Recomendations WITHOUT SEEING A DR?

[ShastaCoMan]

this is whats going to KILL ALL DISPENSARIES in california.

Marijuana Cards Being Sold Without Doctor Recommendations - cbs2.com

ShastaCoMan Reviewed by ShastaCoMan on 03-02-2010. Recomendations WITHOUT SEEING A DR? this is whats going to KILL ALL DISPENSARIES in california. Marijuana Cards Being Sold Without Doctor Recommendations - cbs2.com Rating: 5

[redtails]

It will keep happening until it's legalised, so why not do it already! It's not like anyone can't get a card really easily as this article proves...

[BigSurBuds]

If I'm not mistaken that is what the verification process is all about. Collective calls Doctors office, office verifies that John Doe is indeed a Patient, and a card holder.

Seems simple. :stoned:

[personified]

It will keep happening until it's legalised, so why not do it already! It's not like anyone can't get a card really easily as this article proves...

Yes legalize. Until then we have to play by the rules or it is fuel for them not to allow it.

We forget about responsibility. This shows a blatant lack of it.

[ShastaCoMan]

Yes legalize. Until then we have to play by the rules or it is fuel for them not to allow it.

We forget about responsibility. This shows a blatant lack of it.

here here...my thoughts exactly

bigsurbuds

you need to go back and re-read the whole thing bro. they werent walking in WITH a card and/or a recommendation m, and the dispensaries verifying them, they were walking into dispensaries and BUYING VERIFICATIONS WITHOUT A DR BEING INVOLVED OR PREVIOUSLY SEEING A DR. the dispensaries were just making their OWN recommendations up. one was even forging a dr's name on the documents.

its really no doubt that eventually ( most likely this december) cannabis will be legalized for everyone, but until that happens (and nothing guarateed of course), dispensaries dont have the right to break the law just because it should be legalized, that fucks it up for everyone else,now doesnt it?. its like i said already, most of the dispensaries out there are just street level pot dealers that,when 420 and 215 passed, decided they were going to give the persona of LOOKING legit. most of them havent even ever read prop 215 or 420. then , on top of that throw in the mix the amounts of money most dispensaries make in pocket each year and the prices they charge, and the cops dont see it as anything but a criminal enterprise. funny to, cause the cops generally arent concentrating on PATIENTS, there concentrating on the DISPENSARIES AND COLLECTIVES as they are the ones breaking the law, which equates to about 95% of them. i personally know guys who have walked into at least two dispensaries in sacramento, without ANY sort of recomendation from a dr,ect and bought MASS quantities of MJ. not one, but twice and more.

IMHO, this is the sort of stuff that needs to happen on the whole MMJ front.

i think
1. before a dr can write a recomendation, he needs to be required by law to get the patients medical records and completely substantiate everything the patient claims. the patient shouldnt be able to walk in and say "i have a back ache" without first presenting verifiable medical records to the dr's office .

2. before being able to work or own a dispensary , the worker/owner should have to go thru an EXTENSIVE background check, and anyone with drug arrests, drug abuse background, mental health issues and convicted felons should NOT be allowed to be involved in the industry at all. you dont have a clue how many of these so-called "dispensary owners" have felony records for drugs,ect.

3. dispensaries that are open should be CLOSELY monitored by either the state or county. I.E. they should be inventoried and the books inspected a minimum of once a week.

4. all a dispensaries employees, after undergoing an extensive background check should be required to attend a class (at their expense) that outlines what they can and cant do, and the law. they should be required to pass this course with a minimum of 98% before being allowed to step foot in the door.

5. collective and dispensary grows should be CLOSELY MONITORED by the county/state.

those are just a FEW ideas i have that would put this whole thing back on track.if we dont get some solid county rules and regulation, all its going to do is end up screwing shit up for everyone, the crooked ones AND the legal ones both, and eventually the patients that cant or refuse to grow their own. ive NEVER bough actual processed MMJ from a dispensary. only thing ive ever purchased is clones and grown my own.

[redtails]

I agree with your proposal, except for #2 to an extent...Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of us have drug convictions, let alone any felonies? What about second chances, that's why people are released afterall instead of kept in jail/prison or killed. I myself have 2 possession charges, paraphenalia, and a DUI from weed just because I was a stupid kid and was unlucky. All are misdemeanors except the DUI because yeah motor vehicles and impairment can kill. Since then I've "grown up", but the blemishes are still there. Now I don't really want to dispense/deal or really even smoke it much if at all because that's a shady area for me & I'm not one of those that NEED to smoke, but I LOVE growing and would love it to be legal so I can become a caregiver for someone that needs it and be able to grow again. Just my 2 cents, your proposal just seems a bit too strict but government always throws in nice loopholes anyways...

[personified]

I agree with your proposal, except for #2 to an extent...Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of us have drug convictions.

I have one from when I was 18 I am now 43 and it was pot related, I have had liquor licenses and the limit was within 7 years for that. I now operate a computer business have more initials behind my name than actual letters in my name. I did my time and now I am a tax paying citizen that works for himself because I can't get good jobs. It is ok I do all right and actually don't like jobs anyway to may politics.

I think 5 years is a good sign your are not doing anything any longer that is an illegal enterprise. But let us say if it is illegal why would a drug dealer not be the most qualified.

I have always said that pot drug dealers are business men that did not have enough capital to start a legit business. It is low start up high return. For someone who (like me) grew up on the streets with no one or nothing to help it is a lucrative business. We are all just trying to better ourselves financially.

The problem is with the gang mentality and it not being legal you can't really do the normal things in business like advertise make a better product ect. So the answer is kill the competition.

Which is not so different from the corporate competition. Um...let us look at the pharmaceuticals what are they doing other than killing the pot competition? Only there not using bullets there using money and influence which in turn gets people locked up and lives ruined.

Please do not miss understand me. I do not think meth coke pcp lsd should be legal they are all bad chemicals. Any drug that will cause you to steal or kill for an addiction is bad. Yes weed is addictive however it is a mental addiction not physical. Which means that you can walk away if you wanted to the others are not like that.

I am lucky in the fact I can work for myself. How after being a felon is someone to get a decent job? When you wonder why we have such a high recidivism rate think about that. What choice do these people have if they have kids working for minimum wage which is not enough to buy gas to get to work.

It is easy to be high on your horse when you have not been in their shoes. There is NO REHABILITATION IN JAIL it is only a place to network. Society is cruel and we wonder why people end up back in jail.

There is a place for jail as well as a place for compassion. Some folks need to go back others end up there because they have to eat or buy shoes for the kids while others end up there because of a plant they smoked.

I am in Az and the laws here are crazy everything related to marijuana is a F**KING FELONY. Now tell me how possession or distribution is reason not to let someone try to have a better life.

Just remember here in AZ the pot you have would make you a felon. Beware the sword cuts both ways. It is easy to point your finger at others have you pointed it at yourself?

I still say we need to act responsibly that means both the dispensaries and the patients.

[redtails]

Mine were in 'zona too. In 2002, possession was a class 5 or 6 felony if I remember correctly, pled to a class 1 misdemeanor upon completion of a random drug testing program or just pled guilty with a $750 fine and no jail but sometimes unsupervised probation. Getting a job after, even though it's a mis. is brutal. I know 5 yrs was the LEO standard a few years back but I think I heard they changed it because so many people get arrested for it here, damn sherrif joe! At least they don't actively pursue people with warrants for it, but they shouldn't have to even arrest for it unless it's something that has endangered someone like driving while over a certain blood-THC percentage :thumbsup: and other crimes related to it's misuse.

[ShastaCoMan]

I agree with your proposal, except for #2 to an extent...Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of us have drug convictions, let alone any felonies? What about second chances, that's why people are released afterall instead of kept in jail/prison or killed. I myself have 2 possession charges, paraphenalia, and a DUI from weed just because I was a stupid kid and was unlucky. All are misdemeanors except the DUI because yeah motor vehicles and impairment can kill. Since then I've "grown up", but the blemishes are still there. Now I don't really want to dispense/deal or really even smoke it much if at all because that's a shady area for me & I'm not one of those that NEED to smoke, but I LOVE growing and would love it to be legal so I can become a caregiver for someone that needs it and be able to grow again. Just my 2 cents, your proposal just seems a bit too strict but government always throws in nice loopholes anyways...

yes, but on the same note,its a PROVEN FACT that generally people who are convicted of felonies involving drugs generally will fall back into the wrong end anyway. as far as a "caregiver" situation goes, unless the person your caring for lives in your home and you are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CARE , it isnt going to fly anyway as the counties are changing their tunes in that respect. IMHO if a person has been convicted of a drug offese or felony, they have no business working in or owning a dispensary, ESPECIALLY if their felony was the result of a DRUG CONVICTION. in that situation, that looks like all they are doing is trying to find a legal way to do what they got convicted for anyway, which if im not mistaken, most drug felons arent allowed to even be AROUND drugs,period. same as someone convicted of a felony cant own,possess or even legally live in the same house with an accessible firearm. furthermore, in most cases,after a certain amount of time, most felony convictions can be exponged from a persons record if they have not gotten into any other trouble since.

illegal pot dealers pot dealers are "businessmen"?....i guess so are meth lab operators, meth dealers, crack and cocaine dealers,ect right?.....ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL, PERIOD. doesnt make any difference if you "did your time", if your a convicted felon, you have LOST CERTAIN RIGHTS, thats the law. most convicted felons i know own their own businesses, and thats good for them, but it doesnt change the facts at all, they were convicted of a felony. if you think youve "done your time" and everythings everything, wh dont ya head on down to the nearest courthouse, pick up the papers and petition the court to expunge your record? doesnt matter how ya try to sugar coat it. what needs to be done is any and all connection with illegal activity needs to be taken completely out of the industry. if that takes rejecting convicted felons from working or owning dispensaries then so be it. i will tall you this. if california voters had the inclination at the time they passed 420 and 215 that the street level dopeheads were gonna come out of the woodwork and break the law under the premis that they were being "legal now" they wouldnt have ever passed shit. the problem is that all of these drug convicted felons are now playing legal when there not. all you have to do is read the damn papers and postings online, and youll see , just like the link i posted that thousands of these so-called dispensaries are operating illegally and being operated by known felons and drug dealers. problem is, when the initiatives passed, every pothead in california thought "h, fuck!..im gonna get a recommendation!" because there were no actual regulations put into place to regulate whos doing what. what i find funny also ( and the main reason i brought the whole felony thing up) is that its generally the dispensaries that have COINVICTED FELONS either owning it or working there that are grey-area getting busted and shut down. for the most part, all of the guys i know who are on the level and HAVENT been convicted of something are the ones who are operating on the level and NOT getting hammered. whats that say to ya?

i emailed a whole list like the one i posted to the shasta county board of supervisors. it wouldnt suprise me if before its done at least a few of my ideas werent implemented.

redtails, do you have a drs recomendation?....you mentioned in your post you dont "need" to smoke.

[leadmagnet]

Please do not miss understand me. I do not think meth coke pcp lsd should be legal they are all bad chemicals. Any drug that will cause you to steal or kill for an addiction is bad. Yes weed is addictive however it is a mental addiction not physical. Which means that you can walk away if you wanted to the others are not like that.

Sorry but those drugs do not make people kill and/or steal. People kill and/or steal because they're a-holes. Also, understand that LSD is NOT a physically addicting drug either. Nor are cocaine or meth realistically speaking.

Get an education before you start spouting mindless propaganda.