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ShastaCoMan
03-02-2010, 09:41 PM
this is whats going to KILL ALL DISPENSARIES in california.

Marijuana Cards Being Sold Without Doctor Recommendations - cbs2.com (http://cbs2.com/watercooler/Medical.Marijuana.Doctor.2.1529594.html)

redtails
03-03-2010, 02:02 AM
It will keep happening until it's legalised, so why not do it already! It's not like anyone can't get a card really easily as this article proves...

BigSurBuds
03-03-2010, 05:26 PM
If I'm not mistaken that is what the verification process is all about. Collective calls Doctors office (http://www.marijuanamedicine.com), office verifies that John Doe is indeed a Patient, and a card holder.

Seems simple. :stoned: (http://legalmarijuanadispensary.com/index.php?option=com_jreviews&Itemid=117&url=Los-Angeles-Dispensaries/california-dispensaries/santa-ana-cannabis-clubs-_c119_m117/)

personified
03-03-2010, 06:29 PM
It will keep happening until it's legalised, so why not do it already! It's not like anyone can't get a card really easily as this article proves...

Yes legalize. Until then we have to play by the rules or it is fuel for them not to allow it.

We forget about responsibility. This shows a blatant lack of it.

ShastaCoMan
03-03-2010, 09:25 PM
Yes legalize. Until then we have to play by the rules or it is fuel for them not to allow it.

We forget about responsibility. This shows a blatant lack of it.

here here...my thoughts exactly

bigsurbuds

you need to go back and re-read the whole thing bro. they werent walking in WITH a card and/or a recommendation m, and the dispensaries verifying them, they were walking into dispensaries and BUYING VERIFICATIONS WITHOUT A DR BEING INVOLVED OR PREVIOUSLY SEEING A DR. the dispensaries were just making their OWN recommendations up. one was even forging a dr's name on the documents.

its really no doubt that eventually ( most likely this december) cannabis will be legalized for everyone, but until that happens (and nothing guarateed of course), dispensaries dont have the right to break the law just because it should be legalized, that fucks it up for everyone else,now doesnt it?. its like i said already, most of the dispensaries out there are just street level pot dealers that,when 420 and 215 passed, decided they were going to give the persona of LOOKING legit. most of them havent even ever read prop 215 or 420. then , on top of that throw in the mix the amounts of money most dispensaries make in pocket each year and the prices they charge, and the cops dont see it as anything but a criminal enterprise. funny to, cause the cops generally arent concentrating on PATIENTS, there concentrating on the DISPENSARIES AND COLLECTIVES as they are the ones breaking the law, which equates to about 95% of them. i personally know guys who have walked into at least two dispensaries in sacramento, without ANY sort of recomendation from a dr,ect and bought MASS quantities of MJ. not one, but twice and more.

IMHO, this is the sort of stuff that needs to happen on the whole MMJ front.

i think
1. before a dr can write a recomendation, he needs to be required by law to get the patients medical records and completely substantiate everything the patient claims. the patient shouldnt be able to walk in and say "i have a back ache" without first presenting verifiable medical records to the dr's office .

2. before being able to work or own a dispensary , the worker/owner should have to go thru an EXTENSIVE background check, and anyone with drug arrests, drug abuse background, mental health issues and convicted felons should NOT be allowed to be involved in the industry at all. you dont have a clue how many of these so-called "dispensary owners" have felony records for drugs,ect.

3. dispensaries that are open should be CLOSELY monitored by either the state or county. I.E. they should be inventoried and the books inspected a minimum of once a week.

4. all a dispensaries employees, after undergoing an extensive background check should be required to attend a class (at their expense) that outlines what they can and cant do, and the law. they should be required to pass this course with a minimum of 98% before being allowed to step foot in the door.

5. collective and dispensary grows should be CLOSELY MONITORED by the county/state.

those are just a FEW ideas i have that would put this whole thing back on track.if we dont get some solid county rules and regulation, all its going to do is end up screwing shit up for everyone, the crooked ones AND the legal ones both, and eventually the patients that cant or refuse to grow their own. ive NEVER bough actual processed MMJ from a dispensary. only thing ive ever purchased is clones and grown my own.

redtails
03-03-2010, 09:57 PM
I agree with your proposal, except for #2 to an extent...Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of us have drug convictions, let alone any felonies? What about second chances, that's why people are released afterall instead of kept in jail/prison or killed. I myself have 2 possession charges, paraphenalia, and a DUI from weed just because I was a stupid kid and was unlucky. All are misdemeanors except the DUI because yeah motor vehicles and impairment can kill. Since then I've "grown up", but the blemishes are still there. Now I don't really want to dispense/deal or really even smoke it much if at all because that's a shady area for me & I'm not one of those that NEED to smoke, but I LOVE growing and would love it to be legal so I can become a caregiver for someone that needs it and be able to grow again. Just my 2 cents, your proposal just seems a bit too strict but government always throws in nice loopholes anyways...

personified
03-03-2010, 10:55 PM
I agree with your proposal, except for #2 to an extent...Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of us have drug convictions.

I have one from when I was 18 I am now 43 and it was pot related, I have had liquor licenses and the limit was within 7 years for that. I now operate a computer business have more initials behind my name than actual letters in my name. I did my time and now I am a tax paying citizen that works for himself because I can't get good jobs. It is ok I do all right and actually don't like jobs anyway to may politics.

I think 5 years is a good sign your are not doing anything any longer that is an illegal enterprise. But let us say if it is illegal why would a drug dealer not be the most qualified.

I have always said that pot drug dealers are business men that did not have enough capital to start a legit business. It is low start up high return. For someone who (like me) grew up on the streets with no one or nothing to help it is a lucrative business. We are all just trying to better ourselves financially.

The problem is with the gang mentality and it not being legal you can't really do the normal things in business like advertise make a better product ect. So the answer is kill the competition.

Which is not so different from the corporate competition. Um...let us look at the pharmaceuticals what are they doing other than killing the pot competition? Only there not using bullets there using money and influence which in turn gets people locked up and lives ruined.

Please do not miss understand me. I do not think meth coke pcp lsd should be legal they are all bad chemicals. Any drug that will cause you to steal or kill for an addiction is bad. Yes weed is addictive however it is a mental addiction not physical. Which means that you can walk away if you wanted to the others are not like that.

I am lucky in the fact I can work for myself. How after being a felon is someone to get a decent job? When you wonder why we have such a high recidivism rate think about that. What choice do these people have if they have kids working for minimum wage which is not enough to buy gas to get to work.

It is easy to be high on your horse when you have not been in their shoes. There is NO REHABILITATION IN JAIL it is only a place to network. Society is cruel and we wonder why people end up back in jail.

There is a place for jail as well as a place for compassion. Some folks need to go back others end up there because they have to eat or buy shoes for the kids while others end up there because of a plant they smoked.

I am in Az and the laws here are crazy everything related to marijuana is a F**KING FELONY. Now tell me how possession or distribution is reason not to let someone try to have a better life.

Just remember here in AZ the pot you have would make you a felon. Beware the sword cuts both ways. It is easy to point your finger at others have you pointed it at yourself?

I still say we need to act responsibly that means both the dispensaries and the patients.

redtails
03-03-2010, 11:23 PM
Mine were in 'zona too. In 2002, possession was a class 5 or 6 felony if I remember correctly, pled to a class 1 misdemeanor upon completion of a random drug testing program or just pled guilty with a $750 fine and no jail but sometimes unsupervised probation. Getting a job after, even though it's a mis. is brutal. I know 5 yrs was the LEO standard a few years back but I think I heard they changed it because so many people get arrested for it here, damn sherrif joe! At least they don't actively pursue people with warrants for it, but they shouldn't have to even arrest for it unless it's something that has endangered someone like driving while over a certain blood-THC percentage :thumbsup: and other crimes related to it's misuse.

ShastaCoMan
03-04-2010, 12:00 AM
I agree with your proposal, except for #2 to an extent...Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of us have drug convictions, let alone any felonies? What about second chances, that's why people are released afterall instead of kept in jail/prison or killed. I myself have 2 possession charges, paraphenalia, and a DUI from weed just because I was a stupid kid and was unlucky. All are misdemeanors except the DUI because yeah motor vehicles and impairment can kill. Since then I've "grown up", but the blemishes are still there. Now I don't really want to dispense/deal or really even smoke it much if at all because that's a shady area for me & I'm not one of those that NEED to smoke, but I LOVE growing and would love it to be legal so I can become a caregiver for someone that needs it and be able to grow again. Just my 2 cents, your proposal just seems a bit too strict but government always throws in nice loopholes anyways...

yes, but on the same note,its a PROVEN FACT that generally people who are convicted of felonies involving drugs generally will fall back into the wrong end anyway. as far as a "caregiver" situation goes, unless the person your caring for lives in your home and you are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CARE , it isnt going to fly anyway as the counties are changing their tunes in that respect. IMHO if a person has been convicted of a drug offese or felony, they have no business working in or owning a dispensary, ESPECIALLY if their felony was the result of a DRUG CONVICTION. in that situation, that looks like all they are doing is trying to find a legal way to do what they got convicted for anyway, which if im not mistaken, most drug felons arent allowed to even be AROUND drugs,period. same as someone convicted of a felony cant own,possess or even legally live in the same house with an accessible firearm. furthermore, in most cases,after a certain amount of time, most felony convictions can be exponged from a persons record if they have not gotten into any other trouble since.

illegal pot dealers pot dealers are "businessmen"?....i guess so are meth lab operators, meth dealers, crack and cocaine dealers,ect right?.....ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL, PERIOD. doesnt make any difference if you "did your time", if your a convicted felon, you have LOST CERTAIN RIGHTS, thats the law. most convicted felons i know own their own businesses, and thats good for them, but it doesnt change the facts at all, they were convicted of a felony. if you think youve "done your time" and everythings everything, wh dont ya head on down to the nearest courthouse, pick up the papers and petition the court to expunge your record? doesnt matter how ya try to sugar coat it. what needs to be done is any and all connection with illegal activity needs to be taken completely out of the industry. if that takes rejecting convicted felons from working or owning dispensaries then so be it. i will tall you this. if california voters had the inclination at the time they passed 420 and 215 that the street level dopeheads were gonna come out of the woodwork and break the law under the premis that they were being "legal now" they wouldnt have ever passed shit. the problem is that all of these drug convicted felons are now playing legal when there not. all you have to do is read the damn papers and postings online, and youll see , just like the link i posted that thousands of these so-called dispensaries are operating illegally and being operated by known felons and drug dealers. problem is, when the initiatives passed, every pothead in california thought ":oh, fuck!..im gonna get a recommendation!" because there were no actual regulations put into place to regulate whos doing what. what i find funny also ( and the main reason i brought the whole felony thing up) is that its generally the dispensaries that have COINVICTED FELONS either owning it or working there that are grey-area getting busted and shut down. for the most part, all of the guys i know who are on the level and HAVENT been convicted of something are the ones who are operating on the level and NOT getting hammered. whats that say to ya?

i emailed a whole list like the one i posted to the shasta county board of supervisors. it wouldnt suprise me if before its done at least a few of my ideas werent implemented.

redtails, do you have a drs recomendation?....you mentioned in your post you dont "need" to smoke.

leadmagnet
03-04-2010, 12:08 AM
Please do not miss understand me. I do not think meth coke pcp lsd should be legal they are all bad chemicals. Any drug that will cause you to steal or kill for an addiction is bad. Yes weed is addictive however it is a mental addiction not physical. Which means that you can walk away if you wanted to the others are not like that.


Sorry but those drugs do not make people kill and/or steal. People kill and/or steal because they're a-holes. Also, understand that LSD is NOT a physically addicting drug either. Nor are cocaine or meth realistically speaking.

Get an education before you start spouting mindless propaganda.

ShastaCoMan
03-04-2010, 01:02 AM
Sorry but those drugs do not make people kill and/or steal. People kill and/or steal because they're a-holes. Also, understand that LSD is NOT a physically addicting drug either. Nor are cocaine or meth realistically speaking.

Get an education before you start spouting mindless propaganda.


here here.....
i knew as soon as posted what id like to see as far as dispensaries goes id have at LEAST a couple of ex-felons pop in in protest, but fact remains,the majority of the dispensary owners in california have felony records, most for drugs. realistically, someone whos not been involved with illegal drug activity in the past just doesnt wake up one morning and say "heck man!...im gonna open me up a "non-profit" dispensary and start selling pot, all to help out my fellow man!"...sorry charlies, it just DOESNT HAPPEN. the majority of dispensary owners in california were like i said, street level pot heads/dealers that saw an easy and mostly legal way of bringing their illegal business indoors and presenting it as legal. and the fact remains, if these guys who have done that get the oprotunity to do it or continue, it will literally kill the whole ball of wax for those LEGIT dispensaries and patients.

the way i see it, if a prospective dispensary owner/worker has nothing to hide and is on the level, i dont think under those circumstances they would have one single problem with a background check, taking a class and being closely monitored by the county/state. if they were on the level, why would they?.. the ones who protest are the ones that are going to be doing the "grey area" and "shady" shit under the table and on the side when they think no ones lookin. it would be just like going to work at just about any legitimate managerial job in the marketplace. youd be subject to an extensive background check (ex-felons DONT get those sort of jobs by the way) after your background checks, youd most likely have to go to an "orientation/class" to learn what you can and cant do on the job,ect. and then after going to work, youd have a "district manager" looking over your shoulder.

hell, if i were opening up a dispensary id WELCOME the county comming in and helping me set things up , that way id KNOW UP FRONT im doing things to their specifications.....

IMHO no legitimate person wanting to get into the business and be on the level would have ANY problem with ANY of that. its the crooks and illegal dealers who would ( have the problem) because they wouldnt be able to sneak around and sell shit on the side, lie on the books, make fake ass donations to non existent charities to make themselves look OK and non-profit,ect . man, alot of these guys are putting YOUR MEDICAL MARIJUANA RIGHTS AT RISK...are you OK with that?.....im not. furthermore, for those of you who are thinking "oh, well, they cant do shit cause the voters passed it", well ya better wake up. it wouldnt take much at this point to get both 420 and 215 knocked out of the box, and thats exactly where this shit is leading. dont think for one second that youll be able to "overrun" the government and force them to make this shit legal for everyone by breaking the law and stacking bullshit up. when have you EVER seen ANYONE FORCE our government, federally or state level to do shit?....they will shut every dispensary every co-op,ect in the ENTIRE STATE DOWN before they ( the government) will allow any civilian to force them into shit.

also, if they ever go to the point of getting rid of 215 and 420 , youd have to bet that penalties for marijuana possession and use will go thru the roof

(oh, and by the by, glad you got your life turned around and got into the computer business...problem now is everyone who can plug in an AGP card or connect a hard drive cable is in the "computer business"...personally, im retired now, but i have my A+ certification, MCSE and novel certified, apache ,ive got a degree in computer information sciences, own 3 online forums ( one of them is one of the largest dealing with the specific topic it does on the internet) licensed hunting outfitter and was a licensed firearms dealer and gunsmith for almost 20 years...i also for all of '87 and the better part of '88 worked at Guantanamo bay for the military)


all im sayin is some of you need to get the joint out of your mouth, collect your heads and get right with this shit before it comes down and fucks everyone out there.

personified
03-04-2010, 01:10 AM
Notice the way the application question is phrased expunge does not matter.

Are you awaiting trial on or have you ever been convicted of or admitted in open court or pursuant to a plea agreement?

These thing still are able to be found with public records and the prejudice is there.

As far as me losing rights that is nice again I point that finger back at you. Remember that when the guy comes and robs you because he is tired of the society. Remember you did not want this guy to have a chance at a normal life. Remember that a man can only taking getting kicked back again and again for so long.

Mind you there people that are just plain violent. But you have to ask your self does the individual control the environment or does the environment control the individual.

I got out I am lucky but it was not easy and everyday is still a hustle. I wish I was as perfect as you you must be a christian. No that can't be because the bible says forgive and forget.

You live in a sugar coated world it must be nice. So how many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center?

ShastaCoMan
03-04-2010, 01:16 AM
Notice the way the application question is phrased expunge does not matter.

Are you awaiting trial on or have you ever been convicted of or admitted in open court or pursuant to a plea agreement?

These thing still are able to be found with public records and the prejudice is there.

As far as me losing rights that is nice again I point that finger back at you. Remember that when the guy comes and robs you because he is tired of the society. Remember you did not want this guy to have a chance at a normal life. Remember that a man can only taking getting kicked back again and again for so long.

Mind you there people that are just plain violent. But you have to ask your self does the individual control the environment or does the environment control the individual.

I got out I am lucky but it was not easy and everyday is still a hustle. I wish I was as perfect as you you must be a christian. No that can't be because the bible says forgive and forget.

You live in a sugar coated world it must be nice. So how many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center?



HAHAHA!...i WISH someone would come try to rob me, especially a doper/ex felon. that way when i stick my S&W 500 to their temple and squeeze off a 700gr T-Rex killer and remove it from their shoulders, i wont have as much explaining to do. thats sort of comical because everyone within 300 miles of me knows WHO i am, knows how many guns i have , how much video surveillance i have, and knows that if they ever came and tried to rob me, they had better have their burial insurance paid.

every convicted felon i know always has the same "woa is me" story

ShastaCoMan
03-04-2010, 01:27 AM
personified, thank you bro

i swear, since reading your post, and letting the wife and a couple of friends read it, we have sit here and literally laughed until we had tears running down our faces.

fact is, if you were convicted of a felony (especially more than once) and been getting kicked and kicked in the ribs, you have no one to blame buy Y-O-U. trying to point the finger at society and holler "boo hoo, whoa is me!" AINT gonna work. society didint make you fuck up, YOU MADE YOU fuck up. hell, when my first daughter was born and i was young ( i was 17 then) we didnt have shit. there were times when i actually went around and dug thru garbage cans every day for pop cans and bottles and other recyclables, just to put milk in the fridge and diapers on their assess, if i got to eat or not. you didnt see me out selling dope,breaking the law,robbin and rapin,ect because society was shitting on me. i went out and took care of mine legally. now, i own my own home outright, several $40,000 to $80,000 hotrods, 3 harleys and tons of other shit, and i got everything i got by working and being legit. no one helped me, i did everything on my own, so dont try to give me the sad story bro, you did what you did to YOURSELF, no one did it to you.

thats like the proverbial guy who gets busted for murder, his prints in blood around the body, on the murder weapon, his DNA in the womans cootch after raping her, and getting caught dead to rights on video doing the deeds saying "it wasnt me, i didnt do it!...it was someone that looked like me!"....BAWHAHAHAHAHA!

personified
03-04-2010, 01:39 AM
(oh, and by the by, glad you got your life turned around and got into the computer business...problem now is everyone who can plug in an AGP card or connect a hard drive cable is in the "computer business"...personally, im retired now, but i have my A+ certification, MCSE and novel certified, apache ,ive got a degree in computer information sciences, own 3 online forums ( one of them is one of the largest dealing with the specific topic it does on the internet) licensed hunting outfitter and was a licensed firearms dealer and gunsmith for almost 20 years)

All of my degrees and certs are as follows
AAS Real Estate Sales and Brokerage
AAS Business Administration
BS Business Administration/Information Services
MCT, MCSE, CIW, A+, NET+, MASTER MOUS

I have designed Storefronts and have several performing web sites for customers. I dabble a little in PHP and Mysql however I am not a true coder. Off course I can install forums like this which is PHPbb, OS Commerce, Joomla ect.

I started skipping school going to the college to play with the main frames when punch cards were still in affect. Then started playing with commodor64, TRS80, Apples and the first IBM clones.

Your correct I see the competition of the 15 year old kid that thinks he knows what he is doing. However I get a lot of my customers from their screw ups as well as the Geek Squad and Rent a Tech and others that hire people with only certs. Everybody that has listened to tech support thinks they know how to fix a computer.

I used to work for MS Support at KEAN (what a great company) I learned the OS the correct way. Most think that MSCONFIG is a fix I love it it makes me a lot of money.

However most 15 yr old kids with the exception of one I knew do not truly understand the server environment. Hell I am still learning every day :)

However while I am sure that some think I should not have a license I am actually looking at NM as a potential producer; I have not decided yet. I am close enough that I can go back and forth easy enough and still run this business.

Yes a felon can do it there after 10 years.

This is what I am talking about we need to be responsible for ourselves. I am responsible for my actions and have realized that you need to be. Not everyone is lucky enough to learn that. Business is what taught me this not societies threats and punishments and NOT JAIL.

ShastaCoMan
03-04-2010, 02:07 AM
"Geek Squad and Rent a Tech"

when i had my computer business going i got customers on a daily basis from their screwups.

dont get me wrong, im GLAD you turned your life around. problem is you are the exception and example, NOT the rule in that respect. but the problem we have in california still remains that the majority of dispensary owners ARE convicted felons, DO NOT operate on the right side of the law, and its those guys who fuck it up for the guys who DO TRY to do everything right. statistics show that the majority of convicted felons and drug offenders ,even with proper help eventually go right back to what they were doing before and end up right back in prison or in trouble. mainly because they see the easy money. they dont realizr that once you get busted once they are expected to walk and tow the line and stay out of trouble. believe me, i wish the world was roses too, but it isnt. we all live daily with and by the choices we make as individuals,be them good or bad. no one twists anyone else arm and forces them into criminal activity. no one forces dope into someones veins or up their noses. those are choices they make. if those choices are wrong ( and in todays society, they know there wrong before they do them) they pay the price. if not, they reap the rewards.


it all boils down to, like i said before, unless every single bit and connection with criminal enterprise is removed from the medical marijuana industry, it will ALWAYS be looked on as criminal,period. sure, you here compassion this, help thy neighbor that, but the majority of it is bullshit, you know it and i know it. the majority of dispensary owners are in it for one thing and one thing only. to sell pot and make cash hand over fist,crooked or not.

personified
03-04-2010, 02:07 AM
Remember I was convicted of MJ so you seem really high on your horse for someone hanging out in a forum like this. Do not forget I am not talking about me.

But since your listing things I have a couple of toys also

Lets see I have a 1970 El Camino SS
I have a 2001 Low Rider with custom paint of course lots of chrome.
I also have 20' boat
Oh and I have a 9" dick if you want pics I can provide them for you :)

The only payment is my house I have I do not believe in credit it ruined America along with confused people like you.

The way you brag it sounds like you have SDS and are trying to make up for it.

Do you even know one of the guiding reasons that MJ is illegal is because of people like you wanting to put blacks in jail because the were screwing white women?

You are so much better than the rest of society man I am truly jealous. The funny thing is your best friend is probably screwing your wife and you think your the man.

So condensing but when that guy has the gun in your face because you think your safe in your society you will realize what you have is nothing that can not be taking away from you.

I am now done with you as your a confused elitist idiot and we are not worthy of you. You can not teach a fool to be wise and should not reward ignorance.

personified
03-04-2010, 02:28 AM
That is what I am saying we all need to be responsible for our selves. I am not advocating that because of a bad child hood you have the rite to act out side the rules of society.

I am merely saying that it is easy to judge when your life has been easy. Try it from the inner city it is a little tougher if your are not strong. Unfortunately like the idiot above we are a materialistic society.

It is pushed in our faces daily and the haves will always be victims of the have nots. Because the have nots feel they are oppressed by the haves. It may be perspective and sometimes it is reality.

Remember that we are a society and societal norms are what define our behaviors. So if your white middle or upper class than your accepted norms are different than a black from the inner city. His peers have a different mind set of accepted behaviors. Also remember that norms change. Is that not what everyone on this forum wants is to change the norm for MJ?

The one thing I got out of college is there are two types of fair state and county. Yes I am the exception I was smart enough to recognize that in order to live in a society you must play by the rules. But never forget rules are different for different societies. Look at the Muslims they believe it is acceptable to stone a women to death and that is acceptable in their society.

I guess the best thing I can say is do unto others as you would have done unto you. Try and teach your fellow man a different path and when you realize it is a lost cause walk away.

Can you tell at first I was a Psyche Major before being a nerd. I quit because I am not empathetic nor sympathetic and can not handle the excuses that people cry out when saying poor me I had a bad child hood.

In a lot of ways I am callas and numb like the dink above. It is just that I understand it from both points of view. So again I say we must be responsible for our selves.

The funny thing is people like him come to an argument of wits with out the ability to communicate effectively they can only bash. It is sad it shows a lack of respect for others and insecurity in one self.

personified
03-04-2010, 03:11 AM
I did read the article before and I understand that it is a scam. Yet being responsible for our selves is also investigating and not be the victim.

However in my hast to debate I did not realize you changed your approach.
So for that I look foolish. But I can deal with it.

So I guess we must agree to disagree.

redtails
03-04-2010, 02:40 PM
redtails, do you have a drs recomendation?....you mentioned in your post you dont "need" to smoke.

Unfortunately my state isn't one of the lucky 13, but the last few elections we nearly passed a prop & this year we're likely to get it through. AZ actually passed one in 96 when Cali did, but it was repealed because of wording or something. So no, I don't have a recomendation, but with my medical/psychiatric history it would be no problem if the law were in place. I say I don't need to smoke because I'm able to manage myself fine with or without drugs, whether illicit like mj or legal prescriptions. Sure it helps, but reality is it's not a cure for anything really. It's like super prozac/vicadin in that it helps me with mood stabilization, anxiety, depression, carpal tunnel pain, etc.

Having a conviction is like any other crutch, you're no longer "normal" and have to work hard to keep up with the priviledged. I was lucky enough to have a very supportive mother, probation officer, and friends and have done alright since but definitely not as well as I could have.

Yes a lot of convicted felons or otherwise go back to their old lives that brought them there, but that's usually because their circumstances don't permit much else. Those that have better resourses aren't preyed upon by LEO nearly as much as the ones who have no other options than to resort to illegal activities to get by. Prison/jail is supposed to be rehab, but like was said it's more of a networking center for criminals. That alone makes me never want to go there, so that's my deterrant.

All my convictions except the DUI were for simple possession, under 1/4oz, and my thoughts are why should that disqualify me once it becomes legal? I wasn't trafficking to kids or involved in any criminal enterprise, just an unlucky/not careful stoner. I don't know, what you're saying Shasta just sounds to me like if the IRS audits someone for falsifying their taxes and then says they can no longer have a regular tax-paying job because they can't be trusted to contribute to the nation's economic/social security. That's a little harsh, and like was mentioned: the people who have mj convictions are more likely to know about it, so wouldn't that make them more qualified to operate a dispensary than some kid straight out of business school with a few pothead friends who just wants to make a buck? I should be able to list conviction dates on my resumé, like saying I've been a pothead since at least '02 (actually 2000) or something lol.

All I want to do is be a stay at home dad and grow a few plants, I wasn't talking about being a true full-time caregiver like a nurse or anything. More like a medicine producer/supplier to someone that actually can benefit from it. Of course with kids around it gets more complicated, but safety is definitely a priority. I don't have any yet but we're planning on it in a few years.

I don't see legalizing mmj/mj driving costs down for quite a while, so why not take advantage & use my skills to make a good living while actually doing good for people & making penance? Isn't that what life's about? You get what you give, and I try to help others in any way I can because it really makes a difference whether small or large.

I think I'm just saying, circumstances are all different and that's why it's so hard making these laws because you have to leave just enough room to take them into account but not enough for it to be exploited. I have family that've been in legislature making laws for over a decade and I know a LOT about the beurocratic system and how tough it actually is to try and regulate the masses. It's never black/white like any convictions=disqualification.

Anyways, I'm done :beatdeadhorse:, so :angry3:

Micsog
03-05-2010, 06:14 PM
me i' was a badddd kid an my list goes way back a couple pages i cant get a job
because of my felonies i can't get any money to save but i do have my own business kinda i work out of my buddies garage.
in god i trust all others pay cash!
i can only work in second rate factories that pay little an have shit poor safety
guidelines i live in a state where unemployment is higher then the gross national statistics of the same

me and guy i grew up with say this

trouble comes trouble goes through this revolving door,
some never come back, most come back for more,
it's like a house on a hill with a door that spins,
it goes in and out, out and in
and around again.

And guy LOWRIDERS ARE NOT 2001 FRONT WHEEL DRIVE JUNK

LOWRIDERS are STEEL and REAR WHEEL DRIVE
like a 79' monte or 64' impala or 53' belair even 69' chevy c-10 pickup
but not 2001.

i'm a custom auto fabricator and this is what i do for money

your talking about a SCUBBER - FRONT WHEEL DRIVE THAT CAN'T DRIVE SLAMMED OUT WITH AIRBAGS

i don't think anyone should have their past held against them more then half this fucked up country has a criminal record they did it on purpose to impose
on are civil liberties and import a police state

Micsog
03-05-2010, 06:38 PM
oh and if anyone pays 40-80 thousand for a hotrod and has a handfuls of H-D's
does not no what a hotrod is and has apparently not any troubles with this world so why even join a forum you better off living in your own idealistic world
not bothering or talking to anyone because it will spoil your happiness
because the rest of us (not elitist) live in shit

if you want a real HOTROD you can pay me to build it and i'll be nice an not charge you so much but keep this in mind

HOTRODS ARE BUILT NOT BOUGHT therefor you still won't be able to call it a HOTROD because you only spent money

it's like the thing you stick on the end of a vacuum cleaner to cut your hair
by no means can you call it a hair cut

scottiesng
03-05-2010, 08:15 PM
personified, thank you bro

OU MADE YOU fuck up. hell, when my first daughter was born and i was young ( i was 17 then) we didnt have shit. there were times when i actually went around and dug thru garbage cans every day for pop cans and bottles and other recyclables, just to put milk in the fridge and diapers on their assess, if i got to eat or not. you didnt see me out selling dope,breaking the law,robbin and rapin,ect because society was shitting on me. i went out and took care of mine legally. now, i own my own home outright

Going through garbage is an offence you idiot. You're a criminal. You've lost your rights. No more weed for you. No more dispensaries for you.

I want to add, i don't like you at all. But since you're human i'll give you a chance to answer - why should we follow the law - why am i a bad person for smoking pot when i'm in one state but a good person if i'm in cali??

personified
03-05-2010, 09:19 PM
And guy LOWRIDERS ARE NOT 2001 FRONT WHEEL DRIVE JUNK

LOWRIDERS are STEEL and REAR WHEEL DRIVE
like a 79' monte or 64' impala or 53' belair even 69' chevy c-10 pickup
but not 2001.


I am not sure where we got the front wheel rear wheel drive thing but uh..

I was talking about a Harley Davidson Lowrider. I like the lowriders because you just do not see that many of them. Although I am ready to get a full dress hog for those long rides. Do not miss understand me I love it it is quick and when the big ass carb I have on it dumps the fuel hold on or fall down. :)

I agree to brag about a hot rod you should at least know how to build it. I bought my El Camino put a new suspension, rebuilt rear end replacing the pinion gears (next time posi oh yea!!), replaced the axels, the carb, next on my list is the interior then the body as I want to make it look more snazzy.

It looks good now people break their necks looking back at it but I want to smell pussy juice when I drive around.~~~LMAO~~~

Micsog
03-05-2010, 10:28 PM
i didn't know you meant Harley Lowrider i got an old WW2 BSA hardtail frame
w/a springer front stored at my grandmothers shed my grandpa brought it back
from the war and it's sat there ever since he has now passed and i still don't have any money to fix it but i will keep it forever

i was taught by some pretty smart criminals not the ones that get caught all
the time i bet 10,000 dollars that your fancy gun and paranoia could not stop me if i felt the need fortunate for people like you that i have changed my ways and my point of view because i think over priced match box cars look like shit

ShastaCoMan
03-06-2010, 01:24 AM
a few of my toys

400hp 1967 ford mustand K code. will be in "mustangs and fast fords" magazine in july 2010

ShastaCoMan
03-06-2010, 01:31 AM
heres my 92 fatboy
thats me on the bike

ShastaCoMan
03-06-2010, 01:33 AM
my 1942 harley WLDD race bike and my rolls

ShastaCoMan
03-06-2010, 01:38 AM
this is my 1991 fatboy and one of my patio boats..i was gonna post pix of the new prowler lite 5th wheel i just bought and got parked in front of my house, but i couldnt find them. have to take some more.......i was gonna post alot more pix of my toys but this forums wont let me post direct image links, youve got to upload each one....

going around the first of the week to buy another toy i think

ShastaCoMan
03-06-2010, 01:43 AM
ive got a 1993 anniversary sportster too thats been punched out to around 1400cc's, a 1967 camero,1968 firebird, a ford T bucket and a bunch of other shit to.

Micsog
03-07-2010, 07:37 PM
my daily driver 77' cougar and my HAND MADE HOTROD + a broken BSA

your money is worthless you remind me of the movie WILD HOGS

trying to be hard cause you have money while sipping A MOCHA LATTE

ShastaCoMan
03-07-2010, 07:57 PM
im not trying to be a "hard case" because i have money. i dont see myself as a "hard case" at all, while others may, and i dont see myself as "having money" or being even close to "rich" or "wealthy" (although right now im waiting on a check for over a million bucks on lawsuit settlement,i might have a few bucks then.) ive ridden with 3 piece patch clubs alot of my life, and for awhile was the president of a well respected organization in shasta county. ive slept in the dirt on the side of the road in the desert, and under a few bridges on the road i might add.. nothing to do with being a hard case or money. ive worked god damn hard for everything ive got, LEGALLY i might add, nothing was ever handed to me . when i was growing up, we were damn lucky to have meat on the table and there were times that if someone didnt go out and kill something, we didnt even eat. if you work hard,keep shit right and in perspective and not do shit you know is wrong or illegal, things will go your way as people see that. worst thing ive ever done is get traffic tickets and speeding tickets (no , no DUIs, just drag racing)

my whole point in all of this whole thing is, before we can get the MMJ industry in line and respectible, the "illegal" aspect has to be removed from it, I.E. we cant have dispensaries operating under the radar illegally, or have ex-felons involved. why?...because even if they have turned their life around (like personified) , are working their asses off and being as honest as a priest (well, maybe not, ive seen some real dishonest priests) there still stuck with that jacket of being a convicted felon, and being in that position, there ALWAYS gonna be looked at in that light by the people who count.

and by the by, everything else aside, i WISH i had that BSA and that rat rod. you have the makings of a couple of sweethearts there. dont ever get rid of them, as even in the condition they are in, there value will skyrocket. if it were me, id take my time, strip both down to nothing and restore them both .

im heading down on tuesday to look at a restored 1970 factory hemi-cuda mopar a guy has for sale, and also a 1969 dodge charger. going tomorrow to look at 4 1.5 acre wooded lots in calpines for $1000 an acre. thinking large outdoor grow.

Micsog
03-07-2010, 11:36 PM
my 31' tudor is done nothing else will be added or removed it drives great and the 65'olsmobile motor is clean as a whistle inside

the BSA needs the jug bored and a rotating assembly
(i believe they ran it out of oil)

naturesmeds
03-08-2010, 10:19 PM
MOST of these so-called compassionate doctors, REFUSE to see ANY of their patients.
What do you expect after a sitting president(clinton) threatens them on national TV?
Who is REALLY at fault with this mess we have?

Don't blame me:
Its been 'liberty or death' for me, LONG before anyone was calling it medicine.
I enlisted in the military, specificly to uphold my constitutional rights to ALL men, as all military personnel are sworn.
Its always been covered up, but I'm not forced into wearing seat belts like the rest of you.

ShastaCoMan
03-09-2010, 01:39 AM
MOST of these so-called compassionate doctors, REFUSE to see ANY of their patients.

i wonder if thats why at some of those dispensaries that those producers went into were faxing back and fourth,ect. heck who knows. suprising though. when i went in and got my recommendation, the drs office was jam packed with patients.most of them new patients too. when i talked to the girl up front about how crowded they were ( standing room only) she said this aint nothing, we see upwards to 200 patients a day sometimes, most of them new....if ya start figurin at $180 bucks per patient, that adds up to a BIG chunk of cash for sitting at a desk and asking "whats wrong wit ya" and signing your name. man, i bet they make more than a darn heart surgeon! under those circumstances, id think they would WANT to see the patients.

leadmagnet
03-09-2010, 03:58 AM
Shastacoman, I'm curious why you find it necessary to beat up on the doctors who have the moral fortitude to engage in a controversial practice and issue patients medical cannabis recommendations in today's current legal environment.

We should be kissing the soles of their shoes for showing that kind of balls.

ShastaCoMan
03-09-2010, 06:21 PM
beating up dr's?

so you think its OK for the dr's to just issue reccomendations "willie-nillie" to whoever askes , undocumented medical problems or not?

thats where we differ.

i believe there should be much more stringent guidelines that dr's must be required to adhere to. right now, anyone who walks into most MMJ dr's offices with nothing more than a sad story and a prescription bottle can get a recommendation. i dont think thats right. thats like walking into a dr's office and telling him you have a problem and him just saying "ok" without examining you and writing you a perscription for shit like oxycontin or methadone. i think that before a dr should be allowed to issue a medical marijuana prescription they should have to completely document a patients medical history, send for medical records for at LEAST the last 2 years, and THEN after reading them and examining the patient, make the decision to issue a recommendation. i PERSONALLY KNOW over 30 different people who have gotten their recommendation without ONE SINGLE PIECE OF DOCUMENTATION or any records, and the majority of them dont have a damn thing wrong with them whatsoever. most of them are good friends, and know my views on the whole issue too. when i got my first recomendation, i got it from a dr in grass valley. i didnt do anything other than walk in and tell him about my medical problems, no records,ect and without batting an eyelash, he wrote me a recommendation for 5lbs/50/25,just on my say so. granted, i have well documented records myself (my current dr told me i had more documented verifiable shit wrong with me than any 3 of his patients) but when i got my first rec. the dr didnt require shit.

dont you think theres something wrong with that picture?

as far as them making money hand over fist, that wasnt being down on them at all. they ARE making money hand over fist. if i were a dr, as much as they make per visit per patient, id specialize in writing MMJ rec's.

the way i see it, the only ones who would have a problem wit that would be those people who just want to smoke it for recreation with no medical roblems, as those sorts of guidelines would not allow them to get a phoney bullshit recomendation

leadmagnet
03-09-2010, 10:20 PM
beating up dr's?

so you think its OK for the dr's to just issue reccomendations "willie-nillie" to whoever askes , undocumented medical problems or not?

thats where we differ.

i believe there should be much more stringent guidelines that dr's must be required to adhere to. right now, anyone who walks into most MMJ dr's offices with nothing more than a sad story and a prescription bottle can get a recommendation. i dont think thats right. thats like walking into a dr's office and telling him you have a problem and him just saying "ok" without examining you and writing you a perscription for shit like oxycontin or methadone. i think that before a dr should be allowed to issue a medical marijuana prescription they should have to completely document a patients medical history, send for medical records for at LEAST the last 2 years, and THEN after reading them and examining the patient, make the decision to issue a recommendation. i PERSONALLY KNOW over 30 different people who have gotten their recommendation without ONE SINGLE PIECE OF DOCUMENTATION or any records, and the majority of them dont have a damn thing wrong with them whatsoever. most of them are good friends, and know my views on the whole issue too. when i got my first recomendation, i got it from a dr in grass valley. i didnt do anything other than walk in and tell him about my medical problems, no records,ect and without batting an eyelash, he wrote me a recommendation for 5lbs/50/25,just on my say so. granted, i have well documented records myself (my current dr told me i had more documented verifiable shit wrong with me than any 3 of his patients) but when i got my first rec. the dr didnt require shit.

dont you think theres something wrong with that picture?

as far as them making money hand over fist, that wasnt being down on them at all. they ARE making money hand over fist. if i were a dr, as much as they make per visit per patient, id specialize in writing MMJ rec's.

the way i see it, the only ones who would have a problem wit that would be those people who just want to smoke it for recreation with no medical roblems, as those sorts of guidelines would not allow them to get a phoney bullshit recomendation

Lol. Dude, they're not issuing, as you put it, "medical marijuana prescriptions willie nillie". The fact that a patient is utilizing various prescription meds to treat a problem more effectively addressed through the use of cannabis is more than a valid reason for a doctor to recommend cannabis.

You can take your more "stringent guidelines" and place them where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned. You're just another prohib-lite interested in persecuting folks who gain useful benefit from our herb of choice.

Instead of demonizing folks who use cannabis, why don't you go count your money or sumtin?

Lead

moody420
03-09-2010, 10:42 PM
wow! this thread totally turned into a battle of "who's cock is bigger"!!!!

calm down on the battle boys....it's a cannabis forum! :jointsmile:

leadmagnet
03-10-2010, 12:00 AM
wow! this thread totally turned into a battle of "who's cock is bigger"!!!!

calm down on the battle boys....it's a cannabis forum! :jointsmile:

I'm more concerned about the demonization of doctors willing to recommend cannabis I see going on in this thread.

moody420
03-10-2010, 12:24 AM
I'm more concerned about the demonization of doctors willing to recommend cannabis I see going on in this thread.

I agree....I was referring to all the talk about how much money they have, how many cars and boats they own, and i do believe someone stated they had a 9" cock....whoa nellie! haha! And the picture with the hand holding all the $100s....classic egotistical male to even take a photo like that!

Lead....I do agree with what you are saying. In a perfect world, legalizing cannabis would be easy. But you have so many assholes out there that want to be in control and play Mr. big boss....millions of AMERICANS pop pills that were dr. prescribed (so that makes it safe) and drink till they can't remember the day and yet you still have people who will fight to the death to make sure fucking pot stays illegal! It's a sad world we live in!

Freedom for all....Legalize it! :jointsmile:

ShastaCoMan
03-10-2010, 12:55 AM
like i said, its the guys who are using ILLEGALLY who have the problems.

who in the FUCK was demonizing drs willing to issue LEGITIMATE RECOMMENDATIONS?

its very clear in my posts i am referring to dr's who are issuing them to ANYONE who wants one without cause.

its those stupid ass fucking idiots who are breaking the law that will eventually fuck it up for those LEGIT people that really need it, not you idiots who think "oh, man, ill go down and make up some physical problems and ill get a rec." I dont have ANY PROBLEM with people who are LEGIT and NEED THE MEDICINE. i have a problem with the fucking idiots who do this shit illegally who pretend to be something they are not, just so they can escape being popped by the cops for smokin weed, those guys who do it under the guise of being "legal" when they are fucking full of shit.

yea, so, ive got alot of toys and cash. i got what i have LEGALLY, i didnt have to sneak around and sell dope like a fucking idiot because i was to fucking stupid to get a job like some people. i worked for everything i fucking have...oh, and by the way, i DO have a 9" cock ( actually, its 9 1/2", but whos splitting hairs here) , i can show ya pix of that to if you like, damn proud of it. what do ya want, a soft or a hard shot?

fact is, until its made legal for EVERYONE ( which i TOTALLY AGREE WITH) BREAKING THE LAW IS BREAKING THE LAW. are you so stupid you dont realize that by people doing what they are doing, it WONT EVER BE MADE LEGAL. your not going to "force" the government or anyone else to do shit by overwelming them with illegal activity. why in the fuck do you think the dispensaries and collectives are having the problems they are having now? because there is so fucking much illegal shit going on, the powers that be are getting completely fed up with it. if it continues, whats next?...are these counties and cities going to shut them down perm?..bet your ass they will, and fucking around doing illegal shit and flaunting it isnt going to do SHIT except make it happen faster. some of you get on here and flaunt the fact that your doing this shit ILLEGALLY. FUCK!..i wonder how many fucking DA's, feds,cops,ect sit on here and read some of these fucking posts every day, taking notes of usernames, IP addresses,ect. hundreds,id guarantee it. as far as the "demonizing" dr's shit goes, as long as they are doing shit that will eventually fuck this whole thing up in the name of making a buck, YES, i will "demonize" them if thats what you think im doing.

im completely FOR TOTAL LEGALIZATION, but until the fucking illegal activity and stigma is REMOVED, IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN. until the stigma is removed, the collectives, dispensaties,ect ARE GONNA GET FUCKED WITH. as long as convicted felons are allowed to operate this shit, that stigma WILL ALWAYS BE THERE, AND THERE WONT BE ANY LEGALIZATION. as long as the dr's write undocumented and unsubstaniated recomendations THERE WONT BE ANY LEGALIZATION.....i cant believe that some of you are either to fucking stoned or to fucking stupid to realize that.

like i said before, its the stupid fucking asshole thats doing shit ILLEGALLY that would disagree with ANYTHING ive said as everything ive said wouldnt do one single thing to the LEGAL guy, only to the ILLEGAL end of it, and it would REMOVE THE STIGMA OF BEING AN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, and if im not mistaken, isnt that what were are ALL working towards?

anyway, im fucking done with this conversation. if your just toolin around doing this shit illegally, take my word for it, eventually you WILL be popped for it, especially with some of the shit ive read right here in these forums.

kiss my fucking ass.

moody420
03-10-2010, 02:16 AM
hey shasta...you are really worked up about this! I get what you are saying about people needing to respect the current laws if they ever want to see it legalized. There are always going to be people that fuck it up for the rest of us. I am a med card holder and go about it the legal way. BUT it should never have been made illegal in the first place! Anyone who does 30 minutes of research on marijuana law and the prohibition is baffled on how the govt. got away with making it illegal! I find it insane that people get so worked up about the "dangers" of marijuana, yet xanax and anti depressants prescriptions are handed out like candy! That's fucking crazy if you ask me!

It's great to have a debate and I absolutely love to hear other peoples opinions....but really what does your cock size have to do with any of it? I have double d's....that's not going to help legalize marijuana! :jointsmile:

And to scottiesng...you posted: why am i a bad person for smoking pot when i'm in one state but a good person if i'm in cali??

you're not a bad person for smoking pot in any state....it's the govt. that's bad....it's complete bullshit!

ShastaCoMan
03-10-2010, 02:27 AM
moody...

the thing is I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING!......the problem is they dont see what IM SAYING......im all FOR legaization,ect and i AGREE wholeheartedly it shouldnt have ever been made illegal in the first place.

my whole point in the whole thin g is just like i said. as long as marijuana is associated with illegal activity in any way, the chances of it being legalized are pretty slim. if some of these people would wake up, smell the greenbud and actually wrap their head around what ive been saying they would see right away what im talking about


and by the way, your DD's and my cock very well COULD change the laws i bet, that is, depending on who we flashed them at!

leadmagnet
03-10-2010, 02:52 AM
All this talk about DD sized boobs and nine inch dicks...

Face it, shastacoman. Yer a prohib-lite. You don't seem to know which side of the fence you're on.

Now moody... she's got brains and big tits!

moody420
03-10-2010, 03:04 AM
moody...

the thing is I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING!......the problem is they dont see what IM SAYING......im all FOR legaization,ect and i AGREE wholeheartedly it shouldnt have ever been made illegal in the first place.

my whole point in the whole thin g is just like i said. as long as marijuana is associated with illegal activity in any way, the chances of it being legalized are pretty slim. if some of these people would wake up, smell the greenbud and actually wrap their head around what ive been saying they would see right away what im talking about


and by the way, your DD's and my cock very well COULD change the laws i bet, that is, depending on who we flashed them at!

I do think people see what you are saying....but maybe just don't agree...or are turned off by your approach. I think you come off rather harsh and arrogant....makes you look like a douche. Posting pics of your cars, boats and handful of cash makes you look like a douche....i'm not trying to be mean, i'm just keeping it real.

The main problem with the medical laws is they are so vague it's almost set up for failure....and of course everyone wants in! People have viewed pot as illegal their whole lives....they have to do their own research to really understand what is going on behind the scenes of the govt. and media. It's not that people are too stupid, it's that they have been misinformed all along. The more we are out there debating these laws and bringing truth about marijuana to the mainstream public....thats where you see changes. California is on the verge of a historic change....people want their freedom back! I am one of them! :jointsmile:

Oh, and in my experience, shasta....when a man talks about his "big cock" as much as you do...well, it usually means he's lousy in the sack! come on, have a sense of humor! :thumbsup:

dirtnap411
03-10-2010, 03:26 AM
My doctor required 1 years worth of medical records, and a charge of $180, that may sound steep, but that guarantees an expert witness should I get arrested, you can get a recommendation for less, but not that kind of service after you have it.

ShastaCoMan
03-10-2010, 04:18 AM
My doctor required 1 years worth of medical records, and a charge of $180, that may sound steep, but that guarantees an expert witness should I get arrested, you can get a recommendation for less, but not that kind of service after you have it.

thats a good dr. i also paid $180 and got the same guarantee.

i posted all the goodies because people were talking about this and that, and yea, maybe that wasnt the right thing to do, but i did it any way..LOL...no, im not prohib-lite , i am 100% FOR COMPLETE LEGALIZATION FOR EVERYONE. the problem is, its impossible to force the government to make something legal by breaking the law. it doesnt and never will work. the stuff i mentioned would do one thing, distance it from being illegal, and open the path in the future to COMPLETE LEGALITY. unless you remove the illegal aspect, its always going to viewed in that light, which is NOT WHAT WE WANT.
look at it like this. if joe blow down the streets growing illegally and selling out of his garage to kids on their way to school, and he gets busted, but yet you have a legal grow in your back yard down the street, what are the police and peole in the area going to do?...they are going to mview your grow as illegal, legal or not. your going to be stigmatized from the gate. how many people who are or i should say WERE growing legally are waiting even as we speak to go to court after their legal grow has been busted under the premis of being illegal?....under those circumstances, legal or not, the neighbors in the area arent going to want you, the legal grower growing anywere around their kids, so there going to be all over the chief of police or the sheriffs office to come down and pop your ass......

like i said, we wont ever get those sorts of people to even look at it in a legal light unless the ILLEGAL end of it is taken away. the laws are such now that anyone with a legitimate need can go get a recommendation and be totally legal on the STATE level. the road to decriminalizing marijuana is to REMOVE the criminal element from the industry.

one thing i find funny. well over 400+ people have viewed this thread but yet only a couple of people have leyed in and bitched about what ive had to say. what does that tell you? maybe the majority of people ( especially the dispensaries and collectives) somewhat AGREE with what im saying?....makes ya go HMMM doesnt it?

leadmagnet
03-10-2010, 07:08 AM
Shastacoman, you speak of the importance in not breaking laws.

Aren't you breaking federal law when you use cannabis for medical purposes?

If you were a man of your word you simply wouldn't partake in cannabis use until the feds said it was legal for such purposes.

Ahhhh, the webs we weave.

ShastaCoMan
03-10-2010, 01:52 PM
we arent talking about FEDERAL LAW here, were talking about STATE LAW and the way things are going and are headed, but theres alot of people who are to hard headed to realize that we as a whole would be ALOT CLOSER TO LEGALIZATION if the "criminal" aspect of the whole thing were removed. im not going to say in the least bit that i havent broken the law in the past in regards to marijuana ( ive grown loner than most of these guys have been alive) BUT i never SOLD IT and profited from it, it was for my own personal use. people are going to do what tey are going to do regardless,illegal or not, but what i see is tons of people hollering "make it legal,make it legal!" all the while they are breaking the law themselves, making it very difficult for anyone trying to seperate the illegal stigma from it. the way i see it, the illegal end of it could in the very least hang a little lower profile and quit flaunting the fact that they dont have a recommendation. when they do that , (flaunt it) all they are doing is thumbing their noses at the powers that be, and as much as we dislike those powers (i love my country dearly, but absolutely despise my government) THEY are the ones who make the ultimate decisions, not me and not you, and until we, the actual people in the trenches give these dickheads a little bone for now ( by making the whole thing legal on OUR END, the patients,growers and dispensaries) we wont ever get it made legal in the state for everyone, which id love to see. funny thing is too ive spoken my views to SEVERAL growers,co-ops and dispensary owners and the majority of them ( the legal ones that is) agree with my views 100%. i think one of the reasons ive been as sucessfulas i have over the years is i learned at a very early age to stand outside the box and see everyones points of view. i do see yours, but i dont think your taking the time to look at mine in the perspective ive presented them.

also i cant believe that anyone could call me an anti thats on the level. ive got threads on here and pictures of my grow and plants,ect and talk openly about my own recommendation, ect.

evberything else aside, id still love to get together wit those double Ds and see if we couldnt vhange the laws...BAWHAHAH!

(as far as my toys go, i worked hard for them and im pretty proud of all the shit ive got. the way i see them is entertainment for the time being, but they are as good as cash in the bank and investments and in case of emergency, are as good as cash money)

moody420
03-10-2010, 06:11 PM
shasta....people want it legal so they don't have any worries with the law anymore. That's why most people get their medical card, to avoid legal issues! Are you telling me that if medical mj was to become illegal that you would never smoke again? I know I'm not going to stop! The millions of americans that smoke now are not going stop in HOPES that our govt. will legalize it now that nobody is breaking the law! That is ridiculous to even think that is how it would happen. Do you remember the prohibition on alcohol? Only made things worse, right? People were making their own booze and selling it on the black market....undercover clubs where people would drink whatever was available to them. They had to become "criminals" in order to get what they wanted. Eventually the govt. realized it wasn't working and it became legal once again!

They say it's easier for a kid to get their hands on pot than alcohol because drug dealers don't usually give a shit that a kid is only in junior high! If it was legal and regulated...you push out the need for dealers thus making it harder for minors to get their hands on it!

Anyways, i could go round and round on this but the bottom line (in my opinion) is that we need to educate ourselves on the laws, and make the public aware of what our govt. is doing not only to "stoners", but to law abiding tax payers! There's a lot more to legalizing it than just letting the potheads get high....so much more!

My tits or your "9 incher" are not going to change any laws! My reason of even saying that earlier was to prove a point....but men hear "DD's" and lose all concentration!

naturesmeds
03-11-2010, 04:24 AM
ok, there are some better doctors but, for the majority of recomendations, doctors offices verify records, & the doctor has very little, to no direct interaction with each patient
after all, this is the safest therapeutic substance known
(we all know it, don't we? its about money!)

a child can buy enough aspirin to kill us all
but they censure my medicine in online games

DjSkizzle
03-11-2010, 05:50 AM
ya whats fucked up about is it i was one of the patients that was taken advantage of... I didnt know that he wasn't a doctor... I found his add in a offical LA Jemm Magazine which should have been safe, he was even at the HempCon which I attended... how can he pose as a Dr. and get away with it? I wasn't aware that he was only a "PA" I paid $150 for my recommendation and its legit every where I go, I had to actually see a license doctor and gave him legitimate paper work stating why I think marijuana would benfit me.. I didn't just go into a room and say hey I want a medical card! "okay $60 please!" it way too simple to be true

Micsog
03-14-2010, 08:49 PM
i started smoking pot when me and my buddy found a couple joints in his older brothers room when we were looking for his porn we were only 10 it was the summer right after we had D.A.R.E in school it was something we never heard of
if they were telling us it was bad THEN IT HAS TO BE GOOD i have smoked ever since then i've been caught 6 times and prosecuted 6 times every time i told the
judge i will not stop it's my body i will do what i want to it. i'm 28 now and the only thing that has changed in my life is the ability to see through the bullshit
i have had no adverse effects to my mental or physical health ON THE OTHER HAND i have had friends do pills and die within the HOUR OF THEM TAKING IT! i would much rather see a kid pass out stoned as fuck rather him find his mothers pills and DIE ON THE SPOT. FUCK PROHIBITION,
FUCK REGULATION,FUCK THE LAWMAKERS THAT ARE MONEY HUNGRY

WEGALIZE THE NEED NOW! OUR COUNTRIES FUTURE IS AT STAKE!

ShastaCoMan
03-14-2010, 09:54 PM
i started smoking pot when me and my buddy found a couple joints in his older brothers room when we were looking for his porn we were only 10 it was the summer right after we had D.A.R.E in school it was something we never heard of
if they were telling us it was bad THEN IT HAS TO BE GOOD i have smoked ever since then i've been caught 6 times and prosecuted 6 times every time i told the
judge i will not stop it's my body i will do what i want to it. i'm 28 now and the only thing that has changed in my life is the ability to see through the bullshit
i have had no adverse effects to my mental or physical health ON THE OTHER HAND i have had friends do pills and die within the HOUR OF THEM TAKING IT! i would much rather see a kid pass out stoned as fuck rather him find his mothers pills and DIE ON THE SPOT. FUCK PROHIBITION,
FUCK REGULATION,FUCK THE LAWMAKERS THAT ARE MONEY HUNGRY

WEGALIZE THE NEED NOW! OUR COUNTRIES FUTURE IS AT STAKE!


bro, only my opinion of course, but i wouldnt be a bit proud of any of that if it were me........if i caught my 10yr old smoking pot OR cigarettes id probably be in prison for beating him half to death, and if id have ever been caught, id have probably learned what caused it the first time.

Micsog
03-14-2010, 11:52 PM
i guess thats where we differ i am proud of who i am and what i've become and the way that the state made me and how hardened i have become the less emotion involved the better i was bred into hate BEATEN and KICKED BY MY DAD the state made me thrive on hate i will submit to no one, no one will impose on what morals i have in anyway i will do what i want when i want and if anyone wants to stop me they have to kill me and they better do it from a distance i've been beaten,shot at,tied up,locked down and kicked around and i'm still here

BUT I WOULD NEVER BEAT A DEFENSELESS CHILD FOR ANY REASON

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF THINKING THAT WOULD BE ADMISSIBLE AND TO YOUR OWN CHILD MAN THATS SICK I'LL PRAY FOR YOU

ShastaCoMan
03-15-2010, 12:05 AM
figure of speech man.......

go ahead on and do whatever ya want to. it WILL catch up to ya one day in a baad way, just dont drag anyone else down with ya.

Micsog
03-15-2010, 12:49 AM
well been there done that i was bonded over to the state at the age of 15
and was in prison until i turned 21 i still smoked pot because the guards were the ones selling it then i figured out how to have my friends bring it to me and get it into lockup by another inmate we both got beat until we were almost dead by the guards for cutting into their business then we were thrown into the hole for 3 days without medical attention i ended up having a fractured jaw
3 broken ribs a fractured radius and a broken hand from them stomping on it
not to mention the burns from the tazer they used to subdue me before attacking me I STILL SMOKE! NOTHING GONNA CHANGE THAT
i don't grow but i help a couple people that have they're cards when they need it but that will change when i move to cali in june and if i see an add for a 50 dollar recommendation weather it be real or fake i'm gonna pay them and use the shit out of it and after i become a registered voter in cali i'm gonna vote
for legalization in Nov.

with your point of view it's no wonder why the war mongers and pain pushers are still in power

ShastaCoMan
03-15-2010, 02:06 PM
no, the fact is your to fucking stupid to even see what im talking about.

if we dont do something about removing the illicit end of the whole thing, remove the criminal element out of the industry, it WILL NOT EVER BE MADE LEGAL. its dumbasses like you who think they can force the state into making it legal for everyone. are you so stupid you cant fucking see that even though its legal with a recomendation in california right now that if the illegal end of it continues that the fucking people will see that and never vote it in?..i think so.

where ever your at, STAY THERE. we have enough dumb assess in california, and dont need any more ex-convicts like you fucking things up.

alot of you fucking ex-convicts crack me up. you seem so proud of your criminal past and your prison time, and make sure to point it out at every opportunity when you dont realize that generally when you bring that sort of shit up, although they may not say it, they are shaking their head thinking the exact same things i say out right.

i will GUARANTEE YOU that as long as MMJ is in the news, weather it be dr's,dispensaries or co-ops,patients or whomever doing something illegal we wont EVER have it legal for everyone in california as when the voters see it on the voting slip, there going to think to themselves " Californians cant even manage to get control of the criminal shit going on i n the medical end of it, and if its made legal, californias going to go to shit" and it WONT get passed. if you want to move to california, why dont you do all of us californians a favor and wait until we get shit worked out here. we dont need anymore dumbfucks gumming up the works....


OH, and by the by, please keep in mind you opinions are really in the SMALL percentage. ive talked to SEVERAL people who visit this site who own dispensaries and co-ops and each one i spoke to had the same exact views as i have. as long as the whole industry is connected to criminal enterprise , its destined to fail.

leadmagnet
03-17-2010, 12:21 AM
I don't mean to get too far off the topic but micsog does bring one important point to the table (whether he did so inadvertently or not); if we can't even keep drugs out of our prisons and jails, who of these boobs out there can tell us how we're going to keep them out of general society?

And how many of our citizens do we have to lock up before we decide we've succeeded?

rdrunner420
03-19-2010, 09:52 PM
like i said, its the guys who are using ILLEGALLY who have the problems.

who in the FUCK was demonizing drs willing to issue LEGITIMATE RECOMMENDATIONS?

its very clear in my posts i am referring to dr's who are issuing them to ANYONE who wants one without cause.

its those stupid ass fucking idiots who are breaking the law that will eventually fuck it up for those LEGIT people that really need it, not you idiots who think "oh, man, ill go down and make up some physical problems and ill get a rec." I dont have ANY PROBLEM with people who are LEGIT and NEED THE MEDICINE. i have a problem with the fucking idiots who do this shit illegally who pretend to be something they are not, just so they can escape being popped by the cops for smokin weed, those guys who do it under the guise of being "legal" when they are fucking full of shit.


Screw you, it's people who went out and broke the law and protested to get marijuana legalization to the point it's at. I didn't just sit on my ass and whine on the computer. I went out and protested, gotten ticketed, arrested, gone to court, and it was all worth it. If no one did anything then nothing would ever happen. You have to get in the face of the police, judges, politicians... pretty much whoever has authority.

I've been growing in Northern California for 25 years, and quite frankly you don't sound like a Californian.

It's jerks like you who are coming in and reaping the profits off of what we FOUGHT for.

I might be in Washington temporarily for a family emergency, but by the time i head back down to Cali by the end of this year I hope people like you haven't screwed it all up.



oh, and by the way, i DO have a 9" cock ( actually, its 9 1/2", but whos splitting hairs here) , i can show ya pix of that to if you like, damn proud of it. what do ya want, a soft or a hard shot?

Who the hell cares? This is a Cannabis board not a bragging board. Lets keep it on topic... it's about the herb. :jointsmile:

ShastaCoMan
03-19-2010, 10:30 PM
going out, protesting, getting arrested,ect for SMOKING it is one thing. presenting yourself as something your not so you cal sell illegally is another. THATS what we are talking about here. i was born and raised in california by the way.

the 9" cock reference was in response to a post someone else made, i didnt start that, but i do have to say it was very coincidental. why even hinge back on that....jealous? penis envy?...i offered to post some pix of it, but seems no one wants to take me up on that one...hehe...and who cares?....believe me, there are ALOT of people out there ( generally women) who are and have EXTREMELY interested....it can be a drag though cause ive had women freakin turn me down BECAUSE its 9"..furthermore, WTF do you know about it mr. newbee green pea one post? easy to brag and run your mouth about growing this and that for 25 years, but you by your own admission you aint even IN california, and for all we know, you could be so full of shit your eyes are brown. last i looked you werent even involved in this conversation.

rdrunner420
03-19-2010, 11:36 PM
going out, protesting, getting arrested,ect for SMOKING it is one thing. presenting yourself as something your not so you cal sell illegally is another. THATS what we are talking about here. i was born and raised in california by the way.
the 9" cock reference was in response to a post someone else made, i didnt start that, but i do have to say it was very coincidental. why even hinge back on that....jealous? penis envy?...i offered to post some pix of it, but seems no one wants to take me up on that one...hehe...and who cares?....believe me, there are ALOT of people out there ( generally women) who are and have EXTREMELY interested....it can be a drag though cause ive had women freakin turn me down BECAUSE its 9"..furthermore, WTF do you know about it mr. newbee green pea one post? easy to brag and run your mouth about growing this and that for 25 years, but you by your own admission you aint even IN california, and for all we know, you could be so full of shit your eyes are brown. last i looked you werent even involved in this conversation.

Who really gives a fuck about your penis? You continue on talking about it...

Believe me... it was for more than just "smoking". We don't just smoke in Humboldt, we live it.

I may have posted only one post, but you've got to start somewhere. I've been monitoring these boards a while and I find most of what you have to say is crap. This is a public post, so thus I am allowed to post my opinion at any point. Do you think you control this web-site or something?

So am I supposed to stay in Cali while my mom is sick? I may not be in Cali but it runs through my blood and I love my state.

You need to get off your high-horse and stop being so damn arrogant. I've been doing this longer than you have, I think I know what goes on.

risky9
03-19-2010, 11:40 PM
my plant just grew its really small its just got four leaves andit has two lil small leaves in the bottom turning yellow. its a purple kush plant and i need to save it any tips??

leadmagnet
03-21-2010, 12:44 AM
Now, now, rdrunner. While granted, most of what shastacoman says is crap; you must admit if he really does have a nine inch manrod- one can't help but be impressed assuming it ain't a half inch in diameter or some such.

Not that I'm gay or anything... It just seems life would be so much simpler if I had a bigger dick.

Lead

rdrunner420
03-21-2010, 05:00 AM
Now, now, rdrunner. While granted, most of what shastacoman says is crap; you must admit if he really does have a nine inch manrod- one can't help but be impressed assuming it ain't a half inch in diameter or some such.

Not that I'm gay or anything... It just seems life would be so much simpler if I had a bigger dick.

Lead

I guess it would make life more jolly, wouldn't it?
I guess if he does have one he could at least give himself a BJ. :D

Sorry for the outburst but people like him really irritate me.

How are things in Nor Cal anyway? Really miss it. Here are some pictures of my last crop before I left.

First two outdoor summer crop... second two indoor winter crop. ;)


Can't wait to get back... :smokin:

leadmagnet
03-21-2010, 06:27 AM
Nice plants RD. Actually, I don't live in N. Cal. I live in the Mojave Freakin Desert.

At least for now... Growing outdoors down here is a bit of a challenge in the summer. On the flip side, can ride my harley all year as long as I'm careful not to boil my brain in the heat.

ShastaCoMan
03-22-2010, 05:02 PM
can ride my harley all year as long as I'm careful not to boil my brain in the heat.

yea, im an all weather rider myself. rain or shine, snow,ect. 2 years ago i went down to help some of my R&W buds setup the annual valentines day party in redding ( i rode with a 3 piece club for a long time) and when i left, it was gorgeous. 75 degrees without a cloud in the sky. we got all setup by 2pm, and i decided rather than freeze my ass off on the way home and have to deal with redding PD and shasta CO, i took off. by the time i got up the hill it was dark. the closer i got to the mountain pass, the harder it snowed. by the time i got to the top, it was so cold ( 18 degrees below zero, havent a clue what the windchill was) my bike shut completely down, and my cellular phone froze, and the screen cracked. even with all of my leathers on, thermals,ect by the time the tow truck got there, i had to go to the hospital for hypothermia. the dr said if id have been out there another 15 minutes id have probably froze to death. nasty situation!

im not even interested in what that idiots got to say bro. i skipped over his posts completely.LOL!......

anyway, gotta run. i bought a 1969 pontiac GTO Judge yesterday and ive got to go do a few things.....


later

rdrunner420
03-23-2010, 04:08 AM
Nice plants RD. Actually, I don't live in N. Cal. I live in the Mojave Freakin Desert.

Hey thanks, most of the credit to FoxFarm... totally all organic. :thumbsup:


im not even interested in what that idiots got to say bro. i skipped over his posts completely.LOL!.

Up for a little debate on this issue? C'mon don't be scared...:(