Phat Jays 2nd Grow (CFL/Coco) w/pics

[PhatJay]

I started off my second grow today. I am keeping my setup similar to last time, but I am hoping to try out a couple of new things this time round. I am also mixing my own food for this grow.

My last grow is still in it's final 2 weeks so I am using a smaller cupboard to start these off and I will be transferring them across to my main cabinet, when the other 2 plants are finished and harvested. :jointsmile:

Today I potted up my cuttings and fed them with 200ml 1/4 strength Canna Hydro Vega nutes.

(Click for hi-res versions)

Plant D
http://imgur.com/Rb9FOl.jpg (http://imgur.com/Rb9FO.jpg)

Plant E
http://imgur.com/drJApl.jpg (http://imgur.com/drJAp.jpg)

[jtsik330]

Are you growing genetics or bagseed?

[PhatJay]

Are you growing genetics or bagseed?

Ghetto Genetics :weedpoke:

It's from the same family line as the cuttings for my last grow.

[scottiesng]

Nice, looks good. Subscribed! Hope it goes as well as the last one's going.

[scottiesng]

Nice, looks great. Hope it goes as well as the last one's going. Subscribed.

[aquanaut]

Nice! Good luck with your next grow :thumbsup::thumbsup:

I'm still waiting for my babies to show some sex :(

[PhatJay]

I have now started adding Cannazyme to my feed at half strength. So my feed is 1/4 strength Canna Hydro Vega + 1/2 strength Cannazyme. I am watering at 200ml per plant a day now.

(click for hi-res versions)
Plant D
http://imgur.com/esgpDl.jpg (http://imgur.com/esgpD.jpg)

Plant E
http://imgur.com/mv5zYl.jpg (http://imgur.com/mv5zY.jpg)

[PhatJay]

I have now started adding Cannazyme to my feed at half strength. So my feed is 1/4 strength Canna Hydro Vega + 1/2 strength Cannazyme. I am watering at 200ml per plant a day now.


I got the above post wrong, I have stepped up my nute dosage to half strength. It should read...

"I have now started adding Cannazyme to my feed at half strength. So my feed is 1/2 strength Canna Hydro Vega + 1/2 strength Cannazyme. I am watering at 200ml per plant a day now."

[PhatJay]

Having nearly finished my 1st grow I am feeling a bit more confident this time around. Last time I just let them grow naturally and I think it is going to have an effect on the size of my harvest. So today I think I Fimmed my plants. :)

Stepped up nutes to 3/4 strength. I am using 3/4 strength because my local grow shop recommends this when using hydro food in coco. I also think this is why my food supplying friend told me to feed 2 days on, 1 day off, when I was getting full strength food from him, as this would make my feed strength about 66% last time round.

Pics taken before my attempt at fimming
Plant D
http://imgur.com/rwBfRl.jpg (http://imgur.com/rwBfR.jpg)

Plant E
http://imgur.com/nFlPil.jpg (http://imgur.com/nFlPi.jpg)

[PhatJay]

I havn't updated for a while because I had to give back the camera I had on loan. I have it back now, so here goes....

My first attempt at Fimming has worked on plant E but not D. I think I didn't cut enough off D or I cut it a little late. Plant E has four main tops and D has the usual one. I suppose one advantage of the FIM going wrong on D, is that I will get to compare the results side by side.

I am considering trying a Scrog for my next grow and I think Topping and/or Fimming would help with this, because plant E is really open and spread out and I can see that it would definitely help fill a screen. The only thing that is putting me of a scrog is the time factor, I like a low maintenance setup.

[PhatJay]

Day 21 Veg

Moved the plants into my main cabinet, they are now vegging under 2x125w cfls (blue spectrum). I am still feeding them 3/4 strength Canna Aqua Vega and full strength Cannazyme on a daily basis at lights on.

Day 1 Flower

Pruned out a lot of the growth around the base of the plants so I get less popcorn buds this time round. I also added about another inch of coco around the base of the plants. I have now switched to feeding them 3/4 strength Canna Hydro Flores and full strength Cannazyme. They are currently drinking around 450/500ml a day.

I also switched the bulbs to 2x125w cfls (red spectrum)

Day 7 Flower

The girls are looking very healthy and showing signs of flowering. I am still feeding with 3/4 strength Canna Hydro Flores and full strength Cannazyme.

(click for hi-res versions)

Plant E (left) Plant D (right)
http://imgur.com/z0OoGl.jpg (http://imgur.com/z0OoG.jpg)

Plant E (aka Four Tops)
http://imgur.com/xnroul.jpg (http://imgur.com/xnrou.jpg)

Plant D
http://imgur.com/eWdahl.jpg (http://imgur.com/eWdah.jpg)

Plant D
http://imgur.com/ZXsTsl.jpg (http://imgur.com/ZXsTs.jpg)

[PhatJay]

I have now started adding Cannaboost to my feed at 3ml per litre. I know Cannaboost is expensive and probably overkill on my setup, but I got 2 bottles of it for free. If your growing on a budget I recommend visiting a cannabis growing show, I must have got a good $200 worth of food for practically nothing ($20 for fuel and parking).

Free Food!
http://imgur.com/U09Hxl.jpg (http://imgur.com/U09Hx.jpg)


The girls are coming on O.K. despite the fact that I made a noob mistake when mixing up my last batch of food. I accidentally mixed it at half strength, I didn't realise my error until until I mixed up a new batch yesterday. I think it has slowed flowering down just a little bit after comparing these pics to my plants in my last grow log, at the same age.


Plant D (Main Cola)
http://imgur.com/rgW2kl.jpg (http://imgur.com/rgW2k.jpg)


Plant E - There are four top buds in this picture, honest! They are just really hard to spot.
http://imgur.com/7tAGOl.jpg (http://imgur.com/7tAGO.jpg)

[PhatJay]

I am continiuing with the same food regime of 3/4 Strength Canna Hydro Flores, full strength Cannazyme and 3ml per litre Cannaboost, feeding daily at lights on.

I don't want to jinx myself, but both plants are looking really, really healthy. They are not quite as advanced as my last grow at this age, as they seem to be about 3-4 days behind. This could be due to my earlier underfeeding mistake or the fact that I vegged these for 28 days and the last grow I vegged for 39. Who knows, but it is going to be interesting to compare yields at the end.

(click for hi-res versions)

Plant D Main Cola
http://imgur.com/3D8mcl.jpg (http://imgur.com/3D8mc.jpg)

Plant E (Four tops)
http://imgur.com/Kunuul.jpg (http://imgur.com/Kunuu.jpg)

Some random secondary bud
http://imgur.com/SvXFkl.jpg (http://imgur.com/SvXFk.jpg)

[aquanaut]

Looking nice! Can't wait to start my next grow! :thumbsup:

[PhatJay]

Can't wait to start my next grow! :thumbsup:

I can't wait for you to start your next grow either xD What do you plan to do different this time round?

On a different note... I tried to give you some rep when I posted in your thread yesterday and the system wouldn`t let me!

[aquanaut]

I can't wait for you to start your next grow either xD What do you plan to do different this time round?

On a different note... I tried to give you some rep when I posted in your thread yesterday and the system wouldn`t let me!

Well for my next grow I'm going a little different.

I recently acquired trays that are about 8 feet long by 3 feet wide by 6" tall. I plan on filling the entire thing with coco on a table with some drainage on the bottom to waste. Then have a timer turn on a pump from a reservoir every morning to flood the entire tray. Figure I can just transplant clones / germinated seeds into the coco "bed" and let them grow openly in the tray.

We'll see how it goes. :thumbsup:

[sarah louise]

Hi PhatJay, interesting looking grow. You asked about the way I use molasses... um but with what you're already using, it would truly be overkill.

I can't see what I'm doing being a benefit while you're still using boost and cannazyme, so I wont take up space in details here, unless you are still interested in alternatives.

sara.

[stra8outtaWeed]

nice grow phat....i like your idea of the muffin fan....i have a spare one and i am going to do something similar....thanks for the idea! :thumbsup:

keep her green..she's lookin nice :smokin:

[PhatJay]

I can't see what I'm doing being a benefit while you're still using boost and cannazyme, so I wont take up space in details here, unless you are still interested in alternatives.

Thanks for stopping by. :)

I am only using boost and cannazyme because I got them for free, so I am definitely interested in alternatives, especially cheap ones. Having read a few posts most people seem to use 1tspn/gal, but I noticed a difference in feeding schedules, seeing as you grow in coco and get great results, I would really like to know more about how you use molasses.



nice grow phat....i like your idea of the muffin fan....i have a spare one and i am going to do something similar....thanks for the idea! :thumbsup:

keep her green..she's lookin nice :smokin:

Nice to know your visit to my humble grow log was fruitful :D I always enjoy visiting yours for the bud porn.

[sarah louise]

Thanks for stopping by. :)

I am only using boost and cannazyme because I got them for free, so I am definitely interested in alternatives, especially cheap ones. Having read a few posts most people seem to use 1tspn/gal, but I noticed a difference in feeding schedules, seeing as you grow in coco and get great results, I would really like to know more about how you use molasses.

No worries then, I dilute molasses with equal parts warm water and seaweed extract, allow it to ferment and then bottle. This makes it much easier to work with on a daily basis. When you dilute molasses, fermentation is impossible to prevent, even pure molasses will ferment given hot enough temps for long enough. If you don't happen to have constant +25C the fermentation may be pretty slow, if so you can just bottle it and open the bottle once a day to allow the built up gas to escape.

Rates of Application.

Presoak for peat or coco pucks 0.25ml/L (mixed with same amount of A+B and PK)
Young rooted clones and seedlings 0.5ml/L every second or third watering
Vegging plants 1ml/L every second watering
Early flowering plants 1ml/L every watering
Mid flowering 2-3ml/L every watering
late flowering 1-2ml/L " " " "

And when the weather is very hot and I am watering flowering plants twice a day, I tend to split the feed and give the A+B and PK in the morning and the homebrew at night. Otherwise it is all in one feed.

I'm thinking of making a second brew for flowering, adding in some alfalfa (lucerne). I have a friend who has raved over alfalfa for years so I thought I'd trial it against the 2 part brew and see if there is any difference. Just have to sort a way of introducing the alfalfa without losing the stability of the solution. ATM after the fermentation is complete the mixture will keep for several months without noticeable deterioration.

[PhatJay]

Thankyou for taking the time to write such a comprehensive answer. :thumbsup:


I dilute molasses with equal parts warm water and seaweed extract, allow it to ferment and then bottle.

Do you know if Seaweed Extract is similar to Sea Minerals? As I had a bottle of sea minerals in my box of free food.

Agricultural Organics - Sea Minerals
Phosphate - 4.51%
Soluble Potash - 2.94%
Magnesium - 10.32%
Sulphur - 3.97%
Sodium - 1.86%

[aquanaut]

Should look into Maxicrop Liquid Seaweed (Kelp Extract). Friend introduced me to this- I haven't used it yet but it sounds promising.


Derived from fresh Norwegian kelp (Ascophyllum nodosum), Maxicrop Kelp contains over 70 minerals, micronutrients, amino acids and vitamins. Also contains growth regulators which stimulate vigorous root development and plant growth. Encourages tolerance to plant stresses such as frost, pests, disease and drought. 10.7 oz. wettable powder (WP) makes one gallon of concentrate and is OMRI Listed for use in organic production (powder only).

Found online for about $8.50, maybe it's similar to Rhizotonic :hippy:

[PhatJay]

Started adding PK to my feed (Agricultural Organics PK 19.5/21). The girls are looking healthy, but bud formation is still slower than last time. Hopefully it will start to speed up.

Main Cola (Plant D)
http://imgur.com/Nis8Vl.jpg (http://imgur.com/Nis8V.jpg)

Four Tops
http://imgur.com/Ir6yOl.jpg (http://imgur.com/Ir6yO.jpg)

The Jungle
http://imgur.com/RhoPWl.jpg (http://imgur.com/RhoPW.jpg)


Should look into Maxicrop Liquid Seaweed (Kelp Extract).

Cheers mate... :thumbsup:

[PhatJay]

Although I used the manufacturers recommended dosage, it looks like this Agricultural Organics PK (19.5/21) is a little too strong for my ladies. They have a tiny little touch of nute burn on the tips of 2 or 3 of the lowest fan leaves, so I am going to back off the PK to half dosage till day 35 and then try 3/4 dosage.

[sarah louise]

Should look into Maxicrop Liquid Seaweed (Kelp Extract).

Yep, that's what I am using.

[CovertCarpenter]

GREAT LOOKINâ?? PLANTS, MON!

Great tip on the trade show thing! Thanx!!!

I love the idea of the 'Grow Show' tradeshow visit! I have always been a tradeshow slut as far as freebies go, and usually manage to score a lotta stuph, but I hadn't thought about it for my current hobby....

Muah hah hah...

Gon' hit up de nex' TO gawden shoaw... ;)

[COOLWHIP]

Looking good Phatjay, cant wait to see how much they give ya, dry weight.

[PhatJay]

The bud growth on my girls has exploded in the last 7 days. Unfortunately the camera I borrow to take my pics has gone on holiday, so the only picture I have is one I took 3 days after the last one (Day 31). The difference between the 2 pics is very noticeable and the buds are even bigger now (Day 35) so hopefully next weeks pics should make a few mouths water.

Plant D Main Cola (Day 31) (click for hi-res versions)...............................Plant D Main Cola (Day 28)
http://imgur.com/QsRovl.jpg (http://imgur.com/QsRov.jpg) http://imgur.com/Nis8Vl.jpg (http://imgur.com/Nis8V.jpg)



Gon' hit up de nex' TO gawden shoaw... ;)

Just be careful you don't bump into me, I have fast feet and sharp elbows. :D



Looking good Phatjay, cant wait to see how much they give ya, dry weight.

I can't wait either! I got 2oz a plant last time, if I match that I will be happy, if I beat it, I will be ecstatic.

[bigsby]

I'm no expert but perhaps look into chopping some of those fan leaves to let the light into the buds.

Excellent looking grow!

[PhatJay]

I'm no expert but perhaps look into chopping some of those fan leaves to let the light into the buds.

I am no expert either, but between what I have read, my own limited knowledge of plant biology and gut instincts, I think the larger fan leaves are very important.

Here's an article on fan leaf function, maybe it will change your opinion. :)

HOW DO FAN LEAVES FUNCTION T - Fan Leaf Function - VSbge4Wu - Pastebin.com (http://pastebin.com/VSbge4Wu)

[bigsby]

Like I said, I'm no expert...

A little further reading determines that opinions vary widely. Some advocate removing *some* fan leaves so that light reaches further down the plant, some advocate training them down, some advocate cutting them in half (i.e. cutting off the tips), and some advocate leaving them alone.

I can see the merits of getting them out of the way so that the light better reaches the the lower parts of the plant. That way the lower leaves can do the work needed to feed bud sites further down the plant thereby increasing yield. That said, I can definitely see the argument for not removing them. Of course, scrog deals with this issue quite nicely.

I'm learning all the time.

[PhatJay]

I agree this is a debated subject and there are differences of opinion. I do believe that there are some situations in which trimming fan leaves is advantageous.

THEORIES WHY TO TRIM FAN LEAVES Increase Lower Bud Development The fan leaves shade lower buds and that these buds do not develop to there full potential because of a reduction in lighting intensity due to shading from upper fan leaves. To conserve energy for upper bud development Trimming fan leaves and lower, shaded branches focuses the plantâ??s development on main top buds (Che Bleu, 03. 13.2002). A plant wastes precious energy several ways. A tall plant needs to use energy to build extra stem, and then use extra energy to move water up higher, this is why I believe "scrog" methods are productive. An untrimmed bushy plant causes the plant to expend energy to build elaborate branches and leaves, and then has to use excess energy to supply all these structures. Careful trimming to remove unnecessary branches (which wont produce nice buds) and unproductive suckers will leave more energy for a larger yield. Suckers do exactly as their name suggests, they suck needless energy from the plant which can be put to better use, towards yield (Leaf, 03.13.2002). Reduce the Stretch If fan leaves are trimmed during the early flowering stage, the stretch is reduced (Che Bleu, 03.13.2002). Reducing the stretch might be advantageous in certain cultivation conditions. Speeding Up The Flushing Process Remove some of the fan leaves 14 days before harvest. It helps speed up the flushing process and or makes flushing unnecessary (Homemadepot, 03.13.2002). Reduce The Chance of Mould Removal of dead fan leaves is necessary to reduce the risk of mould. Failing to "clear the airway" can lead to development of mould in the "crowded" areas of the plant (Jeast, 03.13.2002). Scrog growers may also reduce the chance of mould by removing fan leaves due to reduce the level of transpiration. This is because many scrog grows are in a confined space where humidity is a serious problem (DoctorDangerous, 09.04.2002). However with better ventilation it may be necessary to avoid the mould problem (Nietzsche, 09.04.2002). Increase root development on Clones Fan leaves on clones should have their blades cut in half, to make the clone grow slowly while a root system develops (Weezil, 03.12.2002).

[bigsby]

I was applying my comments to your situation where training, trimming or removing some of those fans would let light further down the plant, especially given that this is a CFL grow. That said, that read was a good refresher - thanks!

My only further comments would be that dead leaves on a flowering plant should be removed as soon as they are clearly on their way out, unless you suspect issues with nutes, PH, or potting. Dying leaves are obvious vectors for diseases and pests. So removing dying leaves on a mature plant is beneficial. Also, larger, older leaves produce significantly less chlorophyll than newer, younger leaves and can be safely trimmed if needed.

[PhatJay]

I was applying my comments to your situation where training, trimming or removing some of those fans would let light further down the plant, especially given that this is a CFL grow.

Yeah.. I have taken the cautious approach on my grows, so I could watch and learn, then see how the various techniques affect my harvest. The 1st I did absolutely no trimming at all. On this second grow I took out some of the lower leaves and tried fimming as I was considering a scrog next time round. I am not prepared to take out these large upper fan leaves at this stage of flowering, as I plan to flower for 10 or 11 weeks this time. That said, once the top buds have completely filled out, I might follow your suggestion and remove/train the large fans.

I do appreciate your input, anything that makes me question or examine what I am doing is a good thing in my opinion. :thumbsup:

[bigsby]

Hey - those plants are looking great. Nothing wrong with leaving well enough alone. How did the fim cut go?

[PhatJay]

How did the fim cut go?

It worked beautifully on one plant (four tops) but I got it wrong on the second and it grew as normal. The pics are on page 1.

[bigsby]

Yeah that plant E is a beauty. She did really well with the fim cut. How many nodes were there when you did the cut?

[bigsby]

Hey Phat,

You prompted a bit more research. I knew some of the pruning stuff but clearly there was more to learn - more detail on the when, why, how stuff. Also, like you, I'm reading up on scrog techniques. I came across this outstading tutorial (http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/239247) that goes into crazy detail on pruning, fimming, scrog and much more. It is a ton of reading so use your search function! Hope it is as useful to you as it is to me.

[PhatJay]

Yeah that plant E is a beauty. She did really well with the fim cut. How many nodes were there when you did the cut?

Well... I reckon it was the 3rd node, this pic was taken 5 minutes before I Fimmed them (Day 15 Veg).

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/181831-phat-jays-2nd-grow-cfl-coco-w-pics.html#post2078886

[CovertCarpenter]

but then, I had a coupla' flower tops forming that were just a wee bit ahead of everyone else, and so I thot: "Hmm.. it can't hurt too much, why not try FIMming 'em instead..."

Even if you don't get the magical '4' or '6' flower tops you're 'supposed' to, if you do it anywhere near right, you wind up with a much bushier flowertop, or two, and this is Not a Bad Thing. You can also help keep a plant more level with judicious use of the the technique.

Had a bad bit recently where some exhaust fans weren't running for like two hours of full light, and so some wilting occurred. BIGtime. After emergency measures were taken, and some mega-fan-leaf-chopping done, I FIMmed a few tops (that were burn't) for good measure, and the results are, well, kinda spectacular...

[Bongojaz]

girls look great phat!!! the only way to find out how you feel about leaf trimming is to do it, lol!!! opinions are like...... well, you know. if you ever have room to use a plant to test on, give it a try. one thing to remember about trimming, don't do too much at one time.

[PhatJay]

I got the camera back today, so here are a couple of pics...

Main Cola Plant D (Day 43-F)................................................ .............Main Cola Plant D (Day 31-F)
http://imgur.com/jy0lUl.jpg (http://imgur.com/jy0lU.jpg) http://imgur.com/QsRovl.jpg (http://imgur.com/QsRov.jpg)

1 of the Main Cola's on Four Tops
http://imgur.com/mPI9sl.jpg (http://imgur.com/mPI9s.jpg)


girls look great phat!!! the only way to find out how you feel about leaf trimming is to do it, lol!!! opinions are like...... well, you know. if you ever have room to use a plant to test on, give it a try. one thing to remember about trimming, don't do too much at one time.

Thanks :thumbsup:

[bigsby]

wow tasty looking! Nice and icy. What's the strain again?

[PhatJay]

wow tasty looking! Nice and icy. What's the strain again?

I have no idea what the strain is. It's from a different mother, but from the same family line as the cuttings I used for my last grow.

[sarah louise]

Looks very nice indeed Jay.

[StickyBuds1987]

man they look damn good :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[PhatJay]

Main Cola Plant C
http://imgur.com/jUFj9l.jpg (http://imgur.com/jUFj9.jpg)

1 of the main colas on Four Tops.
http://imgur.com/2Cqbbl.jpg (http://imgur.com/2Cqbb.jpg)

Four Tops
http://imgur.com/XRQrIl.jpg (http://imgur.com/XRQrI.jpg)


Looks very nice indeed Jay.


man they look damn good :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Thanks :D

[Charbud]

jay nice lookin girls ! ecpecially with cfls ! Even your lower buds seem to have developed well, Ive started LSTing becauce the lower ones were so small. You rekon that the lower buds have got better due to the reflective mylar ? I also saw you got 2oz a plant last grow:rasta: ! I had five plants and i got 1oz ! They were very stressed toward the end of the grow but still ! 250watt cfl ? 10U ? Anywayman lookin good, check out my cfl thread if you wana:rastasmoke:

[PhatJay]

jay nice lookin girls ! ecpecially with cfls ! Even your lower buds seem to have developed well, Ive started LSTing becauce the lower ones were so small. You rekon that the lower buds have got better due to the reflective mylar ? I also saw you got 2oz a plant last grow:rasta: ! I had five plants and i got 1oz ! They were very stressed toward the end of the grow but still ! 250watt cfl ? 10U ? Anywayman lookin good, check out my cfl thread if you wana:rastasmoke:


While it may have an effect, I don't think mylar is the reason my lower buds fill out (The secondary buds on this grow are actually smaller than the last grow and I am hoping they will fill out in the next 2 weeks). I just try to keep the lights as close as is possible to my plants without burning them and use a tried and trusted food schedule. In the future I plan to increase my yield using LST, SCROG or just adding more side and top lighting. These first couple of grows are just to help me learn the ropes.

[PhatJay]

The secondary buds are still not fattening up as much as last time :( but all 5 main colas are looking nice :). I added a battery in these pics for scale, the battery is 1x1.75".

(Click pics for hi-res versions)

Main Cola Plant D (I labelled it C last post)
http://imgur.com/paVAHl.jpg (http://imgur.com/paVAH.jpg)

Main Cola Plant D closeup
http://imgur.com/vRT54l.jpg (http://imgur.com/vRT54.jpg)

The Jungle (I am struggling to get a decent pic of the colas on four tops)
http://imgur.com/W1QDzl.jpg (http://imgur.com/W1QDz.jpg)

[PhatJay]

I stopped feeding my ladies PK 13/14 on day 60. They are now being fed the basic food regime of 3/4 Strength Canna Hydro Flores, full strength Cannazyme and 3ml per litre Cannaboost. I am planning to harvest on day 77. Last time I harvested at 9.5 weeks, the weed had a really nice heady buzz that lasted for ages. This time I am trying for a bit of couch lock, hence the longer flowering period. Anyway enough chat, time for some pics.

(click on pics for hi-res versions)

Plant D Main Cola
http://imgur.com/fNNp5l.jpg (http://imgur.com/fNNp5.jpg)

Plant D Main Cola
http://imgur.com/henFyl.jpg (http://imgur.com/henFy.jpg)

One of plant Plant E`s Main Colas (it is the 2nd smallest out of the 4 Colas)
http://imgur.com/VvUMyl.jpg (http://imgur.com/VvUMy.jpg)

The jungle
http://imgur.com/AJ3BVl.jpg (http://imgur.com/AJ3BV.jpg)

[CovertCarpenter]

...nice progress PhatJay! Harvest looks like it's just around the corner. I can only hope that my lil' ladies look ½ as good in another 3-5 weeks...

[COOLWHIP]

Great grow Phatjay!!!! Cant wait to see the total dry weight after harvest

[xxMrGreenThumbx]

omg phatjay ur plants r sexc and ur usin cfls? Mate dats well nyc.. I woz wondering if u cud giv ne advice on my babys.. Lyk how long u wud giv em til harvest.. And sry 4 ne misundastandin on charbuds thread

[PhatJay]

Fed my ladies for the last time tonight. Just going to give them PH adjusted tap water till day 71, then I will start my version of Stress Ripening (3 days of chilled PH'd water and then 3 days of darkness with no water).

I'll post more pics on day 71.



...nice progress PhatJay! Harvest looks like it's just around the corner. I can only hope that my lil' ladies look ½ as good in another 3-5 weeks...

Thanks, I'm sure your plants will do just fine with all the TLC you are giving them.



Great grow Phatjay!!!! Cant wait to see the total dry weight after harvest

Cheers CoolWHHHip, I can't wait either, I am sat here with no bud and the smell is killing me!



omg phatjay ur plants r sexc and ur usin cfls? Mate dats well nyc.. I woz wondering if u cud giv ne advice on my babys.. Lyk how long u wud giv em til harvest.. And sry 4 ne misundastandin on charbuds thread

Thanks for stopping by xxMrGreenThumbx, I have posted a reply and an apology in your thread. ;)

[Charbud]

Dont know how you do it with only cfls ! maybe i just suck at growing !! those colas are looking piff of the piff !!!!

[xxMrGreenThumbx]

hi phat jay im glad we kool now mate.. jst a few questions u growin in soil? And did u use canna pk late? On canna guide it ses wen small fruits develope.. Give pk 13 14? 3 2 4 weeks in2 flowering..? Coz i gave it 2 myn a weeks ago wif anuva week jst flores den da last 2 weeks water.. Finkin it'll finish in 7 weeks.. Im rong init its gna take mor dan 7 weeks u rekn? So dere anuva stage in bud developement? Wil the buds change 2 look mor lyks ur babys? Its at 6 weeks this sat.. So u fink a few mor weeks.. And lookin at thb plant all triks r cloudy.. Wt u fink? Coz i grew b4 outside and my plants neva gt past the point that, that plants at now coz ov shity weatha and mold.. Sry 4 da essay mate.. So wat watt cfls u using? Cheers mate.. Sqy if i dnt make ne sense x

[moody420]

Fed my ladies for the last time tonight. Just going to give them PH adjusted tap water till day 71, then I will start my version of Stress Ripening (3 days of chilled PH'd water and then 3 days of darkness with no water).


Hey PhatJay.....your babies are looking real good! :thumbsup: What does the chilled water for 3 days do? I've never heard of that technique....you do that for 3 days and then lights off for 3 days?

How you liking the coco? This is my first time working with it. I've had to be very careful with the watering.

Anyways....awesome job! Those are beautiful buds! :jointsmile:

[PhatJay]

Dont know how you do it with only cfls ! maybe i just suck at growing !! those colas are looking piff of the piff !!!!

I don't have any special skills, I think it is the coco, plants love it.



Hey PhatJay.....your babies are looking real good! :thumbsup: What does the chilled water for 3 days do? I've never heard of that technique....you do that for 3 days and then lights off for 3 days?

How you liking the coco? This is my first time working with it. I've had to be very careful with the watering.

Anyways....awesome job! Those are beautiful buds! :jointsmile:

Glad you like my ladies, I checked out your grow, I wish I had your lights!

The chilled water for 3 days is part of Stress Ripening, it is a technique that was featured in High Times a few months ago. What they did was turn off the lights for 3 days and fed with water chilled in the fridge. The idea is that the plants think the end of the world is coming, they "panic" and go into overdrive. They say it improves taste, aroma, weight and strength. I can't say anything about weight, but it definitely improved aroma, taste and strength (I took a bud just before stress ripening my last grow, the difference was notable).

I modified the technique slightly because in JC's Ultimate grow dvd, he recommended 3 days without water before harvesting, to speed up drying. So I did the cold water leading up to the dark period and then no water during the dark period. I don't know if my way of doing it is better or worse than the High Times way, but it worked. It is worth a google, lots of people have tried it and the general concensus seems to be that it works.

I really like Coco, although I have never grown in anything else. Growing friends of mine recommended it to me, it seems so much easier than soil. I am surprised that you say you had to be careful with overwatering though, one of the benefits of coco is that it is hard to overwater, it maintains 23% air even when wet. You have to be careful at the start (I think it is to stop overfeeding rather than overwatering), but once my girls were 2 weeks old I was watering till runoff.



=xxMrGreenThumbx

Your answer is coming in a bit mate, I am going to scan a feed schedule for you and my girls wanted a drink 15 minutes ago.

[COOLWHIP]

I think I am going to try Co Co next grow just have to keep it away from the dogs it will kill them if they eat it, atleast thats what I was told

[moody420]

[quote=PhatJay]I don't have any special skills, I think it is the coco, plants love it.




Glad you like my ladies, I checked out your grow, I wish I had your lights!



I really like Coco, although I have never grown in anything else. Growing friends of mine recommended it to me, it seems so much easier than soil. I am surprised that you say you had to be careful with overwatering though, one of the benefits of coco is that it is hard to overwater, it maintains 23% air even when wet. You have to be careful at the start (I think it is to stop overfeeding rather than overwatering), but once my girls were 2 weeks old I was watering till runoff.QUOTE]


Thanks PhatJay....this is my first time with LED's and so far I'm loving them! It was a costly investment, but will pay for itself in just a few harvests. I'm saving alot on energy and not worrying all the time about heat has been a huge relief! :jointsmile:

Coco has been good to me, still working out the quirks of ph balancing. I just ordered a ph pen so that should end that problem. I just notice that with the coco you don't have to water nearly as often. I'm watering once a week with nutes and once a week with water and molasses. I think because with the LED's there is no heat sucking up the moisture. All in all it's been a great experience!

I will definately think about trying the cold ph water before the dark period. You'll have to let us know how those babies smoke! :jointsmile:

[PhatJay]

Coco has been good to me, still working out the quirks of ph balancing. I just ordered a ph pen so that should end that problem. I just notice that with the coco you don't have to water nearly as often. I'm watering once a week with nutes and once a week with water and molasses. I think because with the LED's there is no heat sucking up the moisture. All in all it's been a great experience!

I must admit that I don't measure outgoing PH, I just make sure that what goes in is 5.8. My plants drink around 25% more water on a really hot day and pot size has an effect on watering frequency aswell, I use 10" pots and water everyday, Weezard uses larger pots and waters every 3/4 days.

[Charbud]

your girls definately love the coco ! I think you should create a thread on growing with cfls and coco - I for one would probably convert to coco if i had an indepth schedule to follow. Share you knowledge (if ya got time) :jointsmile:

Keep it up mate

[PhatJay]

I think I am going to try Co Co next grow just have to keep it away from the dogs it will kill them if they eat it, atleast thats what I was told

I havn't heard that, so I don't know. Coco is just ground up coconut shells, I don't see how that could kill a dog. Dogs have very strong stomach acid, they eat other dogs poop and all sorts of other nastiness.

[PhatJay]

your girls definately love the coco ! I think you should create a thread on growing with cfls and coco - I for one would probably convert to coco if i had an indepth schedule to follow. Share you knowledge (if ya got time) :jointsmile:

Keep it up mate

I think someone messaged the ops asking for a seperate coco thread. I have to scan in a schedule for Greenthumb, so I will scan in the schedule I am working to as well, it's really easy to follow, like painting by numbers.

[Charbud]

I think someone messaged the ops asking for a seperate coco thread. I have to scan in a schedule for Greenthumb, so I will scan in the schedule I am working to as well, it's really easy to follow, like painting by numbers.

Ill keep an eye out for it on your thread when you post it. When are you harvesting ? Whats your estimated dry weight ? :thumbsup:

[CovertCarpenter]

...or, going to get around to doing, soon, as soon as real life stops p!ssing m3 0ff :)

I have heard that it needs some nutrients boosted, but if ya just soak the airy stuph regularly with what they need, and make sure the ph is correct, how can a plant hate that?

Looking great, mon. How many lumens are you getting off those CFLs, and from what bulbs? (forgive me for being lazy--I promise to search the thread as soon as I post this ;) )

Fabulous. REP+

[PhatJay]

Ill keep an eye out for it on your thread when you post it. When are you harvesting ? Whats your estimated dry weight ? :thumbsup:

I have added them to my Album, I will post them in this thread later.

I am harvesting on day 77, I'm hoping for the same as last time (130g total dry weight), but I think I may get less, the secondary buds havn't filled out as well this time. The mother these came from is from the same family as my last grow, but has poorer genetics.



How many lumens are you getting off those CFLs, and from what bulbs?

They are not very powerful, only 5U each and I run two of them. They are 125w CFL's made by Eco-Light.



jst a few questions u growin in soil? And did u use canna pk late? On canna guide it ses wen small fruits develope..

I am growing in Canna Coco, it is a hydroponic medium. I started adding PK at week 5 and stopped 2 weeks before harvest. According to the schedule I am going to post up for you, this also applies to soil.


Im rong init its gna take mor dan 7 weeks u rekn? So dere anuva stage in bud developement? Wil the buds change 2 look mor lyks ur babys? Its at 6 weeks this sat.. So u fink a few mor weeks.. And lookin at thb plant all triks r cloudy.. Wt u fink?

My plants are Sativa yours are Indica (judging by the broad leaves) Indicas mature faster than Sativas (Sativas can take up to 13 weeks depending on the strain). I think 49 days flower is too early, but thats just my opinion from looking at other grow logs, I don't recall seeing any successful log that flowered for less than 63 days. The grow shop that produces the schedules in my album don't even have a schedule with less than 9 weeks on it.

You are able to see the Trichs I think you need to make this decision based on what you see and your gut instinct.

Here is a grow schedule for you, It is produced by my local grow shop and they have a REALLY good reputation for giving good advice. I am not saying this is the best feeding schedule in the world, but if you follow it, you will get good results and you can use it as a base for experimentation.

If you are flowering for more than 9 weeks you add weeks between weeks 5 and 6. I'm not sure what you are supposed to do if you flower for less (maybe remove weeks between 5 and 6?) Not all these products are necessary to produce good results.

[xxMrGreenThumbx]

thank u so much 4 takin the tym out 2 scan dat. Yea its indica mate.. So it 6 weeks 2moro.. Yea i fink i giv it anuva 2 weeks? Wt wud u recomend? I go on holiday wednds day 4 2 weeks so i dno wt 2 do u fink dere b ok? I gt sum1 waterin em jst about harvest.. ? Ow ur plants doin.. And it ok 2 add ppk 4 3 weeks? I keep 2 dis guide on me nxt grow.. Thnks agen mate x

[Charbud]

Thanks a lot Jay, appreciate you took the time to post it up for us. Also, 130g dry of 2 125w cfls ! That sure is something. My first grow i got around 8 grams per plant. Really goes to show what a good feeding schedule can do with cfls. I doubt you could achieve 130g easily with a 250 hps but with 250 cfl !!! madness. Well ye thanks for uploading it and will def give it a go next grow, one question though, which nutrients did you use out of the ones on the schedule ? Cheers

[rikb631]

redonkulous... shit looks tight jay!!! like the other guy i hope i have 1/2 the luck you do.

[PhatJay]

Thanks a lot Jay, appreciate you took the time to post it up for us. Also, 130g dry of 2 125w cfls ! That sure is something. My first grow i got around 8 grams per plant. Really goes to show what a good feeding schedule can do with cfls. I doubt you could achieve 130g easily with a 250 hps but with 250 cfl !!! madness. Well ye thanks for uploading it and will def give it a go next grow, one question though, which nutrients did you use out of the ones on the schedule ? Cheers

Hopefully you were looking at the schedules in my Coco album and not the soil one I posted up for GreenThumb. This is the schedule I follow when using Canna nutes in Coco...

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/phatjay-albums-feeding-schedules-picture4951-canna-hydro-feeding-schedule-schedule-i-use-grow-coco-i-am-using-slightly-smaller-doses-nutrients-than-schedule-because-grow-shop-produces-these-schedules-recommends-using-75-dosage-when-using-hydro-nutes-coco-i-also-dont-use-all-products-listed-currently-i-do-not-use-rhizotonic-trichoderma-canna-flush-i-also-plan-ditch-cannaboost-very-expensive-my-grow-log-contains-details-what-dosages-i-use-if-you-flowering-more-than-9-weeks-you-add-weeks-between-weeks-5-6-not-all-these-products-necessary-produce-good-results.jpg

Canna Hydro Feeding Schedule - This is the schedule I use to grow in Coco. I am using slightly smaller doses of nutrients than in this schedule. I use this schedule for timing rather than dosages. This is because the grow shop that produces these schedules, recommends using 75% dosage when using hydro nutes in Coco.

I also don't use all the products listed. Currently I do not use Rhizotonic, Trichoderma or Canna Flush. I also plan to ditch Cannaboost as it is very expensive. My grow log contains details of what nutes and dosages I use. I am only on my second grow and still experimenting, but I don't think you can go far wrong if you follow this schedule, it is a great base for experimentation.

If you are flowering for more than 9 weeks you add weeks between weeks 5 and 6. Not all these products are necessary to produce good results.

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This is the chart for using Canna Coco nutes in Coco, it varies slightly from the schedule I use.

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/phatjay-albums-feeding-schedules-picture4952-canna-coco-feeding-schedule-if-you-flowering-more-than-9-weeks-you-add-weeks-between-weeks-5-6-not-all-these-products-necessary-produce-good-results.jpg

If you are flowering for more than 9 weeks you add weeks between weeks 5 and 6. Not all these products are necessary to produce good results.

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And finally.... This is their Ultimate Coco Feeding Schedule, using what they consider to be the best nutes from different companies.

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/phatjay-albums-feeding-schedules-picture4953-growell-ultimate-coco-feeding-schedule-if-you-flowering-more-than-9-weeks-you-add-weeks-between-weeks-5-6-not-all-these-products-necessay-produce-good-results.jpg

If you are flowering for more than 9 weeks you add weeks between weeks 5 and 6. Not all these products are necessay to produce good results.

[PhatJay]

thank u so much 4 takin the tym out 2 scan dat.

No problem, I posted my full reply in your thread.


redonkulous... shit looks tight jay!!! like the other guy i hope i have 1/2 the luck you do.

Thanks :D

[PhatJay]

I started watering with refridgerated water today, I will use this for the next 2 waterings and then switch the lights off for 3 days.

Both my plants are struggling to stand up, I spoke to the guy I got my cuttings from and he had the same problem, this strain stretches a bit and has weak stems. Over the last week I have had to tie up some of the secondary buds and 3 of the main colas to prevent them falling over. I have mainly been tying up the buds by the doors, most of the secondary buds are being propped up by the sides of my cabinet. I think I am going to have to cut them down inside the cabinet when I harvest. If I try to take them out, they are just going to collapse and I dont want carpet fluff all over my lovely buds.

I checked the trichomes tonight with a microscope and I have about 1% amber trichs, so it looks like I am going to get a soaring high again, instead of the couch lock I was aiming for. Probably for the best really, my last crop was a "get things done" creative type of high, if I had loads of couch lock weed I wouldn't do anything. :D

The camera battery gave out mid-way through taking pics so this is all I have for you....

(click for hi-res versions)

Top of main cola (Plant D)
http://imgur.com/5tZ5Il.jpg (http://imgur.com/5tZ5I.jpg)

Close up of one of the colas on Plant E
http://imgur.com/fxpSrl.jpg (http://imgur.com/fxpSr.jpg)

[G13budsmoker]

looks very good man... i hadnt heard of the water technique you used but i did a lil more search on it and i think i will be trying it. im curious to know what your dried harvest will be cause this will be my first batch with quality nutes and quality soil and no problems with heat, my previous batchs never harvested much wieght but had tons of thc content and is sativa as well.

[xxMrGreenThumbx]

mate ur plants r sexc.. Wtz the smell lyk? Good luk wif the harvest.. U nno wt u gna gro nxt? I nikd abit ov bud of me plant.. Tis a nyc smoke.. Da high wen u get up and do fings is gud .. U prefer it? Or the couchlok stoned? Hope ur kool mate x

[PhatJay]

Iz there any risk ov hermieing wif stress ripenin.?

Not as far as I am aware, lots and lots of people have tried SR, no one has anything bad to say about it.


mate ur plants r sexc.. Wtz the smell lyk? Good luk wif the harvest.. U nno wt u gna gro nxt? I nikd abit ov bud of me plant.. Tis a nyc smoke.. Da high wen u get up and do fings is gud .. U prefer it? Or the couchlok stoned? Hope ur kool mate x

They smell like gods vagina.

Not sure what I am going to grow next, but it will be a different strain with better genetics. Maybe Bubble Cheese or White Rhino, as I can get cuttings for both these strains.

I like both kinds of high, depends what situation I am in.

I seem to recall you saying that you are going on holiday tomorrow, hope you have a good one. :thumbsup:


looks very good man... i hadnt heard of the water technique you used but i did a lil more search on it and i think i will be trying it.

Cheers G13, I had a little look at your girls, very nice.:jointsmile: Just google Stress Ripening if you want to know more about the technique or feel free to ask and I will tell you what little I know. I altered the technique slightly to incorporate a dry period.

[Charbud]

Phatjay, need little bit of your great knowledge (again) !

Ok, plan is to have a veg cabinet and flower cabinet. In the veg cabinet, a 300w blue spec cfl, in the flower room i was going to have 6 42w cfls but i dont know how to wire them so what do you think to either 2 X125w or 3X125w ? I plan on running say six small plants every two weeks to get a constant harvest. These plants wouldnt be big, only vegged to 2-3 inches in small pots (going on the Dr.Bud principles). I know you have experience with the 125s so do you think they would be up to the job to do 6-12 x 2-3 inchers or possibly more ? The reason i was going to have 6X42w was to spread the light out equally but if 2 x 125ws will do the deal i will change my mind ! Bit of topic but you are in the uk, one of ur pics was with baked beans i think ? Lookin forward to the join harvest day haha :D

[PhatJay]

Phatjay, need little bit of your great knowledge (again) !

Ok, plan is to have a veg cabinet and flower cabinet. In the veg cabinet, a 300w blue spec cfl, in the flower room i was going to have 6 42w cfls but i dont know how to wire them so what do you think to either 2 X125w or 3X125w ? I plan on running say six small plants every two weeks to get a constant harvest. These plants wouldnt be big, only vegged to 2-3 inches in small pots (going on the Dr.Bud principles). I know you have experience with the 125s so do you think they would be up to the job to do 6-12 x 2-3 inchers or possibly more ? The reason i was going to have 6X42w was to spread the light out equally but if 2 x 125ws will do the deal i will change my mind ! Bit of topic but you are in the uk, one of ur pics was with baked beans i think ? Lookin forward to the join harvest day haha :D

It's funny you mention this, because after seeing that SOG continuous harvest grow I was thinking of doing pretty much the same! Except I was planning on having a mother plant to make my own cuttings/clones. As you probably already know, the smaller bulbs are more efficient and cheaper, so I was going to look into using household bulbs as well. I have already bought the fittings for the larger screw in bulbs we use and they are easier to wire up than a plug. I need to look into the prices for the fittings and/or splitters for household bulbs myself. I am moving home very soon, which has put my plans on hold, if I wasn't moving I would already have my next plants vegged and ready to go into flower.

As far as whether or not 125w will be enough for 6 small (well tiny really) plants, I will have more of an idea after I harvest and weigh "Four Tops" colas. Doing a SOG like Dr.Bud is effectively just growing main colas. I also need to read DrBuds thread in more detail, I just skimmed it the first time I read it.

If the cost of fittings and household bulbs is more than the 125w lights, I was thinking of having 1x125w 2700k for every 6 plants (I don't think a 125w would be enough for 12) in my flower room (18 plants in total, seperated by 3 or 4 weeks) and just 1x125w 6500k for the veg room. A friend of mine keeps a mother plant, so I was going to speak with him about what I need for that side of things. All this might change when I do a bit more research though, moving home is chewing up a lot of my time at the moment (so many things to organise!) and I can't really dedicate too much of my time to growing.

I will update you as soon as I have done a little more research and I will smoke a phat jay of my trimmings in your honour on harvest day. :rastasmoke:

[Charbud]

It's funny you mention this, because after seeing that SOG continuous harvest grow I was thinking of doing pretty much the same! Except I was planning on having a mother plant to make my own cuttings/clones. As you probably already know, the smaller bulbs are more efficient and cheaper, so I was going to look into using household bulbs as well. I have already bought the fittings for the larger screw in bulbs we use and they are easier to wire up than a plug. I need to look into the prices for the fittings and/or splitters for household bulbs myself. I am moving home very soon, which has put my plans on hold, if I wasn't moving I would already have my next plants vegged and ready to go into flower.

Ye, i wanted to have a mother as well but wanted to give it a rial run before i started making clones which i have never done before. The biggest wattage on a cfl in the uk is around 25w(household spiral bulb). From my research i cant find any y splitters from the uk only from hong kong ! I have also seen these 3 bulb vanity lights which are pretty much a board with 3 bulb sockets and a plug but only from the states..it so frustrating finding stuff from the uk !


As far as whether or not 125w will be enough for 6 small (well tiny really) plants, I will have more of an idea after I harvest and weigh "Four Tops" colas. Doing a SOG like Dr.Bud is effectively just growing main colas. I also need to read DrBuds thread in more detail, I just skimmed it the first time I read it.

I only got about half way through it making notes, its a good 50 pages long !
I'd suggest his first grow as its less bulbs and less plants, his larger one is around 20 cfls or something.


If the cost of fittings and household bulbs is more than the 125w lights, I was thinking of having 1x125w 2700k for every 6 plants (I don't think a 125w would be enough for 12) in my flower room (18 plants in total, seperated by 3 or 4 weeks) and just 1x125w 6500k for the veg room. A friend of mine keeps a mother plant, so I was going to speak with him about what I need for that side of things. All this might change when I do a bit more research though, moving home is chewing up a lot of my time at the moment (so many things to organise!) and I can't really dedicate too much of my time to growing.

Ye the reason i thought of the 125w lights were they are pretty safe and don't rely on my wiring, im very wary of causing eletrical fires and my inexperience in electrics doesn't help my cause !


I will update you as soon as I have done a little more research and I will smoke a phat jay of my trimmings in your honour on harvest day. :rastasmoke:

I will do also, very much lookin forward to it :cool:

[PhatJay]

:yippee:
I unplugged my lights earlier today, the lights would normally be on by now so my ladies are probably wondering :wtf: is going on. I was intending to leave them without water till harvest day, but as the weather is warm I decided to treat them to one last watering with chilled water. At the rate they are drinking (Plant E 850ml & Plant D 750ml a day), the Coco should be quite dry by the time I get to harvest them.

[PhatJay]

I cropped my ladies 1 day earlier than planned because I am busy tomorrow.

I think Fimming my plant paid off... :)
Plant D main cola (far left) - Plant E's 4 colas
http://imgur.com/YXtRRl.jpg (http://imgur.com/YXtRR.jpg)

http://imgur.com/9TF6yl.jpg (http://imgur.com/9TF6y.jpg)
I got a bit carried away trimming and a lot of the secondary buds ended up on the tray.

Top Left - Buds I accidentally cut off the main colas
Bottom Right - Popcorn
Bottom Left - Secondary buds
http://imgur.com/SEONil.jpg (http://imgur.com/SEONi.jpg)
http://imgur.com/Grm6nl.jpg (http://imgur.com/Grm6n.jpg)

[COOLWHIP]

Fimming Definatly paid off, harvest looks awsome, great job want do you think your dry weight will be?

[Charbud]

Haha jay, i also harvested today, didnt feel like it on a sunday ! Bus look real nice, especially the colas. You going to make a little bit of hash with the trim ? Congrats anyway and ill get a few pics of mine up tomorrow :D

[Charbud]

You alright jay, Hows the drying going ? Had a smoke yet ? envious of your brilliant harvest :D

[xxMrGreenThumbx]

oi oi sexcpants ow u doin? Nyc harvest mate.. u gna giv a ful report on harvest smel etc.. i updated me thread.. so wt u gna gro nxt? Ope ur kool x

[drudown11]

its a little late but i was just reading over your grow and noticed you were having probelms with plants getting too heavy and breaking.


Treat your plants with Silica next time. Plants use silica to to reinforce the cell walls of stems and branches. While it might not keep your plants stading straight up, i promish you not a single branch will break. The stuff is truely amazing and it really helps stregthen your stems. Silica also increases the hardiness of the plants and assists them in resisting disease, drought, and other environmental stress. Its relatively cheap too and can be used with every watering without the risk of burning.

As an added benefit, it really beefs up the inner stems of the plant. This increases the weight and overall yield(more than you would think too, i probably got an extra 1/2 OZ with the extra stem weight.

In fact, your gunna have to bust out the Bolt cutter come harvest time. I shit you not.

[drudown11]

sheeeit looks dank though. Thats some of the best CFL bud ive ever seen.

[PhatJay]

Although it was a really nice smoke, I personally didn't think that this crop was quite as good as my last one. I got 106g's dried weight (after I removed all secondary from their stalks and cut the stalks from the bottom of the main colas). Plant D's main cola was 20g's and plant E's four colas came to 36g's. The other 50g's was made up of secondary buds and popcorn.

Fimming didn't seem to have any effect on the size of the secondary buds, in fact the secondary buds on the fimmed plant were larger than on the plant I left to grow naturally.

Here are pics of the buds once they had dried (proper stalk snapping dry)
(click pics for hi-res versions)
http://imgur.com/muIW7l.jpg (http://imgur.com/muIW7.jpg)

http://imgur.com/3ZxaGl.jpg (http://imgur.com/3ZxaG.jpg)

http://imgur.com/I8uLUl.jpg (http://imgur.com/I8uLU.jpg)


Fimming Definatly paid off, harvest looks awsome, great job want do you think your dry weight will be?

About 106g's :D



You going to make a little bit of hash with the trim ?

Nah.. I quick dry the trim and smoke it, it stops me attacking my buds before they are ready. I smoke the trim 1st, then the popcorn, then the secondary buds and save the main colas till last.



so wt u gna gro nxt? Ope ur kool x

I am growing 2 White Rhinos, they are currently 4 weeks old and are already looking really sexy. I am trying out the Dutch Pro nutes I got for free, so far I am impressed. Hope your good too mate.



its a little late but i was just reading over your grow and noticed you were having probelms with plants getting too heavy and breaking.


Treat your plants with Silica next time. Plants use silica to to reinforce the cell walls of stems and branches. While it might not keep your plants stading straight up, i promish you not a single branch will break. The stuff is truely amazing and it really helps stregthen your stems. Silica also increases the hardiness of the plants and assists them in resisting disease, drought, and other environmental stress. Its relatively cheap too and can be used with every watering without the risk of burning.

As an added benefit, it really beefs up the inner stems of the plant. This increases the weight and overall yield(more than you would think too, i probably got an extra 1/2 OZ with the extra stem weight.

In fact, your gunna have to bust out the Bolt cutter come harvest time. I shit you not.

It's funny you mentioned that. I was reading your thread a few weeks ago and noticed your comments about silica. I had put a note on my desktop to ask you about it. :thumbsup:

I may not need it this grow as I am experimenting with keeping my plants smaller and seeing how much this effects yield. I put the cuttings into flower the day I got them. Well I say cuttings, they came from a new source and they had 5 nodes the day I got them. I wanted to put them into flower a bit earlier than that.


sheeeit looks dank though. Thats some of the best CFL bud ive ever seen.

Thanks :D

[aquanaut]

Hey Phat!

Nice grow man! I just started a thread on my second one :hippy:

[Charbud]

Phatjay, been a while. Reading you got some new girls on the go...how are they going ? Im about to invest in my two 125w red cfls for next grow...need some adivce for nutes... i have canna pk13/14 and i need something equivalent to cannaboost but cheaper...any ideas ? I have 9.72 to spend on it !! Anyway mate, hope your good and all...also if you wana buy one of my bulbs drop me your email on my rep...want to swap them for 125ws...1 300w blue and 1 250 red.

[PhatJay]

Phatjay, been a while. Reading you got some new girls on the go...how are they going ?

They are doing pretty good m8, in week 7 of flower. I had a go at growing bonsai plants and I will have some pics up in the next few days.



Im about to invest in my two 125w red cfls for next grow...need some adivce for nutes... i have canna pk13/14 and i need something equivalent to cannaboost but cheaper...any ideas ? I have 9.72 to spend on it !!

Not really an equivalent but It will boost your buds > Molasses, nice and cheap. 1 teaspoon per gallon.


Anyway mate, hope your good and all...also if you wana buy one of my bulbs drop me your email on my rep...want to swap them for 125ws...1 300w blue and 1 250 red.

I am interested in the red bulb, but buying not swapping, because my bulbs are all on loan to me or needed, Why would you want to sell/swap them and get weaker bulbs?

[Charbud]

Nice to hear the girls are doing well, looking forward to seeing your bonsai plant aswell. With the bulbs i thought instead of running 1 250w over 8 plants (this being my idea of doing lots of little plants like dr.greenbud but on a smaller scale) I would run 250w over 12 plants but by using two 125w bulbs. I thought the weaker bulbs would be ok after seeing your results with the 125w bulbs...What do you think i should do ? The plants are going to be in evian drinking bottles so small pots, and the bulbs put out 9000 lumens...My plan overall was to have two 125w red cfls with e40 hangers flowering two sets of plants with a month gap inbetween, then 125w blue for veg with my current reflector. i know feel unsure to weather my idea was good or bad !!

[Charbud]

Just to add that i thought the 125w envirolites were slightly longer giving a bigger surface area coverage than the 250w

[PhatJay]

I would use the higher wattage bulbs you have. A friend of mine uses the 250's and he gets much fatter buds than me.


Just to add that i thought the 125w envirolites were slightly longer giving a bigger surface area coverage than the 250w

I think it depends on the manufacturer.