abortion

[llamaman666]

I think abortion should be 100 percent abolished. I mean it, no more. In Terri's case I view it like this, she is unrecoverable, so let her go. But a fetus has nothing to recover from! With a rape victim I see it like this. What have our parents always said? Two wrongs don't make a right.
So go through labor, buy two new maternal outfits and give the baby up for adoption if you can't care for it. Adoption is good enough, and hopefully you'll become atached and not want to give it up.
peace and love

[juggalo420]

abortion is illegal after a certain point, after the fetus can live independantly outside the womb or whatever other standards medical doctors use.

you cant tell me that something the size of a pea should be afforded the same rights as a fully develeoped human, if you do lets ban masturbation, millions of little people needlessly dying, what a shame.

[Stedric]

With a rape victim I see it like this. What have our parents always said? Two wrongs don't make a right.
Yay! So lets tell a girl who has gone through a horrible traumatic experience that she has to keep that baby that she never wanted just because that fetus' life is more valuable than hers.

You or I have no say in what a woman does with her body, you couldn't possibly understand what a women has to go through. Tell you what, go home and squeeze a football out of your urethra, then you might understand.

[weirdo79]

Add on to Stedric's point....

12 year old girl gets raped...becomes pregnant you force her to have the baby thats "half" of a man she fears and despises .Naw...that won't create severe psychological trauma.

Hell lets take the vote away from those "ornery women" we can't let them go around doing what they want with their own bodies. Damn the medical consequences and the psychological ones! We'll just force em!

Oh but wait it was illegal at one point and what did that do? Just ended up driving it underground (much like drugs and any other criminal activity that isnt murder or rape which will always be underground). So both the mother and the child can die from no inspections of medical facilities and quality of care! Yeah thats a damn good idea (for anyone who's slow that was sarcasm)

[Epic]

If you want to protest abortion in any fashion you have to commit yourself to adopting no less than 2 minority/crack addicted/AIDS ridden/retarded/FAS afflicted little miracle. If you do that, I won't agree with the point of view, but I might give it an ounce of respect. The hypocrisy of 90% of abortion protesters boggles the mind.

Sorry I think anytime the members of the anti-choice movement are even mentioned I cannot resist the urge to over react a tad. I do this because I think it's the only way to fight the batshit nonsense of the whole movement. Alot of them are like suicide bombers with their zeal. Fight fire with fire.

I know this seems a bit off topic, but the same really over zealous protesters with this Schivo shit are the exact ones eating jelly doughnuts occasionally standing up to hassle lower socio-economic women at the abortion clinics. The middle class and above women get to go to private places where they don't have to deal with it. It's batshit people who think they have the right to inflict there own beliefs on everyone else's private affairs. I'm sure if you asked any wacko wasting time in front of the hospice in Fla. what there other hobby is the answer, without fail, would be saving the miracles that are future babies.

People always play the adoption card, but a large majority of those people cant or will not adopt anyways. It takes people to raise these kids. They dont just disappear after they are born.

[Stedric]

It says in the bible that if a woman is beaten by a man and she is pregnant and her child is killed but not her, that the man has to pay 40 gold pieces (or some other bullshit amount) to the woman's father. Not that I think the Bible should ever be used as a basis of opinion, but the Right Wing nutbars so often think they are doing God's work.

[Epic]

Placing a price on human life? But god would never say anything like that *bitch&moan*

[llamaman666]

Yay! So lets tell a girl who has gone through a horrible traumatic experience that she has to keep that baby that she never wanted just because that fetus' life is more valuable than hers.


apparently you did not no that women don't die when they go through labor
:confused:
or that you can give up your baby right away for adoption.

[llamaman666]

Tell you what, go home and squeeze a football out of your urethra, then you might understand.

I think I could do that for 8 hours of my 657,000 hours that an average human lives. If you need proof come to my place and you can shove that football up and pull it down yourself.

[del...]

i'll bet you've never had a catheter inserted into your bladder before or else you wouldn't be talking footballs...


it's her body, her choice.

[Trychs]

I think that any man that says a woman should have the child when she's been raped should be raped himself. He should be made to take it up the arse and all his friends and family should be told about it cus he won't have a big belly to remind others of what happened.
Then perhaps, and only just perhaps would a man have a right to tell a woman what to do there.

[Stedric]

apparently you did not no that women don't die when they go through labor
:confused:
or that you can give up your baby right away for adoption.
I know both of those things. I also know that there are more ways to ruin a life than death. I think the life of a woman is always more valuable than the life of a fetus.

[Stedric]

I think I could do that for 8 hours of my 657,000 hours that an average human lives. If you need proof come to my place and you can shove that football up and pull it down yourself.
I'm not going anywhere near your urethra. The pain of childbirth is rated the most painful sensation on the planet, so I'd very much like to see you try to do it.

[ModernSatanist]

lets ban masturbation, millions of little people needlessly dying, what a shame.

Rofl!


Abortion is the best thing to happen since cannabis.


If it's someone elses body why should you care? You should only care about youself and those worthy enough to recieve your love.

[Edgar]

The pain of childbirth is rated the most painful sensation on the planet

Where did you hear that? I heard that being gutshot was the worst pain, but i dont really believe that either. Whatever kinda pain your in, i think it could always get worse. If i had to pick the most painful pain, I'd have to pick the squeezing of the ballz untill they are no longer solid... Just thinkin about that makes my ballz hurt. :eek:

[Bloke]

apparently you did not no [sic] that women don't die when they go through labor

Actually, about 600,000 women die during childbirth worldwide each year.
Also, quoted from UNICEF:
"For every woman who dies, approximately 30 more incur injuries, infections, and disabilities which are usually untreated and unspoken of, and which are often humiliating and painful, debilitating and lifelong."
But don't let silly things like "facts" and "figures" get in the way of your retarded diatribes. Fight to save those meat-wads!!!

[Stedric]

Where did you hear that? I heard that being gutshot was the worst pain, but i dont really believe that either. Whatever kinda pain your in, i think it could always get worse. If i had to pick the most painful pain, I'd have to pick the squeezing of the ballz untill they are no longer solid... Just thinkin about that makes my ballz hurt. :eek:
I'm just happy people like you don't make these decisions.

[Nullific]

llamaman666 you act as if after a child is concieved it simply pops out nine months later and causes a few hours of pain and then you can put it up for adoption and forget anything ever happened.
Actually, the rape victim would have to carry the thing for nine months. During pregnancy certain hormone levels change, you would know this if you've ever been around a pregnant girl. As an example, one that I know broke down and began crying because she couldnt get something open.
So couple that with the morning sickness and noticable growth and associated pains for nine months.

Now lets talk about adoption, I agree with Epic since babies don't disappear when you put them up for adoption. They go to foster homes and the like of course, a wonderful environment to be raised in knowing your parents gave you away and all. These children are taken care of by the state, the state gets the money for it from the people, the tax payers. Then the kid turns 18, hes on his own.
Then they are more likely to commit crimes and have drug problems. Essentially they become a burden to the rest of society.
http://ca.lwv.org/jjds/chap6.html

A major fear is people using abortion as birth control, they forget abortions cost money and many insurance plans do not cover it unless the developing fetus is a threat to the mother.

Contraceptives and birth control do not always work.


Childbirth is no more a miracle then eating food and a turd coming out of your ass.
We gotta come to some new ideas about life folks ok? I'm not being blase about abortion, it might be a real issue, it might not, doesn't matter to me. What matters is that if you believe in the sanctity of life then you believe it for life of all ages. That's what I hate about this child-worship syndrome going on. "Save the children! They're killing children! How many children were at Waco? They're killing children!" What does that mean? They reach a certain age and they're off your fucking love-list? Fuck your children, if that's the way you think then fuck you too. You either love all people of all ages or you shut the fuck up.

Bill Hicks

[jacquelyne]

THATS JUST GREAT FOR ME TO HEAR AT THE MOMENT.I am pregnant 6 weeks ive been on pills that are classed a type 4 for my bipolar.I stopped them 7 days ago.The doctors are pretty much telling me i should have an abortion as the baby has a rather higher chance than normal of having a neural tube defect such as spina bifida or the worst defects a child can have.Luckily i have only been on them for maybe 3 weeks while pregnant.I was already pregnant when i started them and i was told nothing about the pills.Thats now why i think my bipolar relapsed because i was maybe 2 weeks when i started them.Anyways this is the worst time of my life and you have no right to say such a thing.I have been using birth control too.I have told my mum and sister and thats all because i know when i have this child i will love it with all my heart even if there is something wrong but nobody deserves a life like that especially an innocent child.I know i will keep the baby as i have been avoiding the doctor so he does not keep on asking me to make a decision.I wouldnt give the baby up for adoption never as i will be his or her mother.But abortion is the choice of the mother and there are circumstances to where it is acceptable i think.Any man or woman who has never been through it should not really have the right to judge.

[F L E S H]

THATS JUST GREAT FOR ME TO HEAR AT THE MOMENT.I am pregnant 6 weeks ive been on pills that are classed a type 4 for my bipolar.I stopped them 7 days ago.The doctors are pretty much telling me i should have an abortion as the baby has a rather higher chance than normal of having a neural tube defect such as spina bifida or the worst defects a child can have.Luckily i have only been on them for maybe 3 weeks while pregnant.I was already pregnant when i started them and i was told nothing about the pills.Thats now why i think my bipolar relapsed because i was maybe 2 weeks when i started them.Anyways this is the worst time of my life and you have no right to say such a thing.I have been using birth control too.I have told my mum and sister and thats all because i know when i have this child i will love it with all my heart even if there is something wrong but nobody deserves a life like that especially an innocent child.I know i will keep the baby as i have been avoiding the doctor so he does not keep on asking me to make a decision.I wouldnt give the baby up for adoption never as i will be his or her mother.But abortion is the choice of the mother and there are circumstances to where it is acceptable i think.Any man or woman who has never been through it should not really have the right to judge.
Amen. You show that belief in the right to choose abortion doesn't mean every woman who gets pregnant will abort her pregnancy. We need a right to CHOOSE, not being told what to do by people who don't know what they're talking about.

[amsterdam]

abortion is a disgusting practice,but if a women can live with herself after than that is her choice.god help them.

[smokinindausa]

Yes abortion is when a "doctor" puts A FREAKIN COATHANGER IN YOUR COOZ AND STABS THE BABY WITH DEATH DRUGS. THEN THE BABY COMES OUT AS A CORPSE. FUCKING SICK. DONT HAVE SEX IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE CONSEQUENCE!

You do understand that it IS killing YOUR OWN CHILD!?!?!??

WTF FUCKING SICK!!!

[smokinindausa]

I'm not going anywhere near your urethra. The pain of childbirth is rated the most painful sensation on the planet, so I'd very much like to see you try to do it.


Dude, I guarantee you that having a red-hot piece of metal inserted into your eyeball would be at least 10 times more painfull than childbirth. How about having your leg amputated by a hacksaw? Or maybe getting shot in the stomach and slowly bleeding to death over a week? Maybe getting your flesh torn off by wild dogs might suit you?

I suggest you do a google earch on "medievil tortures"

Makes childbearth look like cake.

[Nullific]

Its not a baby, it is a mass of cells.

And its easy to say if you can't handle the consquences dont have sex or use protection but get real.
Why should the rest of society suffer because some dumb fuck teens couldn't use protection?
Why bring another resource consuming unloved human into this world when it isnt necessary?
How can you force a female to have a child?

