Merry Prankstr's "A Tale of Four Chemdogs"

[MerryPrankstr]

I had been promised some Reservoir Seeds Chemdog IBL, but due to problems the project completion was delayed until at least May 2010. I was able to get 10 Pre-IBL stage seeds Chemdog IX-III, four of which are the subject of this grow log. Chemdog has always been a favorite strain of mine. It may not be the world's best potency or taste, or anything like that. I just consider it like comfort food, ya know what I mean.

This grow is not about cutting edge technology or superior techniques but about friends and our relationship with our favorite plant.

Being a backwards farmer in may ways I referred to the Old Farmers Almanac for best germination period. I have no scientific proof that this is any better. ;) They were popped into water on Jan 27 and transferred to 3 1/12" square planters filled 2/3 with pre-treated coco 24 hours later (tap roots 1/2 " long) and placed 24" away from my LED lamp.


Hopefully this grow will be a place to sit and shoot the bull while passing time watching them grow. I'll be glad to receive any questions comments or criticisms, but mainly just trying to have a friendly grow.

Pictures to follow shortly.
M.P.

[Weezard]

I had been promised some Reservoir Seeds Chemdog IBL, but due to problems the project completion was delayed until at least May 2010. I was able to get 10 Pre-IBL stage seeds Chemdog IX-III, four of which are the subject of this grow log. Chemdog has always been a favorite strain of mine. It may not be the world's best potency or taste, or anything like that. I just consider it like comfort food, ya know what I mean.

This grow is not about cutting edge technology or superior techniques but about friends and our relationship with our favorite plant.

Being a backwards farmer in may ways I referred to the Old Farmers Almanac for best germination period. I have no scientific proof that this is any better. ;) They were popped into water on Jan 27 and transferred to 3 1/12" square planters filled 2/3 with pre-treated coco 24 hours later (tap roots 1/2 " long) and placed 24" away from my LED lamp.


Hopefully this grow will be a place to sit and shoot the bull while passing time watching them grow. I'll be glad to receive any questions comments or criticisms, but mainly just trying to have a friendly grow.

Pictures to follow shortly.
M.P.


I'll patiently wait.
But quit callin' me shortly.
And does "laughing Buddha" really make ya laugh?

Came to a fork in da road.
Took it.
Now I'm really forked.
An' I can't get da tape off my duck.:wtf:

Ah dunno from Chemdog.
Please educate me.
Aloha,
Wee

[MerryPrankstr]

Weeze (et al) This expanation may take a bit, please allow me to copy and paste from a commonly quoted article:


History of the Chemdawg Family

At a 1989 Grateful Dead show at Deer Creek Amphitheatre, 'joebrand' (aka 'wonkanobe') and 'pbud' met 'chemdog' and sold him an ounce of very high quality pot for $500. joe and chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.

In â??91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds. From these seeds, one male was found and disposed of (chemdog was young, you canâ??t blame him). The 3 females were labeled â??chemdawgâ?? (now â??91 chemdawg), â??chemdawg aâ?? (now chemdawgâ??s sister), and â??chemdawg bâ??. In '01, chemdog and his girlfriend attempted to germ 3 more seeds, labeled â??câ??, â??dâ??, and â??eâ??. the â??eâ?? seed never germinated, â??câ?? turned out to be junk (according to chemdog), and chemdawg â??dâ?? was the keeper. In '06, 'chemdog' and 'joebrand' reunited and joe was given 4 of the last 6 beans: Chemdawg phenos 1-4, '4' being the chosen keeper. Joe thought the '4' was the best representation of the original and thus dubbed it the 'reunion pheno'. Chemdog still has two seeds left in his stash.

Chemdawg Crosses:
â?¢ 'OG Kush' (the original cut) came from an s1 from in a bag of '91 Chemdawg in the Lake Tahoe area in 1996.
â?¢ 'Sour Diesel' aka ECSD came from an accidental cross of ('91 Chemdawg x Mass Super Skunk/NL)x DNL after the DNL hermed and seeded the room. The DNL's lineage is NL/Shiva x Hawaiian.
â?¢ Original Diesel' (also known as Diesel #1, Headband, Daywrecker Diesel, Underdawg) came from a cross of '91 Chemdawg x (Mass Super Skunk x Sensi's Northern Lights) done by a guy known as â??weaselâ??.

â?¢ 'chemdog' and friends made several crosses that are held closely by a small group of friends and acquaintances. Among them are:

1. Super Snowdawg (Bubble Chem x [Super skunk x Oregon Sno])
2. Giesel (Chem D x Mass Super Skunk)
3. Bubble Chem (Chemdawgâ??s Sister x Sag's Bubbleberry)
4. Dawg Daze aka ChemHaze (Chem D x â??93 Sensi's NL#5/Haze)
5. Chemdawg D x Pbud (another old-school Colorado strain)


Rezdog of Reservoir Seeds recently released several Chemdawg crosses as part of his 'Trinity' charity auctions. The crosses included Chemdawg D x Sensi's Hindu Kush and Snowdawg x Sensi's Hindu Kush, Chemdawg D x Sour Diesel IBL, Snowdawg x Sour Diesel IBL, ChemHaze x Sour Diesel IBL and Giesel x Sour Diesel IBL.

So it's from unkown genetic, but a classic component of many modern strains held in fairly high regards. My seeds came directly from Rezdog. They are intermediate products as he is working to breed Chemdog into an IBL.

I was actually able to get my hands on a fair quantity (50 each)of his seeds. Rez produces seeds that actually are decendants of Chemdog and The original keeper of the strain has repeated verified the origins of Rez,s genetics and has given him his blessing to work the strain, unlike Arjan from GreenHouse seeds. It is in fact the real deal, "bottled in bond" genetics. Arjaqn's straion is from an "apothicary" cut which cannot be verified to actually originate from Chemdog's original seed stock.

The best part that Rez is very helpful (although sometimes rude) and is very open source regarding phenotypes, care and feeding schedules, etc. If you are interested in more info he has a presence at ICMag.

[MerryPrankstr]

BTW I'm cutting these posts into smaller bits so the server doesn't hiccup and I lose all my typing....

I harvested the Lauging Buddha on Wednsday and it's presently drying, but I was dissatisfied with it for a few reasons. It looks like the harvest will be about 3 quart jars of dried buds.


1) Despite it's taunted Thai genetic background it neither looks smells or tastes like any Thai I ever had before. The leaves were wide and not at all Sativa looking.

2) It took over 120 days to flower. I could have put two cycles of a more usual Indica strain. If it actually was Thai I would have been happy, but this stuff tastes and smells just like your usual cut of weed. I will wait for it to cure before final judgement, but I'll be suprised if it turns out like what we remembered.

I have been generally dissatisfied with Barney's farm in general. The strains don't resemble any know phenos of what they are supposed to represent in terms of growth, shape, etc. They will definitely smoke so I'm keeping the product, but gave the rest of that seeds stock (both Laughing Buddha and G-13xHaze) to a friend who has been just growing bagseed. He will be happy enough with it.

The Reserva Privada Kandy Kush is itself a cross of Chemdog and Arcata Train Wreck. It actually turned out pretty good and fed my interest in the Chemdog strain itself. I kept the remainder of these seeds.

M.P.

[stra8outtaWeed]

History of the Chemdawg Family

At a 1989 Grateful Dead show at Deer Creek Amphitheatre, 'joebrand' (aka 'wonkanobe') and 'pbud' met 'chemdog' and sold him an ounce of very high quality pot for $500. joe and chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.

In â??91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds. From these seeds, one male was found and disposed of (chemdog was young, you canâ??t blame him). The 3 females were labeled â??chemdawgâ?? (now â??91 chemdawg), â??chemdawg aâ?? (now chemdawgâ??s sister), and â??chemdawg bâ??. In '01, chemdog and his girlfriend attempted to germ 3 more seeds, labeled â??câ??, â??dâ??, and â??eâ??. the â??eâ?? seed never germinated, â??câ?? turned out to be junk (according to chemdog), and chemdawg â??dâ?? was the keeper. In '06, 'chemdog' and 'joebrand' reunited and joe was given 4 of the last 6 beans: Chemdawg phenos 1-4, '4' being the chosen keeper. Joe thought the '4' was the best representation of the original and thus dubbed it the 'reunion pheno'. Chemdog still has two seeds left in his stash.

Chemdawg Crosses:
â?¢ 'OG Kush' (the original cut) came from an s1 from in a bag of '91 Chemdawg in the Lake Tahoe area in 1996.


i was lucky enough to be given the OG SFV form one of the "players" in the Trinity area...i have forgotten most of the details in its complete origin :stoned: but those are some correct facts above...the complete genetics of OG is chemdawg mother x (Lemon Thai female x Old World Kush male) made the daddy that bred to the chemdawg mother in 1996 and the seeds produced the original OG cuts :thumbsup:

[headshake]

you know i'm tuned in for the ride M.P.! can't wait to see how this "tale of 4 chemdawgs" ends.

-shake

[MerryPrankstr]

You're Welcome, Shake!

Just take a seat anywhere.

Did you see where I put my lighter?

M.P.

[headshake]

it's under that piece of paper that's behind the bong!

-shake

[MerryPrankstr]

Real Quick update to bring it all together:
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Seeds Front

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Seeds Back

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6 days out of their shell and growing.

M.P.

[Weezard]

You, sir, are a mentor of the first water.
Mahalo nui fo' wisin' me up!
I have always wondered 'bout the odd names.
You saved me hours of sifting through da beach cat barf.:)
(Had too many less important things to look up, yah?)

Lookin' at the sprouts, noticing' the internode distance, I'm moved to ask.
Is that much stretch strain related, or might they benefit from more blue, or just more light?

An' I guess 'Shake didn't see me glom yer lighter.;)

Sorry, I no steal.
It's a sticky finger kine Gecko t'ing:D
Here, have a couple of mine.
I seem to have a pocket full.:o


Warm Aloha
Wee 'zard

[MerryPrankstr]

Lookin' at the sprouts, noticing' the internode distance, I'm moved to ask.
Is that much stretch strain related, or might they benefit from more blue, or just more light?

Ain't no strain fault. Rez gear is absolutely top notch. It's all on me, and probably light related as you say. A lot going on in Pranskstr Manor. ;)

Should be ok in the long run. These are destined to be cloned and manipulated so the seed plant is just going to be one of many. Males will not be destroyed but contained and the pollen collected as well as keeping the "fathers" alive. If you fancy anything from the gene bank, just speak up, ok? Could you tell strawberry is my favorite fruit?



An' I guess 'Shake didn't see me glom yer lighter.

Sorry, I no steal.
It's a sticky finger kine Gecko t'ing
Here, have a couple of mine.
I seem to have a pocket full.

Me needum majik fire stick only to speak to ancestors.
You are certainly welcome to share it, Bro!

Catch you on the rebound,
M.P.

[Weezard]

"Could you tell strawberry is my favorite fruit?"

No! No kiddin'?
Mine's Mango.
What's yer favorite berry?:D

Ba dump bump!

Y'all come back, we're here all week.

Weeze

[MerryPrankstr]

Ya got me there, Weeze ...

Remember, please tip the wait staff!

M.P.

[stra8outtaWeed]

got my bong and jar full o' budz and plenty of flame~ready for the show!:smokin:

[MerryPrankstr]

Thanks for bringing the flame, too. :thumbsup:

M.P.

[MerryPrankstr]

Originally posted by Weezard

Lookin' at the sprouts, noticing' the internode distance, I'm moved to ask.
Is that much stretch strain related, or might they benefit from more blue, or just more light?

Sometimes I answer too abruptly, me thinks.

Your question has been burning a hole in my sub-conscience and now must be addressed. The truth of the matter is that on my outdoor grows, I always have neatly stacked plants from the first node up. I cannot manage to do that indoors, however. My indoor seedlings always have a stretch between the root and the codyleton (sp?) but start to stack up much closer from that point up. I usually just bury the plant deeper when I transplant to 6" pots, but you are quite right, it just ain't right.

The light at the medium surface reads over 3k lux. That should be enough quantity, right? More blue?

The coco is moist but not wet, and the main stem is stiff and strong... There's a brisk breeze strengthening them and facilitating air movement. There's plenty of fresh air, the temps vary from 72 at night to 78-79 at peak temps. Relative humidity is low, around 20%... I'm feeding 1/4 strength nutes at ph of 5.8

Yet I have this recurring problem.

Anyone have any comments or ideas?

M.P.

[Weezard]

"The light at the medium surface reads over 3k lux. That should be enough quantity, right? More blue?"

Well, lets think on it.
As I understand it, the seedlings first job is pushing down a tap root and finding enough quality light for future success.
There's much more blue in the mix at noon, so plants seek blue.
That's what makes them grow straight up, they seek, not just blue, but the blue-est.

So, if the first light they see is too red, they feel "shadowed", and they stretch to compete with the shaders, (Rocks, grass, leaf litter, others. etc.)

Once they suck the cotyledons dry in their quest, they are done, If they haven't found enough light by then, they die.


I'd supplement with some blue for a better bud to stem ratio.
And squatter plants for an indoor grow.


Mind you, this is all theory on my part.

The early stretch just might produce more weight as an adult.
Ah dunno fo'sho'.


Would have to do too many side by sides to prove it properly.

With any luck, somebody already has done.
Prolly worth some searching.

But, I hope no one's waiting for me to get to googling.
I no longer stress about squeezing out a few more grams.:rastasmoke:

Alas, all my research time is taken up with medical issues lately.

A real easy 'speriment would be to add some blue supplement.

Could just use a filter to block some of the red.
Then lower the light to make up for the loss of red photons and increase the blue intensity.
1/2 the distance, 4X the power.

Just a thought or two.
You no got to change a thing.
Bottom line?
Your end results are not shabby.

Aloha,
Da Wee zard

[MerryPrankstr]

Weeze, no worries!
I am happy with my output and quality, but that's one sticking point in a LONG time of growing. It's funny how we learn to compensate. A natural work-around.

That's not what this grow is all about, but since you pointed it out, if you did have a solution, I would hate to turn it down.

This grow has three goals.

1) Priority one - get some good mothers
2) Priority two - satisfy a personal question as to whether or not boutique seeds are worth the extra $$$.
3) Low Priority - Do some amateur pollen chucking for possible future seeds

I was gonna type up a real pretty prologue, but here's the Reader's Digest version: Out of the 4 varieties I grew last cycle the free seed (Dinafem Blueberry Hash). It may not be the most potent, but it was real nice and hand an excellent taste. I am still kicking myself for not cloning and reproducing her.

So I have a cache of good free seeds and of good boutique seeds (not just Rez seeds) and am gonna try to have fair one to one competitions. Since some of the free sees are feminized and all the boutiques are not, I think I'm gonna have to provide at least 4:1 ration just in case I have a bunch of males.

Mrs P wants me to make some seeds for our own future use (we'll see if we can pull it off in the area I can get in the house.

Thanks for your reply, Bro!
M.P.

[headshake]

hey, M.P., i agree with the 'zard. keep your light right on top of the plants if you can. i think 24" away is a bit far (if they infact still reside at this distance), especially for LEDs (although i have no first hand LED experience mind you). just my $.02, of course.

also, if you make some crosses don't be shy. shake likes coins, especially coins made by buddies, ya dig? lol. i've got some amateur pollen-chucking about to happen as well.....

anyway i hope all is well y'alls way and that space you need!


-shake

[DreadedHermie]

There's much more blue in the mix at noon, so plants seek blue.
That's what makes them grow straight up, they seek, not just blue, but the blue-est.

So, if the first light they see is too red, they feel "shadowed", and they stretch to compete with the shaders, (Rocks, grass, leaf litter, others. etc.)

MP, I think the linked article below supports this hypothesis. It also ought to provide a warning against using 730nm indiscriminately. It's pretty clear these researchers found it can easily cause unwanted stretch if improperly implemented.

Journal Article - Colored Mulch Trial (http://plasticulture.cas.psu.edu/DSuccess-mulch.htm)

Are these just under the T-1? I can't remember your setup. I know you know what you're doing, so I don't want to brashly start throwing suggestions out there that you've probably already considered. That said, under usual circumstances, these things tend to mitigate excessive stretch:

1. More overall light intensity (add more lights, or decrease the distance, der)
2. Increase blue light intensity (enough should actually stop the plants in their tracks. Occurs just before light-bleaching. Gotta :weedpoke: to get it dialed in)
3. Decrease red light intensity
4. A longer photoperiod

Under some conditions, 24/0 veg does outperform other lighting schedules. (Insufficient light is one of those conditions.) Don't be afraid to try it. (I do not suggest 24/0 is optimum under all conditions, but it has permitted me veg out some impressive bushes under minimal lighting when maximum stealth was required.)

OTOH, if you're getting what you need at harvest, perhaps seedlings that get a little leggy at first is a non-issue. But I'll bet we can fix this, if it bugs you. :thumbsup:

[EvilCartman]

6 days out of their shell and growing.

This sounds like a good one. :thumbsup: I'm onboard.

What are those other 3 lil' scamps doing? Did they crash the 4 CD's party? :D

[MerryPrankstr]

Yesterday was largely spent preparing for the snowstorm sweeping the eastern US. Gave all the chickens and pigs a extra food, same with the 2 horses. I ain't getting any younger and when I was done a couple of hits and I was done for the night.

I tried sneaking on line a couple of times but Mrs P sniffed me out and sent me back to doin' chores.
So....
As to the seedling stretching syndrome:

Thanks Weezard, Dreaded Hermie and Headshake !

I please guilty to extreme laziness in this case. I left the TI Smartbloom high and put it on a table. I have a bunch of bagseed around so I think maybe I'll experiment with them using your collective input and finally dial in that aspect of my grows. Thanks a bunch! I have been afraid of burning the seeds with too much initial light, but I can see now I have been way too cautious.

Btw, DH please stop by anytime you'd like. Living on a farm in winter sure gives ya Cabin fever. In fact I'm thinking of taking a trip to the Big City after this storm blows through to mail a couple of items and pick up some supplies.

EvilCartman, welcome!

The other three are free seeds(left to right):

1 Dinafem power Kush @ 3 weeks, 2 DNA Genetics (Reserva Privada regular line) La Confidential x Skunk @ 2 weeks.

Gotta shovel a path to the barn and see how everyone's doin.
Later all!

M.P.

[stra8outtaWeed]

:eek:there are a few places around here where folks got 9' of snow! the average was about 3 1/2 feet...snappped trees all over the place and left folks w/o power for about a week!

keep the babies warm they'll love ya for it!:jointsmile:

[McToker]

Y'all are havin' way too much fun in here, so, sign me up.

Snow? Oh yea. That's that stuff that shows up on the TV when the cable goes out.;) No snow down here but we have been getting plenty of rain. Well, plenty for the desert anyway. It should make for a very colorful spring.

Keep everybody warm.

McT

[MerryPrankstr]

McToker,
Welcome and make yourself at home.

Moved everything down and light is now 12 " from top of plants.

M.P.

[MerryPrankstr]

Just thought that I'd mention that there are some Reservoir Seeds packs on SeedBay right now. The prices are right through the roof on them, I don't know if I'd pay that much for them. The BIN's went for $200.00 a pack. Glad I got mine the way I did.

I also found out that there is an alternative from a couple of breeders who hang out at THC Farmer. Chemdog has indicated that he has given them clones and the "blessing" to produce seeds. Let's hope that they are more reasonable in their pricing!

M.P.

[stra8outtaWeed]

Just thought that I'd mention that there are some Reservoir Seeds packs on SeedBay right now. The prices are right through the roof on them, I don't know if I'd pay that much for them. The BIN's went for $200.00 a pack. Glad I got mine the way I did.

I also found out that there is an alternative from a couple of breeders who hang out at THC Farmer. Chemdog has indicated that he has given them clones and the "blessing" to produce seeds. Let's hope that they are more reasonable in their pricing!

M.P.

that is spendy fo sho! i have not bought seeds for years....growing with clones...maybe i should take some inventory of what i have and donate them....i know those are good genetics but $20+ per seed is outragous!:wtf:

thank for the info!

[headshake]

headshake always takes donations! lol.

M.P., still no coins. i hope that it's just the shitty weather that is delaying things! thanks again!

how have the plants responded to you moving the light down? remember, you want to get it as close as you can to the plants without incurring problems (not that i'm telling you anything new).


-shake

[MerryPrankstr]

M.P., still no coins. i hope that it's just the shitty weather that is delaying things! thanks again!

I don't know Shake... They should have arrived by now. Keeping my fingers crossed because I don't have any more of those particular ones left. Strawberry flavors only left!


how have the plants responded to you moving the light down? remember, you want to get it as close as you can to the plants without incurring problems (not that i'm telling you anything new).

Resonding real well. I'll have some photos up on the 2 week mark (Monday).

M.P.

[headshake]

*crosses fingers*

damn, i'm sure it's the shitty weather. it has to be! they will show up, i have faith. i've heard about those strawberry flavors that you speak of. i bet they are awesome as the one regular diesel plant i have been working with is nice all the way 'round.

can't wait for the pics!


-shake