Democrats Forge Historic Agreement on Health Care

[eastbaygordo]

The repubs had me thinking they won but alas we got it done and will finally start to rein in health care costs.

So far they say it will save $136B the first ten years and more in later decades.

Bring on the repubs in 2010.

[mainegrown]

im all for saving money and all but at what cost (both economically and socially) to our people? and what was the agreement they came to anyways?
-J

[the image reaper]

and, NOBODY READ THE BILL before voting on it :wtf: it's disgraceful, the people we send to Congress :wtf: ... all parties, too, nobody's 'clean' when stuff like this happens

[killerweed420]

The only thing we keep hearing about the bill is how many loopholes there are for big pharma and hmo's. Haven't heard a single good thing about the bill from either side of the isle.

[eastbaygordo]

It isn't perfect but we have time to fix it before the parts I disagree with kick in, i.e. a mandate to buy insurance without any control on how much they charge me.

[RoundEye]

Anyone that thinks this is going to be cheaper or somehow give anyone better or even the same level of health care is seriously wrong.

Name a single government program that isn't bankrupt. Given the governments history of running things into the ground, what do you base your faith in their ability to run this properly?

If I had Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, USPS, AmTrak, as my resume, I'd never get a job, they're all bankrupt and government run. So why is it anyone trusts the government to do anything efficiently? I'll base my opinion on their record, not what they say. Anyone that wants you to buy into something too quickly has something they're hiding.

[Islandborn]

Nobody from either ideological group can say this is some historic victory for jack shit....there is NO public option, there is NO TORT reform, there is nothing but payouts to big insurance.

Health bill money for hospital sought by Dodd - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/20/AR2009122002956.html)

and from the left leaning Huffington Post showing the huge growth in insurance company investments since the death of the public option.

Seeing Public Subsidy (Not Public Option) Investors Flock to Health Insurers (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/21/seeing-public-subsidy-not_n_399733.html)

This bill is utter garbage....will do jack shit for anyone bbut raise ur costs and JACK medicare recipients of 500 trillion/

And from the Wall Street Journal

A Reckless Health Care Bill That Nobody Believes In - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704398304574598130440164954.html)


Bring on the Republicans huh....funny, funny, stuff....how are those polls looking for Dems? Well here is Rasmussen showing how popular the Dems are

Right Direction or Wrong Track - Rasmussen Reportsâ?¢ (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track)

and another

America's Best Days - Rasmussen Reportsâ?¢ (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/america_s_best_days)

Dems are gonna be assasinated in 2010

[Islandborn]

There is a reason these fake, intellectual elitists had to do this in the middle of the night with not a single private citizen having read it.....cause it's shit and they know it...but they HAD to get Obama something to save face.

[mainegrown]

agreed image reaper, very bad form not to read what you make a law. same as having a deaf jury at a trial.. they may see a few things but they are just as in the dark as our politicians that voted blindly
and killer, i dont know about you but i grow pot BECAUSE i cant afford the cost of the prescriptions that are on the market now. with a $5k investment you can have weed for life but $5k only buys a couple months supply of any drug for ANY serious illness you may develop. to take care of all of the things pot does for me i would spend my whole paycheck, instead i only spend half... jk but you see what i mean??
and yes roundeye,
the govt. is terrible at doing anything but kill people. they are alarmingly good at that!! so i think we should allow the generals and politicians sway for a year and i bet we have the country straightened out.. maybe different but defiantly WAY better that spending our way out of sight to get out of debt...
so what i think is overall yes the DEMS are FUCKED and judging by the voting record of america, not just her politicians either, we will get our selves a WORSE leader/leaders. now thats going by what is done not said. and thats the end as far as i can see....
LAMO dont take me TOO serious, just remember life can only be won by living LIFE, not worrying about tomorrow too much.:smokin::jointsmile::stoned::thumbsup:
-J

[smello]

It isn't perfect but we have time to fix it before the parts I disagree with kick in, i.e. a mandate to buy insurance without any control on how much they charge me.

:wtf:The idea was to fix "IT" with this bill-what happens now?Another gravy train give away

[Islandborn]

2300 pages of taxes......no real help for folks with nothing, no protection against frivilous lawsuits, no increase in choices for people to save $, THOUSANDS in fines for not having insurance or jailtime,500 BILLION in cuts to already crappy medicare.

There is nothing to celebrate in this for anyone....from either group. We ALL got jacked straight up. Disgraceful.

Now its on the the House of Representatives for another 2 weeks of bribery and closed door deals. Just wait till the general public gets ahold of this bill in its final form. Its gonna be hystericle. I bet some wont be able to return to their homestates for awhile outta fear of retribution and attack.:pimp:

2010

[gypski]

Anyone that thinks this is going to be cheaper or somehow give anyone better or even the same level of health care is seriously wrong.

Name a single government program that isn't bankrupt. Given the governments history of running things into the ground, what do you base your faith in their ability to run this properly?

If I had Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, USPS, AmTrak, as my resume, I'd never get a job, they're all bankrupt and government run. So why is it anyone trusts the government to do anything efficiently? I'll base my opinion on their record, not what they say. Anyone that wants you to buy into something too quickly has something they're hiding.

So, what you are saying is you trust private insurance monopolies and their spin-offs????? Frankly, albeit I have minimal trust in the government at this point, I still have more trust in it then the private insurance racket. We can change the government and its will, but corporations with the rights that only an individual should have, I don't trust as far as I can spit. Kind of like Glenn Beck hawking gold. :jointsmile:

[gypski]

2300 pages of taxes......no real help for folks with nothing, no protection against frivilous lawsuits, no increase in choices for people to save $, THOUSANDS in fines for not having insurance or jailtime,500 BILLION in cuts to already crappy medicare.

There is nothing to celebrate in this for anyone....from either group. We ALL got jacked straight up. Disgraceful.

Now its on the the House of Representatives for another 2 weeks of bribery and closed door deals. Just wait till the general public gets ahold of this bill in its final form. Its gonna be hystericle. I bet some wont be able to return to their homestates for awhile outta fear of retribution and attack.:pimp:

2010

By your response, we must assume you have read all 2300 pages?? :D

[boaz]

By your response, we must assume you have read all 2300 pages?? :D

okay, full disclosure, I'm only up to about page 2 or 3 but :jointsmile:

here is my question for anyone. Why is there no inter-state competition for insurance?? :wtf: if there is some logical reason to protect individual States or something then that is great but what is the reasoning behind this and why wasn't it corrected in a page or two of this 2300 pages?

and prediction .. :D Tom Coburn, 2012, running mate Steve Forbes, or visa versa for the Repub nom. sorry Dems, no offense. :hippy: :rasta:

btw, check out Ron Paul's newest bill to start auditing the fed, it has support from Ron to Barry Sanders. that pretty well covers the political spectrum, reinforcing something a lot of us have been saying for a long time, liberal vs. conservative means nothing anymore. the true test is Libertarian vs. fascist. :twocents:

[the image reaper]

I don't think ramming thru a bill, without anyone READING it, during a holiday season, and BUYING a senators vote, by giving his state of Nebraska permanent free Medicaid, could be called 'forging' ... more like 'swindling' :mad: , and some people have the nerve to call the republicans the bad guys ??? ... gimme a break :wtf:

[eastbaygordo]

I'm not too happy with the way this is turning out. If the Blue Dogs can be bought off with lots of government pork did they really intend to filibuster?

What I hope is that Obama will pull a Bush and strike out all the offensive language with a signing statement and add a public option of allowing any citizen to join the same health plan the govt gives it's employees.

[ditdotter]

I don't know where the idea that government employees receive free health comes from but I can tell you it's not true. Those in the military receive health benefits along with their families and military retirees get Tri-Care but regular civil service, postal workers, congressmen, ect. purchase their coverage each month.
Each year they receive a list of carriers such as Blue Cross, Mailhandlers, and what options they offer. The employee may select the one(s) they find to best suit their needs. They may also select their payment option as well, bimonthy or monthly. The cost is lower in some cases because of the sheer numbers of employees enrolled in certain plans, but it is Not Free by any means.
In my opinion I think all American families should have the same option as the government employees. With the "public option" being what is now call Government Employee Health Insurance.