[amsterdam]

Its not a baby, it is a mass of cells.

And its easy to say if you can't handle the consquences dont have sex or use protection but get real.
Why should the rest of society suffer because some dumb fuck teens couldn't use protection?
Why bring another resource consuming unloved human into this world when it isnt necessary?
How can you force a female to have a child?

that mass of cells turns into a human wether you like it or not.that is a fact. :confused:

[Bloke]

that mass of cells turns into a human wether you like it or not.that is a fact. :confused:

It can turn into a fucking pumpkin for all I care; you just said yourself that mass of cells is not a human. It will be! But isn't yet. And we live in an age where a woman can choose whether or not to make that so. If you want to return to an age where women can't make that choice, or vote, or leave the house showing any skin above the ankles, then start working on that time machine, Marty McFly, because that's not the world today.

[amsterdam]

i believe it is a human being,sorry i didny use the exact words you like.you shouldn't assume son,i am pro-choice.if a women can live with herself after doing that then whatever.i dont think the gov.should regulate it.all that would happen would be dumb shit hanging out in dumps giving abortions with coat hangers.all your women comments i don't know where they came from??i'm married and i will be the first to tell you that she runs this house(sad but true).she had an abortion when she was 20,hates herself for doing it,knows it was a huge mistake and is now pro-life.wierd how that works?

[Nullific]

I respect that your beliefs dont interfere with I really dont know what I should write here my post was seven minutes late.

[Bloke]

i believe it is a human being,sorry i didny use the exact words you like.you shouldn't assume son,i am pro-choice.if a women can live with herself after doing that then whatever.i dont think the gov.should regulate it.all that would happen would be dumb shit hanging out in dumps giving abortions with coat hangers.all your women comments i don't know where they came from??i'm married and i will be the first to tell you that she runs this house(sad but true).she had an abortion when she was 20,hates herself for doing it,knows it was a huge mistake and is now pro-life.wierd how that works?

Very well; it was wrong of me to lump you in with the others in this thread. I did make an assumption based upon your one comment, took it out of context, and for that I apologize.
This does not void my point, however it deflects it from your direction.

[amsterdam]

my point,hmmmmmmmm,i am pro-choice,i think abortion is disgusting,it is my opinion that once the sperm fertilizes the egg you have a human.i know lots disagree,it's just an opinion.

[amsterdam]

i am not a neo-con or very religous(i do believe in god)so i am a mut.

[smokinindausa]

Why bring another resource consuming unloved human into this world when it isnt necessary?
How can you force a female to have a child?

Dude thats just cold. All the people who are in poor countries are "rescource-consuming", they make no contiribution, they just survive. I guess wee should carpet bomb them then, eh? Why not kill the retarded and deformed at birth? Reminding you of someone? And there IS something called adoption!!
That means you can not have to take care of your baby, AND not kill it!!!! And it will have better parents!!!! OMG!!!

[Edgar]

I dont think thats at all what nullific was saying smokinindausa... Why should you bring another resource consuming unloved human into this world? Those people in Africa that you mentioned, could really use some birth control. They have so many children that they dont have the RESOURCES to feed them. Its not cold, not at all... The world IS overpopulated, and is getting more and more overpopulated by the second. Whats cold is letting the population rise to the point where you can no longer feed it.

As far as my opinions on abortion... Well I'm sorta on the fence... I believe there are many situations in which an abortion would be the better choice, however, i think too many people are using it as a sort of retroactive birth control. I think its not entirely unreasonable to hold women responsibe for their (unprotected) promiscuity, but its not reasonable to hold them responsible if the contraceptive fails, or if they were raped.

[Encatuse]

I have no problem with abortion when it's not used as simple last minute birtch control.

"I really don't want a baby." -abortion-

That's what it ends up being a terribly sad thing for the mother.

((I hate it when people terrorize women who are going to have or have had an abortion.. I assure you most have taken all the mental abuse they can handle on the situation, often from themselves.))

Sometimes abortion is just a better solution, especially when it comes to health issues.

[smokinindausa]

Those people in Africa that you mentioned, could really use some birth control. They have so many children that they dont have the RESOURCES to feed them. Its not cold, not at all... The world IS overpopulated, and is getting more and more overpopulated by the second. Whats cold is letting the population rise to the point where you can no longer feed it.

So you consider abortion to be birth control? Birth control is condoms and pills. Not sticking a needle into your developing baby and injecting him/her with poison. When an abortion happens, a human being dies.


As far as my opinions on abortion... Well I'm sorta on the fence... I believe there are many situations in which an abortion would be the better choice, however, i think too many people are using it as a sort of retroactive birth control. I think its not entirely unreasonable to hold women responsibe for their (unprotected) promiscuity, but its not reasonable to hold them responsible if the contraceptive fails, or if they were raped.

What situations would be appropiate for abortion? And how do you prove that thier contraceptive failed? That would just be her word against the state's. People need to understand that the purpose of sex is procreation. God wants you to have babies. Dont chicken out and have an abortion. There is always adoption.

[Funken Monken]

I think abortion should be 100 percent abolished. I mean it, no more. In Terri's case I view it like this, she is unrecoverable, so let her go. But a fetus has nothing to recover from! With a rape victim I see it like this. What have our parents always said? Two wrongs don't make a right.
So go through labor, buy two new maternal outfits and give the baby up for adoption if you can't care for it. Adoption is good enough, and hopefully you'll become atached and not want to give it up.
peace and love

Then you are clearly a fucking idiot. Let me make this really really clear to you:

Whether you like it or not, agree with it or not, abortion is something socienty requires, that why even when it was illeagal here in the UK it still happend (spend a few $s and go see Vera Drake). The real difference between it being and not being legal is this:

Abortion legal = foetus is terminated
Abortion illeagal = foetus and perfectly healthy woman terminated.

Making it illeagal forces it underground meaning you'll get some nasty bastard exploiting women and causnig all manner of health problems likely ening up with a woman being killed unnecessarily, if not contracting some terrible form of blood poisoning.

And you the women that opt for it - they're not stupid you know, they are aware that it really is the last viable option.

And whats Terri got to do with this? 2 seperate debates mate, so keep them that way.

Yeah, what abortion really is is not a pleasant thing, and at 22 weeks (the max limit) thats more than just a bundle of cells, but then, WHAT THE HELL DID YOU THINK IT WAS??!?!?!

Right or wrong its necessary, and if you think the world can cope with having it stopped just liek that, I'd suggest you spend less time in church and more time looking around the world at whats going on.


Perhaps you better get your balls cut off llamaman666, you know, just in case. ;)

[Funken Monken]

Yes abortion is when a "doctor" puts A FREAKIN COATHANGER IN YOUR COOZ AND STABS THE BABY WITH DEATH DRUGS. THEN THE BABY COMES OUT AS A CORPSE. FUCKING SICK. DONT HAVE SEX IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE CONSEQUENCE!

You do understand that it IS killing YOUR OWN CHILD!?!?!??

WTF FUCKING SICK!!!

Another fucking idiot. Where did you read that? THe back of a cornflake packet? Stupidity like that is why there are such issue regarding it. You really have no idea do you?


Surprised to see its mainly a male point of view being noted in here thus far. Perhaps that with women being more intelligent they are seeing the stupidity of some of the COMPLETE SHIT being said here and choosing to stay away.

[Edgar]

In response to smokinindausa:

Being raped for one, thats one situation where i think they have every right to have an abortion. Also, there are times when a woman has a defect, and it would be extremely risky/lifethreatening to bring the baby to term, because upon delivery that woman could die. I dont consider a lump of cells a human being, i just consider it the potential for a human being, and losing a potential human being i think is less tragic than losing an actual human being. I'm not really sure how far along they are willing to give abortions, but i'm against them doing it once those cells start to gain the basic structures of a human being, because there is no way to tell how aware that fetus/womb baby has become, and i think awareness is what makes life special. (all life, except for the basic machine like awareness of microscopic organisms, and bugs.)

Abortion is a extreme form of birth control, but i was actually refering to just regular pills and condoms for those poorer nations.

I'm not really sure how you would prove the contraceptives failed, but i suppose you could be tested for the pill just like any other drug tests, and you could bring in the broken/leaky condom if you still had it, then it could be analyzed to confirm or deny the presence of two seperate DNA samples.

[Edgar]

"Perhaps that with women being more intelligent"

Are you just pussy whipped or do you actually believe that crap? There are multiple intelligences, there may be certain areas where woman are more intelligent than men, and vice versa, but there is no way to definitively prove either is the more intelligent sex.

[amsterdam]

a sad issue wether you are for it or against it.

[Funken Monken]

^^^^^ It is. The fact is its unpleasant for anyone involved.

[amsterdam]

i will be interested to see how it plays out in the next 50 years?

[Funken Monken]

Just making it illeagal staight out means more people die. Cannabis is illeagal, but everyone here smokes it right? The same will happen with abortion, it just means women people love can suddenyl be preyed upon by people you really would rather have them avoid.

[amsterdam]

who knows?

[smokinindausa]

If a woman is raped, then she should give the child to adoption. Your argument that fetuses are "a mass of cells" is ludacris.


Another fucking idiot. Where did you read that? THe back of a cornflake packet? Stupidity like that is why there are such issue regarding it. You really have no idea do you?


Surprised to see its mainly a male point of view being noted in here thus far. Perhaps that with women being more intelligent they are seeing the stupidity of some of the COMPLETE SHIT being said here and choosing to stay away.
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First of all, I dont know what kind of cornflakes you have in Britain with so much profanity.... Hmmmm and about you saying that people like me are the reason no women are on this thread... well, the only people i see on this board are the people on this thread, llamaman, torog, and a bunch of other dudes. Hmmmm maybe cause it's called politics. I know that if abortion is made 100% illegal, then people will find ways to do it on the black market. Well, you could make the same argument about makeing murder or rape illegal. "ohhh, if murder is illegal, then people are gonna do it anyway!!! so lets allow murder in extrenuating circumstances!!!" Make it so if you go and abort you baby in some back alley, then it is considered murder, and she goes to jail, where she can't spread her legs and get preganant again, pumping human scum onto this earth.

[Nullific]

If you had read the previous posts in this thread you would have seen, I have covered adoption.


Now lets talk about adoption, I agree with Epic since babies don't disappear when you put them up for adoption. They go to foster homes and the like of course, a wonderful environment to be raised in knowing your parents gave you away and all. These children are taken care of by the state, the state gets the money for it from the people, the tax payers. Then the kid turns 18, hes on his own.
Then they are more likely to commit crimes and have drug problems. Essentially they become a burden to the rest of society.
http://ca.lwv.org/jjds/chap6.html

If a woman is raped, then she should give the child to adoption.So they should be forced to carry it for nine months, experiencing all the sickness and pains and mood swings...after she got raped?


Birth control is condoms and pills. Not sticking a needle into your developing baby and injecting him/her with poison. When an abortion happens, a human being dies.Heres a fun fact, the Bush administration denies funding to organizations trying to give away condoms and contraceptives in Africa.


People need to understand that the purpose of sex is procreation. God wants you to have babies. Dont chicken out and have an abortion. There is always adoption.Thats just hilarious. Purpose of sex procreation, please. YOU must understand that not everyone believes in your god, the US is not a theocracy or at least is not supposed to be.

Note I said why bring another resource consuming unloved human into the world, not another. I said nothing of the ones already with us, because in order for us to help them we need to stop reproducing.

[amsterdam]

aids infection in africa last yeae was lower than in previous years according to the world health organazation

[Edgar]

"Your argument that fetuses are "a mass of cells" is ludacris. "

I didn't say that, reread post. I was saying that at a point in time before its a fetus, its just a mass of cells with the potential to become a fetus/human being.


"If a woman is raped, then she should give the child to adoption."

Its not an easy thing for her to bring that child to term, and deliver it, and why should she have to? They do tests right away after a rape is reported, so they'd know if she was pregnant, and they could terminate the pregnancy right away, before it becomes a fetus.

[jacquelyne]

Now thats just wrong.You will never have a baby inside you.If i was raped and fell pregnant i really do not know what i would do.If you got raped by a big fat dirty sick old man would you really want something from him inside you ? Im sure u will say yes because you a man so u never have to worry in the first place.
If a woman is raped, then she should give the child to adoption. Your argument that fetuses are "a mass of cells" is ludacris.



First of all, I dont know what kind of cornflakes you have in Britain with so much profanity.... Hmmmm and about you saying that people like me are the reason no women are on this thread... well, the only people i see on this board are the people on this thread, llamaman, torog, and a bunch of other dudes. Hmmmm maybe cause it's called politics. I know that if abortion is made 100% illegal, then people will find ways to do it on the black market. Well, you could make the same argument about makeing murder or rape illegal. "ohhh, if murder is illegal, then people are gonna do it anyway!!! so lets allow murder in extrenuating circumstances!!!" Make it so if you go and abort you baby in some back alley, then it is considered murder, and she goes to jail, where she can't spread her legs and get preganant again, pumping human scum onto this earth.

[weirdo79]

Here here Jacq ! good call. The irony is smokin you just made the same arguement prohibitionists make against cannabis legalization. "if we legalize cannabis why dont we just legalize rape and murder!" they're completely different issues. Also murder in extenuating circumstances is already legal in many states, ever heard of trespassing laws and "self defense" defense in court when the perpetrator had no weapon.

[jacquelyne]

thats true but in this country its hard to get away with self defence even if someone is robbing your home in the middle of the night armed.If you use a weapon on them they will sue you and its bad but the perputrator gets in less trouble than the person protecting there home alot of the time.I have even heard of men breaking in and braking an arm or leg on the way out and then they sue the homeowner for having unsafe windows or driveway or whatever.It makes me sick that we cant defend ourselves in our own home when we are being invaded.If i had a gun and someone came into my house in themiddle of the night i would use it on them.Not kill them just a few shots in both there kneecaps so they cant walk for a while.If i did that i would probably go to jail just for having a firearm and he would be happy and rich for the rest of his life with the compensation he would recieve.WRONG WRONG WRONG...

[Edgar]

yeah, very wrong.

[smokinindausa]

Now I remeber why arguing about abortion is bad... noone ever gets anywhere and it just degenerates into "you're wrong, no U are!"

BTW, shooting someone in the kneecaps cripples them for life. That would be my choice too. Maybe a shell in the stomach

[weirdo79]

Ooh I like the kneecap idea especially actually the stomach is just as good either crapping through a tube or hobbling for life. Both excellent choices. And, no one can accuse you of murder "I was aiming for his knee I hit his knee its not attempted murder your honour I was simply protecting my family" Even a liberal judge has to admit that makes sense.

[Funken Monken]

my point,hmmmmmmmm,i am pro-choice,i think abortion is disgusting,it is my opinion that once the sperm fertilizes the egg you have a human.i know lots disagree,it's just an opinion.

Sorry mate, but in the thread RE republicans /democrats, you state you are pro life. http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=15242

Whats it to be?

[amsterdam]

pro choice as always.hard to believe a big bush supporter and republican is pro-choice?

[F L E S H]

pro choice as always.hard to believe a big bush supporter and republican is pro-choice?
Yes. Yes it is. What with Republicans' "moral superiority" and all... Happy to see not all Republicans are like that, but even you must admit that the majority of them are...

[amsterdam]

Yes. Yes it is. What with Republicans' "moral superiority" and all... Happy to see not all Republicans are like that, but even you must admit that the majority of them are...



i do agree but i wouldnt say the majority are.you would be suprised.it's just the whacko ones that get the media's attention. :cool:

[amsterdam]

i am also a republican who is for gay marriage.i think i will start my own political party.no more red and blue,we will be black.

[llamaman666]

and 2 last things














I can't beleive your inability to notice that.........










I posted this on April Fools!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA I can't beleive no one figured that out. I am for gay rights, did you think I would be against abortion?
haha, sorry for the hate. I'm really pro choice ;)
LOL

[jacquelyne]

A six week old foetus.

[Edgar]

poor little bugger

[amsterdam]

even looks like a small child to me.sad.

[smokinindausa]

Well it is a small child

[Stedric]

A six week old foetus.
No offense but that looks like a big orange blob to me, not a small child. And even if it did look like one, I don't think that would really contribute to the argument.

[Cennar]

If you want to protest abortion in any fashion you have to commit yourself to adopting no less than 2 minority/crack addicted/AIDS ridden/retarded/FAS afflicted little miracle. If you do that, I won't agree with the point of view, but I might give it an ounce of respect. The hypocrisy of 90% of abortion protesters boggles the mind.


you know what boggles my mind, prolifers who kill doctors for preforming abortions. that and the girl who choked me when i told her I reserve that point of vew for woman to have. that kind of thing hurts my head.

[Stedric]

I posted this on April Fools!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA I can't beleive no one figured that out. I am for gay rights, did you think I would be against abortion?
haha, sorry for the hate. I'm really pro choice
Alright buddy I get it, glad to hear that you're not as mind bogglingly stupid as you first came off as. That being said I don't think that this was a very funny joke, a lot of women go through that situation and its an awful thing to go through.

[powair]

I am completely pro-choice! I've never had one but I'd seriously consider it.

[Nullific]

Human, monkey, pig, rat...the fetuses all look alike.

[Mojavpa]

In early stages of pregnancy, the fetus even looks reptile embryos. This is one of the strongest arguments for evolution. Anyway, I personally dont think a fetus is a human being, just as seeds arent plants and an acorn isnt a tree, even though it will become one if it is provided with a suitable environment and nutrients.

[Edgar]

I happen to care for almost all life, be it human, monkey, pig, reptile or yes, even rat. No creature that complex, is worthless.

[smokinindausa]

Why not give the babies that would have died to a secret military research lab? Ya know, create some kind of battle-android from the unwanted fetuses of the scum of the country. That way they would finnaly have a use, other than polluting the planet with more human scum!

[Nullific]

First you pro-lifers want to force rape victims to carry and give birth and now you want to use fetal-andriods to start more wars?!

[Edgar]

Hell yeah, im all for the fetal androids. =P

[F L E S H]

Human, monkey, pig, rat...the fetuses all look alike.
True. Every foetus that develops is in fact re-enacting evolution on it's own, from a single cell, to a little blob, to a little fish (complete wih gills), to a little reptile, to a monkey with a tail, to finally become human near birth.

That'll get pro-lifers' dander up :D

[Mojavpa]

True. Every foetus that develops is in fact re-enacting evolution on it's own, from a single cell, to a little blob, to a little fish (complete wih gills), to a little reptile, to a monkey with a tail, to finally become human near birth.

That'll get pro-lifers' dander up :D

I'm not a pro-lifer, and I dont believe fetuses are human, but one could say the difference is that the genes in the fetus are already programmed to make humans from the moment of conception, and thats why stem cells from human fetuses are more useful for research than stem cells from other animals.