Finn'SCRog - Trainwreck & Mystery Sativa

[bigtopsfinn]

Veg Day 1

Hello and welcome to my third grow :)

It's been a while since my last grow. Spent 5 months in Amsterdam doing an internship and had no chance to grow :( But at least there was plenty of overpriced, but still good, bud to be had. Back to the topic; I'm back in frigid Finland and starting my new grow project :dance:

Equipment:

Seeds: Feminized Trainwreck from Greenhouse Seeds Co. Flowering time is 8-9 weeks. Also picked up about a hundred 'Mystery Sativa (MS)' seeds from a local grower. Flowering times are 10-12 weeks for these seeds. Real lineage is unknown, except that they are from a hermie, but I was told that 1 out of 3 was a 'good' plant and wouldn't hermie, so I'm taking my chances. More on that later...
Soil: Testing out a couple different local soils: Rainbow Flower Soil and Biolan Musta Multa. These soils are pre-fertilized, so I won't be using my nutes very much. I'll mix in about a quarter to one third of potting gravel (Closest thing to perlite I can find here, it's very light and airy). For the seedlings I'm using Kekkila Cactus and Seedling soil plus vermiculite.
Nutes: Canna Terra Vega 3-1-4 (for veg if needed) , Canna Terra Flores 2-2-4, Plagron, Green Sensation Top Activator 0-9-10 (Flores for flowering weeks 1-6/7, the top activator for weeks 2-6/7 of flowering as needed)
Light: 400 Watt HPS (getting a new bulb soon, probably Philips Son-T-Plus 55,000 Lumens) with Cooltube 12cm x 39cm long
Ventilation: 1 RUCK Tube fan RK100, 220m³ per hour, (129cfm), 10cm & 12cm ducts. Also a huge (for this setup) 15" axial fan that I'll try to squeeze in somewhere in the closet to move fresh air around.
Odor Control: Active Carbon Filter, 250 m³ per hour. 50cm long with 12cm connections, approx. 2,3 kg active carbon filling
Closet & Cabinet: Now a new cabinet: 97cm x 57cm x 174cm tall (38in. x 22.5in. x 68.5in.) for veg and flowering. I kept my old closet: 57cm x 57cm x 172cm tall (22.5in x 22.5in. x 67.5in.) to be used as a 'dark room' for the MS's, as they will be flowering sooner than the TW's (also temporary veg room)
Vegetation: 18/6 light cycle

Up until today:

Germinated the last two Trainwreck (TW) seeds I had on Monday Jan. 18. Then decided the next day to sprout three of the Mystery Sativas (MS) hoping to get at least one that wouldn't hermie.

One of the TW's, TW2, emerged from the soil on Jan. 21 and is doing great. MS2 and MS3 are just poking out of the soil today, Jan. 23. I can see TW1 just beneath the soil surface trying to come up. MS1 is nowhere to be seen, but I did germinate it in a cup of water (BTW - not recommended but I didn't know how old these seeds were...) so it should pop through in a couple days.

The Plans:

The TW's will be veged for about 4-5 weeks. I'll LST first and then start the Scrog just before flipping the lights. Each TW will have their own screen cut into a triangular shape (makes it easier to move around and flush). Might also take some clones before flowering.

I'm expecting for MS's to hermie, so I'll only veg them for a week or two before putting them in the dark room for 12 hours every night to initiate flowering. If I find a good MS, I'll grow it out, harvest and re-veg to take clones from. I don't think I'll be putting these under a screen, don't really want to waste my time if they are going to hermie. But some LST will definitely be done.

I'm expecting now that 2 of the MS's will hermie and be killed off, so I'll also try to take a couple clones from the better TW. I really want to keep my plant count down to 5 total (including clones) but we'll see how it goes.



I'll be updating about once a week, more if there's anything else going on. Hope you enjoy the show! :jointsmile:

Pic 1: New cabinet. Still need some duct, fresh active carbon and a new HPS before I put it together.
Pic 2: TW2 under a 20w CFL
Pic 3: TW1, MS1, MS2 and MS3
Pic 4: MS2 poking out with seed hull still attached :mad:
Pic 5: MS3 emerging

[Buffalo Soldier]

subscribed.......can't wait to see this one!!:thumbsup:

[redtails]

Sounds good, I'll be sure to check it out!

[bigtopsfinn]

Nice to have you aboard Buffalo and Redtails :jointsmile:

Little update: MS2 was looking really shitty with the seed hull attached. The poor thing was just laying on the soil, so I decided to do something about it. With surgical precision, I took 2 sewing needles and carefully managed to pry it open. Let me tell ya, it was shut pretty good. One half is still attached so I just put it back with the others and hoping it will open up normally now. I also sprayed a little water to soften up the shell before its operation. Not too worried about it ATM, still have plenty of those seeds, and they were free. Now I'm just really counting on the second TW to surface... fingers crossed.

[frostedwonder]

Hey I wouldn't miss this grow! Pulling up a couch and getting comfy...:thumbsup:

[MonkeyBone]

4 girls in an enclosed location, sexy things on the horizon!!!

:thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

Hiya Frosted and MonkeyBone :noel:


No sign of the other TW or 2 MS's, so I'm germinating a couple more of the MS's just in case. Not having another TW would be a big disappointment, but I'll take what I can get at this point :( I'll still be scrogin the 1 TW, just might have to veg it a little longer so I can get some more out of it.

Thanks for stoppin by :jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

Just a quick update:

Finally got the new closet put together, temps are a little high, between 28-30C, but I'm not too worried about it. I bought a new 400w Philips Son-T-Plus HPS bulb and fresh active carbon, but I won't be installing them until the plants get a little bigger. For now I'm going without a carbon filter and using my old 400w which has been through 2 full grows.

TW1 and MS2 are doing great. They've been under their own 20w CFL's for the week and just now put them into the new closet.

TW2 didn't make it, also had some bad luck (or just poor gardening on my part) with some of the other MS seedlings.

Started 4 more MS and they all surfaced a couple days ago. Now they're in the corner of the new grow room.

Couple pics for ya, another update next week :jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

Hey that is one hellava fan you have in your cabinet! It will do the job nicely for sure. When I switched to new fresh bulbs I could almost hear my plants thank me...almost I mean I am not that crazy...or am I? lol

[bigtopsfinn]

Hey that is one hellava fan you have in your cabinet! It will do the job nicely for sure. When I switched to new fresh bulbs I could almost hear my plants thank me...almost I mean I am not that crazy...or am I? lol

haha yup the fan looks ridiculous, I know :rastasmoke: haven't found a smaller one for cheap enough yet (I have to be stingy cuz uh da wifey :D). I think it'll do just fine to move the air around in there, plenty of empty space at the top.

Crazy? You? Naaahhhh :jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

Welcome back to the Log Forum, Finn. Looks like a first class set up from the start. I'm due for a new 400 W HPS and was thinking EYE Hortilux. Why did you decide on that Philips Son-T ?

Good luck!

Shov

[bigtopsfinn]

Welcome back to the Log Forum, Finn. Looks like a first class set up from the start. I'm due for a new 400 W HPS and was thinking EYE Hortilux. Why did you decide on that Philips Son-T ?

Good luck!

Shov

Thanks Shov, good to be back.

Honestly I didn't research much about the bulbs, I had to buy what I could get at the local grow shop, and this was the cheapest, 39 â?¬, rip off!

Anyways I can't really order anything from the internet anymore, because the Finnish Gestapo have a habit of getting search warrants for these kinds of orders. All international letter and package mail goes through central customs in Helsinki, and if any cannabis related grow materials are found, they alert the local police. They wait for you to get setup with the grow, and then come bust you.

One grow shop in Helsinki got raided for "facilitating drug cultivation", owners were arrested, customer records seized, and search warrants for those customers were issued. What a fucking country!

:angry3:

Sorry for the rant, wish I had a smarter answer for ya Shov. Keep up the good work :jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

Shit the bed. That's brutal, Finn. :(

[bigtopsfinn]

Been over two weeks since the TW and MS1 emerged. They got some new containers this week mixed with 2 parts potting gravel, 2 parts seedling soil and one part Rainbow flower soil.

The other four MS seedlings are now just over a week old and looking very good as well.

The 'fan-o-plenty' :D has been replaced by a smaller, noisier :wtf: fan (5â?¬, what should I expect?), but at least this one could be positioned to blow over the tops and strengthen up the stems a little.

Front and center is the lone TW.

[drdettroilet]

what up finn. i went through your grow sites. pretty neat. I curious to know what happened to the third grow. I have 16 girls in 3 gal pots under 1 400w hps,1 600 w hps. I like the 600w very much. I'am 27 days into veg, doing the lst method. I use tie wire instead of thread, its got to be easer, but still a bitch. Anyhow , i wanted to know what happened and ill try to post some pictures today

[bigtopsfinn]

I curious to know what happened to the third grow.

You're in it! :jointsmile: This is actually my third grow... had to take a long break from growing since the 'Two Trainwrecks' log because of vacation, moving to Amsterdam, vacation, and finally moving to a new place.

Tie wire sounds easier, as long as it has a smooth coating and doesn't scrape and tear the stems.

600w should be good stuff, wish I had one... but actually for me, the 400w produces enough. I'm already paranoid about the noise in my apartment from my tiny little inline fan, and cooling a 600w with my space would take a huge investment, and the wifey no likey that ;)

[drdettroilet]

yea , got the wire at a grow shop, so its purpose made. I'am going lst for the yeild. First time lsting, so a few questions please. Did you keep tiying in the flower stage and what did you yeild per plant roughly? This is my third grow,so maybe we can exchange tips. Right now all i have is , dont go cheep on the soil or nutes and stay away from mirical grow products.I was running 2 different 400w setups, now i have 1 400 ,1 600w hps.. I can tell how much thicker and bushier the 600 is. Not much different on heat, that my become an issue later in the year. no difference on the utilities, amazimg that is.I use earthe juice products. They seem to do the job. peace out.

[bigtopsfinn]

yea , got the wire at a grow shop, so its purpose made. I'am going lst for the yeild. First time lsting, so a few questions please. Did you keep tiying in the flower stage and what did you yeild per plant roughly? This is my third grow,so maybe we can exchange tips. Right now all i have is , dont go cheep on the soil or nutes and stay away from mirical grow products.I was running 2 different 400w setups, now i have 1 400 ,1 600w hps.. I can tell how much thicker and bushier the 600 is. Not much different on heat, that my become an issue later in the year. no difference on the utilities, amazimg that is.I use earthe juice products. They seem to do the job. peace out.

Kinda difficult to estimate the yield, I think it was about 50-60 grams dried for my 1 plant with only LST. When I did the Scrog, the final yield was weighed at 55 grams dry per plant (probably closer to 60 as I smoked some of them before the harvests and cure).

From looking at other pictures of TW on the internet, I'd say my LST yielded more than just letting it grow normally. Plus TW is not the highest yielding strain, it's actually pretty poor in yield, but excellent in quality...

With my first grow I didn't do much LST into flowering except to spread out the main colas a little to open up the middle, but no serious bending. In Scrog, however, I did train the plants into the screen for 2-3 weeks into flowering while they were stretching.

You should start up a grow log, I'll definitely come check it out :jointsmile:

[RemulusRomus]

Thanks Shov, good to be back.

Honestly I didn't research much about the bulbs, I had to buy what I could get at the local grow shop, and this was the cheapest, 39 â?¬, rip off!

Anyways I can't really order anything from the internet anymore, because the Finnish Gestapo have a habit of getting search warrants for these kinds of orders. All international letter and package mail goes through central customs in Helsinki, and if any cannabis related grow materials are found, they alert the local police. They wait for you to get setup with the grow, and then come bust you.

One grow shop in Helsinki got raided for "facilitating drug cultivation", owners were arrested, customer records seized, and search warrants for those customers were issued. What a fucking country!

:angry3:

Sorry for the rant, wish I had a smarter answer for ya Shov. Keep up the good work :jointsmile:

Looks great! Wanted to ask you (as i live in Finland too and want to grow my first lowryder2 plant) what if I just order all the stuff (beside seeds) from internet and do not plant, will i get something if they find all the equipment? Or should i just bring stuff from Holland on holiday trip?

Sorry for a hijack, i was reading your first grow log before this :)

[MerryPrankstr]

I'm interested in seeing how some of Arjan's stuff runs, too.
Subscribed !!!

[bigtopsfinn]

Looks great! Wanted to ask you (as i live in Finland too and want to grow my first lowryder2 plant) what if I just order all the stuff (beside seeds) from internet and do not plant, will i get something if they find all the equipment? Or should i just bring stuff from Holland on holiday trip?

Sorry for a hijack, i was reading your first grow log before this :)

Hey dude no problem :jointsmile:

My friend ordered all his grow equipment from Germany, and his seeds from Greenhouse Seeds in the Netherlands, but never put anything together. Two months later the cops showed up at his door with a dog and search warrant (he believes it because of the greenhouse seeds), but no charges were brought up and they didn't take anything either.

However, as I understand the law, even the intent to grow is against the law, so that can be understood in different ways.


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My suggestion would be to order everything to a trustworthy friend's house, who can say he sold it all to some unknown person who paid cash. This trustworthy person, however, should not have anything illegal in their home, because the police will most likely come knocking one day.

Or, grow some chilli with your setup, wait for the cops, and when they do come, file a complaint like everyone else: Police Raids of Home Gardens Spark Controversy | News | YLE Uutiset | yle.fi (http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2010/02/police_raids_of_home_gardens_spark_controversy_141 8687.html) :D

You might want to ask around on the local Finnish "hamppuforuum" for better advice ;)

[purplekush989]

Finn,
Your first trainwreck growlog was fantastic and inspired me to LST. Maybe after keeping up with this one I might dabble in Scrog. Good luck, and update religiously! For I shall be following in the exact same manner.

[PhatJay]

Looking forward to following and learning from this one. *subscribed*

What's that black rectangular thing in the bottom left hand corner with gaffa tape round the edges?

[bigtopsfinn]

What's that black rectangular thing in the bottom left hand corner with gaffa tape round the edges?

It's my wife's old pantyhose that I cut to size for my passive intake :D Acts as a filter for dust and helps to light proof.

Nice to have you along PhatJay, MerryPrankstr and purplekush :jointsmile: Hope I don't disappoint :rastasmoke:

[RemulusRomus]

Hey dude no problem :jointsmile:

My friend ordered all his grow equipment from Germany, and his seeds from Greenhouse Seeds in the Netherlands, but never put anything together. Two months later the cops showed up at his door with a dog and search warrant (he believes it because of the greenhouse seeds), but no charges were brought up and they didn't take anything either.

However, as I understand the law, even the intent to grow is against the law, so that can be understood in different ways.



My suggestion would be to order everything to a trustworthy friend's house, who can say he sold it all to some unknown person who paid cash. This trustworthy person, however, should not have anything illegal in their home, because the police will most likely come knocking one day.

Or, grow some chilli with your setup, wait for the cops, and when they do come, file a complaint like everyone else: Police Raids of Home Gardens Spark Controversy | News | YLE Uutiset | yle.fi (http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2010/02/police_raids_of_home_gardens_spark_controversy_141 8687.html) :D

You might want to ask around on the local Finnish "hamppuforuum" for better advice ;)

Kiitos!!, that helped a lot actually. Still leaves me wonder, if all those companies use stealth delivery and boxes are not opened - how customs know whats inside. This year i got seeds from UPS courier straight to the door(over 800â?¬ box for friends that grow in Russia), sealed box and all.... he left me two lowryder 2 seeds to try...i guess ill wait for cops to arrive first :hippy:

[bigtopsfinn]

Kiitos!!, that helped a lot actually. Still leaves me wonder, if all those companies use stealth delivery and boxes are not opened - how customs know whats inside. This year i got seeds from UPS courier straight to the door(over 800â?¬ box for friends that grow in Russia), sealed box and all.... he left me two lowryder 2 seeds to try...i guess ill wait for cops to arrive first :hippy:

I believe they X-ray or somehow scan everything :abduct: With stealth packaging you might be OK, but at least greenhouse seeds don't stealth package, they brand package and send a nice big seed catalog. My friend thinks this is the reason they came to his house.

I think it also depends a little on which city or town you are in... the customs may report it, but sometimes the police have better things to do than run around trying to bust growers... sometimes :wtf:

[Gare0440]

cant wait to see the scrog, your a good mentor of the chronic fin:rastasmoke:

[bigtopsfinn]

cant wait to see the scrog, your a good mentor of the chronic fin:rastasmoke:

Thanks Gare :jointsmile:

I'm still learning, but try to help others where I can.

Unfortunately I'm in an uphill battle right now. They have all been growing very slowly IMO. Reasons for this:
1. I've had the old hps on them (this light has been used for almost 3000 hours)
2. Low humidity
3. Not enough nutrients
4. Possibly the soil sucks, it's the cheaper stuff. Next repot I'll probably just use the more expensive one if problems persist.

Yesterday I decided to change the 400w hps bulb, and transplanted the younger ones into 1 liter containers.

Been misting them with water.

Plants are yellowing due to what I believe is a Nitrogen deficiency. TW and MS1 (the 2 older plants) are already recovering from this, but now the 4 younger MS's are having the same problem. I have given them all a 1/3 dose of the Canna Veg nutes plus about 1/3 dose of seaweed extract. Hopefully the younger ones recover in the next couple days like the older ones did.

This is one of the drawbacks of growing in soil. You never know what exactly you're getting with soil, and it's difficult to fix problems with nutrients. I think I'll try coco next time.

Plans are also changing. :mad: I will probably have a visitor coming to my home in May, which means I need to be over and done with the grow by then. This means no cloning :(, no re-veg :mad: , and the MS's will have to start flowering next week :mad:. I'll let the TW veg for about another month.

[bigtopsfinn]

22 days from breaking the soil for the TW and MS1. The other 4 MS are about a week younger.

Like I said in the previous post, they are starving for Nitrogen and are slowly getting better. The MS1 is looking the best, and the TW is not far behind. The other 4 MS's are slowly recovering. I increased the distance to the light to help in the recovery.

Also put in the carbon filter when I changed to the new 400w HPS light.

I'm having to guess at this point when my guest will arrive, sometime in the end of May, so I'm planning to flower all 5 MS's starting Feb 24, (11 more days of veg) to give them 12 weeks of flowering time if needed. The TW can wait until March 17 to flower, so if all goes well, it should be a pretty good sized scrog for the TW.

Here are some pics. In the first pic, front right is the TW, front left is the MS1. The other 4 in the taller containers are the other MS's.

MS1 is looking to be quite sativa dominant next to the TW. The other 4 MS's are showing some variations.

[headshake]

what's good finn? can't believe i haven't seen this grow before now. you know i'm along for the ride.

as far as soil, you pretty much get what you pay for. if you get a good soil you know exactly what you are getting. this go round i've been using bioterra from biocanna. it's about $25/1.5 cuft. bag, but it seems to work really well. i know biobizz soil rocks as well. the all-mix is pre-ferted, but it's all organic.

i think you will be very happy with the TW! i've seen first hand what beauts they can turn into. i've also been lucky enough to procure some cuttings from a few of them as well. (see attached pic!)

keep up the great work my friend! inspiring as always!


-shake

this pic is about 2 weeks old too! done with organics.

[bigtopsfinn]

Very nice Shake :thumbsup:

Yeah I wish I could get some decent soil, but the nearest grow shop is over 100km away, and I ain't got no car mang! :D Oh well, I'm trying some different soils, and started with seedling soil this time instead of the regular pre-ferted soil. I don't why I did this, since I haven't had problems so far with young seedlings in pre-ferted soil, but I decided to go by the book this time, and now look where it got me :( My ladies got hungry...

Can't say it's a total loss yet, they're still growing, and I just transplanted the TW and MS into bigger containers as they started to droop, and were quite rootbound. Also gave them 2/3 dose of the Canna Terra Vega plus 2/3 dose of seaweed extract.

Might try some foliar feeding on one of the younger MS's just to see if that helps with the N deficiency. I'm willing to sacrifice one of those for the sake of personal enlightenment. :jointsmile:

[headshake]

can't take credit for the TW Finn, it's irydyums! i do however have some cuts from that bad bitch!

i hear ya loud and clear about the soil. you obviously know what you are doing!

foliar feeding should help cure up that N deficiency.

also, be careful with those sativas! they ALL have a tendency to hermie!

keep up the great work! sucks about the car/grow shop conundrum.


-shake

[superskunk1]

Looking real nice bigtops, I'm looking forward to following this thread and learning as much as I can.

Not to get off topic but I cut the Haze (sativa hermie) and am going to put another one into flower real soon. Hope you don't run into any of those problems.

[bigtopsfinn]

also, be careful with those sativas! they ALL have a tendency to hermie!


Not to get off topic but I cut the Haze (sativa hermie) and am going to put another one into flower real soon. Hope you don't run into any of those problems.

You guys trying to jinx me or what :wtf:

j/k :D Not getting my hopes up with the MS, they are all from a hermie(s). Not sure if it was a genetic or stress issue that caused it, but the guy I got the seeds from still grows these out and says sometimes they hermie, and sometimes they don't.

As long as the TW's doing well, I'm happy. But it would be nice to have a sativa on hand. Thanks for stopping by :jointsmile:

[headshake]

i would never try to jinx you Finn!

-shake

[personified]

Your reply to my post got me interested in your documentation and excellent grows. I am now a thread stalker as well :)

Thanks for all the good info :thumbsup:

[driftersmokinjo]

i'll be around. i have a tw strain from g h as well to start 1 day. :thumbsup:

[LetsSeeYa]

Hey Finn just read your last grow and started this one:thumbsup:. I really like your set-up. I have a cab like yours iv always thought of using, but until i get better lights i think il put it off. The cfl's are good for now, but if i used my big cab, i would need at least a 400hps like your using. Some day:hippy:

After your last grow i cant wait to see this one. Looks like you have been tweaking your set up for the perfect grow. But even if it turned out like your last, its going to be a great grow:jointsmile:

:weedpoke:

Keep er green my man:rasta:

[superskunk1]

You guys trying to jinx me or what :wtf:

j/k :D Not getting my hopes up with the MS, they are all from a hermie(s). Not sure if it was a genetic or stress issue that caused it, but the guy I got the seeds from still grows these out and says sometimes they hermie, and sometimes they don't.

As long as the TW's doing well, I'm happy. But it would be nice to have a sativa on hand. Thanks for stopping by :jointsmile:

"jinx" No never that :stoned:
Everything will go fine, I blame myself for my baby herming on me

[bigtopsfinn]

Your reply to my post got me interested in your documentation and excellent grows. I am now a thread stalker as well :)

Thanks for all the good info :thumbsup:

Welcome and your welcome :jointsmile: These logs help me a lot also. I should be logging my feedings here too, but I think it would just get too cluttered.


i'll be around. i have a tw strain from g h as well to start 1 day. :thumbsup:

Start her up, I've been more than pleased with mine so far. :thumbsup:


Hey Finn just read your last grow and started this one:thumbsup:. I really like your set-up. I have a cab like yours iv always thought of using, but until i get better lights i think il put it off. The cfl's are good for now, but if i used my big cab, i would need at least a 400hps like your using. Some day:hippy:

After your last grow i cant wait to see this one. Looks like you have been tweaking your set up for the perfect grow. But even if it turned out like your last, its going to be a great grow:jointsmile:

:weedpoke:

Keep er green my man:rasta:

Thanks LSY :) I'm happy to have the extra space now... using my 400w in the old closet was a bit overkill... If you make the switch one day, you won't regret it. Just need to remember to invest in the right ventilation and you won't have as many headaches ;) I'm sure you've seen FrostedWonder's grow, I'd use that as an example. He's got a much bigger fan with a speed controller. That's what I'll be looking for next.


"jinx" No never that :stoned:
Everything will go fine, I blame myself for my baby herming on me


I haven't been the best caretaker in these first weeks. Seems like I've forgotten everything after not growing for 9+ months. As long as I get 1 or 2 keepers from the Sativas I'll be happy. I'm not expecting problems with the TW although according to GHS they have a 20-30% chance of hermie :wtf:


Nice to have you all here :thumbsup: Happy growing :jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

So here's day 29 of veg for TW and MS1 (in the red buckets). The rest of the MS are about 22 days old now (black containers).

I'm happy to say that they are all looking great. They've been getting 2/3 to full strength Canna Terra Vega nutrients. They all have new containers as well. Today I repotted (again) the TW and MS1 (they were in other containers for less then a week and got rootbound again :wtf:)

2 of the bigger MS's were repotted Wednesday, and the smaller 2 this morning.

Also started to LST this week. They've all been trained on different days, but today I re-trained all of them.

First 2 pics are before training, last one is after training. Enjoy :jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

I'm starting to flower all 5 MS tonight. I light-proofed my old cab and will be moving them manually until the TW is ready for flowering.

The TW will be vegged for another 2-3 weeks.

.................................................. ..............

First 2 pics are the 5 MS (4 in black containers are about 24 days from breaking ground, the one in the red is 30 days)

Last 2 pics are the TW after a little more training at 30 days from breaking ground.

[Buffalo Soldier]

hey finn.plants look great........TW is some powerful stuff:D

curious as to why you are flowering so young: is it because you know their max height attainable or are u just sexing early??

sorry about the ?'s man but this short stuff is quite a science:thumbsup:

peace....buffalo:stoned:

[bigtopsfinn]

hey finn.plants look great........TW is some powerful stuff:D

Thanks! Indeed it is :stoned:


curious as to why you are flowering so young: is it because you know their max height attainable or are u just sexing early??

I will be having a guest coming to my home in late May, and I have to take all this down by then :(

I'm figuring that I need about 10-12 weeks for these to flower. The TW takes 8-9 weeks, so that'll give me at least a week to chop, dry, and put in curing jars before my guest arrives.


sorry about the ?'s man but this short stuff is quite a science:thumbsup:

peace....buffalo:stoned:

No worries, ask away :)

With the TW vegging for 2-3 more weeks I can expect 60+ grams dried harvest, which is more than enough to get me through the summer, then (hopefully) moving back to Amsterdam :dance:

The original plan was to have 2 TW's, but one didn't make it out of the soil (my fault), and these sativas are kind of just for kicks. They should all be female as they're from a hermaphrodite, but the person who gifted the seeds to me said that only 1 in 3 were 'good plants'. Anyways, I'll be happy if I get just one keeper.

Talking about the 'short stuff', I'd like to one day try OldMac's method of using clones to fill up the lighting space and flower them with little to no veg time, a mini SOG if you will. Say, 25 clones, each producing 10-20 grams each, with a 400w light, gives you that ~1gram/watt. That's just off the top of my head, but anyways that's the idea. I'm just more afraid of the plant numbers... I think it's safer to have 5 huge trees vs. 25 smaller ones (at least when the law is based on # of plants).

Thanks for checking it out :jointsmile:

[headshake]

what's good Finn? not trying to jinx you again, but i've seen two TWs hermie recently. where did you get the info from greenhouse about them herming if you don't mind me asking.

keep up the good work. and damn those house guests!


-shake

[bigtopsfinn]

what's good Finn? not trying to jinx you again, but i've seen two TWs hermie recently. where did you get the info from greenhouse about them herming if you don't mind me asking.

keep up the good work. and damn those house guests!


-shake

It was from IC, in the GHS section, in a thread called 'Trainwreck... this is what I got' post #161 - no sign of hermies from that poster.

Some people say that the 'real clone-only Arcata TW cut' will also hermie, some say it doesn't... don't really know who to believe :wtf: as these things are pretty hard to verify.

[stra8outtaWeed]

lookin good for an old HPS...that's work!

do you have a ratchet on your closet rod for raising and lowering your light? i noticed how the chain wraps around it...clever! :thumbsup:

nice grow!

[bigtopsfinn]

Just a quick update... All are doing very well.

TW is still in veg, maybe in another week it will get the screen (if it keeps growing like this :)). Then flower it in about 2-2.5 weeks.

All 5 MS's have been flowering now seven days, starting to see some calyxes forming. I've been tying them down a little to try and expose more shoots and it's starting to pay off. Once the buds start forming I'll stop training except to maybe even out the canopy if one shoot starts to really 'run away'.

I've been watering them about every 4-5 days, and now that the roots have had a chance to grow into the pots, it'll probably be every 3-4 days. The TW and MS1 (larger containers) have a different soil which I think is 'hotter' (better quality, more expensive too), so they received plain water today. Every time before this they have all received full doses of Canna nutrients, 5ml/liter, Terra Vega for the TW, and Terra Flores for the MS's. Also giving them 10ml/L of the seaweed stuff, doesn't seem to be hurting, so why not :jointsmile:

In the pics, the TW is on the far left and the MS1 (the oldest of the MS by about a week) is on the far right. I think the MS1 is a runt, very small leaves compared to the others... not just narrow, just small.

[bigtopsfinn]

lookin good for an old HPS...that's work!

do you have a ratchet on your closet rod for raising and lowering your light? i noticed how the chain wraps around it...clever! :thumbsup:

nice grow!

Got a new bulb in a couple weeks ago, and working out really well :thumbsup:

No wratchet, just 4 of these small safety hooks. Hard to explain but on the rod on the left side, the safety hook is fastened to the chain so it won't move. The chain actually goes through the hooks on the light, and then it's fastened again on the right side on the rod... Does that make sense???... I leave the extra chain on that right side, so if I want to lower or raise the light, I only have to undo that hook, and wrap or unwrap the chain on that spot, and re-hook it.

Thanks for stopping by :jointsmile:

[stra8outtaWeed]

very ingeniuos way of raising and lowering your light!

leave it to pot growers....we are part engineers sometimes! :thumbsup:

[headshake]

very ingeniuos way of raising and lowering your light!

leave it to pot growers....we are part engineers sometimes! :thumbsup:

at least part of the time!!!


keep up the good work Finn. i look forward to seeing a ScROG.


-shake

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks Shake! Just bought some chicken wire... SCRoG will be up in a couple days I think...:)

Update: HERMIES on 4/5 MS... no surprise

I already cut one of them down a couple days ago... I think I'll try to prune the nanners on the other 3 for a while, just to get some more potency out of them. I'll probably cut them down early anyways just for some smoke. Hopefully the 1 good MS will stay nanner free :wtf:

[frostedwonder]

Hopefully at least one of those MS can stay hermie free! Even a bag seed strain that you have already grown out and know it hermies often you would still think you could get one good one once and awhile.

[personified]

Damn MJ Hermies reminds me of Michael Jackson. Cause I'm BAD so BAD LMFAO!!!

[bigtopsfinn]

Hopefully at least one of those MS can stay hermie free! Even a bag seed strain that you have already grown out and know it hermies often you would still think you could get one good one once and awhile.

Did a good check-up on the 4 remaining, and still have 1 that is hermie-free :D Picked off all the balls that I saw today, turned off the fan inside the cab also for precaution.

I said earlier I'd be happy if just 1 made it... but still not so happy :(

Oh well, still have the TW which is looking good, and I'll be picking off the balls as they come, until I get tired of it, and chop for some smoke. :rastasmoke:


Damn MJ Hermies reminds me of Michael Jackson. Cause I'm BAD so BAD LMFAO!!!

:S2:

[bigtopsfinn]

So, 3 MS's got chopped down already, they hermied really bad. I kept one of the hermie MS's and trying to pick off the balls as they come. It's sitting in the corner, no fan, so hopefully it won't pollinate the other one.

TW is still in veg for another week. Put the screen on top to promote lateral growth.

Pics: TW on the left, all female MS in the center, and hermied MS on the right.

[Shovelhandle]

so your hermi plants put out viable stamen? I had a crop of afghani hermie from stress (cut lights out for five days vacation) and they produced lots and lots of individual bananas that were sterile and produced no pollen. This is unusual as it is the natural occuring hermi plant that is more likely to produce sterile male stamen than the artificially induced hermies.

[bigtopsfinn]

so your hermi plants put out viable stamen? I had a crop of afghani hermie from stress (cut lights out for five days vacation) and they produced lots and lots of individual bananas that were sterile and produced no pollen. This is unusual as it is the natural occuring hermi plant that is more likely to produce sterile male stamen than the artificially induced hermies.

hmm... good question. I've been picking off the nanners and didn't find any pollen, but I was assuming that the stamen didn't have a chance to produce it yet.

Since these are S1 seeds (seeds from a hermaphrodite) I also assumed that these hermies could produce viable pollen and seeds also.

Now we all know what happens when you AssUMe :wtf: and maybe I jumped the gun on chopping... but in my defense, I'd rather have 2 perfect plants that'll last me through the summer until I'm back in Amsterdam, than have 5 seeded plants.

Thanks for the comment Shove, it's peaked my interest to study a little bit further into the phenomenon :thumbsup:

[Buffalo Soldier]

hey finn....

glad to see that your grow is going well.......seems a bit risky to me keeping that hermie in the same room with your girls......but I don't have your wisdom......

curious as to why cfl's take longer to show preflowers than the HID's?

by the way, how much of the TW do you go through a day.......

everything looks great!!

buffalo:rastasmoke:

[bigtopsfinn]

hey finn....

glad to see that your grow is going well.......seems a bit risky to me keeping that hermie in the same room with your girls......but I don't have your wisdom......

curious as to why cfl's take longer to show preflowers than the HID's?

by the way, how much of the TW do you go through a day.......

everything looks great!!

buffalo:rastasmoke:

Hey Buffalo

I'm curious to see how the hermie grows out... I've been doing my best to pick off the balls, just did it again today. I don't think it will stay alive too much longer, maybe a week or two. It's sitting in the corner by itself farthest from the intake, and with no fan blowing around in the room.

As for CFL's vs. HPS, I'd say it's because an HPS grows plants faster (and are more efficient watt for watt) so the plants mature faster.

Haven't smoked my TW since after the last summer. but it was plenty potent, so if I wanted to stay high all day, I needed about a gram that I rolled into joints (4-5 per day). Depends how much I've been smoking too, tolerance goes up, etc., but then I cut back a little.

For now I've been smoking the hermie plants I chopped up, just leaves, but still works for me since I didn't smoke for 2 months until about a week ago. Little :stoned: right now :)

[PhatJay]

I must admit I am curious about TW, a lot of people on these forums seem to grow it, but I don't think I have ever smoked any. I am considering buying some seeds for my next grow, obviously it's potent, but what does TW taste like?

[bigtopsfinn]

I must admit I am curious about TW, a lot of people on these forums seem to grow it, but I don't think I have ever smoked any. I am considering buying some seeds for my next grow, obviously it's potent, but what does TW taste like?

I would hesitate to buy it again, or any other feminized seeds for that matter. There seems to be a lot of problems with hermies, although I haven't had that problem yet (knocks on wood).

The taste, well, it's nothing to brag about. Might have been my curing techniques (or lack thereof), but it had a sweet and pungent aroma and smoke also. I wouldn't call it smooth , because it gave you that little tingle in your throat, which I always attribute to high thc content (or weed that gives me a strong effect). It's not the biggest yielder either, but it is definitely potent. In Amsterdam I tried Greenhouse's TW at their coffeeshop, it had pretty much the same flavor but wasn't as potent IMO.

If you have the possibility to clone and maintain mothers, I think it's more than possible to buy a 5 or 10 pack of TW feminized and find a keeper for a mother plant. That's really the best way to go. Either that, or find the 'real' Arcata TW in clone. But it seems like that's been passed around so much and everyone claims to have the 'real' one, while results do vary. :wtf:

[Buffalo Soldier]

I must admit I am curious about TW, a lot of people on these forums seem to grow it, but I don't think I have ever smoked any. I am considering buying some seeds for my next grow, obviously it's potent, but what does TW taste like?


If you are familiar to bag seed bud and rarely try the top shelf strains, TW will couch lock your ass:D

Give it a go.......

[Buffalo Soldier]

So, 3 MS's got chopped down already, they hermied really bad. I kept one of the hermie MS's and trying to pick off the balls as they come. It's sitting in the corner, no fan, so hopefully it won't pollinate the other one.

TW is still in veg for another week. Put the screen on top to promote lateral growth.

Pics: TW on the left, all female MS in the center, and hermied MS on the right.


noticed that you don't anchor that screen down too much........is it not necessary?......just open up the plant as much as possible and let the screen rise with the plant growth??

thanks for all the advice Finn...funny to hear you say that your home grown is stronger than the amsterdam coffee shop:thumbsup:

[PhatJay]

The taste, well, it's nothing to brag about.

Not for me then, given a choice I like fruity/tasty weed, not just strength. I have been offered some White Rhino cuttings, a friend is growing from them now, so depending on how he gets on/it tastes I might try those.


If you are familiar to bag seed bud and rarely try the top shelf strains, TW will couch lock your ass:D

I am growing from cuttings atm, when I buy weed I think I am quite lucky and do get some "top shelf" stuff. I had a choice of 4 really nice strains over christmas (inc L.A. Confidential) but my dealer doesn't always know what variety he is selling. We also get a lot of Cheese here, I like the hit, but I am not keen on the chemical/earthy taste.

[bigtopsfinn]

noticed that you don't anchor that screen down too much........is it not necessary?......just open up the plant as much as possible and let the screen rise with the plant growth??

thanks for all the advice Finn...funny to hear you say that your home grown is stronger than the amsterdam coffee shop:thumbsup:

The screen is duct taped to the wall on 2 sides to hold it in place, but otherwise it's not anchored to the plant or pot yet. I'm not letting anything grow above the screen yet. As soon as a shoot pokes through the screen, I pull it back under and stretch it out farther. This way the plant doesn't really have a chance to push up on the screen much.

Eventually I'll anchor it to the main stem in a couple places, when I see the need for it. With this way I can still take the plant out of the closet if I need to without taking the screen with it. I'll do a final transplant to a 20L bucket (now in 15L) probably a week or two into flowering so it has fresh soil for the last 6-7 weeks. By the third week it should stop stretching, start forming buds, and I'll let everything start to grow above the screen. At least that's the plan :)

[headshake]

looking nice Finn. sorry to hear about those damn hermies! bitches need to learn to keep their balls tucked in, like buffalo bill (not a shot at the buffalo soldier!)!

-shake

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks Shake :jointsmile:

Seems to be no stopping that herm... picked off about 40-50 balls a few days ago, seems like there are even more on it now, needs another picking tomorrow...

[headshake]

holy hell!

-shake

[bigtopsfinn]

Chopped the last hermie, just way too many balls. Still didn't find any pollen, so it may have been sterile, but really didn't want to risk it. Need a perfect harvest.

TW will go into flowering tonight. The screen is starting to fill up. I think it will stretch a lot in the next 2 weeks and fill up most of the screen.

MS is 3 weeks into flowering now, looking very nice.


Pic 1 is the TW and MS side by side
Pics 2 & 3 are the TW Scrog
Pic 4 is the biggest bud site on the MS

[KillerBudG]

Looking good, :thumbsup: Cant wait to see them TW back in action again. Can't wait to get my hands on some TW and a list of others:D. Later:hippy:


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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[bigtopsfinn]

Nice to see you around here. What's going on with you?

[Buffalo Soldier]

Chopped the last hermie, just way too many balls. Still didn't find any pollen, so it may have been sterile, but really didn't want to risk it. Need a perfect harvest.

TW will go into flowering tonight. The screen is starting to fill up. I think it will stretch a lot in the next 2 weeks and fill up most of the screen.

MS is 3 weeks into flowering now, looking very nice.


Pic 1 is the TW and MS side by side
Pics 2 & 3 are the TW Scrog
Pic 4 is the biggest bud site on the MS

Great shots Finn.........are u a believer in the bigger the roots the bigger the buds??

.......I understand the scrog finally:cool:

[bigtopsfinn]

Great shots Finn.........are u a believer in the bigger the roots the bigger the buds??

Yes!:jointsmile:

And speaking off, the TW drank all its water in less than 2.5 days, which tells me it's time for the larger container (in a 15L now). I'll put it in a 5 gal tomorrow maybe, and do the cake stacking technique to give the roots a ton of room (effectively it will be a 6-7 gal). I'm expecting big things yield wise from this one, even though TW isn't known for its yield.

I was reading another thread by a grower who could only have 6 plants due to the law, and he found that by using much larger containers, the plants had better yields. He was using 10gal containers to finish in.

Personally, I'd rather use the SOG method, filling up the grow area with clones and flowering them with little to no veg time. This would give you a greater yield per month.

[Buffalo Soldier]

sould we expect to see a SOG/ CLONE grow??.........

Would love to see you max out the square footage!!:D


your roots are growing very quick........probably the HPS:):thumbsup:


peace

[bigtopsfinn]

sould we expect to see a SOG/ CLONE grow??.........

Always planning :jointsmile:

Not while I'm in Finland :( Need to keep the plant counts low...

Hopefully we will move to Amsterdam later this year, and I have all kinds of ideas, we'll see, depends on the apartment, etc.. but I'm thinking a Chemdog Sour Diesel or Super Silver Sour Diesel Haze (seeds ordered) mother and 9 clones in a 3ft x 3ft (or so), topped or LST'd (2 week veg) :D

(I believe the Dutch law decriminalized possession of 5 plants, so I'm assuming that me + my wife = 10 :) Need to investigate further :stoned:)

[Buffalo Soldier]

sounds great.........I would love to run the same grow with you......only with TW and WW my favorite.

guess I would need a second cab...

lookin to learn a ton!!

buffalo:rastasmoke:

[KillerBudG]

Hey yo BigTops, Hows it going round that side bro. Well My plans are to Get my PPP in a 2 gal pot today some time in the after noon. Its growing really well root wise, So I figure 1 1/2- 3 weeks it will be ready to see the 5 gal. maybe even sooner. I am hoping my clones root right now, Got about 10-15 From the PPP I took. And another 4 I took off some Nug Bag seed, Which has a fruity taste and smell once in flower(bout7 weeks ready but 9 would be a hell of a couch lock) and the high is awesome with a nice yield.

Thinking bout revamping my cab. starting from the drawing board again.:D Maybe if you got a min or two you can stop in my thread in the indoor section.

Well its 2 in the morning and its time for my :smokebong: :joint1:


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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[bigtopsfinn]

Hey Killer alls well here :)

I checked out your thread but couldn't really comment... but maybe the I'll take a shot here: a 600w would be really nice, and less of a hassle for the cooltube and ventilation, since with 2 x 400w you will probably still need/want cooltubes in that space... :twocents:

.................................................. .................................................

TW is now 1 week into flowering, stretching out nicely. Repotted to a ~5 gal, might be larger, bucket with plenty of soil underneath (used a whole 12L bag of soil + a couple liters of pebbles), so should have a lot of space for the roots to grow into. Still feeding with just water, the new soil is good quality and has a lot of nutrients. I'll start with bloom nutes in a couple weeks probably.

I did the cake-stack with the MS, just raised it a few inches with fresh soil on the bottom. Hopefully it's enough to finish in. Also trimmed off the tiny buds forming at the bottom. Haven't touched the leaves except to tie a couple back to get more light to lower buds. The MS is getting about 3/4 strength Canna Flores nutes and about 1/2 strength PK boost. Sometimes I'll give both, sometimes just the Canna.

Pics:
1 & 2: TW in the scrog
3: MS
4: MS main bud
5: random MS bud

[Buffalo Soldier]

Looks great Finn!....can't wait to see your screen explode:thumbsup:

[redtails]

Looks like you hit the sweet spot on that scrog! She should be filling it all in nicely! Great work Finn!

[bigtopsfinn]

Hi Buffalo and Redtails, thanks for the kind words :)


So I heard my timer for the light go off from my kitchen, thought, well sounded quite loud but whatever... later walked into the room with the cab and, wtf, lights still on :wtf: They got a little over an hour of extra light...

I'm pretty sure nothings going to happen because of it. I fixed the timer (did this once already on a previous grow) and set it so that the girls still get their 12 hours of light tonight. Now the lights come on and go off about an hour later. Oh well, shit happens.

[Buffalo Soldier]

Perfection is a curse:cool:

[KillerBudG]

Hey Bigtops, Looks like your grow is moving along nicely. Had the same issue with my timer as matter fact 6 days ago. That Ms is looking pretty dam promising Imo. Looks like it will yield decently. :thumbsup:



Ya, I decided I am gonna go with a 600w, 12 out my 14 ppp rooted also. :jointsmile:


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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[bigtopsfinn]

Been only 2 days since last update, but thought I'd share how much the scrog filled in already :)

Did some training today as you might see in the pics... pulled up a few long and low branches and tied them to the screen (top right and bottom right of the screen). It looks like there's no bud sites there, but there are many small ones that were hidden underneath the screen and the thick canopy now exposed.

Another few days of training, then once the pistils start forming I'll even it out one last time. May have to rearrange a couple things in the following week or two, but that should be all.

[headshake]

damn Finn, that ScROG is serious! can't wait to see what see how she turns out. keep up the good work.

-shake

[Shovelhandle]

You have a handle on that technique Finn. :stoned:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks for coming by Shake and Shov :jointsmile:

TW is now 2 weeks into 12/12, the screen is nearly filled in and it's starting to show some pistils. Probably won't stretch too much anymore. Still have some empty spaces within the screen on the right side as well as on the edges, but there are so many bud sites elsewhere that I'm not too worried about it. I have my light so low that the edges aren't getting as much light as the middle.

MS is 5 weeks into 12/12, getting really hairy and buds are starting to form.

TW has been getting plain water every 4 days. MS has been getting Canna Flores and even a little PK boost, but just plain water last time. May have to change watering to every 3 days, they felt a little light today and could probably use the drink. Might start giving the TW some weak bloom nutes.

[bigtopsfinn]

Some more MS pics :jointsmile:

[headshake]

looking nice Finn! the MS is huge. that's gonna be a fun mystery to get to the bottom of !

-shake

[bigtopsfinn]

The pics make them look a lot bigger and crystally, should put it next to something for size comparison, but then it doesn't look so big :D

[frostedwonder]

Dang that screen is looking perfect. I especially like the zip tie collars you are securing the plants with.

[superskunk1]

Real nice big
Scrog is looking beefy, where did you purchase that netting? If you don't mind me asking.

I have trelis netting on the girls not but the squares are not as tight as yours, there more like to space the girls out.

Anyways congrats, you have the scrog technique mastered.

[redtails]

Not to answer-jack but it looks like normal 1" poultry netting (chicken wire), I've used it and it works extremely well.

[bigtopsfinn]

Hi Frosted, nice to see you around again. Have you been having that 'post-harvest syndrome', where people tend to disappear from cdot after their harvest? :D


Real nice big
Scrog is looking beefy, where did you purchase that netting? If you don't mind me asking.

I have trelis netting on the girls not but the squares are not as tight as yours, there more like to space the girls out.

Anyways congrats, you have the scrog technique mastered.

Thanks superskunk1, redtails has your answer :) (answer-jacking is OK in my book :thumbsup:) It's chicken wire purchased from a hardware store here in Finland. The holes are a little smaller than what I had last time as they didn't have the same one anymore. Still seems to work out fine, just have to be a little more careful pulling the shoots down.

I think chicken wire works great, I don't know about the trellis though. From what I understand, a trellis usually has very thick pieces of wood, so you'll lose a lot of light penetration. Chicken wire cheap and also nice in that you can bend it so it curves a little, giving nearly equal amounts of light to the sides as the middle.


TW is starting to get hairy already :jointsmile:

[superskunk1]

Hi Frosted, nice to see you around again. Have you been having that 'post-harvest syndrome', where people tend to disappear from cdot after their harvest? :D



Thanks superskunk1, redtails has your answer :) (answer-jacking is OK in my book :thumbsup:) It's chicken wire purchased from a hardware store here in Finland. The holes are a little smaller than what I had last time as they didn't have the same one anymore. Still seems to work out fine, just have to be a little more careful pulling the shoots down.

I think chicken wire works great, I don't know about the trellis though. From what I understand, a trellis usually has very thick pieces of wood, so you'll lose a lot of light penetration. Chicken wire cheap and also nice in that you can bend it so it curves a little, giving nearly equal amounts of light to the sides as the middle.


TW is starting to get hairy already :jointsmile:

Thank you bigtopsfinn and redtails both :jointsmile:

Good thing is I know where to get chicken wire so hopefully that will get purchased soon.

And this is the trellis netting

[stra8outtaWeed]

The pics make them look a lot bigger and crystally, should put it next to something for size comparison, but then it doesn't look so big :D

irregardless of how the camera makes them look...that is some nice budding action for 14 days....they look awesome!:thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

That could work in some way also, maybe in a SOG, and a lot of twist ties. The holes are pretty big for my liking, might be harder to get an even canopy.

I will say this though, the less stress the better. I stress mine out maybe a little too much. I do have to keep my canopy low, but I could manage it with less training.

Can't really grow on a such a large enough scale to truly measure my success with different methods in terms of yield and finishing times. However, comparing my LST'd-only buds to my scrogged buds, the scrogged buds were all around much denser, and more uniform, and more potent. It's a pretty limited test, but until I can get some bigger plant numbers, just have to go with what I know works for me.


irregardless of how the camera makes them look...that is some nice budding action for 14 days....they look awesome!:thumbsup:

Bloom Day 35 on those ;)

[stra8outtaWeed]

i misread..i saw the 14 in front and thought the total was 35days

i was like DAMN...that is impressive...makes sense now.....but still impressive none the less:smokin:

great work BTF:thumbsup:

[frostedwonder]

Hi Frosted, nice to see you around again. Have you been having that 'post-harvest syndrome', where people tend to disappear from cdot after their harvest? :D



Thanks superskunk1, redtails has your answer :) (answer-jacking is OK in my book :thumbsup:) It's chicken wire purchased from a hardware store here in Finland. The holes are a little smaller than what I had last time as they didn't have the same one anymore. Still seems to work out fine, just have to be a little more careful pulling the shoots down.

I think chicken wire works great, I don't know about the trellis though. From what I understand, a trellis usually has very thick pieces of wood, so you'll lose a lot of light penetration. Chicken wire cheap and also nice in that you can bend it so it curves a little, giving nearly equal amounts of light to the sides as the middle.


TW is starting to get hairy already :jointsmile:
Hey, na.... just the kind of people on here in the past few months have made me wish I wasn't of the same species. Nothing big just not into even glancing at posts where people either are picking on someone or asking things only a 14 year old would ask. Everyone starts somewhere tho. Currently I am running Super Silver haze from Mr.N, and DNA's -og18xskunk and Kandy Kushxskunk, Reserva Privada's Purple Wreck & Nirvana's Wonder Woman. Not going to log the whole thing but might start a flowering log when the newer strains have been sexed.

[KillerBudG]

Looking good BigTops,:thumbsup: That Ms is looking like its gonna have some big colas



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[bigtopsfinn]

Hey, na.... just the kind of people on here in the past few months have made me wish I wasn't of the same species. Nothing big just not into even glancing at posts where people either are picking on someone or asking things only a 14 year old would ask. Everyone starts somewhere tho. Currently I am running Super Silver haze from Mr.N, and DNA's -og18xskunk and Kandy Kushxskunk, Reserva Privada's Purple Wreck & Nirvana's Wonder Woman. Not going to log the whole thing but might start a flowering log when the newer strains have been sexed.

haha I guess that's just how it goes sometimes...;) definitely some members here that I like more and less also.

But anyways sounds like you have some nice strains going on, and I'm sure you will do them justice :jointsmile:. I managed to buy some new seeds also, but don't know when I can try any of them :( So for now, Super Silver Sour Diesel Haze, Chemdog Sour Diesel and Killer Chem (C99/G13 x Chemdog) are sitting in my friends refrigerator in Holland, awaiting my arrival :jointsmile:


Looking good BigTops,:thumbsup: That Ms is looking like its gonna have some big colas



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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Thanks KBG, I'm looking forward to seeing what it'll give me. I'm not getting my hopes up, but everything seems to be going according to plan so far :jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

They're getting watered every 3 days now, about 3L for the TW and a little over 2L for the MS. They are both getting Canna Terra Vega at about 3/4 to full strength and the PK boost at about half strength.

The TW is still stretching a little, but at this point I'll just let it go. There are still many little tops below the screen but don't want to stress her out too much, plus the small holes in the screen make things a little more difficult. We'll see how it turns out :jointsmile:

Pics: TW at 21 days of 12/12

[bigtopsfinn]

Some pics of the MS and the closet

[stra8outtaWeed]

That scrog looks like you are kickin ass WOW is the first thing that comes to mind:eek:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks Sta8! :thumbsup: Doing my best here, the wait is just killing me :jointsmile:

[stra8outtaWeed]

Thanks Sta8! :thumbsup: Doing my best here, the wait is just killing me :jointsmile:

I do know what you mean i am waiting for Thursday...i get to come home and i have some kill waiting in the car with a glass pipe...i'm probably gonna take 2 hits and pass out...but i cant wait for the moment it touches my lips and that smooth smoke fills my lungs...i'll be grinning from ear to ear! then i want to hit Carls jr and get a western bacon cheeseburger...i hate fast food but this is one time i know its gonna taste like filet mignon! Chinese food you're hungry an hour later:wtf:

that scrog is somethin to be proud of...doin a great job!:thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

I do know what you mean i am waiting for Thursday...i get to come home and i have some kill waiting in the car with a glass pipe...i'm probably gonna take 2 hits and pass out...but i cant wait for the moment it touches my lips and that smooth smoke fills my lungs...i'll be grinning from ear to ear! then i want to hit Carls jr and get a western bacon cheeseburger...i hate fast food but this is one time i know its gonna taste like filet mignon! Chinese food you're hungry an hour later:wtf:

that scrog is somethin to be proud of...doin a great job!:thumbsup:

LOL that's a great homecoming! Hope your trips been a good one.

One suggestion I wanted to give you (I was gonna rep you with it but I guess I've been stingy with the rep lately): For your sig, click the paperclip and paste the link to your log there, and then in the highlighted part of the code type in LED Grow Show or whatever you choose... so it looks like this: LED Grow Show (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/181119-led-grow-show.html), here's the code without the first and last brackets: URL="http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/181119-led-grow-show.html"]LED Grow Show[/URL

Looking forward to seeing you back in action :jointsmile:

[stra8outtaWeed]

Thank you so much! :thumbsup: i guess i have been stingy as well...tried to rep you in another thread and had the no can do message! But i have been trying to make my sig look right and everytime i went to change it it never worked so thanks for the illustration i am going to see if i can get it done!:jointsmile:

[stra8outtaWeed]

Thanks alot...i cannot tell you haw many times i tried to do that with no success...you get double rep for teaching the computer impaired :thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

YEAAAA looks much better now :jointsmile:

[headshake]

hey Finn, how's it going brother? the ladies are looking ever so lovely! how many tops do you think are on the ScROG? it looks awesome!

and i see that you are running the canna nutes. how are you liking them? pro's & cons? i keep getting recommended canna nutes and think i'm gonna run them when the bio bizz runs out.

keep up the good work.


-shake

[bigtopsfinn]

Hey Shakeman, thanks for the kind words :jointsmile:

Since you ask, things are finally getting better here, just finished writing my 60-page thesis for graduation. I guess third school's the charm :D

I counted about 50-60 tops, probably more above the screen. On the advice of someone else I'm thinking about pulling everything back underneath to get a more even growth.

Nothing bad to say about Canna nutes here, and only using the Terra Vega and Terra Flores. My PK booster is the Plagron Green Sensation Top Activator I got for free from Germany. Too little experience to really give you a good analysis, but I don't think I've had any problems like the classic over-fert tip burn. I'll be buying Canna's coco series once I move later this year.

Looking forward to seeing your TW's, feel free to post some pics here if you don't want to start a new thread :thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

With some encouragement from another Finn, I did some final training. I had been thinking about it, and after seeing how the tops stretched again last night, I pulled everything under and raised some bud sites to the screen.

[StickyBuds1987]

hey man very nice looking buds and awesome job on tha scrog:thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

hey man very nice looking buds and awesome job on tha scrog:thumbsup:

Thanks StickyBuds, should only get better from here, stay tuned :jointsmile:

[StickyBuds1987]

Thanks StickyBuds, should only get better from here, stay tuned :jointsmile:

oh i will just subcribed to ya log :jointsmile:

[stra8outtaWeed]

man this has got to be the most impressive single plant scrog i have seen:greenthumb:

[demoreal]

This grow is impressive.

[bigtopsfinn]

Stra8 and demoreal, too kind! thank you! Even after 1 TW dying before sprouting and 4 hermies, I can still look forward to something :jointsmile:

[KillerBudG]

Yo bigtops whats up bro,:jointsmile:

Ya log is really rolling along now, Glad that there are still a few people around that have interesting logs, Sorry to YOUS who log I have been skippin over tho lol.:D Ill try to find 2 or 3 more to entertain myself.:pimp:

So what is the actual sq. foot size of the sCrog like round 4sq. feet at least.? Sorry if you posted the info on the screen size, I am lazy right now and am rolling a Cigar:baggy:.

I have a PPP that is like 3 sq. feet without a screen, And i am not sure if I should use a screen an single scrog it like you. I am gonna flower under a 600 hps. I have a lot of tops like you to, But I am unsure if my yield benefit from the scrog or if I just Lst it to a square 4 ft and then flower.

The plant itself is like maybe 10 inches tall, I keep lst it and clipping the shoots that get to tall.

Could I get your opinion on this, just you do scrog I don't and my last grow was not to successful due to stupidity and minor mistakes.
Guess you could probably help steer me along as you are doing well with that 400w so what would you do in my situation with a 600w?:D

Dam, That Ms is kicking right along to, I had a awesome sativa last grow but it was just taking to long so it got tossed out.


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~budG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[bigtopsfinn]

Hey Killer and thanks! :jointsmile:

My screen is about 15" x 20" if you lay it flat, but I curved it to try and get a little more even lighting.

I'd say if you have 15 min. to an hour to spend training every few days for a month, then the Scrog is really nice. Maybe the growth will be hindered a little for the stretch, but after that you just watch them grow :)

Unless you have room restrictions, I'd try to make the screen at least 3ft. x 3ft. with that light. When the screen is filled to 60-70%, flip to 12/12. Go for it :thumbsup:

[demoreal]

I finally had some time to read threw your whole thread today.
I have the clone form of TW, I bought it in CA. Mine takes about 12 weeks to finish. I can't believe GH seeds got theres to finish in 9 weeks. Any way mine tastes and smells very much like lemon with a hint of pine sol. It grows crazy sativa style. And about it producing hermaphrodite flowers. It has done it every grow. I have never had more than a few seeds. The male flowers appear more towards the later side of flowering. I read in the bookstore that TW hermies on just about every grow. I forgot the book but if someone really wants to know I will go find it again and post quote by quote what I read. The book is referring to the clone form.
Anyway, sweet grow I subscribed.

[Buffalo Soldier]

Unless you have room restrictions, I'd try to make the screen at least 3ft. x 3ft. with that light. When the screen is filled to 60-70%, flip to 12/12. Go for it :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]


very true about the stretch, my branches are really getting a noticeable stretch, I may even outrun one side of the screen...

gonna give myself a bit more room next time.

the scrog looks great finn:thumbsup:

burner:rastasmoke:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks Buff :thumbsup:


I finally had some time to read threw your whole thread today.
I have the clone form of TW, I bought it in CA. Mine takes about 12 weeks to finish. I can't believe GH seeds got theres to finish in 9 weeks. Any way mine tastes and smells very much like lemon with a hint of pine sol. It grows crazy sativa style. And about it producing hermaphrodite flowers. It has done it every grow. I have never had more than a few seeds. The male flowers appear more towards the later side of flowering. I read in the bookstore that TW hermies on just about every grow. I forgot the book but if someone really wants to know I will go find it again and post quote by quote what I read. The book is referring to the clone form.
Anyway, sweet grow I subscribed.

I try to stay out of the whole 'Cali clone scene' because everyone has their own story for everything, and every person has 'the real deal' because they got their clones from a 'trusted source' blah blah blah. From my own research, I've found people saying it's a sativa dom and a fast finisher, it's a sativa dom with long flower times, that it herms every time, and that it never herms :rolleyes: One thing most people can agree on is that it's a viney plant, and that's definitely true about the TW's I've had.

I've been pretty happy with mine so far, but after all the troubles I've seen other people having with fem seeds I don't think I'll be buying them again, for a long time ;) I think what matters most is that you're happy with what you have. Thanks for stopping by and happy growing :jointsmile:

[demoreal]

GH did a really nice job with there seeds. Getting clones anywhere is shady. Thats why I am at the bookstore reading as many books as I can. I truly want to know the genetics of my plants for breeding purposes (I wish I could travel the world looking for seeds but no money for that). As far as growing for smoke, for sure, as long as its good it does not matter.
I have no idea if my trainwreck is the real clone.
I am certain about my 91 chem dawg though.
Thats a Colorado strain. My favorite plant I own.

[bigtopsfinn]

:thumbsup:

Heard and seen so many good things about Chemdog that I had to get my hands on something to see for myself (post # 102) With some luck I'll have a grow log on one of them later this year :jointsmile:

[demoreal]

You will not be disappointed. I look forward to checking it out if you grow it. I have learned a lot reading this thread. The yield on this grow is going to be way more than my old TW grow. Next time I might have to steal your SCROG style (I am nervous to try). Way better idea.
Peace, checking back soon, thanks for the informative thread.
:jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

Rolling right along :jointsmile:

TW has recovered from the training with more and even sized buds. Been feeding the Canna Flores and Plagron PK 9/10 every three days, plain water yesterday.

TW at 4 weeks

[bigtopsfinn]

Some more TW at week 4

[bigtopsfinn]

Here's the MS at week 7

Still going strong. Been fed with Canna Flores and Plagron PK 9/10 every three days also except yesterday didn't feel very light. Checked again today and still could go maybe a few hours or overnight (5 days since last watering) before giving her some plain water for a change.

I wouldn't be surprised if it goes the full 12 weeks, but I'm hoping I can pick it sooner :jointsmile:

[pepurr]

Your plants look so sweet. All frosty with goodness. :thumbsup:

They are a fine example indeed! :hippy:

[StickyBuds1987]

finn your scrog girls are looking soooo shweet bet ya cant wait untill there are done:thumbsup::thumbsup::jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks fellas :jointsmile: Definitely tough to wait...

TW looks to be much more resinous than the MS, trichs all over the tops :) But I think the MS will still hold its own. Smoked some before from the original grower, not very crystally but still a very 'high' high :stoned:

[PhatJay]

Been feeding the Canna Flores and Plagron PK 9/10 every three days

Are Plagron nutes any good? Like you I am using the canna range atm, but I got a huge box of full of free foods from a cannabis convention and it had some Plagron Coco A+B nutes in it.

[bigsby]

Nice grow you have going there. Interesting that you just flopped the screen on top. I'm surprised that the plant didn't push it upwards or perhaps it is secured somehow?

Subscribed. Interested to see how this turns out. Will be watching your next one too, especially if you decide to do a more traditional scrog.

Do you or anyone have any pointers to good scrog guides? I've found a few older ones but I would like something with pictures illustrating setup and training. I'm guessing this is a learn by doing thing.

Don't mean to hijack you log. I'll be watching to the finish (nice pun, eh?).

[stra8outtaWeed]

finally getting to a more normal schedule....had to stop by and see the progess.....girls are lookin nice.:thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

Are Plagron nutes any good? Like you I am using the canna range atm, but I got a huge box of full of free foods from a cannabis convention and it had some Plagron Coco A+B nutes in it.

Don't really know much about Plagron to make a recommendation. It hasn't done any harm for me (that I know of, may have caused the nutrient problem I had last grow) but hard to say without comparing it to Canna's PK. Next time I'm switching to Coco, and I'll just get one brand and stick with it, probably Canna again.


Nice grow you have going there. Interesting that you just flopped the screen on top. I'm surprised that the plant didn't push it upwards or perhaps it is secured somehow?

Subscribed. Interested to see how this turns out. Will be watching your next one too, especially if you decide to do a more traditional scrog.

Do you or anyone have any pointers to good scrog guides? I've found a few older ones but I would like something with pictures illustrating setup and training. I'm guessing this is a learn by doing thing.

Don't mean to hijack you log. I'll be watching to the finish (nice pun, eh?).

:D

No worries, not jacking at all. But geez, where to start... well, I found this a very helpful thread when I started: http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-cabinet-growing/52326-lovely-ladies.html
In addition to that it's really learning by doing. One of the most important things IMO is to start with LST and/or topping so you don't have one thick main stalk, but several smaller ones that are easier to train. The second is getting the right screen size - holes that are not too big and not too small. Mine are too small ATM but couldn't really find the right one. Also, knowing how much the plant will stretch in flowering is important so you can fill in the screen all the way. I used my previous LST grow to judge the stretch. For the TW I need to fill in the screen about 60-70%. With a sativa, it might be more like 30% before flipping the lights.

I did tie the screen down after a couple days. First in one place, then a couple more later. The last bit of advice I can give is to do things gradually, not too much at once. In addition to anchoring the screen to the main stalk, I use twist ties to pull up branches so that more bud sites and at the screen level.

I'd make a guide for scrogging, but I don't really think I'm qualified enough for that until I can work with a couple different strains. But if you have any questions feel free to ask, I'll do my best to answer :)


finally getting to a more normal schedule....had to stop by and see the progess.....girls are lookin nice.:thumbsup:

Thank you sir! I'm sure you're glad to be back home doing what you do best :jointsmile:

[dopet4h2c0]

lookin great finn keep it up

[xxMrGreenThumbx]

omg finn u r pro ur weed looks gawjus!!

[KillerBudG]

Holy shit, Great work Big tops. Im loving that Scrog, looks like it will be a good yield itself, And that M/s is looking ass kicking bro :jointsmile: :thumbsup:


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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[Buffalo Soldier]

hey Finn.......

have you tried re-vegging a plant after harvest?....
I've been reading rusty's threads and I think it would be a good idea for myself if i don't chop my scrog plant and just go back to 18/6 after a trim......
I'm confused though about the roots........I'll finish in the 5 gallon pot and he says to go with a bigger pot.......can't I just cut the roots??? and put fresh soil in the 5 gallon again....I'll veg for 3 weeks and then flip the lights.......

I would love to hear your opinioin and strategy on this...

buffalo

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks dopet4h2c0, xxMrGreenThumbx and Killer :) LOL no pro here, just trying to grow some herbs :jointsmile:


hey Finn.......

have you tried re-vegging a plant after harvest?....
I've been reading rusty's threads and I think it would be a good idea for myself if i don't chop my scrog plant and just go back to 18/6 after a trim......
I'm confused though about the roots........I'll finish in the 5 gallon pot and he says to go with a bigger pot.......can't I just cut the roots??? and put fresh soil in the 5 gallon again....I'll veg for 3 weeks and then flip the lights.......

I would love to hear your opinioin and strategy on this...

buffalo

Never re-vegged, sorry :( I'd take Rusty's advice and re-pot bigger. The harvest, trimming and changes in light schedule and nutrients are probably already enough stress for the plant, so that's your best bet IMO. I'm sure a root trim can be done, but maybe doing it later would be better (??)

[bigtopsfinn]

Got some pics :)

Stopped giving PK to either plant. Now just the Canna Flores until flush, with some plain water every third time.

TW's been yellowing a lot, mostly underneath. As I didn't trim any leaves this time, this isn't really a surprise. Last pic is where I think there is a hot spot or possibly too much PK :wtf:


5 weeks of 12/12 for the TW:

[bigtopsfinn]

First 2 are TW.

Last 2 are the MS at 8 weeks 12/12

[bigtopsfinn]

More MS at 8 weeks

[Shovelhandle]

the Big Tops moniker. :thumbsup:

[StickyBuds1987]

oh finn lol man those look delicious lol keep it up man cant want to see tha cured buds:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

:D Thanks Shov and StickyBuds

Happy 420 everyone :420thought:

[stra8outtaWeed]

looks like things are progressing nicely...at least you have those MS to harvest soon and you can push the TW as long as she needs....its easier to have patience when there is bud in the jar! :jointsmile:

HAPPY 420 :smokin:

[LetsSeeYa]

Looks great Finn, but its pretty much to be expected, as iv read your grows:hippy:

Happy:420thought:

:weedpoke: Keep er green man

:rasta:

[PhatJay]

Looking very sexy, any chance of a pic of one of those MS buds with something in it for scale?

:stoned:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks LSY, hope I can finish better this time :)


looks like things are progressing nicely...at least you have those MS to harvest soon and you can push the TW as long as she needs....its easier to have patience when there is bud in the jar! :jointsmile:

HAPPY 420 :smokin:

I wish I could... a guest is coming over here in a little over a month, which will cut it close with the harvest/dry/cure. Oh well, I'll have something at least.


Looking very sexy, any chance of a pic of one of those MS buds with something in it for scale?

:stoned:

Thanks PhatJay, here are some pics of the 2 bigger MS tops, 59 days into flowering: :jointsmile:

[CovertCarpenter]

...to see a /Frosted/Top/ next to a 'coppertop' ;)

Looking f'n amazing, mon. Great SCRoG. Kudos to ya!

[bigtopsfinn]

Thank CC, not looking too shabby yourself. Wish I had your setup :jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

First 4 are the MS at 9 weeks flowering, last is of course the TW scrog at 6 weeks. Only 3 more weeks to go :), they'll have to be chopped whether they're ready or not :(

[bigtopsfinn]

Bloom Day 42 TW

You can see in the last pics where the light bleach/burn has spread a little. My own fault for not moving the light up earlier :beatdeadhorse: Oh well, live and learn... (The MS tops are a few inches closer to the light, and no bleaching :wtf:)

[Dutch Pimp]

looking good ...finn...:thumbsup:

[Buffalo Soldier]

great screen Finn..lots of buds.....70ish??

Looks like you're gonna pull 2oz. + on this plant :thumbsup:

shall I dare predict the dry harvest at 2.5oz........

got a question about nutes........the bloom formula states 1 feeding at 1 tablespoon per 1 gallon.when would i increase?......or is it all based on how the plant looks??

thanks for all the help and setting the pace for scroggin:thumbsup::rasta:

buffalo:stoned:

[Buckten]

Looks really good. i like the screen thats pretty cool. i am planing on tieng down my plants as well. keep up the good work bro ur doin good:hippy:

[KillerBudG]

Looks awesome BigTops, I never got around to doing a scrog on my PPP. But I am hoping to still have a decent harvest off her.

You should Reveg that Tw, It will make for one hell of a scrog, With plenty of shoots, And they grow fast as long as you have root room.:thumbsup:


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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks for the kind words Buckten!


great screen Finn..lots of buds.....70ish??

Looks like you're gonna pull 2oz. + on this plant :thumbsup:

shall I dare predict the dry harvest at 2.5oz........

got a question about nutes........the bloom formula states 1 feeding at 1 tablespoon per 1 gallon.when would i increase?......or is it all based on how the plant looks??

thanks for all the help and setting the pace for scroggin:thumbsup::rasta:

buffalo:stoned:


2.5 to 3 oz is what I'm expecting. These TW's are quite deceiving since they are small but tight nugs. I've always been surprised with the final yield. Hopefully my little light accident didn't stunt it too much.

As for the nutes, start with quarter or half strength and work up gradually. Give her plain ph'd water every now and then. If the plant looks healthy, keep doing what you're doing.

I checked out your new pics BTW, looks awesome! :thumbsup:


Looks awesome BigTops, I never got around to doing a scrog on my PPP. But I am hoping to still have a decent harvest off her.

You should Reveg that Tw, It will make for one hell of a scrog, With plenty of shoots, And they grow fast as long as you have root room.:thumbsup:


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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Hey Killer thanks again :jointsmile: I wish I could reveg, but all this has to be taken down in a month :( Houseguest coming...

I haven't seen any pics of your PPP around. Feel free to post some here!

[headshake]

looking great Finn! i've noticed the same thing about the TW. nice, tight buds. on irydyums last grow, his TW wasn't topped or anything and their were 30+ supplemental nuggets and a huge softball sized main cola. very nice indeed. i've get 4 TWs in flower at the moment. can't wait to see what they do!

hope all is well.

good growing!


-shake

[Buffalo Soldier]

Hey FINN..

The wait must be horrible, I'm already buggin and I'm at 4 wks!!

Plants look incredible:thumbsup:


Are you currently looking at the trichomes??...if so, when did you start?

I'm at 4 wks and I see cloudy triches everywhere at 30x pocket microscope.


Scroggin definitely ups the yield but also the workload:(
great results though.......I think I'm finally out of the "work zone"



buffalo

[bigtopsfinn]

Hey FINN..

The wait must be horrible, I'm already buggin and I'm at 4 wks!!

Plants look incredible:thumbsup:


Are you currently looking at the trichomes??...if so, when did you start?

I'm at 4 wks and I see cloudy triches everywhere at 30x pocket microscope.


Scroggin definitely ups the yield but also the workload:(
great results though.......I think I'm finally out of the "work zone"



buffalo

Hey Buff! Don't be in a rush, the CFL's should add a couple weeks for you ;)

I've been checking out the trichs on a couple sugar leaves from the MS in the past week (9) but I know it still has a ways to go... more waiting :( I might check the TW tomorrow when I take it out, but I think it could go a couple weeks more also. I'll really start looking when they stop growing, then plain water when they need it and harvest 2-3 days after watering when the trichs look about right.

Yeah not much work now but just wait until harvest. The TW is going to need one hell of a trimming compared to the MS. But that's OK, I'll make some really good cake from all those bud leaves :jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

Hey Shake sorry I missed ya!


Here's the MS at 10 weeks, couple more go I'd say.

Last is the TW at 7 weeks.

[bigtopsfinn]

More TW.

You can see the bleached buds are getting bigger. Still have trichomes and everything, just look a little strange.

[demoreal]

What do you normally harvest per watt? Or what is the best you have done? I usually do not ask harvest questions but your grow is very impressive when it comes to efficiency.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[StickyBuds1987]

hey man i gotta hand it to ya great job those buds look nice :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks StickyBuds :jointsmile:


What do you normally harvest per watt? Or what is the best you have done? I usually do not ask harvest questions but your grow is very impressive when it comes to efficiency.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Only my third grow, and haven't had the chance to maximize my light/grow area :( My last grow I got about 110+grams from 2 plants in a 3.5 sq. ft. scrog with a 400w hps and a poor growing effort. I'm hoping for much more from these 2 I have now... We'll see in a few weeks :)

[stra8outtaWeed]

very nice :thumbsup:

looks like a little "city of buds"....very cool! :smokin:

[LetsSeeYa]

Man Finn i really like the scrog TW project you have pretty much perfected:hippy:. It really makes me want to try it, just not sure i could do all the tie downs. I saw someone mention doing a re vegged plant and iv got 3i had plans to put outside this year. Iv seen them turn into giant bushes outdoors on some other site. If i did get that sort of results a screen covering the hole thing just might be a good idea. This plant is throwing out branches pretty good, so if i can get it taller i might be able to try it. Just a thought because its got so many branches, not to mention using the sun to grow it. If i do your the first person il run to for help thats for sure. lol

Il guess 3.24oz's:hippy: But ya have the other lady's as well:thumbsup:looks like the best a person could get with your space issue. Id luv to see what you could do with unlimited space, wow. I have the same cab that you use and every time i look at it, im ready to remove all the crap in it and grow in it. Sure has been treating you well. I hope your all done before your company, as i think you said at one time they were a pretty heavy smoker. So i hope your stocked up man:jointsmile:

See Ya:rasta:

[bigsby]

That ScrOG is a thing of beauty! Can't wait to see it finish up. Bet you feel the same. Nice work there. Have a look at the root ball when all is said and done. I'll be curious to know if they are bound in the pots. It might explain the discolored leaves. A bound root system is not as efficient and can't hold the water or nutes long enough to get what is required. You know this of course but I'm curious to know if that is the issues.

Keep us updated as this winds down!

[bigtopsfinn]

That ScrOG is a thing of beauty! Can't wait to see it finish up. Bet you feel the same. Nice work there. Have a look at the root ball when all is said and done. I'll be curious to know if they are bound in the pots. It might explain the discolored leaves. A bound root system is not as efficient and can't hold the water or nutes long enough to get what is required. You know this of course but I'm curious to know if that is the issues.

Keep us updated as this winds down!

Thanks bigsby!

I'll definitely be checking the roots. This is the first time using this container, but I really doubt it's rootbound since it's so big (5gal I think, maybe more). I put 3 gallons of soil underneath the TW in the last transplant in the first week of flower also. I think the discoloration in the one area is from light bleaching. It stopped spreading when I moved the light up. Now the bleached nugs are just growing in size. The Plagron PK 9/10 might have also had something to do with the yellowing leaves early in flower. Right now the larger fan leaves are starting to lose their color, but that's normal with 1+ week to go. I'll try and get a pic of the rootball maybe after harvest.

Yeah, not the prettiest scrog around, but it'll do for me :jointsmile: Thanks for stopping by!

[Buckten]

You have some pretty tight plants bro.i am going to use some of ur methods in my grow. good luck and keep up the good work your doing good.

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks Buckten!

Some training would definitely help you make the best use of your small space while keeping the ladies at a good height. :thumbsup:

Happy growing :jointsmile:

[bigsby]

Oh no. 5 gallon pots are more than sufficient. That is not the issue. 3 gallons is sufficient for most indoor grows. It is hard to assess the size of those buckets from the picture.

[GetThisOrDie]

Oh man bigtops...

One of the best scrog ive ever seen! Makes me want to get some chicken wire! Damn..
Good job for reals.

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks GTOD, it's working pretty well here :jointsmile:

MS now at 11+ weeks, fattened up but still looks like it could go a little more.

[bigtopsfinn]

TW looks almost done. Mostly cloudy, 5% amber with a clear one here or there... Might chop her tomorrow.

[bigtopsfinn]

couple more :jointsmile:

[bigsby]

Finn that is a nice looking grow you have going there.

Would you give us a peak under the skirt so we can see the underside of the scrog? Just curious.

How much longer are you going to let them go?

[Shovelhandle]

Finn, as you've seen, my grows look finished when they get close to done. Fried yellow, brown/pruple leaves, No green leaves, not hardly any white pistils. Man, I grown long flowering strains, I know that, but it seems all my plants are wellripened when I pick 'em. Your's look like they are still growing. Maybe it's me.???

[LetsSeeYa]

Wow Finn thats one nice grow guy:thumbsup:. I swear when i scrolled down to the TW i could smell it and it was wonderful. I think we need to crown you Scrog King for sure. Not sure i could do one, but im going to give er hell to try. Just looks so healthy and huge. I wonder if ya grew one with out the scrog, just to see the yield difference. I think you really use every inch ya got to grow in. Nice Finn.

Hope ya get what your expecting:hippy:

:rasta:

[bigsby]

I'm guessing they have 2 - 3 weeks left, maximum?

[bigtopsfinn]

Hey LSY, Bigsby and Shov, I'd like to leave them another week if they need it. I think the TW can be picked any day now, but the MS might want a little longer. I've also been using plenty of nutrients up until the last couple waterings, so maybe they weren't using stored energy (??). We're supposed to get some hot weather in the next few days, don't know how hot that cab is gonna get either :( Just have to take it day by day, but they need to be jared up by the 25th (maintenance is coming in).

[stra8outtaWeed]

nice lookin...so that means chopped and hung 16th or 17th to get jarred...looks like a sticky finger session is coming in the near future! :smokin:

[KillerBudG]

Looking awesome BigTops:thumbsup:. I myself am having issues with fast yellowing and rust spots spreading fast.

Other than this issue with two of mine all is well. I am looking to pick up some Tw or Pw. Just waiting to see your updated pics of ya ladies/harvest.


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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[headshake]

nice work Finns! can't wait to see what ya get from theTW. that's got to be one of the best ScROGs i've seen.

-shake

[bigtopsfinn]

Got some pics of the MS, 12+ weeks now. Still looks like it's pushing out new growth, very little. Some amber, mostly cloudy, some clear still. Still debating when to chop, I have 8 days until they need to be jarred up.


nice lookin...so that means chopped and hung 16th or 17th to get jarred...looks like a sticky finger session is coming in the near future! :smokin:

Hey Str8, about that time, still don't want to chop! It's pretty dry here, maybe I can get away with 4 days drying before jarring if I cut the buds to dry in smaller pieces???


Looking awesome BigTops:thumbsup:. I myself am having issues with fast yellowing and rust spots spreading fast.

Other than this issue with two of mine all is well. I am looking to pick up some Tw or Pw. Just waiting to see your updated pics of ya ladies/harvest.


~one~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Thanks KBG! How far along are you now?



nice work Finns! can't wait to see what ya get from theTW. that's got to be one of the best ScROGs i've seen.

-shake

Thanks Shake! TW is soooo frosty. See next post :jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

TW doesn't look like she wants to quit either! Still some new growth pushing through, even though trichomes are cloudy with a touch of amber.

Some pics of below the screen as requested. I was about to harvest today, started by cutting off the screen and afterward decided to let it go for a day or two more.

Been really hot here. No AC in the house, so the growroom is now our second sauna :D Growth has slowed down but still going strong.

[KillerBudG]

Couple more days and they will be week 5 flower, But I transplanted towards 2nd week and they took 7-10 days before they started doing anything again. I plan to let them run at least until week 9, But my Power Thai.. "Mao Thai X PPP" will go at least until week 11-13. Pics will come when it is over and I feel safe to post them up.:thumbsup:


~One~:rastasmoke:
~budG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[Shovelhandle]

You have a great crop there Finn! I thought I'd have at least one of my four Neville's Haze go over 14 weeks but they are al ready this morning, 14 1/2 weeks :)

[bigtopsfinn]

Killer - I'll be looking out for them

Thanks Shov, I think mine would both like to go more but it's too damn hot here :mad:

Plus with the deadline of 25th to be jarred, I just chopped and trimmed them both this morning and hung them up in the closet. :chainsaw:

MS looks pretty good, threw out some nanners but looked sterile. TW felt a little spongy but maybe it's' because it was so hot and dried out?

I'm a bit disappointed because they didn't get to finish properly IMO. Weather got too hot (pretty hot for Finland this time of year) and I have no AC in the house :( I think if the temps stayed a little cooler, the yield would have been much better, and may have finished in the time I had hoped.

The TW took about 3 times longer to trim :eek:

I'll get some more pics when they are dry :jointsmile:

[EvilCartman]

TW doesn't look like she wants to quit either! Still some new growth pushing through, even though trichomes are cloudy with a touch of amber.

That TW ScrOG is a frikkin' thing of beauty! Well done, btf! :greenthumb:

[LetsSeeYa]

Great grow Finn:thumbsup:You have some high expatiations for yourself, thats for sure. Because i think you have done the best Scrog iv ever seen and there are plenty of people out there who thinks the same. But thats on you, so i guess im sorry you couldn't go as far as you wanted, but where im sitting, wow outta sight guy:thumbsup:. Im sure you will let us know how she smokes:smokin: Plus il be waiting for your next grow for sure. You seem to step it up each grow, which i guess is the point, but you really are gaining in on the skills for sure Finn:jointsmile:

Also, sharing your skills with us is a great inspiration:hippy: i just hope i can give Rep this time:wtf:iv spread it around enough already and everyone needs to give Rep to this fine grow:thumbsup:

Awesome Finn:rasta:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks EvilCartman! +1 :)

Hey LSY thank you very much, it's nice to hear. Couldn't have done it without the help of this site. I don't know when I'll be able to grow again, but I'll probably be checking in if and when it happens. I have some promising genetics already and new things to try, like vertical and coco :cool:

[LetsSeeYa]

Thanks EvilCartman! +1 :)

Hey LSY thank you very much, it's nice to hear. Couldn't have done it without the help of this site. I don't know when I'll be able to grow again, but I'll probably be checking in if and when it happens. I have some promising genetics already and new things to try, like vertical and coco :cool:

Yes the site can help a lot Finn, but a person needs to understand how to use it. Your a great example of it and id like to think that i use it to my best ability, but im quite a bit behind yet. Not that i believe il improve, but i guess i feel lucky enough to meet the true good people on this site like yourself to get the information i need to get there. And i hope ya pop in my outdoor when ya got time.

Il be looking for your next run with plenty of anticipation:thumbsup:

Still cant give Rep to ya? But il be seein ya man:rasta:

[Buffalo Soldier]

can wait to hear the final dry weight of the scrog:wtf:

[bigtopsfinn]

Hey LSY, sorry I've been a little busy here with the harvest, the coming move and finishing school :) but I'll be stopping by there again. I checked it out the other day and looks like a good start to a nice summer :jointsmile:

Hey Buf! Here it is:

Trainwreck Final Dry weight: 101 grams

It dried out in less than three days but since the nugs are so dense and tight they have been slowly drying in the jars. Took them out yesterday for the pics to give them one last good airing before I have to seal them up for a week.

Now just over a week since chopping, but not much on the flavor or aroma yet. Has a similar 'sweet' smell as the ones I grew before. I'll try and report back in a week or so. I've been smoking the popcorn and more than satisfied so far :stoned:

[bigtopsfinn]

The MS (Mystery Sativa) might as well be called Mango Sensation at this point, because it reeks of ripe mangos! :food10:

Mystery Sativa Mango Sensation Final Dry Weight: 73 grams (that's including the 10+ grams of testers :D, actually could be closer to 80g without all that testing)

It looks like more than the TW, but the nugs are really fluffy, while the TW is unusually dense.

The effect is also totally different from the TW, although I don't think I've had the chance to really experience it yet. Again, I'll be back with a better smoke report in a week or so :jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

A few more random shots and jarred pics (TW in the 2 jars on the right)

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[stra8outtaWeed]

looks like a successful harvest...once they make the jar you can relax a bit...nice stash! :thumbsup:

great job BTF :smokin:

[pepurr]

Dude! Them buds look nug-a-licious. Nice going. 101 grams of pure heaven. :thumbsup:

Can we get a closer up shot please? :hippy:

[PhatJay]

Congratulations on another succesful harvest. :dance:


It looks like more than the TW, but the nugs are really fluffy, while the TW is unusually dense.

I know that it is hard to judge weed weight by size, but I really thought that MS was gonna come in heavier than that. The buds looked flippin huge, that said, 73g's is a nice harvest for one plant.

[bigtopsfinn]

looks like a successful harvest...once they make the jar you can relax a bit...nice stash! :thumbsup:

great job BTF :smokin:

Thank you str8! Now I gotta figure out what to do with all of it :D Going away for the summer, might have to dig a hole in the forest somewhere and hope the ground doesn't freeze before I get back :cool:



Dude! Them buds look nug-a-licious. Nice going. 101 grams of pure heaven. :thumbsup:

Can we get a closer up shot please? :hippy:

Hey pepurr, thanks! My camera isn't great with close-ups, and I tried using a chair for a tripod, but hopefully you can get a better idea from these...

TW
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MS
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I'll post a few more in a minute.




Congratulations on another succesful harvest. :dance:



I know that it is hard to judge weed weight by size, but I really thought that MS was gonna come in heavier than that. The buds looked flippin huge, that said, 73g's is a nice harvest for one plant.

Thanks PhatJay, biggest one yet! Yeah the MS looked huge in the pics but so airy. Might have been a little too hot those last days.

[bigtopsfinn]

TW
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[COOLWHIP]

Nice Job Finn they buds look delicious, Im about 2 weeks away from flowering, Ill be happy if they turn out half as good as urs

[bigsby]

If you're still not sure what to do with them and you are going away for the summer perhaps you need me to house sit? I'm available.

[bigtopsfinn]

Nice Job Finn they buds look delicious, Im about 2 weeks away from flowering, Ill be happy if they turn out half as good as urs

Thanks COOLWHIP! Having the right equipment makes a big difference. Pays for itself the first time.


If you're still not sure what to do with them and you are going away for the summer perhaps you need me to house sit? I'm available.

I don't think you could afford the deposit for the apartment 'as-is' (170 x 12â?¬ plus hotel and plain tickets to Amsterdam) :jointsmile:

[pepurr]

Thanks for posting the close ups bigtopsfinn. They sure do look sweet. I hope my babies come out half as good. :rastasmoke:

Note: Really, I hope mine come out twice as good.....lol

[harry939]

hey this whole thread has been amaaazing. im just starting my second grow with all sativas and was planning to do a SCRog. i did an absolutely horrible scrog in my last grow with trainwreck and although the buds came out potent what looks like 112 grams is more like 60 :( was just wondering if i could chat with you some time and just pick up some pointers and advice. you can check out what i have going so far if you would like :jointsmile:

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/185616-4-strains-all-sativa-all-ff-led-t5-grow-come-look.html

[jimmy345]

Hey just read through got to love that train wreck some lovely looking buds you've made me want to grow it again. Thanks for showing how its done:jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

Thanks for checking it out everyone! I'm a little late in replying but we're on an extended vacation with the wife :jointsmile:


Thanks for posting the close ups bigtopsfinn. They sure do look sweet. I hope my babies come out half as good. :rastasmoke:

Note: Really, I hope mine come out twice as good.....lol

No prob pepurr! Hope you get some dank nugs :jointsmile:


hey this whole thread has been amaaazing. im just starting my second grow with all sativas and was planning to do a SCRog. i did an absolutely horrible scrog in my last grow with trainwreck and although the buds came out potent what looks like 112 grams is more like 60 :( was just wondering if i could chat with you some time and just pick up some pointers and advice. you can check out what i have going so far if you would like :jointsmile:

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/185616-4-strains-all-sativa-all-ff-led-t5-grow-come-look.html

Thanks harry! I'll stop by your log, but feel free to post any questions or comments you might have here. I still have a lot of room for improvement myself, but would be glad to help if possible ;)


Hey just read through got to love that train wreck some lovely looking buds you've made me want to grow it again. Thanks for showing how its done:jointsmile:

Thanks jimmy! I get the same urge looking through other people's logs :) Hope to start a new grow in a couple months, but for now I'm enjoying the sun and heat here in Southeast Asia :whalephant: No nugs though :(

[stra8outtaWeed]

after a few weeks in your jars your buds are more than likely getting smoother and more potent...then you'll really enjoy that mango flavor...great job here bigtops :thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

after a few weeks in your jars your buds are more than likely getting smoother and more potent...then you'll really enjoy that mango flavor...great job here bigtops :thumbsup:

Hiya Stra8! Yep they'll have a couple months cure time before I get back to them... very much looking forward to it :jointsmile: