Raiz' First Grow Log - 3 White Widow Seeds from Nirvana

[raizla]

Grow Setup:
Using a 6 bulb, 4 foot T5 Sun Blaze light for the FULL grow (seed to harvest). This is a closet grow, and my first grow ever. I've installed an inline exhaust fan in the ceiling that vents to the attic through some 6 inch ducting. I forget the exact specs, but I believe it was around 100 CFM and $45.

The closet space is 5ft Wide x 2ft Deep x 8ft High. I'm probably only going to use the bottom 5.5 feet, and leave the upper shelf where it is for storage. I've got a temp/humidity indicator that I picked up at the hydroponics store for $20. Nothing to monitor the pH yet. I'm using Fox Farm Ocean Forest soil mixed with about 30% perlite from Home Depot, as well as rockwool for starting the roots.

To germinate the seeds, I put them in a wet paper towel, on a plate, and covered it with a bowl. I placed the setup on my ironing board in the bedroom. In about 30 hours all three seeds had a small white root coming out.



Grow Log:


2010-02-13 Day 1
All three White Widow seeds from Nirvana broke open today. To experiment, I put 1 seed directly into red plastic cup, 1 seed onto rockwool, and then into a plastic party cup, and the final seed into rockwool and into a plastic grow container/dome with lid. The seed with inside the rockwool placed in soil is covered with a plastic bag and rubber banded to retain moisture. The one in pure soil is open air.

I did forget to turn the upper ventilation on when I left for work. When I got home the thermometer read 83 degrees F. Who knows what the temps right under the light wereâ?¦. After opening the window and turning on the vent, the temps are now at 73 F. The room was a bit cool so I closed the window, but left the fan, and ventilation on.
Iâ??m leaving the light on 24 hours a day until time to flower.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2620/dsc00168pp.jpg http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2558/dsc00175zs.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/602/dsc00169bz.jpg http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5735/dsc00176c.jpg http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6818/dsc00170jd.jpg
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[raizla]

2010-02-14 Day 2 (Happy Valentines Day!)

A couple more notes. I'm using regular tapwater for this grow. Nothing fancy. I sprayed the top of the rockwool, and soil today with some water to keep it moist. No little sprouts that I can see. Hope I haven't killed them already. :wtf: Note the 3 degree difference between the temp monitor under the light (82.5) and the one right at the unit (79.5). I even have the fan blowing right at the T5's.

I have some questions maybe someone can help me with.

1. Should I leave the light on until I see sprouts? Why/why not?

2. I've heard about the Fox Farm Trio fertilizers that a lot of people use, Big Bloom, Grow Big, and Tiger Bloom. Since I'm using their soil, I'd like to stick with their nutes to keep it simple. Also, they have the entire feeding schedule right here. (http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/soilfeed.pdf)

2. Who wants to make a prediction right now as to which of the three seedlings comes up strongest/fastest?

[maro69camaro]

2010-02-14 Day 2 (Happy Valentines Day!)

A couple more notes. I'm using regular tapwater for this grow. Nothing fancy. I sprayed the top of the rockwool, and soil today with some water to keep it moist. No little sprouts that I can see. Hope I haven't killed them already. :wtf: Note the 3 degree difference between the temp monitor under the light (82.5) and the one right at the unit (79.5). I even have the fan blowing right at the T5's.

I have some questions maybe someone can help me with.

1. Should I leave the light on until I see sprouts? Why/why not?

2. I've heard about the Fox Farm Trio fertilizers that a lot of people use, Big Bloom, Grow Big, and Tiger Bloom. Since I'm using their soil, I'd like to stick with their nutes to keep it simple. Also, they have the entire feeding schedule right here. (http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/soilfeed.pdf)

2. Who wants to make a prediction right now as to which of the three seedlings comes up strongest/fastest?

i leave the light off tell you see them just to help keep it moist and not burn light for nuthin. im not sure about fox farms nutes, i use humbolt nutes but trust me they will chime in. i love there soil. as soon as the pop get them onthe light schedule. I would have picked a plant that stay short, might want to look into SCROG method. that might do pretty well but you still might need more light to flower good. i know guys that veg under the tubes but to flower most are using cfl's. looks like a good start keep it up

[raizla]

Ok, thanks for the info maro69camaro. I haven't read anything negative about the Fox Farm nutes, so that's what I'm going for.
Also, scrog is definitely an option. I was just reading up on it lastnight, and it might be a good idea since I'm using T5's.

So, because you first to reply to my thread, and because I own a 1968 Camaro RS/SS, I'm going to name the first plant that sprouted today Camara (it has to be a female name of course!). This was the seed that was dropped about 1/4 inch into the dirt and covered up. The easiest way to do it by far.

Plant #3 has also sprouted and I'm calling it Scarlet. I play a lot of Modern Warfare 2 (hit me up with your gamertag if you play too), and my favorite weapon is the Scar-H. Gotta make it a female name, so Scarlet it is.

Plant #2 hasn't sprouted yet, and I don't want to name a dead baby, so we'll leave it up nature, and possibly my girlfriend, to decide on a name tomorrow if she sprouts.

Here are some pictures of the three in order of 1, 2, 3.

1. I had to perform some minor surgery on Camara this morning to remove the leftover seedpod that was sticking to her.
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1183/dsc00179dh.jpg

Using a corkscrew shaped mini-screwdriver from my swiss army knife, I went between the leaves and lifted the seed pod off.
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4880/dsc00180h.jpg

Immediately the leaves popped apart and unfolded. I think Camaro is much happier now.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7717/dsc00181sa.jpg

And here she is at the end of the day, already starting her second set of leaves!
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9656/dsc00185ar.jpg


2. On to Plant #2 - "The Unsprouted One"
This is the widow that started in a piece of rockwool placed into soil. It may be difficult to tell, but if you look in the middle of that rockwool, you can see a small stem curled over.
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9549/dsc00189qo.jpg


3. And finally on to Plant #3 - Scarlet
She started in rockwool placed inside the plastic grow dome seen in post 1 of this thread. She's doing well, but her first two leaves are hanging down, rather than out to the side, and the tips are slightly yellowed. Could it be the rockwool was too wet? Too dry? No clue. If you look closely, you can see the rockwool mostly buried in the dirt as I just transplanted her 20 minutes ago.
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3963/dsc00184hg.jpg

As always, tips and suggestions are welcome as this is my first grow. It's more of a hobby for me than anything, and I'm having lots of fun so far!

[t3hn00b137]

You might want to watch out with that seedling that decided to j. I had one do that on me and it is smaller and more frail looking than the others... It is still healthy just a runt compared to the others...

[maro69camaro]

looks like it going well. i love the names:jointsmile:. modern warfare 2 ya i play alot to. gamer tag CK LScaMAro420 im on all the time, hit me up.:thumbsup:

[raizla]

Hey maro, I'll add ya after I make this post.

t3hn00b137, I'm not really familiar with the lingo, what does "to j" mean?

Ok, so it's the 4th day since the cracked seeds were sprouted, 2nd day since they've broken ground. I didn't see a whole lot of growth today... at least, not as much as I wanted. Maybe you guys can tell me if I'm crazy and staring at them too much, or if I've messed something up.

One dumb thing I did was turned the heat on in the morning before work while I was getting ready because it gets cool in my place overnight. Well I forgot to turn it back off when I left for work, at the girls were probably cooking in the 90's all day. :wtf3: I'm sure I have a lot of messing up to do!

Here are the pics.
First Camara:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1929/dsc00195c.jpg

Next, the unnamed one:
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4756/dsc00196s.jpg

and finally, Scarlet:
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7/dsc00197sc.jpg

[Stickyrickey]

How was your experience with Nirvana? I ordered some WW seeds weeks ago and haven't seen em yet. I think customs may have got em.

[raizla]

Actually it was great. It took me about 12 days to get the seeds, which I figure is about as fast as you can get them here from the Netherlands. I ordered 5 feminized White Widow seeds, and they all arrived in good shape plus they threw in 10 additional "free seeds." They didn't tell me what the free seeds were though, so if you plant them with your main order, make sure you weed out the males.

I decided to try to germinate 3 of the feminized WW seeds in a damp paper towel. In about 30 hours all three had cracked open and a small root had emerged.

If the final plants turn out good, which I'm sure they will unless I screw them up somehow, then I'd definitely order from them again.

[t3hn00b137]

When you plant a seed upside-down you get what is called a "j-root" which means it has to grow over its own shell to find darkness and soil. From the look of the one pic (the one that is attached) it "j-rooted". I had one do that (I apparently didn't know it's head from it's ass) and she has always been the runt of the pack.

I hope that cleared it up.

TehNooblet:pimp:

[t3hn00b137]

looks like it going well. i love the names:jointsmile:. modern warfare 2 ya i play alot to. gamer tag CK LScaMAro420 im on all the time, hit me up.:thumbsup:
Don't mean to go off topic.

I will. I will indeed.

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Ahhhhh J root. That makes sense. More terminology to learn.

Lastnight before the pictures I gave all three a water. Only Camara was ready for it, but I wanted to get them all on the same watering schedule. When should the next watering be? I've been doing it every other day, trying to feel when the cup gets lighter and I can stick my finger in without getting moist.

On other thing I noticed. The perlite is a bit brown on top. Is it getting cooked by the light? Is the soil, or the water doing it?

Anyways, here are the pics.

Camara - she grew the most today. So far she's leader of the pack.
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/374/dsc00200j.jpg

The Unnamed One - this is getting a bit depressing. She needs a name!
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/3126/dsc00199a.jpg

and Scarlet
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9959/dsc00198j.jpg

All three showed growth today. This makes me a happy grower. :cool:

[t3hn00b137]

Looks great man. Keep it up!

You could just name the "unnamed one" Mary Jane. :D lawl


TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Another day, more pictures. :)

Camara is definitely the fastest grower. I think being started in plain ol' soil helped her get the best start. From now on, I'll be starting all my seeds in Fox Farms Ocean Forest. No rockwool for me.

Mary Jane... hrmm, naming your cannabis Mary Jane seems kinda plain... like naming your dog Spot. Maybe we can go a little farther with it. I do like Spiderman, and Peter Parker's girlfriend is named Mary Jane Watson, so I think I'll name her Watson. Not very feminine, but hey, girls are using guy names all time now.

I'm going to try a bit larger picture size. Let me know if this is good for anyone readin or if I should go bigger/smaller.

Camara
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/570/dsc00201r.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2807/dsc00204k.jpg

Watson
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6039/dsc00202fs.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2259/dsc00205z.jpg

Scarlet
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9844/dsc00203u.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/710/dsc00206lm.jpg

[raizla]

I didn't water today.... wondering if I should. I think I'll water tomorrow morning instead and let them dry out a little more. :wtf:

[jtsik330]

If you have to debate, wait another day> my rule of thumb:D

[t3hn00b137]

That's what I recommend. If you have to debate, wait! Do you have a fan on them?

[raizla]

Yeah, I have a fan blowing full time at the light. You can see it in my first post. I just watered them a couple minutes ago. I really want these girls to grow faster. Am I doing anything wrong? I mean, there is new growth every day, and they're green as can be with no sign of burnt leaves. Do they just take this long? I'm not that patient I guess.

Also, the stems don't seem very strong. When I pour the water in there, it almost knocks them over. What do you guys use to water these little girls?

Camara
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5616/dsc00210hg.jpg

Watson
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3006/dsc00209zj.jpg

Scarlet
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/8114/dsc00208a.jpg

[raizla]

So I'm starting to think more dirt in the cup might have been a good idea. Camara is already right next to the edge, and soon the others will be too. LoL if only they'd stretch more! (I bet few people say that!) I wonder if it has anything to do with the superbright T5 light right on top of them.

Camara
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1714/dsc00212gq.jpg

Watson
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5967/dsc00213dx.jpg

Scarlet
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7024/dsc00214y.jpg

The girls
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/144/dsc00211vs.jpg

[t3hn00b137]

I was still only misting the soil at this point. I don't know if that is the correct thing to do, but it seemed to work fine... This part seems to take the longest though... The first 2 or 3 weeks take forever.

They look great!

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

It's that time of the day again. I think the growth is accelerating a bit. It's tough to tell when I'm always checkin on em. Gunna try a bit larger res picture. Let me know if these pictures are too big guys, I can always tone it down.

I think the soil has finally stopped receding. I took your advice t3hn00b137 and instead of the normal watering, I misted them until water came out the bottom of the cup. I'm wondering if my tap water is ok. In these higher res pics, you can see some white spots on the leaves. I'm pretty sure that's residue from drying water. What do you guys think?

I may have to rethink my stance on rockwool. Even though it took longest for the germinated seeds to sprout through the rockwool, it provides a good base for the roots. When I'm watering Camara (the seed planted directly into the soil) the soil will sometimes shift a bit and she'll be leaning to the side by the time I'm done watering.

On to the pics!

Camara
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4466/dsc00218pk.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5418/dsc00219cn.jpg

Watson
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/91/dsc00217s.jpg

Scarlet
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7511/dsc00216l.jpg

[raizla]

No watering today. I adjusted the fan a bit so that it wasn't blowing on the cups so much. I want the air circulated, but not a windstorm.

Lastnight I installed a temporary stem adjuster on Camara. She's been leaning to the side since my first watering knocked her down, so with a little help, she's straight now. It's just a garbage tie bent around the stem and the edge of the cup. I moved it a bit, and after just 1 day, Camara seems to be staying in her new position. I'll leave it a few more days though, just to keep her steady.

I think I've made the decision to go scrog. With three plants growing under a T5 fluorescent light, it seems the best way to get light to all the buds. Also, reading smoove's threads (on another forum), I was pretty convinced.

Camara
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7521/dsc00220n.jpg

Watson
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4545/dsc00221q.jpg

Scarlet
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9886/dsc00222c.jpg

[jtsik330]

How many lumens are those bulbs? How many inches away do you keep the lights? If the lights are within acouple inches you should see growth pretty rapidly. They look great for 10 days my guess in the next few days you should start seeing some nice growth. When I began giving my girls 24/0 I saw growth every 8 hours. Its good to get the bulbs real close that way the nodes are nice and tight! Stretching was rough on me when i was using cfl's but you got some nice space. Be patient and the end results will be better...I did some pretty sweet LST'ing, a SCROG would be sweeeet with your setup!:)


I'm sticken around for this one:jointsmile:

[raizla]

Yeah jtsik330, a scrog is definitely the way to go on this one. The T5's are 5000 lumens each, so 6 of em gives me a total of 30,000 lumens over the grow area. The cups are so small I'm sure they're not getting 1/8 of that light to the plants at this small stage. The lights are about 3 inches above the plants. The leaves are coming in right on top of one another currently so they must be getting good light. These are White Widow though, so I expect they'll start to take off soon.

