Under served areas?

[personified]

Hello,

I am curious to find what area of NM is under served. If you are a current Medical Marijuana Card Holder please let me know what city you live in. Also let me know if your area has adequate service or not.

I have a potential doctor already interested and know of one card holder. If I can find an area that makes economic sense I believe I am going to try to open a facility for production. Unfortunately do to confidentiality the state will not divulge under served areas.

Thanks to all patients for your assitance,
Personified

[personified]

I have read through the forum and realize that the state as a whole is under served. However when speaking with the state they mentioned that one of the criteria they are now looking at is areas of necessity.

An email from the state answering questions I had

1. producers are licensed based upon patient needs which does include service area. The program is however restricted in revealing locations of current licensed producers due to confidentiality.
2. proposals are being accepted, complete proposals do not constitute a guarantee of license.
3. no proposals have been denied at this time since the program is new and capacity is not yet known.

Any input is appreciated
Thanks,
Personified

[Totah Sam]

I could be selfish and say that the Four Corners area is under-served. Which it is. But, the whole state needs more producers. As far as I'm concerned, the best answer would be Albuquerque.

[chance942]

I know Las Cruces is "dry". I have a friend w/ a card and he goes to SFE to get his Cheese. New Mexico government at it's finest! Come down south and produce legal product. They way this has gone so far I'm afraid has resulted in too many legal users buying illegal blood schwag.

[FLYINGHIGH2]

Sam, I wouldn't consider it selfish to say Four Corners. Like you said, the whole state needs help. Let's just hope DOH sees it too.

[coolslayer]

The whole southern part of the state is underserved.
So far,all of the approved Producers are up in the northern part of NM.

[chance942]

The whole southern part of the state is underserved.
So far,all of the approved Producers are up in the northern part of NM.

The north/south thing has always been a big issue in NM. The north has always in my opinion viewed any person who lives south of ABQ as a second class citizen. Santa Fe draws the people it does and Madrid isn't far away,heck most all of highway 14 is hella 420 friendly so in this case I understand. It still isn't right though. The south needs product as do most. If you look at our area code map of the state I would say that everyone who is 575 is in need. Hey Slayer say we had a place in Cruces... how do you think it would go getting past the migra? I'm sure they'd be trying real hard to see if people were "under the influence" but legally does what Obama told the DEA apply to the Border Patrol too? I would assume it would but I don't like feeling like an ass. Especially if it involved me going to jail in federal custody!

[personified]

say we had a place in Cruces... how do you think it would go getting past the migra? Especially if it involved me going to jail in federal custody!

I will be in contact with the state to ask further questions and this is a very good question pertaining to intrastate distribution crossing check points.

I can not find where I read it easily however I know that when you go through a check point it is federal property and not NM. Therefore in my mind this would be an issue; in addition I think the same applies to Airports. As a producer I would not want to chance delivery Federal Transport would be the thing to loose the licensee and mostly bring negative attention to a volatile situation not to mention jail time.

[personified]

The answer is on the DOH website
Medical Cannabis Program - Infectious Disease Bureau (http://nmhealth.org/idb/medical_cannabis.shtml)

Q: Can I use medical cannabis anywhere in New Mexico?
A: No. It is illegal to possess or use medical cannabis in a public vehicle, on school grounds or property, in the workplace of the patient or primary caregiver, or at a public park, recreation center, youth center or other public place. The law does not provide protection on federal property such as airports, immigration check-points and federal parks. It is still illegal to operate a motor vehicle while under the influence of cannabis.

[coolslayer]

The north/south thing has always been a big issue in NM. The north has always in my opinion viewed any person who lives south of ABQ as a second class citizen. Santa Fe draws the people it does and Madrid isn't far away,heck most all of highway 14 is hella 420 friendly so in this case I understand. It still isn't right though. The south needs product as do most. If you look at our area code map of the state I would say that everyone who is 575 is in need. Hey Slayer say we had a place in Cruces... how do you think it would go getting past the migra? I'm sure they'd be trying real hard to see if people were "under the influence" but legally does what Obama told the DEA apply to the Border Patrol too? I would assume it would but I don't like feeling like an ass. Especially if it involved me going to jail in federal custody!


Las Cruces probably would not be a great location for a Producer as almost any direction that you go from there has a checkpoint and the job of each checkpoint is to seize illegal substances and persons without the right to be in this country.I highly doubt that the border patrol will make any exceptions for state laws.
Cali has had MMJ for a while.......you might want to research the amount of marijuana seizures at their immigration checkpoint(s).

[personified]

I actually live in Az and have driven I-10 through NM I only remember being checked going from East to West. Do the check when going the other direction say from Deming to Las Cruces? I also only seem to remember the next one going from East to West in Az after the border of NM.

[MadSativa]

The north/south thing has always been a big issue in NM. The north has always in my opinion viewed any person who lives south of ABQ as a second class citizen.



I am not even sure how that makes sense, or what it means .................. but give it some time, first they have to approve producers. Then they can start to set up shop, but location means nothing, their are no walking cannabis coffee type dispensaries here yet, everything is delivered. which means location is not that important, if SFINM can reach Las Cruces, then we just need more producers, they come to you not the other Way around.

[bedrockbob]

Within 100 miles of the border, if you are on a fedeerally funded highway, you are subject to search with no probable cause by federal officials. The Border Patrol has stated that anyone caught in posession will be arrested and the federal attorney will advise them on if they will be prosecuted. I will try to find the article and link to it.

I have lived in Las Cruces for 30 years and know the ropes. No dispensary woudl be safe there. A grower that started up would not only be risking federal hassle but the cartel owns the borders on both sides.

You can not go out of las Cruces, Deming, Lordsburg, in any direction without a checkpoint and they are GOOD. Dogs, X-ray, trained cops, adn a brand new facility on I-25. Going IN is no problem. If I was going to serve las Cruces I would put the dispensary mire than 100 air miles from the US/Mexico border. Outside this 100 mile line the Feds have to follow search and seizure rules and things are legally different.

A delivery system would be easy to Las Cruces from elsewhere. If you were a producer in Las Cruces you simply could not deliver ANYWHERE outside of central Dona Ana County without going through a federal checkpoint. It would seriously limit your ability to serve patients.

[bedrockbob]

Hey, one more thing... Lets make it perfectly clear....

Obama said that the federal officials would not actively pursue investigaions against MC patient as long as they were growing within state laws. In other words they would acknowledge state law. THAT DID NOT MEAN THEY WOULD NOT UPHOLD FEDERAL LAW. There is a distinction here to be made.

The Border Patrol El Paso Sector has made it clear that they will arrest anyone with any amount of marijuana. At these checkpoints you have NO SEARCH AND SEIZURE RIGHTS. After you are arrested they will leave it up the the Federal Attorney to prosecute, and the attorney has not made a statement. The assumption is that you will be allowed to bond out, your meds will be confiscated, and the charges will be dropped after the damage is done.

[coolslayer]

I am not even sure how that makes sense, or what it means .................. but give it some time, first they have to approve producers. Then they can start to set up shop, but location means nothing, their are no walking cannabis coffee type dispensaries here yet, everything is delivered. which means location is not that important, if SFINM can reach Las Cruces, then we just need more producers, they come to you not the other Way around.

As far as I know,SFINM no longer delivers south of Albuquerque.

[chance942]

I actually live in Az and have driven I-10 through NM I only remember being checked going from East to West. Do the check when going the other direction say from Deming to Las Cruces? I also only seem to remember the next one going from East to West in Az after the border of NM.

Is a totally different ball game. In NM I haven't ever seen the BP hiding along I-10 or I-25. Once you pass Truth or Consequences by 15 miles or so you rarely will see them,driving even. In Arizona,way before this whole "money and guns to Mexico" thing became national news I wasn't stopped but southbound to Nogales I saw a temporary check that was set up to stop in both directions. I then passed through another temporary check on northbound 19.

There is a westbound check between Las Cruces and Deming. All paved roads leading away from Las Cruces have permanent,rip your car apart, checkpoints. There are 2 on NB 25,one open at a time. So Slayer and Bob are correct Cruces wouldn't make much sense.

So to ultimately answer your question we don't have what you do in Arizona. The focus at this very moment is on roads leading AWAY from El Paso. Supposedly they check for southbound contraband on the U.S. side of the border. The Mexicans COULD have been doing this all along but we all know why they haven't.

[chance942]

Within 100 miles of the border, if you are on a fedeerally funded highway, you are subject to search with no probable cause by federal officials. The Border Patrol has stated that anyone caught in posession will be arrested and the federal attorney will advise them on if they will be prosecuted. I will try to find the article and link to it.

I have lived in Las Cruces for 30 years and know the ropes. No dispensary woudl be safe there. A grower that started up would not only be risking federal hassle but the cartel owns the borders on both sides.

You can not go out of las Cruces, Deming, Lordsburg, in any direction without a checkpoint and they are GOOD. Dogs, X-ray, trained cops, adn a brand new facility on I-25. Going IN is no problem. If I was going to serve las Cruces I would put the dispensary mire than 100 air miles from the US/Mexico border. Outside this 100 mile line the Feds have to follow search and seizure rules and things are legally different.

A delivery system would be easy to Las Cruces from elsewhere. If you were a producer in Las Cruces you simply could not deliver ANYWHERE outside of central Dona Ana County without going through a federal checkpoint. It would seriously limit your ability to serve patients.

For living in LC for 30 years you really don't seem to "know the ropes". Where is the checkpoint on I-10?? Have they build another between Deming and Lordsburg? The facilty on 25 is not brand new,they added a truck and bus lane. Why did you call every doc in SFE and not Cruces? Hmmm Trained officers? Yeah trained to sit on there arses and tear up bad arse jeeps. My job affords me a bird's eye view of what they do on I-25 and yeah I use binoculars. They don't do sh*t. You are correct about the 25 check though it has certainly had a technological makeover. By the way what cartel runs both sides of the Borla? Seems like too many people watch Gangland too much. Agreed on DAC not being a good place,that was my question all along. Thanks for the input but don't brag about your 30 years and ropes. By the time I was 20 I knew how the game went in the Borla. Your age and time here don't mean jack. Feel free to respond in any manner you like. That is a big part of the problem with this,too much BS.

[personified]

First let me say thank you for all the input. I don't want to dwell or seem slow however I am a little confused with the statements.

"There is a westbound check between Las Cruces and Deming. All paved roads leading away from Las Cruces have permanent,rip your car apart, checkpoints. There are 2 on NB 25,one open at a time. So Slayer and Bob are correct Cruces wouldn't make much sense."

So a farm in Lordsberge delivering to Deming or to Las Cruces does (of course mobile BP is always a possibility) have to go through a permanent check point? Yes or No?

In my mind that would be the way to go you could hit two semi and one heavily populated area.

However there is such a large population base in Las Cruces that that in it self should be enough of a customer base to grow (no pun intended) into with out trying to distribute product west.

As far a Cartels I do not think at this time they will think of the operation as a big threat. I mean they have a huge customer base while the producers only have 1K people for the whole state. My real concern would be robbery (perhaps from the Cartels) similar to what happened in California. Besides all they can do is beat me up, torture, and kill me. The Feds can lock me up and that would be worse than death it self.

[nap303]

again im not one of those people to sound selfish, but TAOS has not one producer.not one. ive moved here from denver, to taos to find a small town in NM to get super high and live. i dunno if i have found that.

[personified]

While I admire your candidacy I am looking for Medicinal Marijuana users. This is a great privilege they are allowing and I do not want to even imply I am going to do something illegal.

Sounds like you need to grow your own. There are a lot of good videos on youtube that can help you accomplish this goal.

Also we must realize that it has to be economically feasible to maintain the business. There will be a lot of start up costs and continued expenses the largest will be Rent, Electric, Employees, and Taxes.

To think that this would be for pure fun is a fantasy it will have to be a business. A legal business as I do not want to go to jail or bring bad attention to a privilege so many have fought for.

At this point it is so much bigger than just catching a good buzz.

[chance942]

Lordsburg and Deming are within 100 miles of the border. Deming is bigger and Lordsburg has always been a dope hot spot. Eventhough there is a direct southbound round directly from Deming to Columbus into Palomas,Chihuahua,Mexico. With all of the narcos right along the border I just don't think they'd hassle you too much up in Deming. You must also realize that with the B.LO. product up for grabs and all of the territory as well this war has just begun. Right not Juarez is the hot spot but that can and will change as these POS's fight.

ALL SOUTHBOUND ROADS IN NM HAVE NO CHECKPOINTS. EASTBOUND FROM THE ARIZONA LINE,NONE. Now what they do have are what I believe are "trackers", as you drive past a checkpoint there are these lights,cameras, x rays I guess. I really don't know. I believe they use them to see how frequently you are coming and going. So say you make your deliveries and head back with absolutely no Cannabis material in your van. You will be stopped at the checkpoint because the dogs will go crazy smelling the remants of MMJ. The officer would probably smell it too. I don't know how you package it but something to consider. If Slayer is correct that would be my guess as to why they up north no longer deliver past the checkpoints and back. The point is that over time they will figure out what you are doing and could end up getting you with a big load before you can deliver it. I hope that clarifies more,if not. Don't hesitate to keep asking.

[chance942]

again im not one of those people to sound selfish, but TAOS has not one producer.not one. ive moved here from denver, to taos to find a small town in NM to get super high and live. i dunno if i have found that.

Ever seen Easyrider? There is a reason why Dennis loved Taos so much. You can get anything you want there. Just realize that the population increases immensely in the summer so if that's what you want to do start "blending" in now. I don't endorse illegal activity but I do hate politicians and respect the Constitution so in my book you are free to ingest as you please and you will find many people there w/ that same view.

[bedrockbob]

For living in LC for 30 years you really don't seem to "know the ropes". Where is the checkpoint on I-10?? Have they build another between Deming and Lordsburg? The facilty on 25 is not brand new,they added a truck and bus lane. Why did you call every doc in SFE and not Cruces? Hmmm Trained officers? Yeah trained to sit on there arses and tear up bad arse jeeps. My job affords me a bird's eye view of what they do on I-25 and yeah I use binoculars. They don't do sh*t. You are correct about the 25 check though it has certainly had a technological makeover. By the way what cartel runs both sides of the Borla? Seems like too many people watch Gangland too much. Agreed on DAC not being a good place,that was my question all along. Thanks for the input but don't brag about your 30 years and ropes. By the time I was 20 I knew how the game went in the Borla. Your age and time here don't mean jack. Feel free to respond in any manner you like. That is a big part of the problem with this,too much BS.

Wow, you have the disease too. Just grumpy as hell. I try to contribute something useful and some jackass wants to pick it apart. Groovy. Go to it man.

When people work together positively in some way, everyone prospers. When people get greedy and start thinking of themselves, the group fails. I wanted to try and spur some discussion and share something positive. I took time to write good specifics and beleive I did a good job. There is not one detail that is BS yet for some reason you call it BS.

Here is your answers. The gangs are the extension of the cartels on this side of the border. I am from Las Cruces and I dont live there anymore. The officers are well trained and they get the job done. The I-25 checkpoint went from one awning and a shack to 3 acres of awnings at a cost of $3 million so I called it "new", and my age and time here are of paramount importance.

Thanks a lot! Hope I cleared it up for you!

[bedrockbob]

So a farm in Lordsberge delivering to Deming or to Las Cruces does (of course mobile BP is always a possibility) have to go through a permanent check point? Yes or No?

As far a Cartels I do not think at this time they will think of the operation as a big threat. .


Yes, you are correct. there is no actual "checkpoint" on the highway past the Mirage exit. You can drive to Las Cruces, Deming, Lordsburg, without a federal check. Still, if you are anywhere within the 100 mile line they can stop you and search you, no probable cause except they wanted to.

The gangs would steal your shit. Just like Cali only much worse. The valley is lousy with organized gangs moving drugs and stuff. If you had 95 plants they would jack you up in a heartbeat if they saw a way. The cops would resent protecting you.

Just my two cents.

[coolslayer]

First let me say thank you for all the input. I don't want to dwell or seem slow however I am a little confused with the statements.

"There is a westbound check between Las Cruces and Deming. All paved roads leading away from Las Cruces have permanent,rip your car apart, checkpoints. There are 2 on NB 25,one open at a time. So Slayer and Bob are correct Cruces wouldn't make much sense."

So a farm in Lordsberge delivering to Deming or to Las Cruces does (of course mobile BP is always a possibility) have to go through a permanent check point? Yes or No?

In my mind that would be the way to go you could hit two semi and one heavily populated area.

However there is such a large population base in Las Cruces that that in it self should be enough of a customer base to grow (no pun intended) into with out trying to distribute product west.

As far a Cartels I do not think at this time they will think of the operation as a big threat. I mean they have a huge customer base while the producers only have 1K people for the whole state. My real concern would be robbery (perhaps from the Cartels) similar to what happened in California. Besides all they can do is beat me up, torture, and kill me. The Feds can lock me up and that would be worse than death it self.

Bottom line: Your best bet to open up a Production for the Las Cruces area would be to locate it on the other sside of a checkpoint,then DELIVER to the LC area and only transport as much as you are delivering.That way you have nothing left when you return and go through the checkpoint.

[coolslayer]

While I admire your candidacy I am looking for Medicinal Marijuana users. This is a great privilege they are allowing and I do not want to even imply I am going to do something illegal.

Sounds like you need to grow your own. There are a lot of good videos on youtube that can help you accomplish this goal.

Also we must realize that it has to be economically feasible to maintain the business. There will be a lot of start up costs and continued expenses the largest will be Rent, Electric, Employees, and Taxes.

To think that this would be for pure fun is a fantasy it will have to be a business. A legal business as I do not want to go to jail or bring bad attention to a privilege so many have fought for.

At this point it is so much bigger than just catching a good buzz.

You have the right idea......too bad some of the current Producers are not good business people.

[coolslayer]

The north/south thing has always been a big issue in NM. The north has always in my opinion viewed any person who lives south of ABQ as a second class citizen. Santa Fe draws the people it does and Madrid isn't far away,heck most all of highway 14 is hella 420 friendly so in this case I understand. It still isn't right though. The south needs product as do most. If you look at our area code map of the state I would say that everyone who is 575 is in need. Hey Slayer say we had a place in Cruces... how do you think it would go getting past the migra? I'm sure they'd be trying real hard to see if people were "under the influence" but legally does what Obama told the DEA apply to the Border Patrol too? I would assume it would but I don't like feeling like an ass. Especially if it involved me going to jail in federal custody!

I think one of the main difficulties is that Northern NM=liberal and Southern NM=conservative.

[bedrockbob]

Lordsburg and Deming are within 100 miles of the border. Deming is bigger and Lordsburg has always been a dope hot spot. Eventhough there is a direct southbound round directly from Deming to Columbus into Palomas,Chihuahua,Mexico. With all of the narcos right along the border I just don't think they'd hassle you too much up in Deming. You must also realize that with the B.LO. product up for grabs and all of the territory as well this war has just begun. Right not Juarez is the hot spot but that can and will change as these POS's fight.



Plaomas is a little hell. The whole border is. The small towns like Lordsburg and Deming may look good logistically, but I think T or C is better politically. You could pull it off there easily and the locals would generally accept. T or C is a cool place. Lots of connections between Las Cruces and T or C and there is the same amount of checkpoints seperating you and the larger market. It is culturally more like Silver City, which would be my second choice. There have always been some awesome patches up by Mimbres and Pinos Altos. Probably lots of MC patients as well.



So who is interested in starting a courrier service?

[coolslayer]

Lordsburg and Deming are within 100 miles of the border. Deming is bigger and Lordsburg has always been a dope hot spot. Eventhough there is a direct southbound round directly from Deming to Columbus into Palomas,Chihuahua,Mexico. With all of the narcos right along the border I just don't think they'd hassle you too much up in Deming. You must also realize that with the B.LO. product up for grabs and all of the territory as well this war has just begun. Right not Juarez is the hot spot but that can and will change as these POS's fight.

ALL SOUTHBOUND ROADS IN NM HAVE NO CHECKPOINTS. EASTBOUND FROM THE ARIZONA LINE,NONE. Now what they do have are what I believe are "trackers", as you drive past a checkpoint there are these lights,cameras, x rays I guess. I really don't know. I believe they use them to see how frequently you are coming and going. So say you make your deliveries and head back with absolutely no Cannabis material in your van. You will be stopped at the checkpoint because the dogs will go crazy smelling the remants of MMJ. The officer would probably smell it too. I don't know how you package it but something to consider. If Slayer is correct that would be my guess as to why they up north no longer deliver past the checkpoints and back. The point is that over time they will figure out what you are doing and could end up getting you with a big load before you can deliver it. I hope that clarifies more,if not. Don't hesitate to keep asking.

Not all the Producers up north have stopped delivering to the southern part of the state,just some have.I'm sure another reason is that there are more Producers now.The smart ones can still deliver to las Cruces by making it their last stop.