growing and breeding

[deaner]

I wanted to start a log, to help me become more organized and hopefully get some advice and shit with my breeding plans. I have the following strains: white Russian, jack herer, white widow, el niño, cytral, and a local strain that's gonna stay nameless. My only male prospects are 8 unsexed power plants from nirvana. I plan to cross all my females with my best male PPP and see what happens. I've never bred before. All my ladies are from clones i gathered except the el niño. My jack is the fast finishing high yeilding pheno, and my best overall bud, my best yeilder. I grow in soil, organically and very simple. I will get some pics of my current crop soon. I want advice ok breeding, but not interested in big words or shit too complicated for a dumb old pothead like me.

[oldmac]

Hey deaner,

Let me be the first to say I am very interested in your breeding plans, and look forward to your grow log. I also think that the PPP is a great daddy to use, especially against the WW and WRussian. The PPP with the JackH I will be very curious to see, for various reasons.

Good luck, good growing and look forward to good postings.

[phatsesh101]

looks good ill watch

it looks as though you might be sacrificing quality for quantity

are you gonna breed beyond first generation to isolate characteristics?

[deaner]

I'm hoping not to lose quality, I've heard PPP is solid smoke and I hope for some "hybrid vigor" and finding some new superfreak mommy that will be a nice balance of quality and yeild. My undestanding is that there will be alot of varience in the first generation, and if I just get a mom and clone her the only variation would come from future breeding (?) so the need to stabilize a strain is only when trying to create uniformity right, and I'm after a freak, I can stabilize her later if I want to. I just want a great clone mom. Creating a clone only strain is what I'm doing correct?

The jack cross is probably unnecessary, she's already great.
The Russian is getting old, too many generations, and the yeild is not great.
It's killer bud, but it'd be nice to have a higher yeilding version.
The widow I expect to be a winner, just a feeling.
I want to pollinate one or two branches of a few ladies, but it'll be a future crop, the next one, my potential males are still only 4" tall). right now I have 15 Russians, 11 jack, 4 el niño and 4 widows (from female seed, not my mommy) blooming. There should be more jack in there though, it's divine and yeilds great.

[deaner]

I also have b52, top44, and chiesel beans. The chiesel are feminized from barnies but the rest are regular from nirvana. So when my numbers are ok I will start another strain, probably chiesel because I used to grow cheese and it was such a great smoke.

[crabbyback]

Hey deaner,

Let me be the first to say I am very interested in your breeding plans, and look forward to your grow log. I also think that the PPP is a great daddy to use, especially against the WW and WRussian. The PPP with the JackH I will be very curious to see, for various reasons.

Good luck, good growing and look forward to good postings.
O/T Hey OM:s3:, I'm sorry, I really should have known better. :o end O/T
If you don't mind oldmac, could you list the reasons you would think PPP would work well as the male with these females? I usually don't hang in the breeding forums.


I'm hoping not to lose quality, I've heard PPP is solid smoke and I hope for some "hybrid vigor" and finding some new superfreak mommy that will be a nice balance of quality and yeild. My undestanding is that there will be alot of varience in the first generation, and if I just get a mom and clone her the only variation would come from future breeding (?) so the need to stabilize a strain is only when trying to create uniformity right, and I'm after a freak, I can stabilize her later if I want to. I just want a great clone mom. Creating a clone only strain is what I'm doing correct?

The jack cross is probably unnecessary, she's already great.
The Russian is getting old, too many generations, and the yeild is not great.
It's killer bud, but it'd be nice to have a higher yeilding version.
The widow I expect to be a winner, just a feeling.
I want to pollinate one or two branches of a few ladies, but it'll be a future crop, the next one, my potential males are still only 4" tall). right now I have 15 Russians, 11 jack, 4 el niño and 4 widows (from female seed, not my mommy) blooming. There should be more jack in there though, it's divine and yeilds great.

I have a PPP mother and I've grown some fem'ed PPPs out. Stayed fairly compact with a better than avg. yield and a nice smoke, not too couchlock.

I also have WW from Flying Dutchman. OMG, everyone I know loves this smoke. She's a big leafy monster but takes to training nicely. Very, very sensitive to nutes. It's my best yielding and strongest strain so far. However, I seems to have an odd "problem" with the mom I have. I don't like the smell when its blooming and can't tolerate the taste of the smoke until 60+ days of curing. After that, its awesome. <sigh, its always something)

Interesting thread. Good luck with your breeding efforts!

[oldmac]

Crabbyback,
I also have some PPP (currently 2 moms) that I put into rotation in my personal grow. Like you I have found it to be excellent producer with good quailities mainly a good daytime imbide with a good up head. Depending on which original seed vendor it came from it is claimed to be either a pure sativa (I tend to doubt that) or heavily sativa dominate. Putting it with a short heavy indica such as WW or Wruskie I think it could yield a short bushy prodigy that has the potential for lots of THC. On the other hand JH is a heavy producer and is sativa dominate, together (w/PPP) it may wind up much larger then, less branchy and may tend to flower too long or veg when you think it should flower.

Deaner seems to realize he's not going to get a stable cross and will have to sort out a bunch of beans to find the pheno of his dreams. Not critical if you find and then use it to clone. To paraphase ImageReaper; sling some pollen, hope the best and pray for hybred vigor.

BTW deaner, I have found it easiest to cover the top cola with a plastic bag then pollenate the rest of the plant. After a day or so I wet down the entire plant and remove the plastic bag. When ready to harvest I cut main cola off (for me) and harvest the rest for seeds.

CB, see me on my thread selecting a mother, we can talk further; hope you don't mind my quote of yours.;)

[phatsesh101]

the first generation is usually very uniform and has the most vigor, usually nothing special comes from this gen, lucky image

the second gen is the varience gen with the extremes of each strain and less vigor where you isolate your desired traits

3 is where you start looking for your plant or continue inbreeding for traits but bewarey of climtization and the degredation thc

[deaner]

When discussing generations I'm assuming this is male/female creating seed not the clones. If I get a good mom 1st gen then it'll always carry it's wild mating potential, but if I stabalize it, and cross it with something else, won't I still be getting the same, a stable 1stgeneration then unstable. I'm still thinking for my purposes first generation is fine and dandy. I'm after moms for cloning not do much breeding further. But then I probably will have different goals by then. It's be nice to have a huge stock of good stable beans for putting away for a rainy day. I think by getting 1st gen clones out I will be enhancing the local smoke quality and getting new genes into the circles of good growers around here.

[phatsesh101]

by releasing and breeding 1st gen seeds youl probly ruin the good genetics in the area.

its fun have fun hope you get what your looking for:thumbsup:

[deaner]

heres few pics
some jack herer, el nino, white russians about a week in flower
jack herer solo
el ninos big leaves
the russian nug i smoked
a mystery strain

[michaelpeg]

I think it would be great to cross all those strains with PPP. I dont think you would be sacrificing quality for quantity at all. I didnt think PPP was gonna be that great quality wise but but the buds were frosty as hell and a great smoke. Not to mention some purple in them.

[deaner]

so I fired up a 2nd 1000k and spread em out. They really look good especially the jack. I use the 1000 watt full spectrum bulbs, 600hps/400mh. They are great, especially in the opening stages of bloom, alot less stress it seems, and it seems like they open up faster. If u are using 1000k I'd highly recommend these. I now have 34 (should be 36) in 3 gallon squares, it'll fill up nicely in there. Actually there's 37, 3 gotta get chopped in a few days.

My mothers were struggling but after the repot, after a few days I trimmed the lower third and sprayed a lil water on them and they look happy again.

Jack herer loves to bloom.

[deaner]

I'm hoping for a little help:
I repotted the moms into 2 gallon pots, about a 3:1 mix of blackgold organic to perlite, they look happy. But I think I need to supplement the soil when they move up to 4 or 5 gallon buckets. I know after a month in there they will be depleted and will have been stressed from the cloning. What I'm wondering is what if anything I should add to the soil because I wanna keep them in those containers for a while. I thought rocks or hydrotonon the bottom for drainage, and same or mulch on top, but not sure what else, I'm afraid of nitrogen rich stuff like manure with pests.. Thoughts? And is there anything I should add to the top of the soil now before topping with hydroton or mulch? I've had problems with my moms past about 2-3 months, after getting into 5 gallon buckets with my usual mix of bg/perlite.

[deaner]

My plans are as dead as the plants are, my heart is broken but life rolls on, always keep some seeds stashed everyone. I'm checking out of here for a while.