can help build it up.it's more like this im in this shit hole of a place where my own gov treats us like shit.i want to go to a place where i can stay under ground and noone knows who i am and i can get away with whatever i want.and when im caught i get slapped in the wrist and sent home.

bottom line is if these people really wanted to come here to do good thing and to be apart of america they would do what it takes the right way.it's called earning you're way.so lets not try to get of topic and try to twist things into a race card issue that card has been beat to death already.

[palerider7777]

I've been fine palerider. :D

Fan boy? Wow. You really have some issues you need to work through bro. :wtf:

really? it's odd you jump in this thread and first post u make is MAN I WISH I COULD REP YA RED MAN YOU DID GREAT THINGS BY TRYING TO TWIST WORDS.as if he really showed me huh lmao i think you are the one that needs to work shit out? i think you just don't like the fact that im calling a duck a duck.guess you don't like being called out so now you will side with anyone that talks shit to me? i bet i could start a thread on how the sky was blue and you would come in and side with the first person that said it was'nt.

you sure your not a woman?lmao:cool:

[palerider7777]

That is the most ignorant statement I have read in a while. :(

really? im guessing you never leave your side of town then?so do you think and a person that has been raised in a 3rd world way of living comes here and all the sudden changes the way they live? hate ta break it to you but i have been all over this country many times.and in many areas and you can always tell what part of town you are in and how people live reflect the way they were raised.wow well i guess this should'nt shock me as americans have been brainwashed for sometime now.

the funny fact of the matter is if you had brains to do so if you ever sat back and watched people and how they live you can see this.

for instance i grew up in a part of town back in the 80's that was considered to be middle class.it was a nice clean safe part of town kids could play and ride their bikes up to the store stay out past dark walk to school a mile away.

there was a big shopping center with a quincy's steak house, super market and many other stores.in the 90's and as i started getting older i started seeing certain people starting to move out and others moving in.then i started seeing the streets change.i said to myself it won't be another 10 years and this place will be a crime ridden dump.i left that place and my grandma stayed in the house she was left.over the years i would visit and every time i did things were worse.then the last time i went there all the people that lived there"mostly whites" were gone and in place were mostly blacks and mexicans"i know im racist huh for speaking the truth"? anyways all the shops that i used to go to were shut down because of theft and crime.the only store left was a foodlion and it was hanging on by a thread and had to higher a gaurd to watch the place.

all the a+ schools that i went to were dumps and falling apart.

i know the truth hurts but truth is truth. it's weird how america has been taught to trash the truth and look past it.then if someone points out the truth they are trashed and called a racist for calling a spade a spade.

when has it become a bad thing to hold people accountable for there actions???????? instead you jump on the people that had enough with all the race card bs. everyone has to turn there heads and bite their tongue.


this is the reason our country is going to shit.it won't be long b4 it looks like that movie cyborg lmao all im saying is people act and do as they are raised very few step out of that box.

[BlueBlazer]

really? it's odd you jump in this thread and first post u make is MAN I WISH I COULD REP YA RED MAN YOU DID GREAT THINGS BY TRYING TO TWIST WORDS.as if he really showed me huh lmao i think you are the one that needs to work shit out? i think you just don't like the fact that im calling a duck a duck.guess you don't like being called out so now you will side with anyone that talks shit to me? i bet i could start a thread on how the sky was blue and you would come in and side with the first person that said it was'nt.

you sure your not a woman?lmao:cool:


Ummm. Redlocks repped me and I just looked for his last post to rep him back. When I couldn't do it, I made a post so he wouldn't think I was "snobby". . .

the rest of your post is your paranoid imagination. :eek:

[JaggedEdge]

wow so what you are saying then is only mexican people get fucked with?i remember being 16 and if i was out past 8 and a cop saw me guess what news flash i got carded.

Wow, could have missed the point more completely? No, it isn't ok for the police to fuck the American citizens, tourists, or illegals!


ok now past that in what fucked up reality is it ok for the true americans get fucked with all the time but we better not mess with outsiders that come over illegally and do all kinds of dmg then jump back over the boarder and poof gone with no trace.plz explain to me why you think it's ok for people that has done nothing for this country is ok to come and go as they plz and use our tax dollar as they plz?

Hmmm... again you amaze me with your poor reading comprehension. Perhaps you should have read the previous things I said in this thread before commenting. Most of the damage you refer to can be credited to the drug war. If we legalized drugs, many of the violent Mexicans would not have a need to cross the border illigally and reek havoc.

As for tax doallars. Perhaps you should look a little deeper and consider what taxes should be used for. The fact illegals can even benifit from our tax system speaks more about taxes than illegal immigration. Perhaps if we eliminated the entitlement programs we wouldn't have these problems.


i really don't see how you are saying 2 wrongs don't make a right? do you know me as an american if i was to go get a fake id what i would be facing if i was caught?then on top of that for everything i used that fake id for i would get charged with that too.so what you are saying is it's ok for people that don't have any stock in this country to come and break our laws as they plz and no one should say anything about it?meanwhile if i was to do a 10th of what these people do i'd be under the jail for life and thats a ok with u?

For fucks sake, stop saying the first thing that comes to your mind. This is what's wrong with our nation. Instead of people realizing it isn't right that American citizens can be charged 10 times for one offense, the average American says, "well if the government is commiting this injustice agaisnt me, it's only fair they commit against my neighbor as well." What we should be saying is, "this is an injustice, and I won't stand for the government commiting this act against ANYONE.

What exactly do "these people do?" Racist a bit?


btw it's odd to see these mexicans always talking about how great mexico is and how great they are yet they want to come here, why?lets see maybe to mooch as much as they can?it's not like the guy in mexico is sitting there thinking man i wish i could get to america so i can help build it up.it's more like this im in this shit hole of a place where my own gov treats us like shit.i want to go to a place where i can stay under ground and noone knows who i am and i can get away with whatever i want.and when im caught i get slapped in the wrist and sent home.

That is where their families are, and of course they have an attachment to their homeland. They come here to make money, not because they want to fuck this country up. The only reason they are "underground" is because we fuck with them at every possible oppertunity. Perhaps many of them turn to crime because they find it increasingly difficult to find work, given this biggoted attitude and government driven persecution. Grant them amneisty, and let them work.


bottom line is if these people really wanted to come here to do good thing and to be apart of america they would do what it takes the right way.it's called earning you're way.so lets not try to get of topic and try to twist things into a race card issue that card has been beat to death already.

The "right way" as you put it, is pathetically inefficient. If their families in Mexico don't have enough food, it is a bit difficult to be patient. They want to get over here as quickly and cheaply as possible so they can start sending money back home. I fail to see what is wrong with that. Our borders should be open to all nationalities, all races, all creeds.

Illegal immigration has benefits for Americans as well. If you need to lay a floor and don't have the money to hire a professional, but are to busy or lazy to lay it yourself, you can go to Home Depot and pick up a worker for fairly cheap. Both parties benefit.

In closing, I want to stress the importance of not focusing purely on results. Everyone seems focused on what has happened, what will happen, and what is happening, but rarely do people consider the causes.

Why do we have so many illegal immigrants? Why is there so much violence on our Mexican border? Etc, etc, etc.

It is also worth noting that lax borders to our north are beneficial to drug users like ourselves. Apparently there is an influx of American citizens crossing over into Canada illegally, buying drugs, and selling them back home. When one nation has a commodity that their home country lacks it tends to promote trade. When government debilitates or worse yet, completely eliminates said trade, people are forced to *don't panic* break the law.

The Mexicans are crossing over illegally to trade their labor for money. Americans cross over to Canada to trade money for drugs. My question to you is this, "Which of these illegal border crossings is worse?"

[palerider7777]

Wow, could have missed the point more completely? No, it isn't ok for the police to fuck the American citizens, tourists, or illegals!



Hmmm... again you amaze me with your poor reading comprehension. Perhaps you should have read the previous things I said in this thread before commenting. Most of the damage you refer to can be credited to the drug war. If we legalized drugs, many of the violent Mexicans would not have a need to cross the border illigally and reek havoc.

As for tax doallars. Perhaps you should look a little deeper and consider what taxes should be used for. The fact illegals can even benifit from our tax system speaks more about taxes than illegal immigration. Perhaps if we eliminated the entitlement programs we wouldn't have these problems.



For fucks sake, stop saying the first thing that comes to your mind. This is what's wrong with our nation. Instead of people realizing it isn't right that American citizens can be charged 10 times for one offense, the average American says, "well if the government is commiting this injustice agaisnt me, it's only fair they commit against my neighbor as well." What we should be saying is, "this is an injustice, and I won't stand for the government commiting this act against ANYONE.

What exactly do "these people do?" Racist a bit?



That is where their families are, and of course they have an attachment to their homeland. They come here to make money, not because they want to fuck this country up. The only reason they are "underground" is because we fuck with them at every possible oppertunity. Perhaps many of them turn to crime because they find it increasingly difficult to find work, given this biggoted attitude and government driven persecution. Grant them amneisty, and let them work.



The "right way" as you put it, is pathetically inefficient. If their families in Mexico don't have enough food, it is a bit difficult to be patient. They want to get over here as quickly and cheaply as possible so they can start sending money back home. I fail to see what is wrong with that. Our borders should be open to all nationalities, all races, all creeds.

Illegal immigration has benefits for Americans as well. If you need to lay a floor and don't have the money to hire a professional, but are to busy or lazy to lay it yourself, you can go to Home Depot and pick up a worker for fairly cheap. Both parties benefit.

In closing, I want to stress the importance of not focusing purely on results. Everyone seems focused on what has happened, what will happen, and what is happening, but rarely do people consider the causes.

Why do we have so many illegal immigrants? Why is there so much violence on our Mexican border? Etc, etc, etc.

It is also worth noting that lax borders to our north are beneficial to drug users like ourselves. Apparently there is an influx of American citizens crossing over into Canada illegally, buying drugs, and selling them back home. When one nation has a commodity that their home country lacks it tends to promote trade. When government debilitates or worse yet, completely eliminates said trade, people are forced to *don't panic* break the law.

The Mexicans are crossing over illegally to trade their labor for money. Americans cross over to Canada to trade money for drugs. My question to you is this, "Which of these illegal border crossings is worse?"


guess i'll call fowl on you too then huh? your ? at the end that is.you just talked about how people don't look at the real issues then you ask which illegal is worse? well from what you said above neither then right?

sorry i don't say the first thing that pops in my head. so in your logic their should be no boarders? don't worry our gov is on it as we speak.i can see it now hey we can't take care of half the people that are here now,hey wait i got an idea lets let everyone in the world flock here and that will fix that huh.wow oh wait we better watch out if to many people flock to cali america might tip over....lmao

we should change america's name to burgerking so we can use the slogan "have it your way" except anything after 9 then you only get what ever shit thats left under the warmer.

all i can say is people better live it up this year cause it might be the last year you will be able to.

[palerider7777]

hey brainiac since you seem to think you have it all fig'd out.this ? is a very easy one for ya.ponder this b4 you respond,tell me how this would work if we open the boarders and say come 1 come all.that would be considered importing people.but for a long time now our gov has been selling us out and all big biz are being exported out.tell me oh great one how do you see that as a good thing?how in your mind does it make sense to allow all these people to come here when most of our jobs are gone.seen places like detroit lately??

i mean i should'nt have to explain economics with the likes of a brainiac like yourself right?

let me guess if we were to allow the gates open our gov would say you know what fuck all that big biz money that we have been paid off by we will make them come home now.roflmao ya ok.

[RedLocks]

umm yea really i read your post above that 1 then that one and responded.that would make no sense for me to make a comment like i did on that post come on.my bad for clicking the wrong post.lmao i bet your head was swelling big time thinking"i got this white prick now muuhahahahahahaha.

make sure you come back with some more smart assed shit cause you have a fan boy now.......oh hey blue how ya been?:thumbsup:
backpedal much? hahahaha so full of failure I don't even know where to begin.

[RedLocks]

That is the most ignorant statement I have read in a while. :(
I would say he tries his best but it is appearing it is effortless :D

[RedLocks]

backpedal much? hahahaha so full of failure I don't even know where to begin.
I should probably begin with making a joke about failure is your excuse, but seems way too easy... :wtf:

[RedLocks]

If you were directing that at me, I'm an Anarcho-capitalist. So, being a fan of BG is not exactly in my M.O. Sorry to disappoint, but not everyone who disagrees with statist actions by the right are liberals.

You have to understand, it is a scary world when looking at it though a polarized viewpoint, you most definitely have to be a liberal if you do not agree with someone who the only thing in the person observing you is rhetoric and fear mongering comments from Glen Beck rattling around in an otherwise empty skull case. I personally have repeatedly pointed out my personal apolitical stance and that I am guided by intelligence and a moral system and wouldn't even use the Constitution to wipe my ass with, probably about as un-American as they come.

Yet I can bet he was probably talking about I also. I invited him to explain who these usuall suspect were, even left this thread be for a few days to give him a chance to reply. As per I secret prediction, questions posed towards him were not answered, and the next replies consisted of rhetoric, random links to a story he probably didn't even read, and a stupid comment or two.

[Rusty Trichome]

It is also worth noting that lax borders to our north are beneficial to drug users like ourselves. Apparently there is an influx of American citizens crossing over into Canada illegally, buying drugs, and selling them back home.
You want to talk drugs you can go the fuck away to one of those other sites catering to teens and drug addicts, or to Canada to pick-up more.

Your insight is flawed and insufficient in depth or scope, and your statements laughable. Your consistent labeling of other members that share a different viewpoint than yours is quite revealing about your personality. Demeaning others does not elevate your status on CanCom in the slightest. As a matter of fact, it shows the rest of us just how immature and undereducated you are.

No matter how much you complain, this isn't homey's back-alley dopehouse. This is a medical cannabis community catering cannabis users. Not the "drug users" like yourself. (your self-admission)

[RedLocks]

You want to talk drugs you can go the fuck away to one of those other sites catering to teens and drug addicts, or to Canada to pick-up more.

Your insight is flawed and insufficient in depth or scope, and your statements laughable. Your consistent labeling of other members that share a different viewpoint than yours is quite revealing about your personality. Demeaning others does not elevate your status on CanCom in the slightest. As a matter of fact, it shows the rest of us just how immature and undereducated you are.

No matter how much you complain, this isn't homey's back-alley dopehouse. This is a medical cannabis community catering cannabis users. Not the "drug users" like yourself. (your self-admission)
That seems a little bit harsh way to react not to mention uncalled for, what I assume is a misuse of a word saying drug instead of cannabis one time in a post. (all other instances of the word drug were 100% warranted) But as far as his point on violence and drug gangs goes, couldn't be more true. In fact there are so many countries in this world that the majority of the violence and crime can be directly attributed to the so called American War on Drugs..:(

Even the continued addiction to narcotics by illicit drug users in this country is bolstered by American laws.

[Rusty Trichome]

Whatever. The insults are laughable, your insight flawed and I don't really give a shit about your 'Freudian slip' regarding cross-border activities you may or may not engage in. I've had discussions with your type many times in here, and it all boils down to the same thing...Y'all bore me with inconsistent facts, bleeding heart anti-Americanism, and a basic understanding of politics that can only be called state-sponsored brainwashing. You've lost the ability to think for yourself, and it shows.
And this labeling everyone that disagrees with your half-thoughts...has a name. Howdy Flamer. :thumbsup:

[Islandborn]

for all the national bitching.....most importantly, 70% of people who actually live in Arizona support the law.
Townhall.com Blog : Jillian Bandes : 70% Of Arizonans Support New Immigration Law (http://townhall.com/blog/g/ab5a4b1d-efbc-4a36-af9e-b9ac1447d91f)

Even the Govenor got a nice boost in ratings #'s for signing the law

Arizona immigration law boosts Gov. Brewer's rating (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/04/29/20100429arizona-immigration-law-brewer-ratings-improve.html)

Let the open border lefties vandalize whatever they want, it just makes their movement look stupid. The only recent protests that looked violent or naziish were the open border lefty protests in Arizona which make the tea party look like an actual tea party lol.

[Islandborn]

and this morning the white house has taken Immigration reform off the agenda this year.

Obama takes immigration reform off agenda - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100429/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_immigration_politics)

[Rusty Trichome]

My bad RedLocks, I thought you were Jagged responding, but your defense of his post is equally disturbing.
Sorry for the mix-up.

[RedLocks]

Whatever. The insults are laughable, your insight flawed and I don't really give a shit about your 'Freudian slip' regarding cross-border activities you may or may not engage in. I've had discussions with your type many times in here, and it all boils down to the same thing...Y'all bore me with inconsistent facts, bleeding heart anti-Americanism, and a basic understanding of politics that can only be called state-sponsored brainwashing. You've lost the ability to think for yourself, and it shows.
And this labeling everyone that disagrees with your half-thoughts...has a name. Howdy Flamer. :thumbsup:
What???

[RedLocks]

My bad RedLocks, I thought you were Jagged responding, but your defense of his post is equally disturbing.
Sorry for the mix-up.
ohh ok, dude you blew my mind haha..

[JaggedEdge]

guess i'll call fowl on you too then huh? your ? at the end that is.you just talked about how people don't look at the real issues then you ask which illegal is worse? well from what you said above neither then right?

Right.


sorry i don't say the first thing that pops in my head. so in your logic their should be no boarders? don't worry our gov is on it as we speak.i can see it now hey we can't take care of half the people that are here now,hey wait i got an idea lets let everyone in the world flock here and that will fix that huh.wow oh wait we better watch out if to many people flock to cali america might tip over....lmao

Don't flatter yourself. If we had open immigration everyone wouldn't come. It comes down to free trade. Immigration and Emigration are simply a form of trade, therefor we should have open borders just as we should have a totally free market.

[JaggedEdge]

hey brainiac since you seem to think you have it all fig'd out.this ? is a very easy one for ya.ponder this b4 you respond,tell me how this would work if we open the boarders and say come 1 come all.that would be considered importing people.but for a long time now our gov has been selling us out and all big biz are being exported out.tell me oh great one how do you see that as a good thing?

You are right our government has been selling us out and you will not get me to defend that, however jobs being imported oversees is not a bad thing, it is simply a trade off. We have fewer jobs in those sectors, but in return we get cheaper prices on those goods. The idle part of the population now have a chance to begin working in a new industry. Also, when we have a trade deficit like you mention, it means foreigners are investing in our economy, which in-turn is beneficial to R&D.



how in your mind does it make sense to allow all these people to come here when most of our jobs are gone.seen places like detroit lately??

Detroit is a shit hole because of liberal laws and government intervention. Other issues need to be addressed, not simply open immigration. If government would step aside, business would have room to grow and increase the job sector.



let me guess if we were to allow the gates open our gov would say you know what fuck all that big biz money that we have been paid off by we will make them come home now.roflmao ya ok.

Again, you see a problem in our system which surely exists, but instead of thinking about changing that problem, you accept it as fact. I find that sad. Corporate welfare should be eliminated as well, however, simply because our government is run by retards does not negate the fact our borders should be opened.

[JaggedEdge]

You want to talk drugs you can go the fuck away to one of those other sites catering to teens and drug addicts, or to Canada to pick-up more.

Oh please, because Medical Marijuana isn't a drug right?


Your insight is flawed and insufficient in depth or scope, and your statements laughable. Your consistent labeling of other members that share a different viewpoint than yours is quite revealing about your personality. Demeaning others does not elevate your status on CanCom in the slightest. As a matter of fact, it shows the rest of us just how immature and undereducated you are.

No, I simply expect people who engage in a debate of this nature to portray a certain level of intelligence in their writing. I'm not here to elevate my status, I'm here to kill time and have fun debating, despite what you may think, I don't stay up at night wondering how popular I am on the internet.


No matter how much you complain, this isn't homey's back-alley dopehouse. This is a medical cannabis community catering cannabis users. Not the "drug users" like yourself. (your self-admission)

What is your point. I'm not even sure what that has to do with anything. I was making a point, which you seemed to miss completely. How about responding to the post rather than focusing purely on the fact I used the "drug" word.

[JaggedEdge]

Whatever. The insults are laughable, your insight flawed and I don't really give a shit about your 'Freudian slip' regarding cross-border activities you may or may not engage in. I've had discussions with your type many times in here, and it all boils down to the same thing...Y'all bore me with inconsistent facts, bleeding heart anti-Americanism, and a basic understanding of politics that can only be called state-sponsored brainwashing. You've lost the ability to think for yourself, and it shows.
And this labeling everyone that disagrees with your half-thoughts...has a name. Howdy Flamer. :thumbsup:

You are officially an idiot. "State-sponsored brainwashing?" I despise the state, as I have made clear before. You are the one who seems to simply repeat the talking points you hear on Fox. To say an Anarchist has been brainwashed by the state is the funniest thing I have heard.

Also, please tell me more about these inconsistent facts. Also, thank you for further illustrating how Republicans automatically assume anyone who disagrees with their idiotic ideas is a liberal sheep.

You just labeled me as well, welcome to the club.

[JaggedEdge]

You have to understand, it is a scary world when looking at it though a polarized viewpoint, you most definitely have to be a liberal if you do not agree with someone who the only thing in the person observing you is rhetoric and fear mongering comments from Glen Beck rattling around in an otherwise empty skull case. I personally have repeatedly pointed out my personal apolitical stance and that I am guided by intelligence and a moral system and wouldn't even use the Constitution to wipe my ass with, probably about as un-American as they come.

Unfortunately, we seem to be the rarity. I have to agree the Constitution is a joke. I have respect for the Bill of Rights, but yeah, I would piss on the Constitution without thinking twice.

[Psycho4Bud]

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/137311-insults-personal-attacks-polls.html

I'd advise everyone to read this sticky over once more. Just got a reported post and I see where this is going. As for now, no foul; in the future there will be.

p.s. The only reason I'm letting this slide is because this is the politics forum...but once again, in the future this will be handled differently.:admin1:

Have a good one!:s4:

[palerider7777]

That seems a little bit harsh way to react not to mention uncalled for, what I assume is a misuse of a word saying drug instead of cannabis one time in a post. (all other instances of the word drug were 100% warranted) But as far as his point on violence and drug gangs goes, couldn't be more true. In fact there are so many countries in this world that the majority of the violence and crime can be directly attributed to the so called American War on Drugs..:(

Even the continued addiction to narcotics by illicit drug users in this country is bolstered by American laws.

really? you have the balls to sit there and tell him he is being to harsh yet everything you have said has been shit talking and belittling? then you go as far as to report my post and then leave me bad rep?wow talk about a keyboard ninja.talk about a narrow mindset.

[palerider7777]

You are right our government has been selling us out and you will not get me to defend that, however jobs being imported oversees is not a bad thing, it is simply a trade off. We have fewer jobs in those sectors, but in return we get cheaper prices on those goods. The idle part of the population now have a chance to begin working in a new industry. Also, when we have a trade deficit like you mention, it means foreigners are investing in our economy, which in-turn is beneficial to R&D.




Detroit is a shit hole because of liberal laws and government intervention. Other issues need to be addressed, not simply open immigration. If government would step aside, business would have room to grow and increase the job sector.




Again, you see a problem in our system which surely exists, but instead of thinking about changing that problem, you accept it as fact. I find that sad. Corporate welfare should be eliminated as well, however, simply because our government is run by retards does not negate the fact our borders should be opened.

lmao wow i know you want to be cocky about all of this.but when you say things like "you accept as fact" really? what dream world are you in?is it not a fact that this is the way it is NOW?see i love people that think like you you admit the problem but then when it's time to do something you resort back to the same old shit that people had tried to use to change it but it does'nt work.

since you think im just accepting what is wrong then you tell me oh great one how do you plan to fix it? let me guess march,protest,write letters,call in?

if you're as smart as you and red think you are then you would know that none of that has or will work. anything short of a full revolt will do O nada nothing.so when you wake up from your slumber let us know k?cause in the real world it is very much a fact.the main reason they know they can keep raping us is because no one in america will stand together,sure you have lil pockets of people but nothing they can't handle on a local lvl.

now sure to me the right thing to do would be like a work release type of thing.if illegals want to really come here for a better life and not do what they really want to do "slip through the cracks"i'd say maybe 10% of them.then make them sign up for the work program and make them pay taxes on all of that money and a small fee to the country for being here under it.

see i worked in a place 1 time where there was a production line i was a route driver.there was plenty of people around that needed good jobs.guess what the company fired all the locals that worked in the shop.they ended up hiring a group of russians to come over here and work.they would allow these russians to work 100hrs+ aweek the way it's set up is they get no over time it's all str8 pay and no taxes are taken out of that pay.so it's not just mexicans and it's not just cheap jobs noone wants to do.

also your comment on the export import of jobs and people.i really don't see your logic in that 1.how is that a good thing?you say by doing that it lowers our cost on goods? no not really tell me how exporting out most of our jobs but importing tons of people makes sense to you?i really hope i don't have to break that 1 down for you ?

[palerider7777]

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/137311-insults-personal-attacks-polls.html

I'd advise everyone to read this sticky over once more. Just got a reported post and I see where this is going. As for now, no foul; in the future there will be.

p.s. The only reason I'm letting this slide is because this is the politics forum...but once again, in the future this will be handled differently.:admin1:

Have a good one!:s4:

i really don't see how my post was bad yet these 2 can sit there and say they would piss on and wipe there asses with the constitution.wtf?

the problem is'nt the constitution it's people like that and people in the gov that has twisted it into what they want it to be to control us all.

[RedLocks]

really? you have the balls to sit there and tell him he is being to harsh yet everything you have said has been shit talking and belittling? then you go as far as to report my post and then leave me bad rep?wow talk about a keyboard ninja.talk about a narrow mindset.
yeah you got neg rep from me you deserved it, report your posting though? lol not worth my time, although I will admit the way you are fighting here, you are working your way up to a ban and any number of people could have chosen to report you. As far shit talking or belittling coming from I, where? If I direct a comment at a person , it is warranted not to mentio0n I don't go making shit up when I post.

Have a nice day:thumbsup:

edit:: by the way, said I wouldn't wipe my ass with it, not that I would.. you have any idea how rough a sheet of hemp paper that old would be.. ouch

[JaggedEdge]

lmao wow i know you want to be cocky about all of this.but when you say things like "you accept as fact" really? what dream world are you in?is it not a fact that this is the way it is NOW?see i love people that think like you you admit the problem but then when it's time to do something you resort back to the same old shit that people had tried to use to change it but it does'nt work.

I don't believe I will ever see anarchy in this country, but their are way's to begin reigning in our government. The first step is to convert more and more statist democrats and republicans to more libertarian principles. By voting libertarian leaning politicians into office we will hopefully begin to see more lax regulations and increased freedom. Admittedly, as an anarchist, I don't have much faith in the voting process and it directly contradicts my philosophical position however, I will happily vote for candidates like Ron Paul who promote freedom.

It is a fact this is the situation we are currently in, but when we simply roll over and accept it, tyranny wins. Simply because the road to change is difficult, does not mean it should not be attempted. I will continue to debate these issues with people in the hope more realize government intervention is detrimental to this nation.


since you think im just accepting what is wrong then you tell me oh great one how do you plan to fix it? let me guess march,protest,write letters,call in?

As I said before, the best way to attempt to change the situation is the change the mindset of the voters.


if you're as smart as you and red think you are then you would know that none of that has or will work. anything short of a full revolt will do O nada nothing.so when you wake up from your slumber let us know k?cause in the real world it is very much a fact.the main reason they know they can keep raping us is because no one in america will stand together,sure you have lil pockets of people but nothing they can't handle on a local lvl.

Thomas Paine was a major part in changing the colonies attitude towards Britain with his pamphlet. To say you can never change anything is cynical and without merit. History has taught us nations rise and fall constantly, regimes change, and not all revolutions have to be violent. Accepting your fate surely won't change anything, some of us however are at least trying.


now sure to me the right thing to do would be like a work release type of thing.if illegals want to really come here for a better life and not do what they really want to do "slip through the cracks"i'd say maybe 10% of them.then make them sign up for the work program and make them pay taxes on all of that money and a small fee to the country for being here under it.

I fundementally disagree with taxes and there is no reason there should be a fee. It is a better proposal than a no nonsense approach to immigration though.


see i worked in a place 1 time where there was a production line i was a route driver.there was plenty of people around that needed good jobs.guess what the company fired all the locals that worked in the shop.they ended up hiring a group of russians to come over here and work.they would allow these russians to work 100hrs+ aweek the way it's set up is they get no over time it's all str8 pay and no taxes are taken out of that pay.so it's not just mexicans and it's not just cheap jobs noone wants to do.

Again, why did the company hire the forign workers? To maxamize profits. If the government weren't taxing them the way the do, increase expenses with regulations, etc, perhaps more employers would be more willing and more able to hire local workers. I can't say for certain, however eliminating government control would make that a more likely possiblility.


also your comment on the export import of jobs and people.i really don't see your logic in that 1.how is that a good thing?you say by doing that it lowers our cost on goods? no not really tell me how exporting out most of our jobs but importing tons of people makes sense to you?i really hope i don't have to break that 1 down for you ?

It lowers our cost on goods because the company can produce their product at a much cheaper rate. Factories in third world contries benifit both parties. The western factories pay a higher wage than the local factories in the area, but that wage is still far lower than what they would pay western workers. Hence, the goods are cheaper to produce, and therefor cheaper for the consumer.

People go where the jobs are, if the unemployment rate were to high, people would not want to immigrate to this nation. There is no point in moving to a country for work if their is no work to go around.

The fact is there are a ton of domestic jobs as well, and if the government would step aside, more jobs would be available.

We also aren't exporting MOST of our jobs oversees. We export some, however, as I said before, their are many industries which continue to function within our borders.

[RedLocks]

Cool out jagged,somethings just aint worth getting angry, or engaging in conversation for that matter. In the words of Jay Z, gotta get that.. dirt off yuh shoulder :hippy:

[JaggedEdge]

i really don't see how my post was bad yet these 2 can sit there and say they would piss on and wipe there asses with the constitution.wtf?

the problem is'nt the constitution it's people like that and people in the gov that has twisted it into what they want it to be to control us all.

Obviously the Constitution is not a glorious document since it has allowed for this level of government control. The fact the government continuously ignores the document is proof of it's uselessness.

[palerider7777]

Obviously the Constitution is not a glorious document since it has allowed for this level of government control. The fact the government continuously ignores the document is proof of it's uselessness.

wrong we as a people have allowed it to happen not the document.

[palerider7777]

Cool out jagged,somethings just aint worth getting angry, or engaging in conversation for that matter. In the words of Jay Z, gotta get that.. dirt off yuh shoulder :hippy:

roflmao should have known lmao quoting jay-z lmao wow.

[palerider7777]

I don't believe I will ever see anarchy in this country, but their are way's to begin reigning in our government. The first step is to convert more and more statist democrats and republicans to more libertarian principles. By voting libertarian leaning politicians into office we will hopefully begin to see more lax regulations and increased freedom. Admittedly, as an anarchist, I don't have much faith in the voting process and it directly contradicts my philosophical position however, I will happily vote for candidates like Ron Paul who promote freedom. like i said b4 all that has been done over and over and still nothing.btw name the last time a common person that has no ties to gov has been elected to a seat or office?also if ya don't know which you should by this point.our votes mean squat ever heard of this?

Electoral College (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College)

if so then you must know everything you said above is a waste of time?never mind you just keep thinking your fighting the good fight...even tho it's just spinning your wheels.

It is a fact this is the situation we are currently in, but when we simply roll over and accept it, tyranny wins. Simply because the road to change is difficult, does not mean it should not be attempted. I will continue to debate these issues with people in the hope more realize government intervention is detrimental to this nation. who is rolling over? i keep seeing you write this nonsense name 1 post where i state this bs?



As I said before, the best way to attempt to change the situation is the change the mindset of the voters. again waste of time.but like i said b4 keep on keeping on and see where it gets ya.btw the prez is just a figure head nothing more.the put in office the person that can lie the best atm for the topics at hand.



Thomas Paine was a major part in changing the colonies attitude towards Britain with his pamphlet. To say you can never change anything is cynical and without merit. History has taught us nations rise and fall constantly, regimes change, and not all revolutions have to be violent. Accepting your fate surely won't change anything, some of us however are at least trying.
again you seem to insist on insinuating that i am a defeatist of sorts sorry but like red you are so wrong.im just pointing out facts about what has and will work.all the talking does nada sorry.and btw what ended up happening with the colonies and britain?did they all just write each other letters and shake hand and all was good in the end?see you are just trying to point out a tiny little bit of the story.when in fact it took much much more than letters and words.



I fundementally disagree with taxes and there is no reason there should be a fee. It is a better proposal than a no nonsense approach to immigration though.



Again, why did the company hire the forign workers? To maxamize profits. If the government weren't taxing them the way the do, increase expenses with regulations, etc, perhaps more employers would be more willing and more able to hire local workers. I can't say for certain, however eliminating government control would make that a more likely possiblility. i was pointing out the problem of corse it is to max profits,im just showing how america has been sold to the highest bidder.and writing a letter and shaking your fist will do nothing.in the near future you will see this and say wow talking and voting really does nothing and now they are at my door.wait till the carbon tax hits ya.im sure you will talk yourself into thinking it's a good thing to be tax for the air you breath.i remember as a kid making jokes about it and everyone thought it was absurd.



It lowers our cost on goods because the company can produce their product at a much cheaper rate. Factories in third world contries benifit both parties. The western factories pay a higher wage than the local factories in the area, but that wage is still far lower than what they would pay western workers. Hence, the goods are cheaper to produce, and therefor cheaper for the consumer. ever heard you get hwta ya pay for?

People go where the jobs are, if the unemployment rate were to high, people would not want to immigrate to this nation. There is no point in moving to a country for work if their is no work to go around.

The fact is there are a ton of domestic jobs as well, and if the government would step aside, more jobs would be available.the gov will not step aside maybe 1 day you will wake up to the fact that the gov and the rich look at us as expendable worker bees.

We also aren't exporting MOST of our jobs oversees. We export some, however, as I said before, their are many industries which continue to function within our borders.well thats odd 90+% of anything i buy does'nt say made in america hummm.then the tiny bit that does all it says is assembled in america which means parts are imported in and put together here.so show me all of these huge industries that are here?

[JaggedEdge]

wrong we as a people have allowed it to happen not the document.

Citizens did allow it to happen, but that doesn't negate the fact the document is completely useless. If the document had any actual power the government would not have consolidated the level of power they have despite the willingness of the population to allow it.

It is in a governments nature to grow and a document will do nothing to prevent it as has been evidenced.

[JaggedEdge]

Cool out jagged,somethings just aint worth getting angry, or engaging in conversation for that matter. In the words of Jay Z, gotta get that.. dirt off yuh shoulder :hippy:
I'm not getting angry, this is fun for me. :thumbsup:

[palerider7777]

I should probably begin with making a joke about failure is your excuse, but seems way too easy... :wtf:

your so full of yourself you keep quoting yourself lmao.i think i'll step aside now and let you talk with yourself.

[RedLocks]

your so full of yourself you keep quoting yourself lmao.i think i'll step aside now and let you talk with yourself.
like I said, warranted :thumbsup:

[palerider7777]

backpedal much? hahahaha so full of failure I don't even know where to begin.

where did i back pedal? wow no but i like how you side stepped the true facts of your statement about the ged as if you would have to be a dumbass to have your job taken by an illegal.nice 1 you and i both know what you were saying then instead of being a man about it you go on the attack lame.

[palerider7777]

like I said, warranted :thumbsup:

like i said side stepper.did jay z teach you that too?

[RedLocks]

like i said side stepper.did jay z teach you that too?
what is the deal with mentioning Jay z repeatedly? Is that something racial?

nothing else going to get a reply dude, just read the neg rep, keep talkin

[RedLocks]

nm, don't wanna air that out.

[Rusty Trichome]

This is fun...
Starting to sound like Felix and Oscar on the Odd Couple.
A hot topic, but hardly worth an anuerysm. And likely, it's not possible to flame aquiescence from another member in this forum.

If you are coming at this debate with the constitution and the law being your datum, then you'll have a different set of values than if social justice is your datum. Unfortunately they don't teach constitutional law any more, just case precedent law. (which consistently changes the law's datum to a more socially conscious point) So with social justice being the only datum most in our educational system are learning, it's no surprise that is what they will defend. Some day they (the untaught) might learn that there are two sides to what they've learned, but till then they will speak through ignorance.

If you are going to break the law and get caught, you should suffer the lawful consequences. Illegals should be no different in that regard, regardless of what "community organizers" and the American Civil Liberties Union want you to think...

[RedLocks]

where did i back pedal? wow no but i like how you side stepped the true facts of your statement about the ged as if you would have to be a dumbass to have your job taken by an illegal.nice 1 you and i both know what you were saying then instead of being a man about it you go on the attack lame.
So let me get this right.. You mistakenly quoted one post, and your comments were not related to the erroneously quoted text but the previous post which you failed to realize the wall of text in the posting box was not the marginally smaller post that you had intended to post about.

The result of this error was a complete failure at posting, and your comments that came hours after both of my original posts only referred to my unrefined post which you had attempted to adress, where you made the assumption that I was somehow calling Mexicans dumb, which you by the way gave me a thumbs up for.

but.. now you are making reference to the latter post in this scenario after insisting your comment only had relevance to the previous post. Then this somehow turned into me sidestepping... something... and curses and insults being sent to my reputation via negative rep?

Am I understanding this clearly, I'm sorry it is getting a bit confusing for me..

[palerider7777]

So let me get this right.. You mistakenly quoted one post, and your comments were not related to the erroneously quoted text but the previous post which you failed to realize the wall of text in the posting box was not the marginally smaller post that you had intended to post about.

The result of this error was a complete failure at posting, and your comments that came hours after both of my original posts only referred to my unrefined post which you had attempted to adress, where you made the assumption that I was somehow calling Mexicans dumb, which you by the way gave me a thumbs up for.

but.. now you are making reference to the latter post in this scenario after insisting your comment only had relevance to the previous post. Then this somehow turned into me sidestepping... something... and curses and insults being sent to my reputation via negative rep?

Am I understanding this clearly, I'm sorry it is getting a bit confusing for me..

ok i made it all up,for what reason idk.yea im trying to lie and make up shit for no reason.
the fact is i do that sometimes i read all of someones posts then i click on the last post they did and respond in the whole context of the posts.wow big fucking deal,ok you win wanna cookie?

lmao you get posted awhile ago about not "airing"the rep.but i guess it was eating at you so much you have been sitting around trying to fig out a way to post about it.but to where you did'nt come off as a cry baby about it.wow

ok you win make my ??'s to you about whatever you want them to be in your mind kk.i feel dumber talking to you any futher....

[JaggedEdge]

This is fun...
Starting to sound like Felix and Oscar on the Odd Couple.
A hot topic, but hardly worth an anuerysm. And likely, it's not possible to flame aquiescence from another member in this forum.

If you are coming at this debate with the constitution and the law being your datum, then you'll have a different set of values than if social justice is your datum. Unfortunately they don't teach constitutional law any more, just case precedent law. (which consistently changes the law's datum to a more socially conscious point) So with social justice being the only datum most in our educational system are learning, it's no surprise that is what they will defend. Some day they (the untaught) might learn that there are two sides to what they've learned, but till then they will speak through ignorance.

If you are going to break the law and get caught, you should suffer the lawful consequences. Illegals should be no different in that regard, regardless of what "community organizers" and the American Civil Liberties Union want you to think...

It is good to know you don't question any laws. If the government makes a law, like alcohol and marijuana prohibition than we should simply accept it and obey? We aren't the ones being naive here. All laws are not just, and for the record, I was brought up in a constitutional republican household.

I hope the feds bust you for using medical marijuana, you know, since you must obey ALL laws. Could you be any more hypocritical?

Also, social justice is not the only datum, it is however the most important.

And if you are referring to law school, they absolutely teach constitutional law.

[Psycho4Bud]

This thread is CLOSED. Some of ya win a cookie for now and there WILL be more prizes coming up when I have more time!:mad: Read over your posts and take a guess.

Have a good one!:s4: