Raiz' First Grow Log - 3 White Widow Seeds from Nirvana

[raizla]

Well it's Wednesday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

I'm going to have to miss up to 3 days of the log. I'm leaving town for a Bachelor party.... so Friday, Saturday, and possibly Sunday, don't expect any pics. :(

Oh also, I had to move the clones into the flowering area because my little 8W T5 light died on me. I don't want the clones to go into veg, so I need to get a new light tomorrow.

Daily manditory pic:
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/373/dsc00672q.jpg

[pinky27]

very nice job man the work you put in will definately show when its harvest time.

[raizla]

very nice job man the work you put in will definately show when its harvest time.

Thanks! Posting a picture every day has been pretty difficult. I'm bummed that I won't get to see my girls for the next 3 days as I'll be out of town. Oh well, I'm sure they'll be fine.
Tonight I watered with normal tap water, pHed to 6.7 ish.

I also got some new lighting for my clone area. I'll have to wait till I get back to show it off though...
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1186/dsc00677sq.jpg

[StickyBuds1987]

hey man they are beautiful um i might be going indoors next year an id love to get the same lights ya got cna ya tell me where ya got them and abotu how much they cost if ya dont mind thanx :thumbsup::thumbsup::jointsmile:

[raizla]

The lamp is a Sun Blaze, 6 bulb, T5, 4 foot, high-output fixture. Each light 54watt and is rated at 5000 lumens which brings the total to 30,000 lumens and 324 watts when you combine all 6. The bulb color is 6500k (for veg), and 3000k (for flowering). I got it for $183 at my local hydro store. The price was $230 for what looked like the exact same lamp at two other hydro stores. This guy has a bigger inventory and is trying to undercut everyone. If you're near LAX I can give you the name of the store.

So, I'm back from my buddy's bachelor party. Here is the updated daily picture.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9688/dsc00679x.jpg

[raizla]

Not a lot of change lately. Camara's main bud is getting fatter, and lots of the inner fan leaves that used to be huge are slowing dying.

Here they are today.
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3997/dsc00680n.jpg

[canniwhatsis]

:cool: How do the tric's look?


I can only hope my girl looks that good when she's starting to show signs of the harvest window.:rastasmoke:

[raizla]

Today I watered with nutrients. I fear this will be the girls' last meal. From now on they're on a water diet, with possibly a little molasses.... and a slow, painful death. :(

So sad to have nurtured them for so long, only to watch them wither away.


As for the trichomes, they look amazing. If you look on page 10, I think I have some pretty awesome trich pics. I'll post more in a day or two when I've got time.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1336/dsc00681p.jpg

[t3hn00b137]

It is quite sad to see the ladies burn at the stake(bong w/e!), but once the buzz kicks in you will forget all about it! No really... You WILL forget!

Looking great man.

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Thanks n00b. It's hard to believe that my first grow is coming to an end. I guess if it has to end, then at least the grow went well.

All three plants are starting to show signs of the leaves dying back. Scarlet has the most amber trichomes... probably about 7%. On the others, it's hard to find a single amber trich. I think I'll wait until harvest time to have a final photo shoot. Camara is still adding weight into her main cola. It's getting fairly fat. There are always a few leaves lying down in the dirt or on the closet floor when I go in there each night. The smell is very strong. I have the closet venting into the attic. The house smells fine unless I turn the heat on, and then the whole house smells like weed instantly.

I'm hoping that the effect is fairly heady and motivating when I finally do get a smoke. I tried some from the dispensary this weekend, and spent a good hour just cleaning the house. It was quite nice!

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/827/dsc00682a.jpg


Camara
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8021/dsc00684bd.jpg

[t3hn00b137]

They look awesome. How are the cloudy trichs looking? They are going to give you the most head buzz, but I am sure you knew that. :D

Seeing your ladies like this makes me want to put the snow whites into flowering. lol

Did you wait until you saw sexual maturity before you flowered or did you just kinda do it when the time was right? I could probably look for it in your log, but I am kinda lazy right now... :D

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

It's hard to tell really. With a magnifying glass, many of them look pretty cloudy, with only a few amber. When I use that 60x microscope, everything just looks huge and it's hard to tell...

n00b, I didn't wait for the preflowers. I didn't have the room. I just flowered when I thought the time was right.

I'm going to have to get some new picture ideas. It's beginning to look like I'm posting the same picture everyday. The reason I do it is because I was to make a "flip book" at the end of the grow so that people can see the grow from start to finish.

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/5852/dsc00691yb.jpg

[canniwhatsis]

I actually really like the "Flip Book" Idea! :thumbsup: It shows off the progress as the buds stretch and fatten up rather nicely! :jointsmile:


I hear your complaint about the 60x microscope, (I picked up a 60-100x today) everything looks HUGE and pretty much the same in the field of view. (the 100x is nice for getting details tho! ;) ( If you can keep your hand that steady! :eek: ))

That's probably the reason for the 30x magnification recommendation in the "Bible"

[t3hn00b137]

I usually just cut a tiny amount of bud off, set it on the counter and look at it then because I had the same problem with my 60x-100x...

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Not a bad idea n00b. Heck, if I cut off enough, I could dry it and have an early smoke.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/138/dsc00692np.jpg

[raizla]

Not much time today. Going to see Ironman 2!

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/218/dsc00693ww.jpg

[t3hn00b137]

Looking good man. If you snip some off and try it I bet you are going to be surprised... When is harvest?

TehNooblet:pimp:

[raizla]

Surprised how n00b? I still don't know when harvest is. I can see the trichomes well enough to see that a lot of them are still clear, so harvest is still a ways off. The plant will tell me.

I figured it's time for a few pictures of what's going on with everything. Lets start with a family photo.
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9950/dsc00694aj.jpg

Next, we'll do Camara and her clone:
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/7268/dsc00695r.jpg

Watson and her clone:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9559/dsc00696bs.jpg

and Scarlet and her clone:
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1264/dsc00697ov.jpg


Next, a picture of the clones themselves. These clones have been abused. The old 8W light fell on them at least twice. They go for up to a week and a half without water sometimes. They've been topped twice because there isn't much room for them to grow in the small "room" I've created. They've never had nutrients. Right now the light for the "room" is on the floor next to them, so the only light they're getting is bouncing off of the top of the enclosure and back down to them. These girls are surviving in spite of me, not because of me.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9854/dsc00699af.jpg

Now I wanted to show some of what the fan leaves are doing on the girls. For any noobs out there who haven't gotten this far along in their grow, here is what you'll see when you're getting closer to harvest. The plant is slowly sucking the nutrients out of the big fan leaves.
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5682/dsc00710rr.jpg

another...
http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3170/dsc00711c.jpg


Finally, a pepper update. Cheyenne the cayenne pepper has already had 3 peppers stolen from her, but she keeps putting them out!
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5889/dsc00698p.jpg

Oh, and I thought Ironman 2 was pretty awesome! :D

[raizla]

Well it's Monday, and you know what that means. Picture day!

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/5906/dsc00712x.jpg

It seemed a little pointless to compare the big buds to a lighter since they've grown a bit, so for a size comparison I'm using a beer.
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5162/dsc00713gw.jpg

another
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5818/dsc00715uf.jpg
Does anyone notice the color and shape difference between Watson and Camara buds. To me, there is a pretty noticeable difference.

And a couple closeups
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6483/dsc00718m.jpg

closeup 2
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5025/dsc00720mo.jpg

[canniwhatsis]

Just WOW!!!!! :thumbsup:


I need to Email that "Bud lite" Pic to one of my buddy's,... you don't mind do ya? I can just click and drag the image to my desktop then attach to and Email, not gonna source where I got it ;)

[raizla]

Go ahead man, it's fine. :thumbsup:

[Bushka]

Great work. I signed up to thank you for posting this log, i got the impression you were getting pretty pissed with the site being tempramental and didn't wanna read and run as it were. :abduct:

Very interesting read, i am looking forward to the havest and seeing how much product you yield.

Thanks for posting

[Shovelhandle]

Great photos, Bub! :jointsmile:

[raizla]

Today is not a good day. I'm pretty sure Watson turned hermie on me. Bastard. I give you nothing but love for 95 days, and this is how you repay me!!!!!

Hey guys with lots of grows under your belt, I could use your help here. Please help me verify that this is what a hermie looks like, and then tell me what to do. Should I remove the hermie, and let the other two mature for the last week or two, or should I just cut em all down, or what?????

Manditory Pic
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3686/dsc00722a.jpg

Hermie pics
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/7908/dsc00725h.jpg

2
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2402/dsc00728o.jpg

[canniwhatsis]

As I understand it,... carefully pull the "naners" off, then comb the rest of the plant carefully, for more,.... and if at all possible (probably not in a ScRog) Isolate the suspect plant.


Shit man this sux if the worst case is really happening! :(


I gotta defer to the Pros tho,... I'm FAR more a No0b at this stuff than you.

[KillerBudG]

Well you got few options, Pull off the nenners an watch the plant closely for new nanners to appear. Expect a few seed if you leave it the hermie with the rest of your plant.

Cut the hermie,dry,cur, Enjoy while your other 2 plants finish. This way your other 2 ladies should be safe from seeds hopefully.

Some nanners are sterile but don't rely on that.

Imo I would cut the hermie, No point in having all plants end up seeded as to have 2 mature with 1 cut a little bit early, and you still save the one from seeding.:thumbsup:

~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[Dutch Pimp]

I'm not an expert on this...but, I'd say it's too late for any harm, seed pollination. Gotta expect this, with fem seeds...:cool:

pick the nanners off...harvest, when trich ready...IMO

My first grow...I harvested one third of the plants 'early'..one third 'prime time'..the last third...'late'...this told me what I liked best ...for the next grow...:thumbsup:...I like a little variety

[raizla]

Thank you guys for all the replies. This really does suck, but I guesss it isn't the end of the world. The options you've laid out are pretty much what I was expecting with the exception of Dutch's idea of doing nothing. Since we're only a week or so from harvest, I could probably just wait it out. I'll decide what to do tonight, but I don't know if I'll have time to do any cutting before this weekend.

[keenan7899]

think even if they got pollenated with real pollen at this point nothing would get done. I mean, everything is already mature, and it's a week away. Keep em I'd say, don't stress it in the last week.

[THContent]

I signed up because I read your log, and I ordered my seeds from Nirvana, and got a whole setup for a closet coming in soon, I did all my research and am confident in my ability to do this all correctly while noticing possible signs and all the possibilities that could go wrong.

I will start off by saying you are an inspiration to all the growers out there for putting so much time and dedication in to this. It definitely shows and I can almost guarantee it will pay off nonetheless, I noticed though yesterday I believe the post was, you noticed your plant turning hermie... well lesson be told, that can be cause by stress, trimming leaves, etc, which leads me to also believe that those browning spots you were seeing was the plants way of telling you that something isint right, my best guess would be to next time go a little less on the nutrients, and hold off or do a little less trimming in the future, I know there is no concrete way to know but from the signs and reading everything here that you've posted, it seems those may be the likely suspects as to why it is turning hermie. You cared well for those plants, and it definitely shows. I myself also will be growing WW, using a 600W HPS lamp setup, hydrometer to measure humidity and temp, and also a ph soil tester to stay within 6.2-6.7 ph range. As used by the pros will be using FF organic soil mix with some extra perlite.

Your log will be a great deal of help to me, that way I know to go easy on trimming and nutes, and progressively trim and add more nutes in small doses. I would like to say thanks on behalf of everyone on here, I will also be making a log for myself and will post daily as you did. Also using Panda film for the walls ceiling and floor, along with a fan for ventilation.

Again and I think I speak for everyone, thank you for this.

[THContent]

IMHO, do nothing, and keep a close eye on your next harvest and go a little easier on the nutes and cuttings, as with everything if you do it gradually you should be fine as to not stress the plant in to hermie. BTW, meant to ask, what are you using for cloning hormone, gel or powder?

[raizla]

Bushka - glad you signed up. I still don't like that the site shuts down daily... and it's usually down when I'm ready to post for the night. If I do another grow log, the posts will be more sporadic,and less thorough.

THContent - thanks for the comments. Simply by your sentence structure, the fact that you've read through the whole thread, and the choices you've made for your grow area, I have no doubt you'll have a successful grow.

I agree with you that the spots I was seeing a couple weeks ago were the first sign that Watson was under stress. I never narrowed it down to whether it was too many nutrients, or whether the pH was off. The strangest thing of all was that 2 of the plants looked perfectly happy throughout the entire grow, and only Watson shows the spots and signs of stress.

It may have been difficult for everyone reading this thread to tell, but only Scarlet was trimmed, and she shows no signs of being a hermie. In fact, she may be the best producer of the three. Watson was completely untrimmed, and recieved the same nutrients as the two others, yet she went hermie.
I do plan on trimming the next set of plants the same way Scarlet was trimmed. The extra light that reached the lower buds allowed them to fatten up, while the other two plants have nothing of worth below the top set of leaves.

I think more than anything, Watson simply has different genetics than Camara and Scarlet. Her buds are narrower and longer, a slightly different shade of green, and the hairs are more brown, less white. It's difficult to describe, but if you look at close-up pics in previous posts, you may be able to tell.

I used the rooting powder found at Home Depot. It was the only one they had, but it worked fine. None of the leaves wilted or dropped from the clones, and they began to grow quite quickly. I think the method of having everything ready to go, and getting the plants into soil within seconds of cutting them is key.

Here is today's pic.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3346/dsc00731js.jpg

[tristan1986]

Yummm!

[THContent]

Yeah Raiz I hear you, since you pointed out that Watson wasn't trimmed it is probably a misfortune in the genetics, lol, I guess you can't have everything perfect, even with feminized seeds... Make sure you keep a close eye on Watson Jr. in the future just to make sure.

I honestly went to home depot and debated on getting their rooting hormone, its something like $5.66 or something like that for a small bottle. Since you have 3/3 success I am confident I will have the same results :) So I will be scooping a bottle up today :)

I still need to grab a fan or two, also Raiz, what you think about me using a scrog in a 2 x 3 x 10 closet space? Should I just let them go straight up, or is there additional budding with scrog?

Which also reminds me, I gotta run out for a bit and pick up a few pots to plant/transplant as the stages progress, I will post a few pics of my space in a few mins just gotta grab the camera. brb.

[THContent]

Ok, so here's where I will be doing all the magic, Raiz, you think I might be able to fit 2 plants, or maybe 3 in this 2ft x 3ft x 10ft space? How many inches are you using with your 3 plants at the stage they are at now?

http://i50.tinypic.com/35mplps.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/mhdqxi.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/15xlobt.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/eb7ern.jpg


Keep in mind the lamp I'm using is a 600W HPS

[raizla]

I'm going to have to answer your question tomorrow THContent. No time tonight.

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[THContent]

I can't wait to see what you yield from this.

[canniwhatsis]

I can't wait to see what you yield from this.

+1 :thumbsup:


THContent; Try posting that question in the "Grow room" forum,... you might get better response.

Just been my experience with thread etiquette around here. ;)


Raiz, good luck controlling the nanners, I hope your harvest is as good as your girls look now! :rastasmoke:

[raizla]

The T5 light that I have is perfect for the 2 x 5 closet space that I have now. It provides the right amount of light over a narrow yet wide space. In your case THC, the area is neither narrow nor wide. You'll need more light penetration rather than a wider light like I have, so the 600w should work fine. The main problem you'll most likely run into is a heat issue.

A couple things I would do with the space....
1. Get rid of the red tiles, and put some white ones in there. You can most likely buy some white ones for a couple dollars at home depot or lowes. I tore up the carpet in my closet before I started and put white tiles down myself. The light reflection will help a lot, especially with limited floorspace.

2. Seal up any holes/cracks with white caulking, and paint everything white that isn't white. Trust me when I say bugs get in everywhere. I've found random ants, spiders, and gnats in my closet, and it's almost 100% sealed up. I have no idea how they got in there.

3. I don't think you'll be able to get 3 plants in there. My 3 plants take up the entire 2x5 floorspace. That's 10 square feet. They go from wall to wall on all four sides. The poor pepper keeps getting crowded out and I have to trim back the White Widow plants. You have 6 square feet of space, but lots of vertical space, so I wouldn't scrog in your case, but rather promote the vertical growth.

There are others with more experience than myself, so if you still have questions I think canniwhatsis may be correct, and they may be best answered in the grow room forum.

[raizla]

Tonight I tried to pick off as many nanners as I could. There are too many. After about 15 I gave up, as many of them were breaking in half, probably spilling pollen all over the closet. The decision is made. Tomorrow I cut down Watson and Scarlet.

Watson is the one with the hermie issue and should be cut anyways. Scarlet has the most amber trichomes, probably about 10-15%. Camara however, still has many clear and cloudy trichs. I am going to concentrate on the other two tomorrow and see how it goes. I may end up taking down all three.

If anyone has any requests for pictures, now is the time to make them. I plan on getting a few pictures before harvest anyways, but I don't mind snapping a few extra if you have something you want to see.

I have a lot of preparation to do. I haven't yet created a place to hang them. This is a closet, so I could just put coat hangers in there and tie them to that. At the moment it's my best plan. I also haven't done enough research about drying time/drying conditions, so I'll do some reading in the morning. I do have a bunch of jars ready when the time comes to cure.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6528/dsc00733c.jpg

[Dutch Pimp]

:)...http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/60954-drying-curing-your-buds.html

:)...Text (http://cannabis.com/growing/curing-what-is-the-best-way-to-dry-and-preserve-the-cure-for-smooth-sweet-buds.html)

[raizla]

Thanks Dutch. The girls are cut down. Pictures tomorrow if I've got time. It's beena busy weekend.

[bigtopsfinn]

Did a really nice job :greenthumb:

I want to try this curing method: http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/182617-perfect-cure-every-time.html

[pepurr]

I have really enjoyed looking at this grow. I really like the way you kept up with the pictures. I can look at the date and compare the progress of my grow with the picture. Then I know if my plants are growing at a good pace. It's like I can use yours as a bench mark.

If in the end my grow looks half as nice as yours, I won't be too disappointed.

Looking forward to seeing pics of the end product. :thumbsup:

[michaelpeg]

nice grow. dont forget to post pics of the buds hanging, in jars, and the yield:thumbsup:

[Jakeyfr3sh]

Like everyone else said, you are an inspiration! These pictures are perfect examples of some insane bud. Great grow man! I'd be surprised if you didn't get atleast 4 oz dry ;)

[THContent]

Id say easily 4oz dry, maybe close to 6oz, prolly would have been more if he let it go longer in veg.

[michaelpeg]

pictures?

[johnbrownsboot]

Throw me on to the list of admirers. I had heard some much shit talk about t-5's!!! I must have checked this thread over 100 times throughout the last few months. all along comparing and thouroughly enjoying the detail as well as the results!

I uh, know somebody who has done almost everything the same except going 1-1 FFOF and promix, with a little bit of perlite and also switched to a 600 w hps for the 12/12 at about 10 inches height.


Well add me to friend here, also please put a link to the new forum or continue to post here! thank you for your time and effort!! A++ would read again!

Oh the pic request I have is of the boobs? you talked about a few pages ago :)

[bubadutep75]

I like your 1st grow room looks very clean, I am working on my first grow and am trying fox farm, thanks for the fox farm feading schedule by the way.

I just got northern lights from Nirvana it took longer than expected but I got them and they are looking good.

Great job this is the best 1st grow I have ever seen, I am using Fox farm soil and nutes, are you following the schedule that fox farm provides or are you just playing it by ear.

They look awesome, I don't know if it's just me but I want to cut the 2 main colas off and smoke those, so that the rest is all perfectly even it's like a work of art.

The only bad thing about taking the leaves off, White Widow leaves are loaded with THC and you can make some killer hash with the leaves.

[bubadutep75]

Not sure why all my replies ended up on one reply but you get the message. :wtf3:

[michaelpeg]

come on raiz we want an update

[bubadutep75]

Whats up raiz, I read your whole log but still waiting for conclusion, are you going to give us pics of the bud or what?

[cannamanibus]

Excellent job!!

Damnit, i know i didn't just spend 2 hours reading all 14 pages just to get to page 14 and have no more pics with a final product. Because this is one of the best QUALITY logs i have seen. Alot of plant love and i bet your harvest showed it. Awesome stuff man. All about quality not quantity!;)

:thumbsup:

[Unknownfigure]

Has he even posted since the last update...?

Perhaps something happened...

I wish him the best of luck, those truly were nice plants.

[canniwhatsis]

No new posts, his last one was thanking Dutchpimp for the links to curing,.... Hope every things okay. And he's just to medicated to type. :jointsmile:

[0ldtimer]

Sorry to hear that your feminized WW cocked-up on you. I don't typically care for feminized genetic backbones personally, but some like them. Depends on your POV. In late flower some of my equatorial girls will shoot naners regardless of stress. WW does have south american in her, but none of my WW ever hermied on me in late flower. If I think I have fertile pollen floating around w/ less than 3 weeks to finish, I typically spray the sacks once w/ plain R/O water to germinate any viable pollen grains and let them finish.

[yorban]

I am appalled and outraged at the absence of op!

[jdcha1]

Anyone know what color temperature he used for vegging and for flowering?

It looks like for flowering he used 4 3000K and 2 daylight spectrum
Can anyone confirm this?

What did you use for vegging?

[Stomper420]

Nice, looks like I found my lights:thumbsup:

[MuffinFlavored]

Are we supposed to be left wondering?

[KnowledgeIsPower]

Really glad i viewed this log. Thanx 4 all the pics.