My only worry is flowering with the T5, but since this is my first grow, I'm just going to risk it. I plan on changing either 3 or 4 of the 6 bulbs to 3000k when flowering starts.

Oh, and the plants aren't actually 10 days old. I just started counting when I started the grow log, which was before sprouting, so I guess the plants are 7 day old sprouts.

[jtsik330]

if you would love to see those girls explode hit em with 6500k bulbs during veg. I was sent 5000k bulbs by mistake and I could drastically see the difference in growth.2700k has proven to be the best during flower for me.

[raizla]

Hrmm I suppose I didn't make it too clear, but the lights are actually 6500k lights with 5000 lumens of output each.... and yeah, it looks like 2700k is the sweet spot for flowering. :thumbsup:

So, I'm not going to water today. The first set of leaves was a tiny bit droopy yesterday, so we'll see how they look by tomorrow night. :wtf:

I went to the store today and bought some Grow Big, Big Bloom, and Tiger Bloom (the Fox Farm Trio!), as well as a basic General Hydroponics pH control kit. I plan on using a high quality pH meter eventually, but until I find a great deal, this kit will do for now.

A couple interesting observations:

1. The leaves all have very very tiny white dots on them if you look closely. At first I thought it was the water I was giving them leaving residue on the plant, but I haven't watered for a couple days, and even the new growth has these little dots on the leaves, so it must not be the water. Any clues anyone?

2. The first set of leaves have an extra crease in them besides the one going down the middle of the leaf. Is it this way for all cannabis plants, or something unique to WW or even unique to this strain of WW?

Questions I don't have answers to... :i feel stupid:

Camara
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5953/dsc00223f.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2995/dsc00224g.jpg

Watson
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/857/dsc00225d.jpg

Scarlet
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1294/dsc00226rb.jpg

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6425/dsc00227y.jpg

The goop!
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1622/dsc00228u.jpg

[raizla]

So I tested the tap water I've been giving them. The pH is between 7 and 8! :( I'm glad I found this out now before I started giving them nutrients. Before tomorrows watering I'm going to adjust to 6.3. I noticed a bit of yellowing on Watson's leaves... it's hard to see in the pictures. I wonder if it's because he's thirsty, full, or needs a pH adjustment.

Oh and I also added a drop of acid to see if it would change the color. BAM! Immediate drop to ~4.0. The water turned bright red. At least I know the stuff works. :D

[t3hn00b137]

I am not positive, but you may want to check your roots. I started noticing droopiness, off colored leaves, and leaves that started twisting at about the height that yours are at.


TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Really? They're only about 9 days old now. Could it be time to transplant?

[raizla]

So tonight was the first pH adjusted watering. First I tested the water than I had sitting in the spray bottle for a couple of days. This tap water had a pH between 7 and 8 somewhere. Time to lower it.

I added pH down solution, about 6 drops. This got spray bottle to a pH between 6 and 6.5. Good enough to water all three cups with.

Next I tested the runoff from the first plant, Watson. The runoff pH was about 7.0, so it wouldn't do me any harm to lower the pH a bit more for the next watering. I went ahead and got a gallon of water ready sitting at a pH of about 6.2.

The plants were looking a bit droopy after 3 days without water. I wanted to wait until they perked up a bit before snapping some pics, but it's a slower process than I thought, so y'all get some droopyish leaves tonight.

Oh, and these plants do NOT seem to be getting taller. They're just throwing out leaves on top of leaves on top of leaves while staying short and stubby. Is there such a thing as too much light? Maybe a 6 lamp T5 2 inches away is too much?

Camara
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5304/dsc00231yi.jpg

Watson
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/371/dsc00232pc.jpg

Scarlet
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5130/dsc00233ox.jpg

[t3hn00b137]

My plants were pretty short and stubby at first also so I raised the lights and got a ton of un-needed height. Keep your lights close man. The stalk will stretch later...

They look good!

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

I suppose I'll take your advice. I did notice some growth today. Patience patience patience. :stoned:

Also, the plants did seem to perk up today after yesterday's watering. It'll be easier to tell if they're thirsty now that I've seen what they do. I was expecting the leaves to perk up right after the watering like my bamboo does, but cannabis seems to take several hours to recover.

Camara
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9762/dsc00236yy.jpg

Watson
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6207/dsc00235ff.jpg

Scarlet
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/8237/dsc00234e.jpg

[raizla]

After looking at the plants for a little while (I tend to do that) I'm noticing that the tips are curling up a little bit. Any ideas what it could be?

I think I'm going to transplant into 1 gallon pots tomorrow.

Edit: After doing some reading, it may be that the plant is trying to shed moisture (I just watered yesterday), or possible the light is too close.

Since I can't do much about the moisture, I'm moving the light up about 3/4 inch. We'll see if it helped at all in the morning.

[t3hn00b137]

They look pretty good. A little stressed, but otherwise seem to be doing great!
This part is a drag (pun?), but give it a week or two and you won't be able to keep up!
I love watching these beautiful ladies stretch their legs. I love bud-porn! lol


TehNooblet:pimp:

[jtsik330]

They looks great! You can only hope the nodes are that tight! I'm using MH now and when I used cfl's I can keep them so close to the plant during veg that i feel like it was better then my MH? Girls look good can't wait till they really start taking off.

[maro69camaro]

looking good:thumbsup: i burnt my Casey Jones up pretty bad and it looks like your have now passed me up. Lets see if i can make a come back:D

[raizla]

t3hn00b137
Thanks man. I'm hoping as soon as I transplant that they'll just take off! Today I think the growth rate is increasing. Who knows what I'll think tomorrow. ;)

jtsik330
Yeah, everyone raves about the HPS and MH. I think I've been convinced that HPS will give a better flower than CFL or fluoro, but I haven't seen any conclusive evidence showing MH does better than CFL or fluoro for veggin.

maro69camaro
Yesterday was fun. We need kick some ass again soon.
It's good to have someone to compare to throughout the grow. I rather hope you do pass me up!

No water today. Nothing done to the plants.

And on to the pics..

Camara
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6020/dsc00239sj.jpg

Watson
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4533/dsc00240hu.jpg

Scarlet
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/818/dsc00241o.jpg

[raizla]

Well today I repotted. You guys were right, it was time. I think the twisting leaves is the first sign of a repot needed. I moved them up from the plastic cups to 1 gallon pots. When it's time again, I'll move up to 3 gallon pots.

I kinda smashed to top of Camara when I was taking her out of the cup. Hopefully she isn't too damaged, but only time will tell. Also, I'm definitely noticing a smell coming out of Camara. She's been the leader all along, so it would make sense she'd start to stink the place up first.

Camara
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4130/dsc00242tc.jpg

Watson
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2828/dsc00243h.jpg

Scarlet
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6007/dsc00244te.jpg

and there is a new addition to the family. A pepper plant! If you guys want, I can include periodic updates on the pepper as time goes on.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1817/dsc00245it.jpg

[Gare0440]

i like your setup:thumbsup: im running a grow similar to yours only the 4 bulb 2' from hydro farms t5along with 6 cfl's your plants are looking like mine did! super short and bushy. i put mine into bud already but im interested to see what your system puts out. goodluck man!:jointsmile:

[t3hn00b137]

Those look amazing. How did the roots look when you popped them out of their cups? The leaves look a ton better even after just that little bit in the new pots. Kudos!

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Gare0440
I'm gunna have to check out your setup. Are you going all the way to harvest with the T5s and CFLs?

t3hn00b137
The roots looked good and healthy. The plant was slightly rootbound, but not as much as I've seen from others who've posted pics. I think that's the point of starting them in a smaller container.... to get a stronger root system. The soil held together pretty well when I took them out of the cups. I meant to get pictures, and had my camera right beside me, but completely forgot. :madnoel:

I think I transplanted at the perfect time because I didn't see any big signs of stress that caused damage to the plant. Just the twisting and culing leaves. I will probably switch on the same day in future grows from seed.

The plants look like they're adjusting to their new home quite well. All three look happy, healthy, and growing.

Camara
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/405/camara.jpg

Watson
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/2180/watson.jpg

Scarlet
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8859/scarlet.jpg

[Ocotillo]

Dude, this is like so weird. I'm doing the same seeds, using the same cups, same tables, almost same fluro's (I made a bank of T-12's), same closet thing, even the same cheezy (no offense) sliding mirror closet doors!!! :thumbsup:

I think tomorrow I'm going to wake up all Twilight Zone were nobody will know me but they will be calling me the the name Raiz'. :wtf:

Thanks for the grow, nice set up, and great pix! How did you post them so HUGE? :what:

[Ocotillo]

NO WAY!!!!! I just noticed you are doing peppers too?????? :eek:

OK, man.... Now you're just F-ing with my head. I got it, jokes over. It's like the evil Spock (with goatee) in the transverse universe. Very good, well done sir. :wtf:

Enjoy! :dance::dance:

[raizla]

I usually post the pics up at imageshack.us in 1024x768 so they fit my screen just right. They give you a direct link after you upload the file.

It's a small world, and there are only so many combinations of setups. I'm sure there is probably a 3rd person who has a grow just like ours... these things always come in 3's. :D I noticed you're doing 18/6, while I'm at 24/0. Do you notice any difference between your plants and mine at the same age? Mine are 13-14 days since they sprouted above soil.

I have no idea how to grow the peppers. My gf just bought a plant and we stuck it in there. Feel free to share any tips you have.

[Gare0440]

there looking good man and yeah im gonna use the t5 for my whole process but with the cfl's added in who knows the true potential of the t5. your setup is just like mine. I've ran 24/0 threw my whole veg from seed for about 30+ days. the light is pretty much the same as i had, practically touching the foliage. check out mine im sure it will be a close idea of how the vegging will go.
Lookin good bro:rastasmoke:

[raizla]

That time of the day again. Keep growin girls.
On the next watering (probably tomorrow) they're going to get their first taste of nutes. I bet they can't wait!


Camara
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/716/camarak.jpg

Watson
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2180/watson.jpg

Scarlet
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5526/scarleth.jpg

[maro69camaro]

you just put them in fresh soil, i would hold off on the nutes for another week or two before you give them any. then soil has plenty to keep them happy. you dont want them looking like my poor casey jones it hurts. and man they look good:thumbsup:

[raizla]

I come home tonight to check on my girls and guess what I found!? Discoloration! This is the first sign of any realy problems with the plants, so lets see if we can figure it out. The leaves aren't a nice dark green like what I'm used to. There is a lighter green, and even a few very tiny brown spots randomly. It's not only on the top leaves, but mostly. This happened to all the plants on the same day.

As most of you know, I'm growing in FFOF soil, I pH the water to between 6.5 and 7 between watering, I've used NO nutes yet, and I'm using a T5 4 foot, 6 light setup. Today I did leave the heat on at home, and the room was 78 degrees at around 7:30pm when I got home.

Do you think I cooked the girls a bit during the day?

Are they looking for nutes that aren't there? I just transplanted a couple days ago into bigger pots.

Are they thirsty? I'm not sure this looks like thirsty plants to me, although it is time for a water.

Pics:

Camara
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/5282/dsc00252d.jpg

Watson
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4085/dsc00253yl.jpg

Scarlet
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8361/dsc00254yc.jpg

Zoomed in discoloration:
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1191/dsc00256jv.jpg

[raizla]

I didn't know what to do.
I waited for anyone out there with knowledge to respond.
I waited and waited. Noone responded.
I didn't know what to do!
I panicked!
I thought maybe it was a nute deficiency.
I added 1 tablespoon of Big Bloom to the 1 gallon container.
I added 1 teaspoon of Grow Big to the 1 gallon container.
I watered/fed them.
I think they'll most likely be dead in the morning.

:mad:

[redtails]

They shouldn't die from half strength nutes...Don't know how to fix your prob but it doesn't look that bad

[Ocotillo]

I think they'll most likely be dead in the morning.

:mad:

So I'll bet they are still living and doing very well. Those spots seem like a "non issue" to me. Perhaps some water spots did that theoretical magnifying glass burnt spots thing? Can any growers with more experience opine? bump?

With those nutes I'd adhere to the Fox Farm schedule and I'm sure your half dose is a fine place to start. I'm not an "expert" although I feel safe saying that. Also here is a handy place for lots of info, this page shows pix of nute problems:
Marijuana Plants Problems - Yellow Leaves, brown spots, nutrient shortage etc. (http://www.marijuana-seeds.net/Thanks-ThankYou.htm)
I've read all their pages and would advise the same.
Enjoy!

[redtails]

Hey Oc, you here in the valley? I'm out in Mesa/Gilbert myself...

Sorry for any thread-jacking...

[bigtopsfinn]

Plants are looking good Raiz... probably nothing to worry about yet.

One thing I wanted to ask from seeing your pics, you're not letting pots sit in the drainage water right? I though I saw some standing water in those run-off containers you had.

[t3hn00b137]

This is a weed we are talking about. Unless your "nutes" included weed killer I think you will be fine.
Just let them dry out a little bit and use clean distilled water or water that has been sitting out for at least 24hrs.
Also, you shouldn't water on a schedule. You should water according to how dry the soil is. Stick your finger in the soil up to your first knuckle and if it is dry it's time to water.
If you re-potted not to long ago the soil could have nutes in it already and you could have a little bit of nute burn. Another thing may be heat burn, as you said...

[Ocotillo]

Hey Oc, you here in the valley? I'm out in Mesa/Gilbert myself...

Sorry for any thread-jacking...

How can we discuss such matters without setting off a raid of helicopters, dogs and a team of MP-5's with flash bangs? :apachecopter::bnd2:

If I were however, it would possibly be near the new cactus looking thing where those red birds play with an odd shaped pig skin...... :wtf:

[raizla]

Somehow they made it through the night! :D You guys were all worried for nothin. My weedlings are just fine.

Ocotillo
Thanks for the link. I spent a good part of lastnight reading through all the different sick plant threads. For now I'm just going to say it's nothing major, unless the problem gets worse. I still wish some expert would come in here and tell me exactly what it is...

t3hn00b137
Yeah, I usually only water when it feels dry, however that has been pretty much a regular schedule. In the cups it was every 3 days. In the 1 gallon containers it seems to be every 4 days.

bigtopsfinn
Nah, no drainage water. I dump it out and give it to my roses or bamboo.


For the next watering (since I added nutes on the last watering), do you think it would be ok to add some molasses, or should I wait until flowering for that?

Camara
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/503/dsc00257c.jpg

Watson
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5181/dsc00258hc.jpg

Scarlet
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9311/dsc00259kt.jpg

Tha gurlz!
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3029/dsc00260kx.jpg

[raizla]

Just got home from work. Dead tired. Here are the girls.

Camara
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/1893/dsc00261j.jpg

Watson
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8154/dsc00263w.jpg

Scarlet
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/789/dsc00265l.jpg

[Dutch Pimp]

Those T-5's are doing a great job in veg....:thumbsup: I need to ditch my T-12's & upgrade to T-5....or at least T-8.

Are they the High Output T5's?...($$$$)

Good Luck!...raizla

[Ocotillo]

Yeah, what's up with those lights? We want the juicy details, watts, lums, temps each and I think you already said 30,000 lum total? That's a good amount. Did you say you have cooler bulbs for veg and warm for flower?

If they get tall, or just for hoots, you could get some Home Depot flood lamps, those ones with the clamps, (about $7) and some 42W CFL's "150W eq" (about $10 each) to boost the lums when the lights move up. I'm not saying your shy on light, just that @ 2,500 lumen each, only four would be another 10,000 you could place where needed.

[raizla]

The lamp is a Sun Blaze, 6 bulb, T5, 4 foot, high-output fixture. Each light 54watt and is rated at 5000 lumens which brings the total to 30,000 lumens and 324 watts when you combine all 6. The bulb color is 6500k. It was $183 at my local hydro store. The price was $230 for what looked like the exact same lamp at two other hydro stores. This guy has a bigger inventory and is trying to undercut everyone. If you're near LAX I can give you the name of the store if you PM me.

Right now the nodes are staying pretty tight. The plants are growing both outwards and upwards at the same time, so I'm not too worried right now. I imagine that soon the light from the T5 won't be enough to penetrate the canopy and the lower leaves will begin to yellow. If that happens, I don't have a plan to stop it. My hope was to go with a SCROG, and switch 4 of the 6 bulbs to 3000k, and leave the other two at 6500k when I turn the plants to flower.

Here is are a few pictures overhead of each plant tonight, as well as a side view. The plants are looking very happy and healthy. They've had only 1 feeding of 1/2 strength Fox Farm nutrients (Grow Big and Big Bloom). I figured out that the discoloration I saw before and the small brown dots were because I let them get too close to the lights. From now on the lights must stay at least 2 inches away from the plants AND have a fan blowing across the top of the canopy. T5's will burn your plant! The plants don't seem to mind that it's very windy in there though, and the constant moving air seems to have made the stems pretty tough.

Tough stems for such a small plant, notice the nodes are so tight that the first set of leaves sits on the dirt:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4162/dsc00274sk.jpg

All three plants - again notice how bushy and tight the nodes are.
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/622/dsc00270i.jpg


Camara
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/201/dsc00271b.jpg

Watson
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5601/dsc00272aa.jpg

Scarlet
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9480/dsc00273aj.jpg



My girlfriend wanted to ask you guys if you think her cayenne pepper has something wrong with it. The stem is a bit black in certain areas, however it seems to be growing ok. :D I don't really care as much about that plant, but she's worried.

[Ocotillo]

My girlfriend wanted to ask you guys if you think her cayenne pepper has something wrong with it. The stem is a bit black in certain areas, however it seems to be growing ok. :D I don't really care as much about that plant, but she's worried.

My peppers are also getting "black" stems, I used the quotes because let's call it purple, dark purple. Perhaps a P deficiency like purple weed stems? I googled peppers PH as I just assumed treating them the same as weed was OK. Long story short (too late) Peppers PH should be quite acid acidic, down like 6.0 - 6.5. I'm going to bring it down but they otherwise look good. :greenthumb:

That T5 is awesome, very efficient too as my T 12's use a bit more and make a bit less than half the light.... But since I have two rooms I'm bottle necked with flower time anyway. At least that's what I tell myself. ;)

[raizla]

Well it's Saturday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

Camara
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2417/dsc00278t.jpg

Watson (with flash)
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5808/dsc00280v.jpg

Scarlet
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/994/dsc00281pc.jpg

So which do you guys prefer? With or without flash?

[raizla]

Looking at the leaves, they definitely appear to be a sativa/indica cross. They're neither short and fat, nor long and skinny. It will probably become more apparent as the plants get bigger.

Indica/Sativa
http://www.shivashantiseeds.com/images/indica-leaf.jpghttp://www.hopeprovidersofmontana.com/dnn/Portals/0/sativa-leaf.jpg

Another thing I noticed is that all three plants have a slightly different smell. In all cases it's a bit piney, but one smells more skunklike, and another is more... weed-like smelling.

[Dutch Pimp]

well...Nirvana WW is a hybrid 60/40. I've been growing Nirvana WW's since '05...and you do get variations....but, I still like them...crippling high @ 5% amber...:thumbsup:

[raizla]

Dutch Pimp that's awesome. I'm going to have to check out some of your grow logs. If you don't mind, could you scroll back a few posts and see what you think the discoloration and light brown spots are from? I'd love to hear the take from someone with several years growing experience. :jointsmile:

[Dutch Pimp]

I looked at all pics. I didn't see anything worth worrying about. WW is a light feeder; don't try and supercharge the seedlings.

Actually, I have never seen more compact WW seedlings...:thumbsup:...just watch the new growth. A few minor spots or discoloring lower down, is normal. Don't sweat the small stuff.

[t3hn00b137]

I can't get over how good those ladies *crosses fingers* look!!!! Short and stocky. Just how I like 'em! hehe

[Ocotillo]

It's only 3 weeks and those honies are already spilling over those 1 gallon pots! :yippee: You are WAY ahead of schedule and going strong. :weedpoke: Everything always looks so clean too. :eat: Great job. :greenthumb:

[raizla]

Well it's Sunday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

Dutch Pimp, again, thanks for the info. I'll definitely try to worry less. No promises. ...and tightest you've ever seen? That makes me so :D.

t3hn00b137, ya know, I don't know if I've even mentioned it through this whole log... but the seeds I bought from Nirvana are feminized. My bad guys! Sometimes I space out on the biggest details and include the most minor points. Wonder how bad I'll be when I'm high! (only been high once)

Ocotillo, they still seem to be growin great, so I just let em be. Btw, I love that crazy running icon. I try to keep things as clean as possible, but with all the air the fans suck in, it keeps getting dusty.

A couple notes for today:
1. Watered all three until I saw a little bit of run-off with 6.5 pH water + 1 teaspoon of epsom salt added to the gallon of water. I figured the extra calcium/magnesium couldn't hurt. Currently, 1 gallon of water is enough to water all three and still have 1/8 of the gallon left for the cayenne pepper.

2. I installed some velcro I got from Lowes around the inside of the room. I bought some panda film (thick black and white plastic) from the hydro store. I need to stop going there because I keep spending money.
My plan is to get rid of the light leak around the outside of the sliding mirrored door and gain more control over the environment inside. Before I attach the panda film, I want to create a couple zippered doorways in it. Hopefully this will also block a lot of the sound from the ceiling fan as well.

Questions for today:

1. When do you guys think I should go into 3 gallon pots? The plants are short and bushy, so I'm not sure the 1 foot/1 gallon rule applies. I may have to transplant at 9-10 inches.

2. When should I go into flower? Another week? Longer? What is a good measurement tool?

3. Should I start the scrog before flowering or after?

4. Are 3000k bulbs ok for flowering, or should I strive for 2700k? At Lowes they have 3500k T5 bulbs, however I'm pretty sure these would be too white, and not enough red. The 3000k bulbs are $10 each at the hydro store... so that's $40 if I turn 4 of my 6 red (the original plan).

I think that's it for now, so I'll stop rambling and show off the girls. :)

Camara
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7165/dsc00282k.jpg

Watson
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8374/dsc00283fo.jpg

Scarlet
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/9573/dsc00284t.jpg

The girls
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3605/dsc00285ar.jpg

[t3hn00b137]

They look good that is for sure.

1. I would say let the soil dry out and transplant now.

2. The ideal time to flower is when they are sexually mature. The nodes will normally look like a Y right? Wait until those Y branches begin growing individually and staggered(sorry, I am really blazed and don't know if this makes sense).
The only reason I would flower any sooner is just to get product out the door.

I don't know anything about your light system so I won't even start in on that.

Answer something for me. How is it that you have only smoked once and you decided to grow. That seems very extreme to me. lol

Anyway, keep up the work man. They look great!

TehNooblet:pimp:

[Vancefish]

They look good that is for sure.

Answer something for me. How is it that you have only smoked once and you decided to grow. That seems very extreme to me. lol

They look great!

TehNooblet:pimp:

I was thinking the same thing. BUT add to that,... How high (with this POTENT bud)would a person get, who's only ever smoked once! :S2:

On those lights, I want em! :D SO little stretch!

[raizla]

I was thinking the same thing. BUT add to that,... How high (with this POTENT bud)would a person get, who's only ever smoked once! :S2:

On those lights, I want em! :D SO little stretch!

I may be the first person to OD on marijuana. :jointsmile:
I've actually tried pot 3 times... just been high once.
Once, I was 17 and at my girlfriend's house. Her dad had some in a drawer (a lot actually). We took it all, threw it in some brownie mix, and cooked it. The brownies sucked, and we didn't get high at all. The only thing I got from that exerpience was a tummy ache from eating so many brownies (too much sugar).

A couple years later I was at the apartment of a different girl I was dating and she wanted to get me high. I took like 6-7 big bong hits and about coughed out my lungs. We ate sushi, which tasted amazing, and for a minute I thought her arm was detached. :hippy: Then I got really sleepy and passed out. I awoke 10 minutes later to her giving me a blow job, came, and then passed out again. She was a little pissed she wasted so much weed on me as she was a poor college student.

Fast forward to a couple weeks ago. I gave a friend 5 unknown seeds Nirvana sent me, and he traded me a couple grams of "Russian Purple Kush Haze." Yes, that's what he called it, and yes, I realize that isn't a real strain.
Anyways, I got high. Sort of a floaty feeling, with a tingle all over my body. It felt nice, and was the first time I was really high. It lasted about an hour and a half. The next day I tried to smoke the other half of the blunt, but it was too short, and superheated smoke went into my mouth about burning me, so I gave up and threw the rest out.

[raizla]

1. I would say let the soil dry out and transplant now.

Already? They've only been in the 1 gallon pots for 8 days.


2. The ideal time to flower is when they are sexually mature. The nodes will normally look like a Y right? Wait until those Y branches begin growing individually and staggered(sorry, I am really blazed and don't know if this makes sense).

That makes total sense. Yeah, they're still doing the "Y" thing so I'll wait.



Anyway, keep up the work man. They look great!
Thanks man! ...and thanks for the support too. I really appreciate it.

[raizla]

Well it's Monday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

I think I'm going to take you guys' advice and transplant soon. The plants are growing pretty quickly. I'm going to have to put them on the floor soon as my little stand is running out of room.

Tonight I installed the panda film. I used velcro all around the outsides to hold it to the wall. It seems to be working pretty well. Then I installed 2 zippers straight up the plastic on each side as entrances. The panda film is 100% light blocking. The only light leaks I have now are minor ones through the zippers and a little bit along the bottom edge. I plan to clear that up with a small piece of velcro all along the bottom. Then I'll be completely sealed.

Questions of the day:
1. How do I create an air inlet so that cool air can get in, but no light? The panda film is already forming an inward shaping bubble because of the exhaust fan.

2. Should I put the mirrored doors back on, or leave em off? On = stealthy, Off = easy.

On to the pics.
Zipper open/Zipper closed
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3716/dsc00288m.jpghttp://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4599/dsc00289om.jpg

Camara
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3243/dsc00290c.jpg

Watson
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4319/dsc00291hj.jpg

Scarlet
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4215/dsc00292p.jpg

Supertight nodes growing between one another
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8447/dsc00294zo.jpg

They've graduated. They're no longer weedlings. They're now shrubbery.
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2100/dsc00295kr.jpg

[t3hn00b137]

I didn't realize it had been 8 days. Whoa, time is much slower than I thought. lol :stoned:

I thought I saw a bit curling going on, but I think it is just because your nodes are SOOOO tight. You could wait a little while.
Damn, those look amazing...

TehNooblet:pimp:

[t3hn00b137]

The next day I tried to smoke the other half of the blunt, but it was too short, and superheated smoke went into my mouth about burning me, so I gave up and threw the rest out.

That little blunt tip should have been saved. You are going to have a lot of those lying around when your grow finishes. If you are going to throw them away you should send them my way! lol I save those little suckers until I get enough to make a daddy joint/blunt out of them and smoke that or just stick the leftover stuff into a bowl and smoke it (take off the paper first, PLEASE).

Sorry, but I hate seeing herb go to waste.:rasta:

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Well it's Tuesday, and you know what that means. Picture day!


Sorry, but I hate seeing herb go to waste.:rasta:

I totally agree with you. I bought a bunch of Kerr jars so that I can properly store the bud... if I don't mess something up before that. =P

Today I started on the screen that I'll use for the SCROG when it comes time. Right now I can't imagine bending these guys over, as the leaves are already running into one another.

I know what you're thinking... what happened to the 1 gallon pot Camara was planted in? She swallowed it with leaves!
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5802/dsc00297n.jpg

Camara
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9555/dsc00298y.jpg

Watson
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7476/dsc00299zm.jpg

Scarlet
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8104/dsc00300aj.jpg

Girls
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6178/dsc00301st.jpg

[t3hn00b137]

Man, those ladies are SEXY! In the words of Andy Samberg "...I Jizz in my pants!" Those look amazing. Whatever you are doing keep it up!

[raizla]

Well it's Wednesday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

I'm going to change the picture formatting up a bit today. I figure as they get more and more into the SCROG it'll become difficult to tell them apart anyways.

Watered with 1/2 strength nutes today, which means 1.5 teaspoons of Grow Big, and 1 tablespoon of Big Bloom. Next nute watering they'll be in 3 gallon containers, and I'll use Tiger Bloom/Big Bloom, but no Grow Big.

Also finished the screen I'll be using later on. When I put it up I'll post some pics.

Watson/Camara/Scarlet - in that order
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/681/dsc00303y.jpg

Again
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4988/dsc00306dp.jpg

...and a few pics of the mess of leaves hiding under the canopy...
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9406/dsc00307lt.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1760/dsc00308tc.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1890/dsc00309d.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2862/dsc00312t.jpg

[raizla]

same order as yesterday. drunk and tired. gnite!
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7016/dsc00314n.jpg

[PhatJay]

They are looking really healthy :thumbsup:

[t3hn00b137]

I could only hope to have ladies that look that nice. Damn dude, you have a great looking grow.


TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Well it's Friday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

PhatJay, thanks man! Think you'll ever switch to regular soil or hydro? I'm not sure if I wanna do coco, go all out for hydro, or stay in soil for my next grow.

TehNooblet, I don't know wtf you're talking about. Your plants look awesome!

Busy night tonight so the girls didn't get much attention. I woke up hung over... not fun. It'll probably be a good 3 months before I forget how little fun being hung over is, and drink too much. :cool: Oh, and I had the order wrong yesterday... the plants were in order of Camara/Watson/Scarlet. I switch them around daily.

I think it's too small for even the camera to capture, but the very tips of a few leaves are showing some brownness. I would guess it's nute burn. For a couple days the tips were just a lighter green, but now it's a tiny brown spot. For the next watering, it's gunna be just water. Tomorrow is transplant day. That should be fun. I might try to take a clone off of each one if I get ambitious.

Camara/Watson/Scarlet tonight...
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6284/dsc00315ze.jpg

[t3hn00b137]

They are looking a little over watered. They look healthy though and they will perk up when you transplant.

Dude, I wish I would have left my ladies all short and bushy like that. That is why I say your ladies look amazing!

TehNooblet:pimp:

[sunbiz1]

same order as yesterday. drunk and tired. gnite!
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7016/dsc00314n.jpg

I'm looking at a leaf pattern on 6 of my plants here...they are almost identical to yours. Guess it's time to take some pics and compare.

[907dankz]

I might try to take a clone off of each one if I get ambitious.


Why wouldn't you =P?
They're looking good Raiz, keep it up.:thumbsup:

[raizla]

They are looking a little over watered. They look healthy though and they will perk up when you transplant.

Dude, I wish I would have left my ladies all short and bushy like that. That is why I say your ladies look amazing!
Hrmm, yes I agree that that look overwatered, but I'm not sure if that's the case, as I had actually watered 2 days earlier, and the soil felt pretty dry and airy. See my transplanting pics below. I wonder if it takes a couple days to show the signs of overwater, or if it's just because they are rootbound and unhappy.


I'm looking at a leaf pattern on 6 of my plants here...they are almost identical to yours. Guess it's time to take some pics and compare.
If I take a picture overhead of my plants, they look almost perfectly symmetrical. When you get some pics up, go ahead and put a link in this thread (don't worry I won't yell about threadjacking). I always like to compare plants.




I might try to take a clone off of each one if I get ambitious.
Why wouldn't you =P?
Laziness. :D I'll do it sooner or later.

[raizla]

Well it's Saturday, and you know what that means. Picture day! ...AND transplant day!!!:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

Notes:

I didn't pH the water. In fact I just got it straight out of the tap for the transplant. I didn't leave it standing 24 hours, I didn't boil it, nothin. Will this stress the plants? Possibly. Will it kill em? Nah! I kinda want to see what I can put them through.

I took some pictures so that I can follow the process (or make improvements) on my next grow, and you guys can see what I did.

Instructions:

Fill the 3 gallon pot with enough dirt so that when I put in the 1 gallon pot, it sits even, or slightly above the surface of the 3 gallon pot.
Then I fill the area between the 3 gal pot and the 1 gal pot with dirt.
Next, I pack the dirt down well, water the dirt, then pack it down again to get air pockets out.

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9558/dsc00318a.jpg


Next I remove the plants from their 1 gallon pots by massaging the outside of the pot until the soil loosens a bit.
I slide my hand in over the top of the pot with the stem going between my fingers, and push on the bottom-center of the pot with my other hand. This loosens the dirt enough to allow the plant to slide out. Here are a couple pics of the rootbound plants. Keep in mind these are only 26-27 days old. I started this log before the plants sprouted.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3606/dsc00320k.jpg http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1830/dsc00316y.jpg


The hard part is pretty much done now. I take the 1 gallon pot out of the water-soaked dirt within the 3 gallon pot, and put the plant right into the same spot. The soil has sunken in a bit due to air spots being filled and me packing the soil a bit, but that's ok.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7523/dsc00321mw.jpg


Finally, I add some soil around the plant to bring the soil level even with the top of the pot. A bit of watering/dirt packing happens here as well.
Here they are in their new homes. I had to raise the light a bit to keep from crushing the pepper, so I stuck a ream of paper under each pot to raise the girls to the light.
Camara/Watson/Scarlet
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3597/dsc00323m.jpg

I expect that they'll look overwatered and stressed for the next couple of days, but after that they should perk right up!

[t3hn00b137]

They look good! I can't wait to see them in flowering! Are you planning on leaving them in the 3-gal or are you going to go up to a 5-gal? One more question. How long are you going to leave them in veg? Sexual maturity, specific height, whenever you think you want to, etc..?

[raizla]

My original plan was to leave them in 3 gallon pots, but I'm a little worried about that. These guys became rootbound pretty fast in the plastic cups and the 1 gallon pots, so I figure they'll do the same in the 3 gallon.

So, the decision becomes...
A. Leave them in 3 gallon pots, and switch them to flower soon.
B. Switch them to 5 gallon pots in a couple weeks, and flower a few days after that.

Decision A leaves probably leaves me with a smaller overall yeild, however the plants will be easier to move around because they're lighter, the soil will dry out faster between waterings, trimming may be easier, and besides tucking the plants under the screen when it goes in there, I can be pretty lazy about maintenance.

Decision B gives me a possibly bigger yield, less possibility of nute burn/deficiencies due to having more soil to spread the nutes over, and the "oooooh, ahhhhh" at harvest because of bigger plants.

I think I'm going to go with A, because I want to spend my time creating a second grow area for the clones, and not hassle with 5 gallon pots. The exact day that I switch them to flower will be determined by when they fill the screen about 40% which should be pretty soon. Installing that is another little project I need to do this weekend.

[Ocotillo]

If it were me, and what I did, was to start flowering about now. You are at now where it took me about 6 1/2 weeks to get to with the T-12's plus a couple weeks on 400W MH. The flouro's where definitely tighter growth. It may not be "ideal" but since you are not sitting on a small mountain from any previous grows it may come in handy. You could concentrate more on setting record yields or quality down the road. :420thought:

I also like how you smoked about one time, then not only decided to grow, but decided to grow one of the most potent strains in history! I call that jumping in with both feet. Well done! :rastabanna:

[raizla]

Hah! I posted almost exactly what you were going to say right before you posted it. We really are in sync.... are you my neighbor?

[t3hn00b137]

This is still going to be a hell of a grow! I can't believe how tight those nodes are.

[Ocotillo]

Hah! I posted almost exactly what you were going to say right before you posted it. We really are in sync.... are you my neighbor?

We are like the evil Spock (with goatee) and the kind Spock. Same, but different. Like when Kirk knew his evil twin was lurking in engineering, because that was what the wimpy Kirk would have done. Our thoughts are one. Our minds are one, much like the Vulcan mind meld.

I knew you had Fem seeds before you said it, it was just automatically understood.

And yes, I was thinking the only "down side" to your system (please pardon me for saying if it sounds rude) is that you have no clone space. Be sure to mark your clones for each plant. I have one plant with much bigger buds and did not keep track other than WW. I don't know if the genetics are better or if it was just random environmental preference some how. Anyway, yes, clone for sure if you can. It's faster, easier and cheaper than seeds.

[TurboALLWD]

Are you trying to grow the nodes that close on purpose? The nodes are growing so close together that the leaves are on top of each other. A fan can't push any air through those plants. You might want to let them stretch some so they have room to grow some buds. lol Thats about as bushy a plant as I've ever seen! They do look healthy though, besides the little transplant stress.

[Dutch Pimp]

1. excellent transplant pics...:thumbsup:

2. soon...the moment of truth...flowering...to determine the sex...:)

3. Good Luck....(I just had 4 out of 4..standard seeds male WW's...this sucked)...:wtf:

[raizla]

Well it's Sunday, and you know what that means. Picture day!



Are you trying to grow the nodes that close on purpose?
Not at all! That's just how they decided to grow. Today it looks like they're stretching a bit on their own. I had to raise the light twice since yesterday. Twice.

Dutch Pimp, I was pretty sure they were females before, but now I'm sure. A lot can change in a day!

Yesterday's pic Camara/Watson/Scarlet:
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5453/dsc00323t.jpg

Today Camara/Scarlet/Watson:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2382/dsc00324nk.jpg

So the plants went nuts in their new 3 gallon homes lastnight. I was a bit shocked. They also showed their sex, which means they're ready to switch over to flower. We live in exciting times boys and girls! My girlfriend and I also took the liberty of decorating the pots with some sickers. :D

Female verification
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/4991/dsc00324aw.jpg

[raizla]

Had some time tonight, and I felt a bit of pressure to take some clones as the plants all showed their sex today.

Here's the setup
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9591/cloningsetup.jpg

..and a couple pictures of the final product
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7938/dsc00336kw.jpg

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3310/dsc00337ga.jpg

There were some people who told me I didn't have room in my little closet to put the clones. :wtf: Well people, when someone says you can't do something, you just gotta go prove em wrong! :D

One final note for the day... I am going to need some sort of device to smoke these babies with. Vaporizer, protopipe, bong, glass pipe... I still have no clue. Could those of you with more experience give me a little guidance?

[Ocotillo]

There were some people who told me I didn't have room in my little closet to put the clones. :wtf: Well people, when someone says you can't do something, you just gotta go prove em wrong! :D

Who the heck said that?
:(
I don't think I was the one to say "little", sorry bro. I meant, once your lights change to 12/12 flower you'll need another space/lights to veg the clones at 18/6. Probably another section of closet, or a box cabinet until the previous/current batch is done. That other T5 lamp is an excellent start.
:greenthumb:

[t3hn00b137]

That looks awesome. where are you planning on putting those clones to veg?

[DrSauce]

I'm new to this forum and this is one of the best threads I've came upon so far...

This thread has been a great read! Congrats on your ladies so far and im hoping for a big harvest! The detail of your procedures has made this thread a great one to follow! Just a couple things to think about...

What are your plans for post-harvest? Are you going to try and start a perpetual harvest? I noticed the dome you out the clones under has a bit of room especially if you transferred clones directly into trays. Cloning is an extremely effective and fast way to multiply your yield... just takes some advanced planning to veg and clone and flower at the same time. Don't mean to be preachy but dont wanna see your harvest fall victim of not planning before planting.

Other than that keep up the good work. Im anxious to see the yield you get from the f5s.

Be Easy
:rasta:

[raizla]

Who the heck said that?
Haha, I'm totally messin with ya man. Yeah, I need another vegging space sooooon! I have a few ideas formulating in my head.


That looks awesome. where are you planning on putting those clones to veg?
They're going to stay at 24/0 as long as I have room for them, which won't be much longer. Then, once they have good roots, I'll switch them over to whatever new vegging space I come up with and keep vegging till the current harvest is done.


I'm new to this forum and this is one of the best threads I've came upon so far...

This thread has been a great read! Congrats on your ladies so far and im hoping for a big harvest! The detail of your procedures has made this thread a great one to follow!
Thanks a lot man!



What are your plans for post-harvest? Are you going to try and start a perpetual harvest? I noticed the dome you out the clones under has a bit of room especially if you transferred clones directly into trays.
Post harvest I plan to smoke the bud! I hope I like it. :D I don't plan to do a perpetual harvest immediately following this one. What I'm going to do is smoke all three plants, and determine which one I like best based on 3 criteria. Flavor, High, and Quantity. Whichever original plant has the best combination of a great flavor, a nice high, and gives me a good quantity of bud, that's the clone that will become my mother plant.
The other 2 clones (assuming they don't die), will then be turned to flower and grown out as my next grow. After THAT grow finishes, then I will continue to take clones off of the mother plant. Make sense?


Don't mean to be preachy but dont wanna see your harvest fall victim of not planning before planting.

Other than that keep up the good work. Im anxious to see the yield you get from the f5s.

Yeah, there is definitely lots to think about. It's going to be a LOT easier my 2nd, 3rd, 27th grow... I hope the T5's give me something at least decent, cuz I don't really want to buy another light if I don't have to.
Oh and btw, welcome to the forum! That was a very well thought out first post.

[raizla]

Well it's Monday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

Things are getting a bit crowded around here...
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1258/dsc00338ez.jpg

The clones must like the 8W T5, as they all turned directly toward it. I had to move the light to the top of the grow dome. Hopefully they'll straighten out. LOL
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8793/dsc00339n.jpg

[Dutch Pimp]

The clones must like the 8W T5

I thought HO T5's were 54 watts?....anywho...this is the best use of T5's I've ever seen..:thumbsup:...congrats.

[t3hn00b137]

The ladies look great. Clones look great. Grow box has me laughing. The only thing I can see in that picture is the weight propping the fan up. That pic should have a caption on it that reads: "You know you are a stoner when the best use for your dumbbell is a prop." Or at least something along those lines... Idk I am pretty toasted so it is prolly a lot less humorous than I think...


TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Dutch Pimp, yeah, the HO T5's are 54 watt, however I have a small 8 watt T5 taped to the top of the grow dome. It may be a little hard to see in the picture.

I believe I have a solution to the veg area problem.
I really didn't want to have to create a whole new area to take care of the clones, so I thought and thought, and I believe I can turn the white stand I was using before into a small tent. I'll have to work on it tomorrow... pictures to come.

As for tonight, here are the ladies Camara/Watson/Scarlet
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6696/dsc00340v.jpg

I've fallen in love with the citrus smell they leave on my hands after messing with them. Is that weird?

[raizla]

Well it's Wednesday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

Let me start off by saying, this was a busy fucking day. Forgive me if I sound a bit drunk, because I am. It's St. Patty's Day. Concentration on grammar, however, can never be overlooked!

In this post, I'll just show you what the ladies looked like today before starting. The girls got water, and took almost 3 gallons. I wasn't expecting this, and had only pHed and added nutes to 2 gallons of water. Apparently I need to drink milk faster so that I have available jugs. The nutes added were 1.5 teaspoons of Grow Big per gallon for the two gallons that had nutes. The last gallon used was just plain tap, and it was a bit cold. The ladies are very resilient, so I'm not that worried. A little stress here and there is good for em, and they always bounce back stronger than before! :smokin:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/1660/dsc00340m.jpg

[raizla]

I needed a new vegging area for the clones. Common knowledge 'round these parts. So, I figure I might as well use what I already got.

I took the stand I was using before to bring the girls up to the light, and turned it into a tent. I had to remove the legs from the bottom, insert them into the top, and flip the stand over.
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6283/dsc00341a.jpg

Next I took some panda film and wrapped it around 3 sides of the stand, securing it with duct tape.
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1300/dsc00342z.jpg

..and finally I taped a flap to the front of the stand for easy access. Sorry for the over-exposed pic.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9425/dsc00343gy.jpg

Here it is installed above the grow area, on the shelf in the closet.
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1889/dsc00344s.jpg

Here is the stand with the flap lifted up. I taped the 8W T5 to the top of the stand, and put in the grow dome that the clones have been in.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5343/dsc00345x.jpg

Ta-Da! I have a vegging area separate from my grow area below. I still need to install some permantent ventilation, which will probably be a muffin fan, and make sure the whole setup is light proof.

[raizla]

As if that wasn't enough for one day, I figured I might as well install the screen for the SCROG.


I bought two 88 cent boards at Lowes to use, and some 99 cent paint to paint them white. Next time I'll use the $1.34 boards, as they are a lot straighter than the warped ones I got!
I measured and cut them to the size of the closet, and stapled them together with a staple gun. Then I added hinges in the middle of the screen so that it folds in half for easier installation/removal. Finally, I stapled on the plastic screen. Why plastic? It won't rust, corrode, or grow mold like metal or string would.
I supported the screen with 3 supports. 1 in the back, and 2 pieces of wood on the sides.
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2013/dsc00346rk.jpg

Next I put the plants in, and placed them in the "final" positions. I don't plan to move any of them except Watson, who is still too short for the screen. To put them where I wanted them, a bit of bending was required. This really hurt (me), because the girls are almost perfectly uniform on all sides when you view them from above. This method damn well better increase my yield!
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8854/dsc00347ln.jpg

Here is a final pic with everything put back into the closet. I'm obviously going to need a new fan situation.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9886/dsc00348y.jpg

Phew, long day. Happy St. Patty's everyone!

[raizla]

I ran all over the place looking for some fans that fit well into the closet. I really didn't like what I found, so I'll look again tomorrow at a few other places.

The picture for tonight... Camara/Watson/Scarlet
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/716/dsc00351rx.jpg

Note: Some of the lower leaves are starting to yellow due to the plants being so bushy, and the bottom leaves not getting enough light. I'm wondering if I should just trim them off myself, or let them yellow and die.

[Dutch Pimp]

I wouldn't bother the yellow leaves...the plant with suck the nutes out of them and discard them...:thumbsup:
...then they will pull off with a slight tug...:cool:

[t3hn00b137]

Or you could just buy a few cfl's and throw around the bottom of the plants and you wont have that issue anymore! lol They look awesome man! I can't wait to see them in flower.


TehNooblet

[maro69camaro]

im loving it. well done:thumbsup:

[raizla]

Yeah, I think I'll just let the yellow leaves die off. It'll make it easier to water since those bottom leaves are so low that they just sit on the dirt. All I really care about is having a good canopy at the screen level.

I'm getting antsy guys. I really want to fill out the screen more, but I also want to go to flower soon! Suggestions?

Camara/Watson/Scarlet
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8479/dsc00352o.jpg

Here are the clones at 5 days. They still seem nice and green. There aren't any roots poking out the bottom of the cups, so I'm just misting the leaves with water daily and spraying the top of the soil to keep it moist. How long is this process supposed to take again?
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9312/dsc00354rw.jpg

[redtails]

It's been a while since I checked in and man the girls look great! I like how you are scrogging the peppers too!

As for the flower or not question, with the size of screen you have you might want to fill it in for another week max, but once the 12/12 hits there will be extreme stretch and they will fill in the screen quicker than you realise!

The clones should take 1-2 weeks average to root, so it's not long now!

Again, awesome work with the gals & super clean setup.

[t3hn00b137]

I would say you should flower asap and worry more about scrogging more in a later grow. You are running short on room and obviously it isn't going to a little harvest for you. That is just my 2c...

I really like how you are going about this grow. You are doing HELLA good for your first grow.


TehNooblet:pimp:

P.S. I don't know much about scrogging, but could you just lower your screen to fill it in more?

[raizla]

Thanks for the info red. I look at the clones every day, still no roots out the bottom.

n00b, I'm takin your advice. Tomorrow morning the lights go out. I'm doing the dark cycle during the day to help even out the heat, and the lights come on about 8:30pm. 12/12.

I installed the 3000k T5 bulbs today... so I've got four 3000k bulbs, and two 6500k bulbs in the 6 bulb light.
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1834/dsc00355tt.jpg

The girls are a little bit different color under the "orange" lights. I prefer their look under the 6500k bulbs.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8206/dsc00357.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/379/dsc00358u.jpg

Oh, and that skinny fan in the corner was only $9 at Walmart. It's a lot louder than the previous fan, but fits in the room a whooooole lot better and moves a lot of air. Definitely recommended if you're lookin for a new cheap fan.

Here's a question for anyone out there reading... If I cut off the large fan leaves, it would allow more light to get to the newer growth, which will probably be my bud sites eventually. Do you recommend getting rid of the leaves, or just leave em be?

[Dutch Pimp]

:)...http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/55633-trimming-fan-leaves.html

[t3hn00b137]

I have cut a few of my leaves off after putting to flower and the spots that were uncovered have flourished... My three ladies have probably had 3 leaves cut off each. I didn't really want to, but the bud sites just weren't getting the light they needed and the leaves wouldn't stay bent back so I chopped 'em...

Everyone has different opinions, but the majority says not to cut the fans off...

The ladies look good, but they seem a little stressed. Did you notice any change after you installed the new lights?

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Well it's Sunday.... ;)

Looks like I'll just go ahead and leave those fan leaves on there. I don't want the gas to go directly to the tires, I need that engine.

n00b, I'm not sure whatcha mean about them bein stressed. To me, they look as good as ever, but keep in mind this is my first grow so I might be oblivious to the obvious.

Camara/Watson/Scarlet
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/3656/dsc00360m.jpg

What scrogging does to your nice, straight, uniform, pretty plant stems... :(
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4225/dsc00364w.jpg

The canopy is filling in slow but sure.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3641/dsc00368wp.jpg

Possible deficiency or overdose of somethin? Purple spots on the stem.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/3716/dsc00359e.jpg

...and finally, a pepper update. The girlfriend calls her Cheyenne the Cayenne. So clever that one... :cool:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4171/dsc00366br.jpg

The cool thing about the pepper, is that you can see the leaves on it get lighter and lighter green as you go down the plant. It really shows you that you gotta keep your plants as close to the light as possible without burnin em!

Note: I think I've found the bong I want to get. It's a delta-9, exactly like this one but maybe 2 inches taller and 7mm glass (so the salesman tells me). $110 at Venice Beach.
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/1916/delta9ie9.jpg
Tell me what you guys think!

[raizla]

Watered today. Puts some growth back under the screen. Not much else to say, here they are.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/5403/dsc00369yo.jpg

From the top.
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1589/dsc00371t.jpg

A bit of discoloration on the fan leaves. Thoughts anyone?
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5646/dsc00372t.jpg

A some pretty new growth.
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/659/dsc00370tq.jpg

The pepper plant has at least 3 peppers on it. Very nice!
I still want to hear everyone's opinion on the bong too.

[maro69camaro]

the glass dont look bad for a first bong, i got two things i smoke with every day, my glass pipe spoon shape i mostly smoke out of this but once or twice a day i got to get the bong out and take a few rips. i love glass:bonghit:

[t3hn00b137]

I had a great bong, but the wife accidentally bumped it off the counter and it shattered into a million little pieces... I loved that little thing. Ladies look great man. I am not sure about the discoloration. What are your temps in the closet? Hey, how are the clones? No pictures of those?

[raizla]

Well it's Tuesday...

The temps are fine. Mid 70's.

One or twice a day maro? Hah, I think I'll only be a weekend & holiday toker, so I wanna make it the best feelin possible. :stoned:

There won't really be much to report for a lot of the rest of the grow. I'm putting the branches back under the screen once a day. I'll always try to remember to say if I watered or gave nutes, but for the most part, we'll just be watching the girls flower together. :1baa:

Camara/Watson/Scarlet (their permanent order)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1812/dsc00381sr.jpg

Camara
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/4149/dsc00377bg.jpg

Watson
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8317/dsc00378b.jpg

Scarlet
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/253/dsc00379z.jpg

You ask for the clones, you get the clones....
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8818/dsc00373h.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7281/dsc00375t.jpg

Still no roots out the bottom of the cups, but the clones do seem to be growin, so I'm just leavin em in the dome. Soil is constantly moist. When do you think I should start letting them dry out?

[G13budsmoker]

good stuff man, read from page one to five lol, the screen definately helps bushy ass plants like ours but thats also why i cut a few fans off lol. cant wait to see if they get hella hairy when you flower them! as far as nutes topic, i also use the Fox Farm products and love them, i continue using them cuz very good results and the sayin goes if it aint broken dont fix it! your clones look good too, i would transplant them when you notice new growth as thats a sign of having roots.

[Gare0440]

Lookin good with the t5 man! i was kinda scared when i went out and bought this and came back to see people saying there mainly for cuttings and clones but after watching them grow from the t'5s i have no doubt u can use them all the way from start to finish. keep it up bro:rastasmoke:

[redtails]

I usually take the dome off right about now, only putting it back on if they start to wilt.

[raizla]

good stuff man, read from page one to five lol, the screen definately helps bushy ass plants like ours but thats also why i cut a few fans off lol. cant wait to see if they get hella hairy when you flower them! as far as nutes topic, i also use the Fox Farm products and love them, i continue using them cuz very good results and the sayin goes if it aint broken dont fix it! your clones look good too, i would transplant them when you notice new growth as thats a sign of having roots.

Welcome G13, glad you could stop by. I think I'm just going to leave the fan leaves alone and see how it turns out for the first grow. As far as nutes, I'm noticing slightly burnt tips on the White Widow. Others have mentioned that this strain really likes low dose nutes, so I think I'll go with 1/4 strength instead of 1/2 strength on my next feeding. The clones are definitely growing, so I'll let the soil dry a bit and transplant them.


Lookin good with the t5 man! i was kinda scared when i went out and bought this and came back to see people saying there mainly for cuttings and clones but after watching them grow from the t'5s i have no doubt u can use them all the way from start to finish. keep it up bro:rastasmoke:

Yeah, the T5's are great for light distribution over a big area. I think it's also easier to keep the temps down in the room. Inside the closet is only 1-2 degrees above the outside room temperature.


I usually take the dome off right about now, only putting it back on if they start to wilt.

It's funny you said that, as I took the dome off about 15 minutes before I read your post. Now I feel a little better about my decision! :)

[raizla]

Well...

I counted today, and there are 22 potential bud sites above the screen, and about the same amout below. If all grows well, that'll be 44 total bud sites! It's hard to see all of them since many are below fan leaves.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/3830/dsc00383j.jpg

I added another fan today to lightly blow across the buds.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I thought I saw my first trichome today. It was either a trich, or a shiny piece of dust. :wtf:

[leadmagnet]

The bigger and bushier your plants get the less happy you're going to be with those T5's. How many banks of lights are you using?

[raizla]

There are 6 lights in the 4 foot fixture. I'm not sure why I'd be upset? I did want to fill out the screen...

[raizla]

Tragedy my friends. *sigh*

The plant that grew the best, and promised to have the best overall bud, Scarlet, had her top broken off.
I was trying to put her back under the screen, but her stem was so strong and thick, it decided to snap rather than bend.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1835/dsc00389mf.jpg

After only an hour, the top is already wilting away...
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5049/dsc00391up.jpg

I really wanted to keep all the budsites even, and then let them grow all together, however I don't think this will happen. I fear that if I tried to bend Camara over again, she would break as well. So, I tied her down for now, just to keep her slightly even with the rest. It's difficult to see, but I used a garbage bag tie.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7497/dsc00392m.jpg

...and here are the the girls all together.
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8232/dsc00394ct.jpg

I hope that Scarlet can put her energy into the rest of the bud sites, and that this doesnt stunt her growth too much.
In other news, the cuttings look ready for transplant. I see roots coming out the bottom of two of the cups... unfortunately I don't have pots for them yet, but I will soon.

[maro69camaro]

dont worry about the top. its sucks but it will be fine it just happens once in a while if your bending tops. any time i do break one off i cut the end and throw it in my cloner.

[t3hn00b137]

That is actually what I was about to tell him to do maro69. I was wondering why he didn't...

They look really good though raiz.

TehNooblet:pimp:

[Gare0440]

yeah they loook real good! short and bushy! i like that little scrog setup u made, real simple and keeps the clean look going in the closet:thumbsup: i think your t5's a little crooked, that last picture makes it look so haha

[leadmagnet]

Hey, it happens. I think that has happened to all growers at one time or another. In the past I've had stalks fold and break but I was able to stand em back up secured with a rolled matchbook tied shut with string (assuming the stem didn't break all the way off). You'd be surprised how well some plants can recover.

[leadmagnet]

There are 6 lights in the 4 foot fixture. I'm not sure why I'd be upset? I did want to fill out the screen...

No offense but one bank overhead isn't ideal if you're going to use that kind of lighting. I'd set something up so they would also be getting light from the sides.

Of course, if you're happy with what you have- thats all that matters.

[bigtopsfinn]

Nice and healthy looking plants otherwise :thumbsup:

I find that by doing some LST early in veg, the shoots aren't so stiff by the time they hit the screen, and are easier to train :twocents:

Happy growing :jointsmile:

[raizla]

dont worry about the top. its sucks but it will be fine it just happens once in a while if your bending tops. any time i do break one off i cut the end and throw it in my cloner.


That is actually what I was about to tell him to do maro69. I was wondering why he didn't...

If I had the time, I probably would have. My girlfriend and I were just leaving for a movie, and I already have the three clones growing, so I just said screw it.


yeah they loook real good! short and bushy! i like that little scrog setup u made, real simple and keeps the clean look going in the closet:thumbsup: i think your t5's a little crooked, that last picture makes it look so haha

Good eye. Yeah the T5's were crooked yesterday because a couple leaves on the leftmost plant were sticking straight up after putting the rest under the screen. I didn't want the light to scorch em!


Hey, it happens. I think that has happened to all growers at one time or another. In the past I've had stalks fold and break but I was able to stand em back up secured with a rolled matchbook tied shut with string (assuming the stem didn't break all the way off). You'd be surprised how well some plants can recover.

These plants have a very thick main stem. When it broke, it almost broke clean off, leaving only a small strand of green holding it together. There wasn't much hope of saving this one. :(


No offense but one bank overhead isn't ideal if you're going to use that kind of lighting. I'd set something up so they would also be getting light from the sides.

Of course, if you're happy with what you have- thats all that matters.

I know I may not get the results of a 400W HPS setup, however I'm prepared for that, and I'm just enjoying the grow.


Nice and healthy looking plants otherwise :thumbsup:

I find that by doing some LST early in veg, the shoots aren't so stiff by the time they hit the screen, and are easier to train :twocents::

I may have to give earlier LSTing a try in one of my next grows. Thanks for the tip!

[raizla]

Today's pictures.

Top View
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6343/dsc00395i.jpg

Side View
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7460/dsc00400w.jpg

[raizla]

Well it's Saturday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

Today I transplanted the clones. They were really starting to take off, and the main root was out the bottom of two of the cups, so it was time. I'm sure they'll be happier in their new homes.

Family Photo
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4186/dsc00404on.jpg

Camara Clone
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7739/dsc00405u.jpg

Watson Clone
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6575/dsc00406r.jpg

Scarlet Clone
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9740/dsc00408r.jpg

Back in they go!
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/94/dsc00409nz.jpg

I'm not sure if I'm a badass pot-grower with a green thumb, or it's just dumb luck, but this cloning business seems pretty easy. None of the clones really showed any signs of stress, and all three have good roots. For light, I'm only using an 8 watt light I got at Office Depot when I was in college to do my homework under... which definitely isn't the brightest light. I also don't have any ventilation in the grow area. This will be the next thing to fix.


On to the main plants...

Overhead
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9554/dsc00401d.jpg

From the Side
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/7403/dsc00403fn.jpg

It may be difficult to see growth because I keep putting them under the screen, however it is happening. Also, there are hairs on almost all the new growth sites, so I can tell now where my buds are going to form from. It's hard to believe I'm going to be doing this for the next 2+ months... damn sativa plants!

Here's a pepper update. My girlfriend is super excited to get cookin with these peppers. Anyone know when it's ok to pick em? I've read that the redder the pepper gets, the hotter it gets, but we'd like to try some green ones too.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7717/dsc00402ck.jpg

[t3hn00b137]

I am not positive about the peppers, but I would say that you should let them grow a little bit depending on how hot you want them... What kind of pepper are they?

The ladies look great. The juniors look like they are getting a little stretched, but good. I would say you need to either lower the light in your clone "box" or just add a few lights...

Depending on how your grow goes I am thinking of buying some white widow seeds.

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

I am not positive about the peppers, but I would say that you should let them grow a little bit depending on how hot you want them... What kind of pepper are they?

The ladies look great. The juniors look like they are getting a little stretched, but good. I would say you need to either lower the light in your clone "box" or just add a few lights...

Depending on how your grow goes I am thinking of buying some white widow seeds.

The girlfrield and I got anxious tonight, so we ate a pepper. It's a cayenne pepper plant that my girlfriend named Shyanne. :icon220: That lil f*er had some kick and it was still all green. Pretty good flavor too, but a bit soft. I suppose it needs more growing time.

The clones are definitely stretching. That 8w light isn't enough for em, but I'll just keep topping them if I have to. They've got at least 2 months in that little chamber until it's time for transplant into the big room.

The WW so far has been pretty easy to grow. The main things I've learned are look for droopy leaves when they want water, and make sure to go light on the nutes. They seem happy in the FFOF soil, and can take water that isn't pHed properly just fine. Also, the temps have been in the mid 60's to mid 90's and I haven't noticed any ill effects due to temp. Also, watch for a growth spurt right after transplant.

So, something crappy happened today. The duct tape holding the 8W light above the clones gave out, and the light fell down. Of course, it landed right on top of Scarlet, my favorite. When I found her tonight, the light was still on top of her and she was laying completely on her side in the dirt. I took the light off, and she jumped halfways back up, so hopefully she'll be fine, but only time will tell the effect of the damage.
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7301/dsc00417a.jpg

I also added a computer fan to the room to get some ventilation going. Every time I would lift up the flap, it would smell like stale air in there, and the soil is staying wet too long. Hopefully the fan helps.
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3692/dsc00418oz.jpg

I watered the main plants today, and gave them ~1/2 strength nutrients. This is the first time I'm using the flowering nutrient "Tiger Bloom." So they got 1 tsp Tiger Bloom/gal, and 1 tsp of Big Bloom/gal.
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/3044/dsc00410wf.jpg

The leaves were a bit droopy today, so I should have watered yesterday. It was 6 days between watering. This week I'll make it 5.

[maro69camaro]

not sure if i missed it but have you changed the light to 12/12? I dont remeber you changing the lights, I thought you wanted to fill the screen. I have never given bloom nutes with them under 18 hours of light. If you havent I would be thinking about doing it pretty soon. there going to stretch out a litle when the light switches.

[t3hn00b137]

He is a week into the 12/12...

[maro69camaro]

:stoned: ty for clearing that up lol
He is a week into the 12/12...

[raizla]

No worries maro. ;)

So, for tonight's update, I did something drastic... possibly quite stupid. I like seeing things for my own eyes, so I made a decision, and I'll live with the results. All fan leaves coming from the main stem of Scarlet were removed tonight. Here are the pictures.

Before
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9268/dsc00424p.jpg

After
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/280/dsc00433t.jpg

See the cut marks on the stem
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5343/dsc00428pt.jpg

Goodbye pretty fan leaves!
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4447/dsc00427ad.jpg

Top of Scarlet after trim. Compare this picture to yesterday and you can see what she's missing.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9711/dsc00429n.jpg

The good thing about this is that all of the bud sites are now getting more light. The bad part is that I cut off a lot of energy making areas for the plant. Will it pay off? Go ahead and make your predictions now. I really have no idea.

[raizla]

So the Scarlet clone has bounced back (literally), and is only slightly worse for wear. It looks like she'll be fine after the lighting incident.

I'm starting to think that cutting off all those fan leaves was the right decision. On the other plants, the fan leaves are constantly on top of the bud sites, whereas on Scarlet, the bud sites all have plenty of light, and look to be thriving. Time (and yield) will tell. I've also noticed that under a couple leaves that were on top of one another, that there were drops of water. Apparently the leaves were keeping the evaporated water between one another... this is bad as it could cause mold.

From the side
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6640/dsc00434c.jpg

From the top
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1087/dsc00435f.jpg

[raizla]

Hey guys.

Noticed the bottom two leaves of the Camara clone had discoloration on them. Anyone know what this is? I'm noticing that the pots they're in aren't drying very fast, so I hope it's not mold related. That little room needs more ventilation and more light. I'm trying to decide what the best way to go about it is... maybe just a new set of lights is the best answer, and an S shaped air inlet to keep light from escaping.
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9131/dsc00439lp.jpg

The girls from the top
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5091/dsc00437o.jpg

and from the side
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8126/dsc00436h.jpg

I'm trying to think of ways I could have filled the screen better. Maybe allow the plants more stretch early on so the stems arent so thick that they snap? Possibly topping when they were younger so they have multiple tops to fill the screen?

[superskunk1]

Im loving this Scrog setup

Ladies look great.

[redtails]

Both of those things you mentioned help out with scrog, hopefully Finn will chime in more. He seems to have the delicate balance of stretch down pretty well :thumbsup:.

[bigtopsfinn]

Both of those things you mentioned help out with scrog, hopefully Finn will chime in more. He seems to have the delicate balance of stretch down pretty well :thumbsup:.

I'll put in my :twocents: :jointsmile:

Here's the 'guide' I used: http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-cabinet-growing/52326-lovely-ladies.html <<Topped and trained clones vegged for 8 weeks. Personally I haven't tried topping because I don't want to slow down my veg time, plus the Trainwreck is such a vine-y, scraggly growing plant that the branches are easy to put into good positions.

For next time, you can try starting with LST first, then put the screen on earlier and lower (as long as you have room to pull shoots back under and water your pots). Another thing I found helps is the twist ties. Kind of hard to explain, but I pull up the longer branches from the middle of the branch and tie it to the screen, so that the nodes at and above the tie point and are all pulled up against the screen. Might be hard to do at this point with your thick stems however.

If you need any help I'm usually around. Happy growing :jointsmile:

[raizla]

Nah, I totally get what you're saying finn (as only someone growing would). To get some of my bud spots up to the screen, I currently try to pull the leaves/fan leaves above the screen, and hope that the leaves will hold the bud spot above the screen. Sometimes, it works, sometimes it falls back through. Using twist ties would definitely work, although many of the branches would get covered up by the uppper fan leaves unless I trimmed off the fan leaves... do you do this? Mostly it's the main stem and it's fan leaves that are getting in the way.

On the clones I'm growing now, I'll try some LSTing... if I get a chance. The folks are flying out from the midwest in a couple months, and they'd probably croak if they knew I was growing.... so I may have to put the clones on hold.

[raizla]

Watered today. Decided to experiment a little more and added 1 tablespoon of Grandmas Unsulphered Blackstrap Molasses to each gallon of water (3 gallons total). It's only been 4 days since the last water. Last time I waited 6 days between watering.... and I wanted to wait 5 days this time. However, all of the pots were dry, and Camara was really dragging the ground, as you'll see in the pic.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1310/dsc00444l.jpg

I need to get a better camera to get you guys pictures of the buds as they come along. I don't feel like this old sony 5 mp with a small lense really does them justice.

[bigtopsfinn]

I don't cut my fan leaves. I try to keep everything below the screen until I see hairs, then I let it all grow up. In the meantime, I pull the fan leaves under the screen and under the canopy. Some try to poke back up, some don't. It a 2-3 week process for me. Once I'm 2 weeks into 12/12, I just let it all grow up.

One thing I forgot to mention, the 'problem' you're having with your main stem is because the longer one shoot is on the top, the thicker it'll grow. So it's kind of a balancing act to keep all the shoots a similar size throughout veg with topping and LST.

Anyways they look nice and healthy :thumbsup:

[raizla]

Yeah, today is Saturday, and there wasn't a post on Friday. I know how upset you all were. Well it wasn't my fault. Cannabis.com seems to be "busy" lots of times when I log in. It's pretty bad some days, and I just have to walk away for an hour, and then come back. I think after this grow is finished that I'll switch to another website for future grow logs. :(

Finn, again thanks for the advice. I'll try to limit the amount of time that the top is the top. This should help with my next grow.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3492/dsc00448m.jpg

Watson's main cola
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9472/dsc00450nc.jpg

Scarlet
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6029/dsc00452d.jpg

[raizla]

So, we're 2 weeks into flowering. Hopefully I'm as far along as I should be. What do you guys think?

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5075/dsc00455q.jpg

[Dutch Pimp]

looking pretty good...:thumbsup:...(I assume you can see the female sex hairs, now?)

I would just let them grow...no more bending, cropping or breaking...:D..let the bud sites form..

...if you have the height/space under control?

[t3hn00b137]

Those are looking awesome raiz! I can't wait to see what the buds look like. Good luck with company. That is never fun.

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

looking pretty good...:thumbsup:...(I assume you can see the female sex hairs, now?)

I would just let them grow...no more bending, cropping or breaking...:D..let the bud sites form..

...if you have the height/space under control?

Oh yeah, the bud sites (if you can call them that this early), all have nice white hairs coming out of them. Yeah, they've been growing without much training for about 4-5 days now. Up up and away.

[Podge_Boro]

Mate this is a seriously nice grow, just read the whole thing through. Without tryin to sound offensive this is my inspiration cos you make it seem quite easy but they look amazin. Once I move I'll be growin White widow thanks to this. Nice setup mate keep up the good work
lookin forward to seein the buds

[raizla]

Mate this is a seriously nice grow, just read the whole thing through. Without tryin to sound offensive this is my inspiration cos you make it seem quite easy but they look amazin. Once I move I'll be growin White widow thanks to this. Nice setup mate keep up the good work
lookin forward to seein the buds

Hey, that's awesome Podge! I've tried to break down what I do each day so that I can look back and the grow and relearn from my mistakes, and so that others who are new can follow what I'm doing. I think the only reason that I make it look easy, is because it really isn't that bad. If you can learn the signs of overwater and underwater, and you use a good soil, there isn't a whole lot to it. We're just growin weeds!
:D

[Gare0440]

those are filling in real nice man :thumbsup: right on

[raizla]

Well it's Sunday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

No watering, no nutes, nothin special today. Just checked on the girls for 5 minutes, took some pictures, and everything looks good.

Took some pics with the lights off today, just for a different look.
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9793/dsc00458lw.jpg

Scarlet
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4480/dsc00460w.jpg

Watson main stalk
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2966/dsc00461j.jpg

Clones
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7813/dsc00462f.jpg

[raizla]

Well it's Monday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

So, the girls got a full dose of nutrients today. That's 1 tablespoon of Grow Big and 2 teaspoons of Tiger Bloom in each gallon. They're drinking ~1 gallon per plant right now, so it makes things pretty easy with the 3 milk jugs.

In the past 3-4 waterings I haven't even bothered to check the pH, so I checked it today after adding nutes, and it's reading a bit low... around 6.0. I guess full strength nutrients drop the pH quite a bit, however I didn't alter the pH for the feeding. I want to see if it has any effect on the plant. I'm really not worried about ruining the grow. I just want to experiment and see what happens and learn. In 3-4 days if I see nute burn or pH problems, I'll know to scale back next time.

One other thing I'm noticing is that the bottom leaves of each plant are starting to die back. This makes sense, since they aren't getting much, if any, light down there. I just make sure to pick them up off the dirt or pluck them off if they're almost dead so that they dont lay in the soil and create a mold environment.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4471/dsc00463rr.jpg

Watson
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2527/dsc00465uz.jpg

Scarlet
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6577/dsc00466t.jpg

[Podge_Boro]

Hey, that's awesome Podge! I've tried to break down what I do each day so that I can look back and the grow and relearn from my mistakes, and so that others who are new can follow what I'm doing. I think the only reason that I make it look easy, is because it really isn't that bad. If you can learn the signs of overwater and underwater, and you use a good soil, there isn't a whole lot to it. We're just growin weeds!
:D

Yeh that's what I was sayin mate, you've broke it down so well yet gone into so much detail it seems simple. Amazin work mate they're lookin awesome :thumbsup:

[Dutch Pimp]

I did a little more research, and at 77 Degrees F which is about the average temperature in a grow room, the T8's perform their best, giving 100% light output. The T5 HO gives out 90% at that same temperature, because like you posted it's best operating temperautre is 95 Degrees F.


info from another site...I don't know if it's true or false..I'm inclined to believe it...but, who knows?

It's about lumens, output....not PAR. I would research it...but, I don't know what I am doing half the time....:stoned:

[t3hn00b137]

This looks sweet man... Those bud sites are looking good. The bottom fan leaves will start yellowing with the progression of the flowering process...


TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Yeah n00b, I usually take off about 2-3 dying leaves a day now from the bottom of the plants. *shrug*

Dutch, you're right. I've read in several places that the T5's output the best at a higher temperature, however, even outputting only at 90%, they're still putting out more lumens/watt than the T8's operating at 100%. Make sense?


So today I did some cutting on Scarlet again. I'm trying to keep her as trim and neat as possible so that all the bud sites get a lot of light. Bye bye fan leaves! Any idea what I should do with all of these? I think it's a bit too early to make anything out of them...
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/985/dsc00477z.jpg

The girls
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3279/dsc00478h.jpg

Hopefully you can finally see the trichomes starting to form on the back leaves.
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/775/dsc00469hd.jpg

...and I figure it's about time for a pepper update. Here's Cheyanne the Cayenne
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4815/dsc00471zu.jpg

[Dutch Pimp]

Dutch, you're right. I've read in several places that the T5's output the best at a higher temperature, however, even outputting only at 90%, they're still putting out more lumens/watt than the T8's operating at 100%. Make sense?


It's as clear as mud to me...:thumbsup:

My T5's was delivered 10 minutes ago....I love doing this shit...:rastabanna:

[raizla]

Well it's Wednesday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

Lol Dutch, just trust me man. T5's are better. :thumbsup:

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1585/dsc00480c.jpg

That's all for today boys and girls!

[raizla]

Here are the girls today. No water, no nutes. The trichomes are really starting to show up (at least when you view them with the naked eye). I suppose it's about time for me to get one of those 50x microscopes you guys are always talking about. Anyone have recommendations? Did someone mention something about a $50 USB one?

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7919/dsc00493v.jpg

I'm thinking this isn't bad for day 19 of flowering...
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5345/dsc00489ue.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/995/dsc00487d.jpg

[bigtopsfinn]

Looking nice for sure :thumbsup:

I wana get one of those EyeClops things. Takes 200x macros that you can upload to you pc. Amazon.com: EyeClops BioniCam: Toys & Games (http://www.amazon.com/Eyeclops-61081-EyeClops-BioniCam/dp/B00153C5KY) but a $12 pocket microscope from Radio Shack will work just as well :jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

looking fine, Riz!

[Ocotillo]

Yes, those babies are looking great!

I just compared pix with my 400W HPS at about the same time and they both look very close in blooms progress. Those T-5's were strong in veg and show no shortcomings into flower. Great job. :thumbsup: Go speed racer go!!! :dance:

I've been hanging my big T-12 tubes on an angle with shortest plants on one side and tallest on the other. Then I adjust the height tilted evenly across the tops of the plants. Even with the plants, not the floor, in other words. Am I saying that clearly? :wtf:

If bending the tops, do you try to "pinch" them before bending? If, after watering, you give the stem a hard squeeze you'll feel the fibers crunch and they will bend nicely like a kinked garden hose. Don't keep bending it, let it be and it'll heal, bend and all. There I go rambling again, I'm sure you have it under control. Very well done and keep up the great work. :D

[raizla]

Thanks Shovelhandle, you almost spelled my name right!:thumbsup:

I think I understand what you're saying Oc. Keep the lights even with the tops of the plants, even if some of the plants are shorter than others.
I haven't tried bending over the tops by pinching them first. Its a bit late now, but definitely something I should do during the next veg. Id be afraid to mess up the buds at this point.

[raizla]

The girls were definitely thirsty tonight. I needed to water yesterday, but I didn't. Camara (the first plant) always shows the signs of wilting first... as you can tell by the pictures. So, tonight the girls each got a gallon of water with 1 tablespoon of molasses in each. They should be happy by tomorrow morning.

Camara/Watson/Scarlet
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9531/dsc00495k.jpg

The clones need to be moved. They're getting too big too fast... Tomorrow I need to figure something out!

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1988/dsc00498wt.jpg

[Shovelhandle]

I use the T-5HO 54 Watt four lamp for side lighting to suppliment the MH in veg and HPS in bloom. I use the T5 blue 6500K spectrum for veg and swap to the warm white for the first half of bloom. Now I'm at week nine of bloom and I've been using the blue again (hps and T5 side lights). I read that this helps increase trichome developement. We will see...

I've had a couple of complete grows using T-5 and they actually worked out very well. Looks like you're on your way to a beautiful harvest with your set-up. Good luck on the final product.

Sho

[raizla]

I use the T-5HO 54 Watt four lamp for side lighting to suppliment the MH in veg and HPS in bloom. I use the T5 blue 6500K spectrum for veg and swap to the warm white for the first half of bloom. Now I'm at week nine of bloom and I've been using the blue again (hps and T5 side lights). I read that this helps increase trichome developement. We will see...

Shov, can you provide a link to where you read switching back to blue lighting helps with trichome development? I haven't read this anywhere. It seems possible that when using an HPS light with a T5 light, the addition of blue lighting could add to your final product, however I'm not sure it would help when using only T5 lighting (and no HPS lights). I can't help being a bit of a skeptic by nature... it's part of my job in real life.

[raizla]

Geez, has it been 57 days already? I swear I just started this log a couple weeks ago.....

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9167/dsc00505f.jpg

The buds really keep growing and growing on all of the main stalks. I think eventually they'll just cover the stem completely for a few inches.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8441/dsc00499ox.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7856/dsc00500f.jpg

[Podge_Boro]

They're lookin unreal mate, I'm so jealous I think I'm gonna have to stop lookin at this thread. But I can't stop

keep it up, I can't wait to see the end result

[raizla]

Well it's Sunday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

They're still growing.... and growing....
I think I might have to take action soon. Watson and Camara are smothering one another as well as their own secondary buds (the ones not on the main cola). Take a look at the pics from the last couple days and tell me what you think. So far, Scarlet (the one on the right) is the only one I've taken the knife to.

Camara/Watson/Scarlet
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2037/dsc00506wp.jpg

One thing that I'm really loving right now, is the smell. Holy crap does it smell good in there. I don't know if it's the phenotypes I'm growing, the addition of molasses to the water, or a combination of other things, but these plants smell great! Especially Scarlet. She smells pretty much exactly like grape kool-aid. Sugary, sweet, and lightly grapey. I came downstairs after touching one of the buds yesterday and asked my girlfriend to smell my fingers. She went, "Mmmmm!" and rubbed my fingers on her neck like she was putting on perfume.

Now, my girlfriend doesn't smoke. She doesn't even like the smell of marijuana, but she loves this stuff. I can only pray that the final product smells this good. I could probably take cuttings and sell them as a new strain... "Grape Kool-Aid by Raiz." LoL!

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8278/dsc00507il.jpg

[raizla]

Just as I suspected, the main cola of Watson is turning into a single large bud.
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3199/dsc00521n.jpg

A couple side bud pics
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/557/dsc00526t.jpg

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2681/dsc00527p.jpg

All together now
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5040/dsc00516sf.jpg

So I think I'm going to have to trim the fan leaves off of Camara and Watson. Is there anything I can do besides trash them? Do they have any resin/THC on them that would be worth trying to make hash out of?

[raizla]

Don't have much time today. I should water but really... no time. Took a picture without the flash today for something different.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/852/dsc00528hd.jpg

[Podge_Boro]

The top of wTson is lookin sweet mate :thumbsup:

[raizla]

So the server was too busy again lastnight when I tried to post. This is so annoying. Here is what I would have posted....

The girls got full strength nutes again today with their water. It's funny, I didn't trim Camara or Watson, but they're really trimming themselves. All the leaves that don't get much light end up dying off on their own.

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5577/dsc00529ge.jpg

Here is a picture of my sad cloning situation. *sigh* The stretched, overgrown plants are my own doing. I've just been too lazy/busy to do anything about it.
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6238/dsc00531yb.jpg

[Dutch Pimp]

the server always crashes at 12 midnite CDT...for about an hour..been doing that for a year, now...:wtf:
...ever since the Great Crash of January of '09

three minutes left...see you on the other side...:stoned:

[raizla]

Really Dutch? I swear sometimes it's down for longer than that..... :mad:

Anyways, it always seems to be during my prime posting hours that it's down. After this grow I'll probably move on to another message board.

62 and 26, interesting day....

Here they are. I was going to post earlier... but the server died as usual. Annoying......
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9254/dsc00537hc.jpg

[raizla]

Well it's Friday, and you know what that means. Picture day! What? You thought I'd take the day off cuz it's Friday? Pshhhh!

The growth really seems to have slowed down vertically. Is that what it does at this stage?

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3883/dsc00544a.jpg

So, anyone know the rule on posting topless pictures? I had my girlfriend lift up her shirt in front of the plants just for fun. Her boobs are small, but if you guys are like me, I like seeing any boobs! :D

[KillerBudG]

I think you will be safe posting it as long as you have something green in the picture and she has a handful:thumbsup::jointsmile:.

im down for some jugs in the picture witt the ladies lol.

Plants looking great tho, keep it up buddy, I yould have did a little bit more bending but to each his own.:hippy:
~one~:rastasmoke:
~Budg~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[raizla]

Saturdayyyyyyyy.....

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2519/dsc00545rb.jpg

[raizla]

I haven't posted any bud porn in a while so here's an update.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7862/dsc00568f.jpg

Scarlet
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/6822/dsc00566y.jpg

Scarlet Closer
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5995/dsc00560f.jpg

Watson Main
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4994/dsc00559sg.jpg

Things are going well.

[Podge_Boro]

Things are goin excellent my friend. The cola on Watson is lookin beautiful

[raizla]

Things are goin excellent my friend. The cola on Watson is lookin beautiful

This might sound surprising but I think Scarlet, the plant on the right, might give Watson a run for her money. The colas are smaller, but there are a lot of them.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7964/dsc00569hp.jpg

A couple notes...

I watered yesterday. 1 tablespoon molasses/gallon. 3 gallons used total, and I drained out the runoff (to feed the pepper).

The white hairs are starting to turn orange.

Is it possible that the fan blowing on the leaves could dry them out too much? Could it dry out the trichomes???

[Shovelhandle]

Is it possible that the fan blowing on the leaves could dry them out too much? Could it dry out the trichomes???

I don't believe so. Some older pistils will dry up and new pistils will grow and bulk up them buds nicely.

[Gare0440]

comming together real nice my friend. that t5 and your scrog is working magic. your trichomes just keep stackin up on your buds its beautiful!:rastasmoke::thumbsup:

[raizla]

today.
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7808/dsc00571h.jpg

[t3hn00b137]

Today there is nothing... What's up with that?|

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

:jointsmile: Seriously n00b.... have I missed a day yet? You gotta realize I work a full time job, work out, spend time with my girlfriend etc etc. Oh, and this is the west coast. The only couple times I've missed a day is when these damn servers go down. :D ...and even then, I still post the pictures from the previous day.

There isn't really much to say today though. The girls smell wonderful. They're growing happily. I've still been too lazy to get better lights and ventilation for the clones, and yet they're thriving. Life is good.

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/5269/dsc00572es.jpg

I should mention that I squeezed some of the buds yesterday to see how thick they are under all those white hairs. I've read all the horror stories about how fluo's make light buds. To my surprise they felt pretty thick. Since I've got about 4 weeks left for them to fatten up, I think I should have a pretty good yield.
Another note... the white hairs are turning brown at a faster rate. Is that any sign that the buds may be getting closer to maturity?

[t3hn00b137]

That is a sign that they are reaching maturity, but it is not an indication of when to harvest.

Do you have a 30x-100x magnifier? When I harvested my trichomes were roughly 5%amber 40% foggy and the rest were clear. So I have a real head high with a little buzz.

What do yours look like so far? jw

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

I got one of those pocket magnifiers that goes 60-100x zoom. Hell, it's hard to see anything that close. A 30x probably would have been better. So, at this point, it's hard to tell. I have a picture that is actually pretty close up though, so maybe you can help me.

All Three
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9697/dsc00574l.jpg

Scarlet (on the right) is really showing off with the trichomes at this point.
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7959/dsc00576ag.jpg

Watson's Main (more hairy)
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9537/dsc00583j.jpg

Camara's Main is catching up
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6217/dsc00588a.jpg

...and a closeup of the trichomes (best I could do)
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6585/dsc00589c.jpg

[raizla]

Guys I have more news for today. Watson ain't happy. On her main fan leaves coming off of the stalk, I saw this...
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6724/dsc00580v.jpg

and this...
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6433/dsc00582rs.jpg


What is it!!!??? The leaves on Watson are lighter green than the other two plants. Camara and Scarlet look great. The worst leaves are turning slightly black, with tiny brown spots. Any idea what's causing it? All three plants get the same food and water...

[TruePyroman]

your plants are maturing mang! the fan leaves are turning colors just like other leaves in the fall, or this could mean that the plant has used up all the nutrients in the soil and could use some feeding.

[canniwhatsis]

The color change is the plant maturing. The little brown spots almost look like mite bites,... but I'm by no means an expert :o

[raizla]

I dunno guys, it seems too early for the discoloration. Also, how do you explain that this plant is showing the discoloration and spots while the other two look perfectly fine? Also, I just gave them a Fox Farm full nutrient dose yesterday....

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8474/dsc00595n.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/866/dsc00596n.jpg

:mad:

[raizla]

I think I forgot to mention that I watered yesterday will full Fox Farm Nutes. This time they got all three. Grow Big, Big Bloom, and Tiger Bloom just as the feeding schedule says.
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4086/dsc00592ak.jpg


Here are the poor neglected clones. Bleh! It seems like the Scarlet clone got a lot of lower growth after I topped her.
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3230/dsc00593i.jpg

[ForgetClassC]

Wow, those ladies are looking amazing. Good job on those.

-C

[t3hn00b137]

Seeing as you just introduced all of your nutes it just be that the ladies are having a little bit of nute burn. You could try flushing and see if that helps at all or just use less of a dose next feed. I may be completely off, but that is all I can think of...


TehNooblet:pimp:

[Shovelhandle]

maybe just a little spashed nutes? Looking fantastic though. :)

[Unknownfigure]

That doesn't look too bad at all. Try to back off the nutes just a tad perhaps, and see if it goes away if you're really upset by it. Otherwise, it looks within the rather acceptable range and shouldn't do much harm. :)

Amazing girls!

[raizla]

Thanks for the kind words guys. I'm still worried though. The leaf problem looks even worse today. Sigh...
The leaf damage is on the top leaves, so no chance of nute splashing. Maybe I'll try just feeding with water on Watson for the next couple feedings.
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2741/dsc00597d.jpg

[XGR33NthumbX]

hey raizla, what do you fink of taking them fan leavs off one of ur girls? would you do it again? or not,
your laddiess looking "very nicee"
gr8 growing, i like the names :)
also how long untill harvest? 3weeks?
:thumbsup:

[KenWood]

This was done just with T5 3000k? Damn it looks good! I just stuck a panel in my little room 3000k and 3500k T5's.

[raizla]

XGR33NthumbX - I still don't know... Taking off the fan leaves didn't seem to have any harmful effect upon the plant at all. What I'm going to compare however, is the yeild of the plant. As far as harvest goes, it's hard to tell. Sometimes White Widow takes up to 12 weeks, so I'll just have to wait until the trichomes tell me it's time.

KenWood, yes, it was all done with a 6 bulb, 4 foot T5 light. In veg I was using 6 6500k bulbs. In flowering I'm using 4 3000k bulbs and 2 6500k bulbs.

On to today's picture.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9648/dsc00599q.jpg

[XGR33NthumbX]

oh right, thanks for the reply, ill catch up with you nere to your finish, or when you've found out how much yield u get from that1.

gr8 growing, what you growing next???

:thumbsup::jointsmile::hippy:

[KenWood]

more ??
Are they really tight, do you think they will loosen up after dry?
Thanks
KenWood

[t3hn00b137]

I was thinking about it and the browning on your leaves is probably just normal for this point in flowering. Where are the browning leaves? Top, bottom, all over, etc...

Other than that those ladies look amazing man! I can't wait to see my snow whites in flower!

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

XGR33NthumbX - After this grow I'll probably be growing White Widow. :D ...especially since I've already started the clones!

KenWood - the buds feel pretty solid, but I don't know what'll happen after drying. This is my first grow.

t3hn00b137 - maybe it's normal for Watson to turn colors at this point, but not the other two? Who knows... with three seeds you're going to get 3 different sets of genes. Oh, and the leaf discoloration is on the 3-4 sets of fan leaves coming off of Watson's main cola.

I'm really noticing that the growth has slowed down on all three girls. Heck, if I harvested now I'd be completely happy though, so any additional weight they put on is just a bonus!

Today.
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3198/dsc00600h.jpg

Btw, if you guys have any requests for pictures or anything you'd like to see, just let me know!

[Hijynx]

Looks good great pics and read. your camera is very clear
I guess its just me being paranoid but on the 24th I dont think I would have posted my fingerprints so clearly in the photo. lol just too much identification for me

[canniwhatsis]

I'm wondering about White widow in SCROG,... you have 2 colas that are just reaching for the sky, which is good for them,... but with the T5 lighting isn't that bad for the rest of the screen?:confused:

[raizla]

Looks good great pics and read. your camera is very clear
I guess its just me being paranoid but on the 24th I dont think I would have posted my fingerprints so clearly in the photo. lol just too much identification for me

I'm legal to grow, so I'm not really worried. It would just end up being a complete waste of time for some cop to try and trace me to my fingerprints and then be sent home crying after all his hard work when I showed him my recommendation.



I'm wondering about White widow in SCROG,... you have 2 colas that are just reaching for the sky, which is good for them,... but with the T5 lighting isn't that bad for the rest of the screen?:confused:

Yeah man, it is bad for the rest of the screen. Somewhere at the end of vegging I learned a very important lesson.... don't let the top of your plant thicken up too much or it'll break off when you try to bend it. I had the choice to break off the main colas, or let them grow because I waited too long to bend them over and they got thiiiick. So I decided to let em grow.

[TruePyroman]

take care of those clones! You'll be glad you did.

[SmurfyBH]

I love reading this thread and gave me great inspiration to grow.

[raizla]

take care of those clones! You'll be glad you did.

I know, I know. *sigh* I have no time or energy lately... so much going on in my life.


I love reading this thread and gave me great inspiration to grow.

That makes me glad. I look forward to following your grow log. :)

Tonight I looked at the girls under the 60x magnifier, and I saw something strange. There are groups of trichomes that look amber on Scarlet. While the majority are still clear, with a few milky, it's strange to see a couple groups of amber trichs. Does anyone know why this might be?

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3083/dsc00601f.jpg

Here are the spots on Watson's main cola fan leaves. Not getting any better. I watered all three with only water today to hopefully flush a little bit of whatever is causing the problem out of the soil.
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/3401/dsc00604du.jpg

..and finally, a pic of Camara
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1300/dsc00607u.jpg

[Podge_Boro]

That last pic is pure porn. Nice work.

Good luck sortin out the spotted leaves, I hope you find a solution

[Vancefish]

Looks great raizla. :thumbsup:

I did one LST one topped and one Natural on my first grow. Issue I'm having is the bud weight pulling the branches down. So I tied them to a hook in the ceiling. Then they just fell to the sides.

My point is, I grew two clones from the disp. One is G13xAfgani, the other is Durban poison. They are both WAY bigger then my first plants(currently finishing), and both are LST'd. I'm thinking your SCRog method looks great. I'll guts HAVE to re-create that here.:thumbsup:

[0ldtimer]

You're right on point, bubb. Your girls will pull their (n) reserves from the foliage. And she'll become more sugar coated as time passes. Don't be alarmed of yellowing during flower, this is the girl's natural transition for furthering the potential progeny/flowers before winter. But remain weary about nutes vs lighting. Nute directions are typically for 1k HID or sun in the labs w/ the R&D notes.

Edit: BTW I really like both spectrum's with the WW. Harvested at clear:cloudy 75:25 and all amber. She's has a screeching creeper high at mostly clear, and a really, really, good body effect while 90% amber.

[raizla]

That last pic is pure porn. Nice work.

Good luck sortin out the spotted leaves, I hope you find a solution

Thanks man. *shrug* I still dunno what I'm going to do... probably cut out the nutes for another week or two, just use water, and see if if things improve.


Looks great raizla. :thumbsup:

I did one LST one topped and one Natural on my first grow. Issue I'm having is the bud weight pulling the branches down. So I tied them to a hook in the ceiling. Then they just fell to the sides.

My point is, I grew two clones from the disp. One is G13xAfgani, the other is Durban poison. They are both WAY bigger then my first plants(currently finishing), and both are LST'd. I'm thinking your SCRog method looks great. I'll guts HAVE to re-create that here.:thumbsup:

LoL, I can just imagine them all tied to the ceiling and then falling over... sad, but kinda funny. The SCROG worked decently well even though Camara and Watson still took off. If nothing else, it gives all the buds a support structure.


You're right on point, bubb. Your girls will pull their (n) reserves from the foliage. And she'll become more sugar coated as time passes. Don't be alarmed of yellowing during flower, this is the girl's natural transition for furthering the potential progeny/flowers before winter. But remain weary about nutes vs lighting. Nute directions are typically for 1k HID or sun in the labs w/ the R&D notes.

Edit: BTW I really like both spectrum's with the WW. Harvested at clear:cloudy 75:25 and all amber. She's has a screeching creeper high at mostly clear, and a really, really, good body effect while 90% amber.

I'm not sure we can get much more sugar coating. They're already completely white.
The thing that bothers me about the yellowing leaves is that it feels a bit early, and only 1 of the 3 plants is doing it. The other two are nice and dark green.
Good info about the two ways to harvest.:thumbsup: I plan to take buds at least 2 different times and compare the high.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8819/dsc00608vz.jpg

[raizla]

Well it's Thursday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5690/dsc00609n.jpg

[KillerBudG]

Your plants really have come along since i last dropped in your log.:thumbsup:

Keep it up, Looks like you will be enjoying some killer smoke,


~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[StickyBuds1987]

hey man they look really good :thumbsup::thumbsup: do tha stickers help on tha pots haha but foreal man a couple more weeks or maybe sooner :jointsmile:

[t3hn00b137]

They are lookin good raiz. You find out or fix what was wrong with your plants yet?

TehNooblet:pimp:

[Vancefish]

Here is a pic of my emergency tie UP! This is a couple weeks ago.

Definitely need to scrog the next two!:D

[raizla]

Your plants really have come along since i last dropped in your log.:thumbsup:

Keep it up, Looks like you will be enjoying some killer smoke,

I hope so, and thanks.


hey man they look really good :thumbsup::thumbsup: do tha stickers help on tha pots haha but foreal man a couple more weeks or maybe sooner :jointsmile:

Don't you know about pot stickers? It's an ancient Chinese recipe!


They are lookin good raiz. You find out or fix what was wrong with your plants yet?

Hell if I know. They don't really seem to be getting worse, but it's not like the brown spots suddenly went away. We're still in limbo.


Here is a pic of my emergency tie UP! This is a couple weeks ago.

Definitely need to scrog the next two!:D

Yeah, I saw those on your thread. Made ma laugh, but I love the ingenuity.

I couldn't post lastnight, as the server was down again, but here is the pic.
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2382/dsc00618kx.jpg

[t3hn00b137]

Those ladies are friggin amazing. I can only imagine how it smells...

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Actually that's something that I've been meaning to mention n00b. The smell is really strong when I lift up the plastic curtain. Thank god I installed the ceiling fan sucking all that odor out, or my whole house would smell. Also, it's a good thing I love the smell.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/92/dsc00619q.jpg

[StickyBuds1987]

lol oh its an ancient chinese recipe they made guitar hero stickers back then damn china makes everything lol by tha looks of those buds i need to try this lol

[t3hn00b137]

They look good, but we haven't seen much of the clones lately. What is going to happen with the little ones?


TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Sticky, go do a google search on "pot stickers" and you'll see what I'm talking about. :D

n00b, I'll try to get some pics of the clones for my next update.

So, if I can do math, we're 1 day into week 6 of flowering... Here are the pictures.
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8485/dsc00641yp.jpg

I tried to get each plant with a lighter so you can judge bud size.
Camara first
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3236/dsc00642l.jpg

Watson
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/3889/dsc00643ob.jpg

Scarlet
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7716/dsc00644bl.jpg

And finally, a pepper update. These guys are FINALLY starting to turn colors!
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4017/dsc00645vo.jpg

[mangodulce]

Looking good Raiz! I have been checking in on this every couple of days the last few months and it has been a treat to see all the progress. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are 43 days into flowering isn't that 6 weeks and 1 day, so you are 1 day into week seven? (7 full weeks would be 49 days)

[canniwhatsis]

LOL! LOVE the Peppers! :thumbsup:

[raizla]

Looking good Raiz! I have been checking in on this every couple of days the last few months and it has been a treat to see all the progress. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are 43 days into flowering isn't that 6 weeks and 1 day, so you are 1 day into week seven? (7 full weeks would be 49 days)

:S2: That has got to be the nicest way of correcting someone I have ever seen. I thank your parents for teaching you amazing courtesy!



LOL! LOVE the Peppers! :thumbsup:

Thank you, thank you!


By God the smell is strong up there today...
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3313/dsc00646i.jpg

Clones anyone? I topped the two on the left (again) because they were getting too big for their britches.
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3319/dsc00647lz.jpg

[canniwhatsis]

Wow,... so your only 7 weeks into a 9 week flower (As I understand common for WW)

My wife about started drooling at the pics of the buds next to the lighter!



Whatcha gonna do with the peppers!?? ;)

[raizla]

If I get time, I'll post some bud porn tomorrow and try to show off the trichomes. The peppers are for eating! My girlfriend likes to cook so I'm sure she'll find some recipes to put them in... some stir fry or maybe a Mexican dish.

[canniwhatsis]

The peppers are for eating! My girlfriend likes to cook so I'm sure she'll find some recipes to put them in... some stir fry or maybe a Mexican dish.

Nice!


I'm so wanting to grow some veggies in my room! :hippy: (Currently veg light cycle 16.5/4.5) kinda thinking tomato's and jalapeno's ;)


(FYI, I don't smoke, used to tho, and am now growing for my wife who could (and has) killed MANY house plants! :o )

[t3hn00b137]

Nice!

(growing for my wife who could (and has) killed MANY house plants! :o )
HAHA I am doing the same thing. My wife couldn't keep a plant alive if her life depended on it.
The plants are looking amazing Raiz.

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Good to know you guys are such caring mates. :hippy:

It's actually pretty funny, because the pepper is my girlfriend's. She watered it once I think..... once.

Canna, how is it that your day only has 21 hours in it? :wtf:

Anyways, I think I promised some more bud porn... so here are a few pictures just for fun! We are about 2 weeks away from harvest.

The manditory daily pic:
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6503/dsc00648s.jpg

Random bud with flash on
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/1790/dsc00668gv.jpg

Random bud with flash off
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3757/dsc00666vg.jpg

Scarlet
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4094/dsc00662u.jpg

Camara
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3968/dsc00671v.jpg

Watson
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6545/dsc00651z.jpg

One more of a random bud up close.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/38/dsc00669al.jpg

[0ldtimer]

chronic

[canniwhatsis]

Canna, how is it that your day only has 21 hours in it? :wtf:

:o Stupid 10key typo :o 16.5/7.5 is what I meant to type. ;)




Freakin awesome bud porn!:hippy:

[t3hn00b137]

A little more warning next time raiz. I needed a bigger box of tissue and a LOT more lotion!

Those ladies are hella fine! They have curves like I have never seen before!

TehNooblet:pimp: