3 out of 4 males from seed

[MistaJ]

Hi Guys,

I've been a bit unlucky with some non-feminized seeds and as the title says have got 3 male out of the 4 plants I have going. They are only in their first week of flowering after 6 weeks of veg.

My question is, can I take a few cuttings from the girl, revert her back to veg and grow the clones? Or could I revert her back to veg, get some feminised seeds, grow these then stick everything in to flower after a decent veg time?

I do not have a dedicated veg room so everything is in the one space and just worried about stressing her out. Also growing in soil if that makes any difference regarding clones.

The lesson today kids, if growing from seed, spend a bit more and get feminized...

Thanks.

[demoreal]

i have heard feminized seeds hermi real easy. i would take clones and flower all the clones. If it has only been flowering a week you can take the clones now. i took clones once off a plant flowering two weeks and they rooted real nice.
take the clones veg them and then flower them.

[MistaJ]

Hey demoreal, thanks for the quick reply.

So you think I'll be able to take 3 cuttings from her and put her back in to veg without stressing her out?

I've LST'd my plants and from what I've been reading on cloning it's best to take cuttings from the lower branches of the plant, does this still apply with a plant that's been LST'd?

[busybee]

hi mistaj,i'm in the same boat as you,bagseed,2male,1hermie,1female,only one growroom,dont wanna take clones and stress her into a hermie,so i'm just gonna let her finish and source some clones 4 next run!!

[stra8outtaWeed]

click on my bottom link in my sig...how to get more females from seed:thumbsup:

[demoreal]

I have read that too. the way I take a clone is just take any branch that looks good. I still have not been able to notice any difference from top to bottom. clone it I don't think it will stress it at all. I have done it with great results, but if you do take that plant out of flower revert it. i would do it kinda soon, but I don't think it matters if you take the clones now or later. I would do it now cause that means you don't have to wait.

[MistaJ]

Thanks demoreal, I haven't got any cloning gels or products atm, might be able to pick some up tomorrow and give it a go.

stra8outtaWeed, I have the same book mate but have found it a bit hard to control moisture levels in a 75x75x160 tent. There's not enough room to stick a humidifier in and I have been adding pots of water to try and raise levels but have not been able to maintain them to the levels mentioned in Jorge's book.

Busybee, I feel for you mate, it's a right pisser isn't it!! Time and effort put in and only 1 bird out the flock. I wish I had access to clones but it looks like I'm going to have to try feminised seeds next. I may just ride it out with the 1 female I have like you are and increase my knowledge for next time. Good luck with your grow dude.

Thanks for the feedback guys.

[stra8outtaWeed]

all of those things considered...i beleive following a "natural" lighting schedule being the most important and easiest to control...the rest of it you just try and do your best as a guideline...nice size tent you got there:thumbsup:

[WashougalWonder]

You will have your best results cloning with the lowest branches as they have more of the hormones to perpetuate.
Also it will stress the plant less as usual plant growth will kill off the bottom as it grows.

[Rusty Trichome]

i have heard feminized seeds hermi real easy. i would take clones and flower all the clones.
Please...for the benefit of all in here, show some proof of this statement. Hearsay isn't admitted in court for a good reason. It's a way to spread factless bullshit.

Every single strain, every single lady is a potential hermie. It's a self-preservation technique cannabis has mastered over the past 10,000 years. (or so) In the event of an emergency, she can self-pollinate to continue the strain.

If you are parroting bad info, and can't back up your statement with biological fact, likely you should keep your opinion to yourself. In my years (decades) of gardening experience, properly femmed seeds have no more incidence of hermaphrodism than 'normal' seeds.

I'd much sooner blame newbies for hermaphrodism. It's an easy explination, and likely true.

[demoreal]

Please...for the benefit of all in here, show some proof of this statement. Hearsay isn't admitted in court for a good reason. It's a way to spread factless bullshit.


just read up on how they are made it just seems logical that they will hermie. and theres been lots of posts of people pissed that theres did hermi. but you are right it could just be bad growers. (i won't chance those statistics to bad growers when these "bad growers" grew fine with regular seeds)
do you work for a seed company?
here is an article from 08 that i remember reading:

The Truth About Feminized Seeds | Cannabis Culture Magazine (http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/node/394)

from what I have read, the seeds are made from at least one hermaphrodite parent. If I have a black dad and a white mom i prob won't come out Asian.
there is no proof needed just pure logic. if anyone wants proof do a google search.
and DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR WHAT I WRITE OR WHAT RUSTY WRITES OR WHAT ANYONE WRITES!!!! do some research.
anyway i take it you have good luck with them.
where do you order your seeds from?

[Rusty Trichome]

Where do I get my femmed seeds...? Rusty's Seed Bank. Some of my favorites are my Swazi, Northern Lights (the original) C-99, Sweet Tooth, Potent Purple, Inca Spirit, PokerFace (Reeferman's pre Cherry Bomb) Diesel...and shitloads of crosses. Been doing it for years with no evidence of this bullshit about hermies EVER. Those breeders or seed salesmen that wish to convince you of their magical femming techniques, are likely afraid us ordinary growers will think we can do it too. (which they can with proper information, experience and the right growroom situation) You can cite all the articles you want, and fill your head with all sorts of doubts and misinformation. But I wouldn't make these claims were they not repeatable by anyone with the willingness (and skills) to give it a try.

By your post, you seem to have it in your head that only a hermaphrodite can pump out the pollen, so I'm guessing you think all cannabis ladies are hermaphrodites...? (False) Read my lips...EVERY STRAIN I HAVE WORKED WITH CAN BE FORCED. Period.
It's not a sign that a plant is a hermaphrodite. It means they have the ability to be forced. A hermaphrodite expresses both sexes at the same time, without any stressing by the gardener., It is genetically damaged. One that is of good stock, and stressed into the process, can be reverted back to normalcy through re-veg.

If one damages the genes in the process, or starts with a weak strain to begin with...then yes, the genetics can be degraded.

[MistaJ]

Hi demoreal, interesting article you point at there, but it does mention in there that they stressed the plants out to get them to hermi, which I believe is what Rusty is saying.

As one of the comments at the bottom of the article mentions, femmed seeds are ideal for people in a similar situation to myself where we only have 1 grow room, not able to take cuttings, flower certain plants to show sex etc.

I'm gonna give femmed a try next time so I'll report back on how things go. Not a massively experienced grower, but have learnt a huge amount from my first couple of attempts.

Rusty, when you getting your own seed bank online!? ;) Few strains there I wouldn't mind trying.

Question, does anyone know where I can pickup any Fruit Bowl (by SunshineSeeds) seeds from? Or Sweet Tooth #4 x Sour Diesel. I got given a few before this grow but none of them germinated unfortunately and would like to give them a try.

Cheers.

[demoreal]

it is true that you can force just about any strain to hermi.
i am not pro at biology but you don't think it would have impact on future generations.
you force it to hermi then reproduce.
apposed to force it to hermi and take a clone.
i really don't know.
but if rusty says he has worked with kick ass feminized seeds get the ones he gets.
your argument of shity growers should prob be more an argument of shity breeders.
there are alot of real good breeders out there. It would be bad for there reputation if it did hermi a bunch. so i guess just spend the money and get seeds from a good breeder.
the hardcore breeders do spend years working on strains.
i guess i am just a bit spoiled.
I live in california where people sell clones on Craig's list.
Rusty, i knew you would use the argument that you force it to hermi then breed it.

[demoreal]

Where do I get my femmed seeds...? Rusty's Seed Bank.
hahaha, thats funny. i thought so.
I like you. you stick up for your shit.
do you really have a seed bank or you just like breeding?
are you into breeding regular seeds as well?
out of how many plants do you go threw the selection process with?

[Rusty Trichome]

Was gifted some med strains when on another site many years ago. (thanks again to those that helped...) Been keeping 'em up to breed standards, and trying different crosses along the way. Lately I've been concentrating on 'regular' seeds, but I still dabble in femmed every once in a while. Sorry, until federal laws change...my genetics stay in-house.

I just recently (last year or two) got good enough with mom-keeping and cloning, so my demand for the femmed short-cut isn't as stong now. The hard part is keeping them seperate and properly labeled, but it still tickles me pink playing growroom god with the genetics. ;)

I try and blame the breeders whenever possible, but usually the blame is shared. Tiz why I cherrish the old strains I've got. Trust wanes as money (and ego) flows.
I did just have some Ducksfoot x Maui and some White Widdow show-up on my doorstep. Can't wait to see those in action. Was a gift, so will have to double-check the source for specifics. :thumbsup: